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/sign with Whad as an archon.

/sign with Whad as an archon.

I ~did~ know about the victory an hour before the announcement! GG, tho Fury is being a spoil-sport - how can you be critical of others when, by your own admission, you were ineffective this game because you were drunk all weekend?

I ~did~ know about the victory an hour before the announcement! GG, tho Fury is being a spoil-sport - how can you be critical of others when, by your own admission, you were ineffective this game because you were drunk all weekend?

[QUOTE=Whad;684562]I have to go on a run and won't be back until the evening but I think we have more than 24 hours left in day. Give me a chance to put together some final reads and feel free to hammer after that. I think that's only fair.[/QUOTE]

It's good to see you fighting for yourself! (nonsarcastically)

Originally Posted by Whad

I have to go on a run and won't be back until the evening but I think we have more than 24 hours left in day. Give me a chance to put together some final reads and feel free to hammer after that. I think that's only fair.

It's good to see you fighting for yourself! (nonsarcastically)

[QUOTE=Suntax;684530]It's very possible and with a wide array of fan options but with the lawyer being most likely, i unferaand you thibk ge did not fan which is the most likely howerver Whad pushing fury then 22 with the lawyer as fan makes a whole lofts sense
(Please say if im wrong) but wasn't Whad steering clear if a lawyer lynch yesterday, if so this further ups lawyer being a late pick for a fan.

The no convert could be TO keep Whad away from the spotlight as a lawyer death would spark Whads clear sailing away from the lawyer.
however your logical work there Sinon is pretty well put together and does make sense.
The only thing I pick up on is Whad looked at fury before 22, as i stated previously this could of been the combo and player meta (i hate meta seriously ) allows this.
I think the turn to 22 was random and he could of easily targeted me instead as fury was, imo if i was gaga in that position as Whad i would of pushed more for me, i would flip hater and put pressure on Fury for his tunneling the next day.
22 was easier due to his lack of defense though[/QUOTE]

Whad thought Lawyer/22 were scum

[QUOTE=Whad;684176]Dude just look at this and tell me this doesn't scream coordinated scum that have a daychat:










This sounds like Lawyer is throwing weak shade at 22 and calling him gaga, but asking people to vote Fury who she thinks is fanned (like Trine pointed out). I think this exchange about Fury was also fabricated in the scum day chat since they can have an interaction and 22 gets townpoints for not wanting to hop on the Fury mislynch while The Lawyer is doing what the fan is supposed to do by trying to add steam to a townie ML.

You guys read it. You guys decide. I'm not gonna be around near EOD so I'm gonna keep my vote here on 22. Will be interesting to see how the Lawyer responds to additional votes on 22.[/QUOTE]

Whad parks vote on 22 and then says they won't be around for EOD, thereby steering clear of 22.

Originally Posted by Suntax

It's very possible and with a wide array of fan options but with the lawyer being most likely, i unferaand you thibk ge did not fan which is the most likely howerver Whad pushing fury then 22 with the lawyer as fan makes a whole lofts sense
(Please say if im wrong) but wasn't Whad steering clear if a lawyer lynch yesterday, if so this further ups lawyer being a late pick for a fan.

The no convert could be TO keep Whad away from the spotlight as a lawyer death would spark Whads clear sailing away from the lawyer.
however your logical work there Sinon is pretty well put together and does make sense.
The only thing I pick up on is Whad looked at fury before 22, as i stated previously this could of been the combo and player meta (i hate meta seriously ) allows this.
I think the turn to 22 was random and he could of easily targeted me instead as fury was, imo if i was gaga in that position as Whad i would of pushed more for me, i would flip hater and put pressure on Fury for his tunneling the next day.
22 was easier due to his lack of defense though

Whad thought Lawyer/22 were scum

Originally Posted by Whad

Dude just look at this and tell me this doesn't scream coordinated scum that have a daychat:










This sounds like Lawyer is throwing weak shade at 22 and calling him gaga, but asking people to vote Fury who she thinks is fanned (like Trine pointed out). I think this exchange about Fury was also fabricated in the scum day chat since they can have an interaction and 22 gets townpoints for not wanting to hop on the Fury mislynch while The Lawyer is doing what the fan is supposed to do by trying to add steam to a townie ML.

