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    new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    name - Fixer
    side - mafia/support
    objective - see the mafia win
    abilities - controls 1 dead persons vote during day trial
    (can control mayor - on/off) default on
    (can not reuse the same person's vote more than once - on/off) default on


    if the mayor has not revealed and died his vote still counts as 1
    if mayor did reveal and then died, fixer can control mayors vote
    dual fixers can not use the same person (or make their vote count for 2)

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    only the dead person would vote, not the fixer himself. so it would just be a dead person voting. or the fixer could team up and vote the same target, or vote for someone else.

    fixer gets a vote of 1 to do with what he pleases

    fixer controls his target, and forces that dead person to vote for whoever he wants him too.

    doesnt have to do both at the same time

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    does fixer have to visit the very dead person to make it happen?

    town would be dumb to allow dead person vote to count though. unless it is secret bulletin
    When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
    When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
    They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
    Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
    ---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by louiswill View Post
    does fixer have to visit the very dead person to make it happen?

    town would be dumb to allow dead person vote to count though. unless it is secret bulletin
    yes the fixer would visit the dead the night before.

    and town doesnt really have a say. fixer has active control during the voting phase. he could make a dead person vote for anyone he choses as soon as the timer starts, or as late as 2seconds left to put someone up.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    if mayor did reveal and then died, fixer can control mayors vote
    Overpowered
    Spoiler : Orpz FM History :

    FM17 - Won, FM18 - Won, FM19 - Won ,FM20 - Loss, FM21 - Won, MVP, FM22 - Host Canceled, FM23 - Won, FM24 - Hosted, FM25 - Won, FM26 - Loss

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    only in certain situations. not to mention the - can or can not control mayor option.

    it wouldnt be any more OP than a detection immune framer
    immune framer isnt oped. its like saying immune gf is oped.

    ivest check immune framer: shows cit and cit np, framer/gf/jester/spy alert

    spy can be easily proven (unless someone tured off the pm system)
    jester is 50/50 shot at being it if its even possible
    gf/famer more likely

    framer immune is normal

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    immune framer isnt oped. its like saying immune gf is oped.

    ivest check immune framer: shows cit and cit np, framer/gf/jester/spy alert

    spy can be easily proven (unless someone tured off the pm system)
    jester is 50/50 shot at being it if its even possible
    gf/famer more likely

    framer immune is normal

    and fixer for the first 5 days is almost useless cuz mafia dont have majority vote

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    and fixer for the first 5 days is almost useless cuz mafia dont have majority vote
    they pretty much do because of how trolly some games become. if mayor dies n1 and was revealed and fixer can use it, then its completely broken. yes you said there option to hav ti off but for those who dont turn it off and out mayor in. it basicly, mayor need to be able to be healed or have a bg. its just a bad role overall and just no

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    they pretty much do because of how trolly some games become. if mayor dies n1 and was revealed and fixer can use it, then its completely broken. yes you said there option to hav ti off but for those who dont turn it off and out mayor in. it basicly, mayor need to be able to be healed or have a bg. its just a bad role overall and just no

    its not bad at all. framer destroys sheriff, fixer doesnt screw over anyone. if mayor plays it right he auto wins and carries the town hence the can not be healed option, blackmailer destroys investigative roles (you say he can spam vote on 1 person, i say invest hasnt been confirmed yet and he only recently claimed) consig finds a bg? well, bg is dead next night.



    and what about cultist mayor vote?


    fixer would be no different. and the other option i proposed can only use target once? what if that was a default built in portion to the role


    dont auto reject this role just cuz you guys think its OP at the moment, lets work on it and make it better

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    its not bad at all. framer destroys sheriff, fixer doesnt screw over anyone. if mayor plays it right he auto wins and carries the town hence the can not be healed option, blackmailer destroys investigative roles (you say he can spam vote on 1 person, i say invest hasnt been confirmed yet and he only recently claimed) consig finds a bg? well, bg is dead next night.

    well the same can be said for immune gf then saying framer immune oped is like saying gf immune oped. as for mayor carrying town, it take one hit to kill mayor if he isnt doced/bg doesnt matter if hes a god-like player the moment he dies its all for naught

    and what about cultist mayor vote?

