MFM - The Evil Neutrals

[AppleyNO]

I felt that a fun game the role Compendium was needed ;)
I also put this here a long time before the next poll to get some good feedback as to what is in my head
*Insert some sort of RP here*

The Role list(20 players)

Hidden Killing Neutral
Hidden Evil Neutral
Hidden Benign Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Mayor
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Hidden Any

Note, I will add some changes to a few roles when I create the role cards.
Note Number 2, Killing Neutrals are neutrals that can kill every night. Some Evil neutrals can kill, but not every night.

Spoiler : Possible Roles :

Possible Killing Neutral: Spree Killer, Serial Killer, Devourer, Roulette Master
Possible Evil Neutral: Chairman, Rebel Leader, Soul Thief, Succubus, Truth Seeker
Possible Benign Neutral: Student, Ninja, Journalist, Reality Warper
Possible Neutral: See above^
Possible Town Roles: Sheriff, Investigator, Gunsmith, Medical Student/Traumatized Surgeon/Doctor, Architect, Dreamer, Lookout, Detective, Astrologer, Gypsy Lady
Possible Mafia Roles: Mafioso, Framer, Grave Robber, Ventriloquist, Actress, Blackmailer
Possible Hidden Any: Cannot become Killing Neutral.

Spoiler : Win Conditions :

The Town must kill the Killing Neutral, the Evil Neutral, and the Mafia.
The Mafia must kill the Killing Neutral, the Evil Neutral, and the Town.
The Evil Neutral has his own separate win condition, if he reaches them, everyone else loses.
The Killing Neutral must kill the Evil Neutral, the Mafia, the Town, and the Benign Neutral.
The Benign Neutral must live to see the Evil Neutral and the Killing Neutral die.

Spoiler : Role Cards :

Spoiler : Killing Neutral :

Spoiler : Spree Killer :

You are a Spree Killer!

You can visit someone at night, killing everyone who visits them, and if they do not do an action, you kill them as well.
If you kill more that one person, you have to wait a night before you can kill again.
You must kill everyone.
You are immune at night.

Spoiler : Serial Killer :

You are a Serial Killer!

You can visit someone at night, killing them.
You must kill everyone.
You are immune at night.

Spoiler : Devourer :

You are a Devourer!

You can ingest(Jail) someone at night.
You can kill them, kill+clean them, or let them go.
This pierces all night immunity, healing, and vesting.
You have three cleanings.
You must kill everyone.
You are immune at night.

Spoiler : Roulette Master :

You are a Roulette Master!

You will pick two targets.
They will have a night chat with you.
They can talk to each other.
They will play Russian Roulette. The loser dies. This pierces healing and immunity.
You will pick how many chambers(Limit 24) and where the bullet is. If no one dies from the Roulette, they both die.
This is a roleblock.
You must kill everyone.
You are immune at night.

Spoiler : Evil Neutral :

Spoiler : Chairman :

You are the Chairman!

You are a unique role.
Every night, you can "invite" someone to become a member of your secret club, or you can add a bot that is controlled by you.
Your club members do not lose their alignment or abilities.
Your club members are against you.
You win win the majority of the remaining players are in your club.

Spoiler : Rebel Leader :

You are the Rebel Leader!

You are a unique role.
Every night until you get three rebels, you try can recruit a citizen at night.
Once you get three Rebels, you, or a Rebel if you die, can perform a kill every night.
You win once everyone who isn't a Rebel is dead.

Spoiler : Soul Thief :

You are a Soul Thief!

You can try to steal the the night action of someone.
If you are successful, they will not be notified of anything, but they cannot do night actions.
You will be told of that night action.
If you haven't used a night action, you can surrender and pick again.
You can use their night action. If you do, you must keep this night action for the entire game.
If you try to steal from a Killing Neutral or someone who does not have a night action, you will fail.
If you die, the night action will be given back to the player you stole from.
Be the last person standing.

Spoiler : Succubus :

You are a Succubus!

You can choose someone to roleblock and take their soul.
You may only do this once per person.
You have one auto vest.
If you have five souls, you may perform ONE day kill.
You must have all the remaining players souls to win.

Spoiler : Truth Seeker :

You are a Truth Seeker!

You can choose a target. You will have to guess if they will stay at home or who they will visit.
If you are incorrect, you will be informed of who your target visit, if any.
If you are correct, your target will die.
You must be correct 3 times to win.

Spoiler : Benign Neutral :

Spoiler : Student :

You are a Student!