You guys read it. You guys decide. I'm not gonna be around near EOD so I'm gonna keep my vote here on 22. Will be interesting to see how the Lawyer responds to additional votes on 22.

Whad parks vote on 22 and then says they won't be around for EOD, thereby steering clear of 22.

[QUOTE=PowersThatBe;684523]I agree this is literally a scenario I posed earlier.

[MENTION=27282]Suntax[/MENTION] your thoughts?

[MENTION=28193]Mesk514[/MENTION] can you give us other scum targets plz? What about whad makes him seem town? I'm sorry I don't see it. Maybe you're his scum partner trying to shield him?[/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry - didn't mean to plagiarize. I must have missed in catching up/everyone's names changing made me space out a bit while catching up. Anyway, is there any strategic benefit in choosing not to fan N1? It seems it would only serve to create an otherwise avoidable zugzwang, and then risk seeing who blinks first, rather than just fanning and being up a tempo. (Sidenote - agree that we have to play the game we are given and not try to hack the rules hundred p). Maybe they thought the confusion would be more useful than an ally, esp if they view a cooked fan as a liability? But lowering our numbers by one and increasing theirs by one seems way more beneficial than that could ever potentially be. Besides, then they'd have an ally to coordinate with, which is a lot more powerful a position than being all alone.

Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

I agree this is literally a scenario I posed earlier.

@Suntax your thoughts?

@Mesk514 can you give us other scum targets plz? What about whad makes him seem town? I'm sorry I don't see it. Maybe you're his scum partner trying to shield him?

Oh, sorry - didn't mean to plagiarize. I must have missed in catching up/everyone's names changing made me space out a bit while catching up. Anyway, is there any strategic benefit in choosing not to fan N1? It seems it would only serve to create an otherwise avoidable zugzwang, and then risk seeing who blinks first, rather than just fanning and being up a tempo. (Sidenote - agree that we have to play the game we are given and not try to hack the rules hundred p). Maybe they thought the confusion would be more useful than an ally, esp if they view a cooked fan as a liability? But lowering our numbers by one and increasing theirs by one seems way more beneficial than that could ever potentially be. Besides, then they'd have an ally to coordinate with, which is a lot more powerful a position than being all alone.

[QUOTE=Sinon;684520]I don't really like to use game-circumstantial evidence, but doesn't everything sorta make sense if we assume POD was afk Gaga? We lynched Phoenix, but POD was MIA and had to be replaced by Whad for Day Two. On the Day Two post, POD is still listed, not Whad - mod doesn't mention the replacement until a half hour after start of day. It seems possible that, for whatever reason, POD did not exercise their fan ability before they were replaced, and Whad's swapping in wasn't figured out in time for them to fan someone (or, jumping into a game, Whad decided to wait a turn before fanning to make an informed decision). Then day 2 we ML 22, Whad [B]makes their first convert tonight[/B], thus so no fan died during the night, and so it looks like fan chose not to convert when it may be the case there was just no fan yet to begin with. Does this make sense? Pick apart my logic plz.[/QUOTE]

*makes their first convert that night (N2)

Originally Posted by Sinon

I don't really like to use game-circumstantial evidence, but doesn't everything sorta make sense if we assume POD was afk Gaga? We lynched Phoenix, but POD was MIA and had to be replaced by Whad for Day Two. On the Day Two post, POD is still listed, not Whad - mod doesn't mention the replacement until a half hour after start of day. It seems possible that, for whatever reason, POD did not exercise their fan ability before they were replaced, and Whad's swapping in wasn't figured out in time for them to fan someone (or, jumping into a game, Whad decided to wait a turn before fanning to make an informed decision). Then day 2 we ML 22, Whad makes their first convert tonight, thus so no fan died during the night, and so it looks like fan chose not to convert when it may be the case there was just no fan yet to begin with. Does this make sense? Pick apart my logic plz.