    they have option for that, and also mayor is still alive at that point hes just now cult aligned and when cult exist ppl tend to get at mayor quickly

    fixer would be no different. and the other option i proposed can only use target once? what if that was a default built in portion to the role

    still oped. the moment consig find a good role to lynch they do that. especially if they can use a mayor power. consig finds jailor, jailor confirmed, "borrows" dead mayor votes and lynch jailor.

    dont auto reject this role just cuz you guys think its OP at the moment, lets work on it and make it better

    its oped, we show you the faults, now you need to fix it, we dont care enough about this role to find a fixing ourself. if you want it so bad find a way to make it balaenced
    answered

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    then hurray, mayor died cuz of fail town, and jailor was the one role mafia got to remove via fixer, rest of the game fixer has to work for his lynches.

    vigi - i randomly shot the janitor and the framer yay GG town wins!!!

    with the options i suggested for on/off its more than enuf to make it just the right power.
    if he can only control mayor once, he can only remove 1 player of his chosing, assuming maf reveal themselves and also add their votes to the dead mayor + fixer. assuming all maf are alive, they would have a max of 7 votes. not to mention if its late game maf can tag team vote anyway and just wait a night to kill and now win the 3-2 votes.

    if there are 8 people left, and fixer takes a dead mayor they remove 1 player, and assert to the whole town that these 3 voting with the dead person are in fact maf and town has open season on maf after that day. if its any sooner than 8 players fixer + mayor one time effect is suicide for fixer.

    assuming mayor has revealed, doc/bg failed to heal him and ended up dead, in addition to fixer being able to use mayors vote. then this would have a single OP situation in favor of fixer/mafia.

    aside from mayor, this role is not OP.

    so if mayors vote were to count for 1 anyway revealed or not revealed, this role would be totaly fine if implemented.

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    overall fixer could change the 3-3 tie auto maf win, into a 3-5 maf get a lynch today revealing themselves as maf via their group vote, and then kill someone at night and turn it into a 3-3 tie. assuming no doc heal/bg kill /vig/ veteran kill. and town would need neut killer to help the town out for town to win, scenario.

    but that already happens at 7 players with 3 mafia around.

    what it all comes down to is who controls the votes late game with few players.
    Last edited by kyle1234513; March 24th, 2013 at 05:17 PM.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    You do know that Mafia already has a voting block, right? And an absurdly detailed opening piece of information about roles to vote intelligently with, right? They also don't have the issue of a Mafia trying to mess up all the information. Their voting power is incredible. More votes is a terrible idea.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    the only op scenario is if fixer can permanently control a revealed mayor and his vote is still mayor like. lots of counters to this, if you think that this is so black then just make it a default option for either all votes to be 1, or for only use the same person once.


    fixers ability is to vote annon like, and be just a little extra push against someone on the stand, moreso than forcing late game wins.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    overall fixer could change the 3-3 tie auto maf win, into a 3-5 maf get a lynch today revealing themselves as maf via their group vote, and then kill someone at night and turn it into a 3-3 tie. assuming no doc heal/bg kill /vig/ veteran kill. and town would need neut killer to help the town out for town to win, scenario.
    thats what makes it oped. in 3v5 town favored. town should win. to have fixer it makes its imballanced

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    thats what makes it oped. in 3v5 town favored. town should win. to have fixer it makes its imballanced
    and with a janitor around maf can claim anything on the stand, towns only hope against a janitor is for an investigative role to catch them in the act.

    not to mention the presence of mayor even being there. and dead at this point. the games drasticly affected by fixer + mayor combo would be less than 1/30.

    and in the 3/5 scenario after the "guaranteed lynch via fixer" any town killer/bus driver/doctor can easily remedy that cuz maf have been labled.

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    Re: new mafia sided support role - Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    and with a janitor around maf can claim anything on the stand, towns only hope against a janitor is for an investigative role to catch them in the act.

    not to mention the presence of mayor even being there. and dead at this point. the games drasticly affected by fixer + mayor combo would be less than 1/30.

    and in the 3/5 scenario after the "guaranteed lynch via fixer" any town killer/bus driver/doctor can easily remedy that cuz maf have been labled.
    no, most roles can be testified.

    Town is not helpless against janitor.
    When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
    When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
    They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
    Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
    ---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.

 

 

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