You can choose a mentor.
You will gain a night chat with him.
If he dies, you will become that role.
If you choose a Killing Neutral or an Evil Neutral, you will be killed.
Survive long enough to see the Killing and Evil Neutral die, or if you pick a mentor, you will get their win conditions.

Spoiler : Ninja :

You are a Ninja!

Each night, you can steal the night abilities of a person.
When you succesfully steal an ability from your target, their night ability will be permanently added to your command list.
The following nights, you can choose either to steal again or use one of your newly inherited abilities.
Survive long enough to see the Killing and Evil Neutrals die.

Spoiler : Journalist :

You are a Journalist!

You can send an interview with questions to whoever you want.
You can also send an editorial.
You cannot see the interview before it is published.
Survive long enough to see the Killing and Evil Neutrals die.

Spoiler : Reality Warper :

You are a Reality Warper!

At night, you may choose a target, that person will have all actions that happen to him reflected back.
For Example: You warp: SK A, Sheriff B and Mafioso C visit SK A. Sheriff B will see him as NS and Mafioso C will shoot himself.
You cannot Warp yourself.
You can Warp every other night.
Survive long enough to see the Killing and Evil Neutrals die.

Spoiler : Town :

Spoiler : Citizen :

You are a Citizen!

You have the power in the vote!
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Mayor :

You are the Mayor!

You can PM me to reveal.
You get four votes.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Sheriff :

You are a Sheriff!

You can check one person at night to see if they are a Mafia member, Killing Neutral, or Evil Neutral.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Investigator :

You are an Investigator!

You can investigate someone at night for their invest pairings.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Gunsmith :

You are a Gunsmith!

You can craft and give someone a gun at night. They can use it with their(if any) night actions.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Doctor and Variants :

You are a Doctor!

You can choose to heal someone at night.
If you are a medical student, you have a 50% chance to roleblock them instead of healing them.
If you are a Traumatized Surgeon, you will kill yourself after your second successful heal.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Architect :

You are an Architect!

You can choose two players to talk to at night. They will talk to each other and you.
They will not know who you are, but they will know who each other are.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Dreamer :

You are a Dreamer!

At night, you can choose to Dream.
The following Day, you will get the names of 6 people, one of these people are not town.
You must wait one night to dream again.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Lookout :

You are a Lookout!

At night, you may choose a target to lookout on.
You will be told of everyone who visits your target.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Detective :

You are a Detective!

At night, you may choose a target to follow.
You will be told of who your target visits, if any.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Astrologer :

You are an Astrologer!

At night, you will be told of how many towns, Killing Neutrals, Evil Neutrals, Benign Neutrals, and Mafia there are.
You will also be told of who I think is winning.
Rebels count toward Evil Neutral,but Club members don't.
See that the Killing and Evil Neutrals, along with the mafia, are dead.

Spoiler : Gypsy Lady :

You are a Gypsy Lady!

At night, you will choose a Hidden role to reveal on the role list.
The town will be told of this.
You may only reveal three roles.

Spoiler : Mafia :

Spoiler : Mafioso :

You are a Mafioso!

You can kill someone at night.
You can talk with the mafia at night.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Framer :

You are a Framer!

You can frame someone, making them look non-town to sheriffs, messing with that Town PR result, and picking your own invest pairings.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Grave Robber :

You are a Grave Robber!


Each night you may choose to visit a dead players body and steal one of their actions to use later.
You can only use an ability once.
You may only complete 3 successful steals.
If you choose to use an ability you have stolen, you will not be able to visit a grave that evening.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Ventriloquist :

You are a Ventriloquist!


You will have access to three accounts.
One will be the Ventriloquist and two will be puppets.
The puppets cannot do anything except vote.
The puppets die if the Ventriloquist dies.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Actress :

You are an Actress!

You can act as someone at night.
If you die, your role will be whoever you acted as last.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Blackmailer :

You are a Blackmailer!


You can Blackmail a target, only allowing someone to post the phrase "I am blackmailed." once.
Your target can only vote once.
You must kill the Killing and Evil Neutrals, and silence the Town.