*makes their first convert that night (N2)

I don't really like to use game-circumstantial evidence, but doesn't everything sorta make sense if we assume POD was afk Gaga? We lynched Phoenix, but POD was MIA and had to be replaced by Whad for Day Two. On the Day Two post, POD is still listed, not Whad - mod doesn't mention the replacement until a half hour after start of day. It seems possible that, for whatever reason, POD did not exercise their fan ability before they were replaced, and Whad's swapping in wasn't figured out in time for them to fan someone (or, jumping into a game, Whad decided to wait a turn before fanning to make an informed decision). Then day 2 we ML 22, Whad makes their first convert tonight, thus so no fan died during the night, and so it looks like fan chose not to convert when it may be the case there was just no fan yet to begin with. Does this make sense? Pick apart my logic plz.

I don't really like to use game-circumstantial evidence, but doesn't everything sorta make sense if we assume POD was afk Gaga? We lynched Phoenix, but POD was MIA and had to be replaced by Whad for Day Two. On the Day Two post, POD is still listed, not Whad - mod doesn't mention the replacement until a half hour after start of day. It seems possible that, for whatever reason, POD did not exercise their fan ability before they were replaced, and Whad's swapping in wasn't figured out in time for them to fan someone (or, jumping into a game, Whad decided to wait a turn before fanning to make an informed decision). Then day 2 we ML 22, Whad makes their first convert tonight, thus so no fan died during the night, and so it looks like fan chose not to convert when it may be the case there was just no fan yet to begin with. Does this make sense? Pick apart my logic plz.

[QUOTE=PowersThatBe;684510]Okay two things.

1. The town only wins by lyching, choosing not to lynch indefinitely is not going to force the fan to act. That's been my point. The fan isn't required to convert, they have two methods to win. One way is convert every night to win as fast as possible, but they trade info. The second way is they don't convert and they starve us of info and thus force us to make lynches with less info. They are not required to give us info. They are required to get us to the point where they win and we lose. So whereas the fan choosing not to convert sucks for us, it is not anti game. It is a strategy that Mike of us considered viable. If we don't lynch because of this then we are just acting like kids who wanna take their ball and go home because we don't like the rules. It is our job to take in all available information and make the best possibile lynch based on that info. If we had a tpr killing role I could see choosing not to lynch because we could still hit a scum.

2. I think asking the mod to draw game or asking the mod to help us win the game is not what forum mafia is about. We gotta play the hand we were dealt tbh. We can win if we hit gaga or the fan today. We should most definitely lynch.


I still like whad as Gaga but we can definitely hit the lawyer because I'm most certain she's the fan. At least this way Gaga has to convert or lose voting power tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

This.

Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

Okay two things.

1. The town only wins by lyching, choosing not to lynch indefinitely is not going to force the fan to act. That's been my point. The fan isn't required to convert, they have two methods to win. One way is convert every night to win as fast as possible, but they trade info. The second way is they don't convert and they starve us of info and thus force us to make lynches with less info. They are not required to give us info. They are required to get us to the point where they win and we lose. So whereas the fan choosing not to convert sucks for us, it is not anti game. It is a strategy that Mike of us considered viable. If we don't lynch because of this then we are just acting like kids who wanna take their ball and go home because we don't like the rules. It is our job to take in all available information and make the best possibile lynch based on that info. If we had a tpr killing role I could see choosing not to lynch because we could still hit a scum.

2. I think asking the mod to draw game or asking the mod to help us win the game is not what forum mafia is about. We gotta play the hand we were dealt tbh. We can win if we hit gaga or the fan today. We should most definitely lynch.


I still like whad as Gaga but we can definitely hit the lawyer because I'm most certain she's the fan. At least this way Gaga has to convert or lose voting power tomorrow.

This.

[QUOTE=PowersThatBe;684507]Moving off this topic for now. What do you think about Whad and or The Lawyer being possible scum team?

We can certainly revisit your no lynch scenario, but we're here to scum hunt first.[/QUOTE]

Catching up but thought this was a good place to stop and comment since I had been thinking it while reading up. Though first let me say I think we should lynch to day, I see no point in not lynching. At best we do nothing this time, then fan again does nothing, and we're right back here. Fan presumably didn't fan for a reason, and we'll just keep going back and forth, except we'll be more tired, less sharp, and have less acuity the longer the game drags out. Maybe that's the plan.

Lawyer and Whad have consistently ignored questions asked specifically to them. It's Whad's play that really smells scummy to me. Their play has been lazy tbh, except when they bothered to tally up all of the interactions i had had with eahc playre up until that point, seemingly only to point out I had not interacted specifically with Lawyer (though left out pointing out hte othre 3 players I only had 0 or 1 interaction(s) with too, misleadingly). It's a pity Whad didn't put a little bit of that energy into answering questions to original analysis.

[QUOTE=Whad;684455]Well if I was Gaga asking to be lynched then that's definitely gamethrowing. Town has 1 more mislynch so it's not gamethrowing, and you all seem super set on lynching me anyway. Nothing I can say will prevent that so why fight it. I understand that leading trains on Fury and 22 shot my credibility so I'm taking responsibility for my actions.[/QUOTE]

This is one among several examples of Whad mentioning those trains in most a martyring-type of way, which reads odd to me. Tbh I think Whad has been overstating these trains, especially given how quick they were to abandon it as quickly as they did.

[QUOTE=Whad;684058]Ok, so since you town read me. Do you think Suntax AND Sinon are both scum pushing for Fury, riding my coattails? I think that at most, one scum is on Fury right now. Gaga and Fan have daychat and would probably want to coordinate their votes to look uncoordinated. If you had to choose between Suntax and Sinon as scum which would it be?[/QUOTE]

Whad's also been trying to make it sound like I've been following their lead, copying them, when I've come to the scumreads on them before they did.

[QUOTE=Sinon;684072]Riding your coattails? You're coming to the same conclusions I've already had. Please.[/QUOTE]

All of this adds up to Whad trying very hard to overplay the effort/skin they put in the game while trying to use that same manufactured evidence as a weight to bring me down, i.e. openly opining why I would have possibly supported a Fury train/lynch despite me having scumread fury long before Whad. The lazy play has continued, Whad has not answer questions I've asked directly to them, and demand others do analysis for them without doing any of their own. When they don't outright ignore questions, they say fine lynch me idc in a self-pitying (and lazy) way. This sums to scum in my mind. If my idea about scum just wanting to beleaguer/drain us by dragging out the game both in time and through junk posting, Whad's doing a pretty good job. Lawyer has been doing this to some extent too (at least the ignoring questions part) - how often have Whad and Lawyer interacted? Unless you already have that figure off-hand, Whad.

Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

Moving off this topic for now. What do you think about Whad and or The Lawyer being possible scum team?

We can certainly revisit your no lynch scenario, but we're here to scum hunt first.

Catching up but thought this was a good place to stop and comment since I had been thinking it while reading up. Though first let me say I think we should lynch to day, I see no point in not lynching. At best we do nothing this time, then fan again does nothing, and we're right back here. Fan presumably didn't fan for a reason, and we'll just keep going back and forth, except we'll be more tired, less sharp, and have less acuity the longer the game drags out. Maybe that's the plan.

Lawyer and Whad have consistently ignored questions asked specifically to them. It's Whad's play that really smells scummy to me. Their play has been lazy tbh, except when they bothered to tally up all of the interactions i had had with eahc playre up until that point, seemingly only to point out I had not interacted specifically with Lawyer (though left out pointing out hte othre 3 players I only had 0 or 1 interaction(s) with too, misleadingly). It's a pity Whad didn't put a little bit of that energy into answering questions to original analysis.

Originally Posted by Whad

Well if I was Gaga asking to be lynched then that's definitely gamethrowing. Town has 1 more mislynch so it's not gamethrowing, and you all seem super set on lynching me anyway. Nothing I can say will prevent that so why fight it. I understand that leading trains on Fury and 22 shot my credibility so I'm taking responsibility for my actions.

This is one among several examples of Whad mentioning those trains in most a martyring-type of way, which reads odd to me. Tbh I think Whad has been overstating these trains, especially given how quick they were to abandon it as quickly as they did.