Spoiler : Order of Operations :

1.Roulette Master
2.Student finds Mentor
3.Jailing
4.Architect
5.Warping
6.Med Student Roleblock
7.Succubus Roleblocking
8.Truth Seeker kill
9.Lookout
10.Detective
11.Stealing roles(Prevents person from using their action if they are 11 and below)[Soul Thief]
12.All Mafia night actions
13.All Kills
14.Other Neutral actions
15.Town night actions
16.Release from jails and night chats

Spoiler : Rules :

No PMs or Rep messages
Anon accounts will be used. Do not post outside of the game thread with them.
Vote to lynch in Red
Ask questions in Green
If you are in Roulette Master/Jail/Architect chat you are locked out of all other night chats.
I have a strict no-lurker policy, if I think you are hurting the game, you are replaced.
We start Day 0, With a Forced Lynch. Days are 48 hours and Nights are 24.

Spoiler : Invest Pairings :

Mayor/Mafioso/Citizen/Roulette Master/Rebel Leader
Chairman/Ninja/Investigator/Framer
Student/Doctor/Serial Killer/Blackmailer
Devourer/Architect/Ventriloquist/Puppet/Detective
Gunsmith/Reality Warper/Truth Seeker
Soul Thief/Journalist/Lookout/Actress
Sheriff/Spree Killer/Succubus/Gypsy Lady
Astrologer/Dreamer/Grave Robber

[Fatalis]

Looks great! although how exactly are you gonna do the roulette

[Jr4life24]

Looks great! although how exactly are you gonna do the roulette

I would assume with night chats. Which you forget to have :P

[Fatalis]

I would assume with night chats. Which you forget to have :P

Poor Glip
But my question meant to say like how will the ROULETTE PROCEDURE happen? Will it be like the one in sc2? How will you decide the shots and stuff

[AppleyNO]

Please give me a few more minutes while I try and finish the role cards =)

[AppleyNO]

Poor Glip
But my question meant to say like how will the ROULETTE PROCEDURE happen? Will it be like the one in sc2? How will you decide the shots and stuff

The RM will tell me which chamber has the bullet and how many chambers.
RM role card updated to reflect this.

[AppleyNO]

So what do you guys think? I'm putting the finishing touches on now.

[AppleyNO]

Well??? Should I add more Mafia, more neuts? More town?? IDK

Should I leave it as it is????

[creedkingsx]

My intrigued-peen has been intrigued.

[creedkingsx]

As for what to do with it... Leave that to Borkbot since it is his job :P
Iunno what to personally

[BorkBot]

Change the rule on the blackmailer so that the target can only say "I am blackmailed." once, else it can still be used to communicate other information by voting/unvoting him.

As it stands in your order of operation, your medical student can only roleblock town players. Is this intended? Also, does the med student's action alternate each night or is it completely random 50:50?

Every night until you get three members, you try can recruit a citizen at night.
Once you get three Rebels, you, or a Rebel if you die, can perform a kill every night.
You win once everyone who isn't a Rebel is dead.

3 members or 3 rebels? It's not the same thing, as 3 rebels would make 4 members (including the leader).

Truth Seeker is completely impossible to win as. Should be 3 correct predictions max and he should go before killing roles so he can protect himself from being shot if he guesses correctly. Back when I was Truth Seeker I also suggested that the TS sees who his target did visit (like detective track) if his prediction was wrong, so he at least gets some information, is able to fake claim detective and will know if someone is capable of visiting people at all or not. The abundance of citizens makes this a really tough role to play as.

Does the Ninja's target lose his ability? If yes, does their role change?

Since the "puppet" is not informed of the theft from a Soul Thief, if their role would normally get any feedback from their own action and they submit an action anyway, they would still know that they have had their soul stolen. Does anything special happen if the Soul Thief's "puppet" dies? Do they flip their own role? Does the Soul Thief still get to use their action?


NOTE: I have no administration rights to member accounts, so I can't support anon accounts. You'd have to contact a super mod or site administrator if anything goes wrong with those accounts or if you want to have them deleted after the game. Ideally, don't use them if you don't have to.

[AppleyNO]

Change the rule on the blackmailer so that the target can only say "I am blackmailed." once, else it can still be used to communicate other information by voting/unvoting him.
Updated.

As it stands in your order of operation, your medical student can only roleblock town players. Is this intended? Also, does the med student's action alternate each night or is it completely random 50:50?
Not Intended. Updated. Always random.

3 members or 3 rebels? It's not the same thing, as 3 rebels would make 4 members (including the leader).
Rebels, Updated.

Truth Seeker is completely impossible to win as. Should be 3 correct predictions max and he should go before killing roles so he can protect himself from being shot if he guesses correctly. Back when I was Truth Seeker I also suggested that the TS sees who his target did visit (like detective track) if his prediction was wrong, so he at least gets some information, is able to fake claim detective and will know if someone is capable of visiting people at all or not. The abundance of citizens makes this a really tough role to play as.
Deal. 3 predictions, detective skill set, and he will go before kills on OoO.

Does the Ninja's target lose his ability? If yes, does their role change?
No.

Since the "puppet" is not informed of the theft from a Soul Thief, if their role would normally get any feedback from their own action and they submit an action anyway, they would still know that they have had their soul stolen. Does anything special happen if the Soul Thief's "puppet" dies? Do they flip their own role? Does the Soul Thief still get to use their action?
Puppets do no have any night actions. As such the Soul Thief cannot "steal" a puppets night action and will fail.

NOTE: I have no administration rights to member accounts, so I can't support anon accounts. You'd have to contact a super mod or site administrator if anything goes wrong with those accounts or if you want to have them deleted after the game. Ideally, don't use them if you don't have to.
Noted.

[AppleyNO]

EDIT: OP Edited.

[LeaD]

Q: Regarding the Roulette Master: How can people not die by the roulette? Can they not pull? Or do they not shoot themselves if
a) the one who would shoot himself gets healed (cmon son, they shoot themselves in the head, why wouldn't he die lol)
b) Roulette Master gets RB-d. (Can he? gonna be the next set of questions)
c) A night immune role shoots himself.
Q: What happens if the Roulette Master gets roleblocked? Does he perform the kill or does it count as a unblockable suicide performed by the loser of the roulette? If he gets roleblocked and the first variant is true, would that make no roulette kills? or both die since none of them died?

[AppleyNO]

Q: Regarding the Roulette Master: How can people not die by the roulette? Can they not pull?
If no one pulls, they both die.

Or do they not shoot themselves if
a) the one who would shoot himself gets healed (cmon son, they shoot themselves in the head, why wouldn't he die lol)
Nope. Undated.
b) Roulette Master gets RB-d. (Can he? gonna be the next set of questions)
Nope. He is before RBing in OoO
c) A night immune role shoots himself.
Will get killed. Updated.
Q: What happens if the Roulette Master gets roleblocked? Does he perform the kill or does it count as a unblockable suicide performed by the loser of the roulette?
Nothing happens. He is before RBers in the OoO.

[AppleyNO]

I also just realized that what happens if the Ventriloquist gets soul stolen(Which I think was Borks question). The Ventriloquist doesnt have a "night action".

[BorkBot]

Sorry, I didn't mean actual ventriloquist puppets. That might have been a confusing term to use.. The Soul Thief's ability description is written in such a way that it seems like he is using the ability that belongs to his victim, like he's controlling his actions like a witch, but permanently. Is this true? Or does he just absorb the ability and use it himself? Does the Soul Thief need his victim to live to keep using the ability?

What if he steals the soul of a Doctor or something? Wouldn't he basically just lose the game then? Wouldn't it be better if the Soul Thief had multiple charges of soul stealing so he can take another ability if he gets one he doesn't want (and giving back the ability he stole before if the previous target still lives)?

Does a role that had its soul stolen appear in the graveyard as normal?

[AppleyNO]

Your ok =)

Sorry, I didn't mean actual ventriloquist puppets. That might have been a confusing term to use.. The Soul Thief's ability description is written in such a way that it seems like he is using the ability that belongs to his victim, like he's controlling his actions like a witch, but permanently. Is this true? Or does he just absorb the ability and use it himself? Does the Soul Thief need his victim to live to keep using the ability?
He absorbs the ability. If he doesn't want it, you can surrender the ability and pick another ability next night. But you cannot use your current action even once, of your stuck with it. He does not need his victim to live to use the ability he stole.

What if he steals the soul of a Doctor or something? Wouldn't he basically just lose the game then? Wouldn't it be better if the Soul Thief had multiple charges of soul stealing so he can take another ability if he gets one he doesn't want (and giving back the ability he stole before if the previous target still lives)?
As long as he does not use "Heal", for example, even once, he can surrender the ability and try again.

Does a role that had its soul stolen appear in the graveyard as normal?
Yes

[LeaD]

Ah i get it, so the entire roulette takes place before anything else happens
You should add this in OoO :All kills, except Roulette Master

[AppleyNO]

I can see that this is going to be confusing.

When I get back from school, expect a different role list.

[Nick]

Roulette Master > Devourer > Serial Killer ~ Spree Killer

[AppleyNO]

I have a better Idea, actually.

Locking Thread and posting Idea in M-FM parking.