Originally Posted by Whad

Ok, so since you town read me. Do you think Suntax AND Sinon are both scum pushing for Fury, riding my coattails? I think that at most, one scum is on Fury right now. Gaga and Fan have daychat and would probably want to coordinate their votes to look uncoordinated. If you had to choose between Suntax and Sinon as scum which would it be?

Whad's also been trying to make it sound like I've been following their lead, copying them, when I've come to the scumreads on them before they did.

Originally Posted by Sinon

Riding your coattails? You're coming to the same conclusions I've already had. Please.

All of this adds up to Whad trying very hard to overplay the effort/skin they put in the game while trying to use that same manufactured evidence as a weight to bring me down, i.e. openly opining why I would have possibly supported a Fury train/lynch despite me having scumread fury long before Whad. The lazy play has continued, Whad has not answer questions I've asked directly to them, and demand others do analysis for them without doing any of their own. When they don't outright ignore questions, they say fine lynch me idc in a self-pitying (and lazy) way. This sums to scum in my mind. If my idea about scum just wanting to beleaguer/drain us by dragging out the game both in time and through junk posting, Whad's doing a pretty good job. Lawyer has been doing this to some extent too (at least the ignoring questions part) - how often have Whad and Lawyer interacted? Unless you already have that figure off-hand, Whad.

[QUOTE=PowersThatBe;684416]I've already given my point as to why I thought you did it. You were against the train at the time and not because of who it was on but because of who was leading it.


Why did you join the train? Bc the lawyer unvoted?[/QUOTE]

A little, but ultimately it was just I thought it was better for us to lynch than not, and I had been reading 22 and Lawyer and somewhat scummy, so I thought it'd be better to lynch one of them than to not lynch at all...22 seemed a little scummier to me (#795) and I thought he had the votes.

Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

I've already given my point as to why I thought you did it. You were against the train at the time and not because of who it was on but because of who was leading it.


Why did you join the train? Bc the lawyer unvoted?

A little, but ultimately it was just I thought it was better for us to lynch than not, and I had been reading 22 and Lawyer and somewhat scummy, so I thought it'd be better to lynch one of them than to not lynch at all...22 seemed a little scummier to me (#795) and I thought he had the votes.

[QUOTE=Whad;684406]Yeah, but why is Sinon attacking me when he should be correcting your recounting of events?

It seems like Sinon is really tunneled on me for some reason.[/QUOTE]

You're right, I should be questioning PTB about that, you were just responding/provoking with that, my mistake. But everything else wrt your flip flopping, etc. still stands.

Originally Posted by Whad

Yeah, but why is Sinon attacking me when he should be correcting your recounting of events?

It seems like Sinon is really tunneled on me for some reason.

You're right, I should be questioning PTB about that, you were just responding/provoking with that, my mistake. But everything else wrt your flip flopping, etc. still stands.

[QUOTE=Whad;684400]I was just responding to PTB's post where he summarized 22's lynch train. It's interesting that you attack me for asking followup questions based on PTB's analysis of the lynch train instead of correcting PTB directly. So ask PTB for the source, please.

I dislike how you are so focused on me. Always throwing shade at me and being super aggressive. Kind of feels like PTB/Sinon is the scum team trying to mislynch me.

I "flip flopped" about who I thought we should lynch because we are literally going off of interactions and posts. When people get pressured, you get more information about interactions and posts which then informs reads. It's a very dynamic thing so in fact it seems ODD if people aren't flip flopping on reads. Tunneling someone makes it seem like you have an agenda that isn't the town-lynch-gaga agenda.[/QUOTE]

The problem isn't flip flopping per se, as of course we should all be reevaluating but you repeatedly have refused to give an explanation any of it when asked. I appear focused on you only because you're like trying to nail jello to a wall and won't commit to anything, and you're trying to surreptitiously drive the course of the conversation. You're like a politician being asked a question. And, like one, you get falsely offended as another way to get out of having to commit to anything or answer anything. And last, your trying to lump me and PTB and scum team reads desperate. I think we need to put the pressure on Whad and really see what they have to say.

[vote]Whad[/vote]

Originally Posted by Whad

I was just responding to PTB's post where he summarized 22's lynch train. It's interesting that you attack me for asking followup questions based on PTB's analysis of the lynch train instead of correcting PTB directly. So ask PTB for the source, please.

I dislike how you are so focused on me. Always throwing shade at me and being super aggressive. Kind of feels like PTB/Sinon is the scum team trying to mislynch me.

I "flip flopped" about who I thought we should lynch because we are literally going off of interactions and posts. When people get pressured, you get more information about interactions and posts which then informs reads. It's a very dynamic thing so in fact it seems ODD if people aren't flip flopping on reads. Tunneling someone makes it seem like you have an agenda that isn't the town-lynch-gaga agenda.

The problem isn't flip flopping per se, as of course we should all be reevaluating but you repeatedly have refused to give an explanation any of it when asked. I appear focused on you only because you're like trying to nail jello to a wall and won't commit to anything, and you're trying to surreptitiously drive the course of the conversation. You're like a politician being asked a question. And, like one, you get falsely offended as another way to get out of having to commit to anything or answer anything. And last, your trying to lump me and PTB and scum team reads desperate. I think we need to put the pressure on Whad and really see what they have to say.

-vote Whad

[QUOTE=Whad;684391][MENTION=27821]PowersThatBe[/MENTION]

Very interesting. Do you think Sinon against 22 lynch and then being for it the next morning was opportunistic scum or reevaluating town?[/QUOTE]

Mind if I take this one? When was a against TwentyTwo? Sources plz 'cause I was somewhat scum reading him earlier than you:

[QUOTE=Sinon;683508][MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] - long time no see: where you been hiding?

Unknown1234 - null
Sinon - town~
Trine - town
Fury - absolutely scum-ptious!
TwentyTwo - neutral/slightly scummy
The Lawyer - somewhat scummy
powerofdeath/Whad - ?
ccantman - town
Suntax - slightly scummy

I guess I cast a wide net, so maybe it's more a reflection of who I think is cleared as town in my mind than it is of who I think is scum. EXCEPT YOU FURY - you stay right there! Fury continues to assume control of the direction the conversation, demanding twice that we give him our reads (yes I realize I'm complicit...), which we shouldn't let go unnoticed - it's pernicious. Are we sharing who we think specific people who we think are Gaga would convert?[/QUOTE]

In fact I even tagged you in the post I did it in. After that, admittedly I started to focus on fury, but that certainly doesn't mean I was 'against' a 22 lynch. Glad to see you're assuming power again, demanding more information before putting up any insight yourself; you only lazily agreed to ccantman's analysis and quickly changed the topic of convo immediately thereafter, throwing sidelong shade on me. Whad I ever do to you anyway? :sad:

Why don't you explain why you flip flopped all over the place about you we should lynch earlier? Or updated reads?

Originally Posted by Whad

@PowersThatBe

Very interesting. Do you think Sinon against 22 lynch and then being for it the next morning was opportunistic scum or reevaluating town?

Mind if I take this one? When was a against TwentyTwo? Sources plz 'cause I was somewhat scum reading him earlier than you:

Originally Posted by Sinon

@Whad - long time no see: where you been hiding?

Unknown1234 - null
Sinon - town~
Trine - town
Fury - absolutely scum-ptious!
TwentyTwo - neutral/slightly scummy
The Lawyer - somewhat scummy
powerofdeath/Whad - ?
ccantman - town
Suntax - slightly scummy

I guess I cast a wide net, so maybe it's more a reflection of who I think is cleared as town in my mind than it is of who I think is scum. EXCEPT YOU FURY - you stay right there! Fury continues to assume control of the direction the conversation, demanding twice that we give him our reads (yes I realize I'm complicit...), which we shouldn't let go unnoticed - it's pernicious. Are we sharing who we think specific people who we think are Gaga would convert?

In fact I even tagged you in the post I did it in. After that, admittedly I started to focus on fury, but that certainly doesn't mean I was 'against' a 22 lynch. Glad to see you're assuming power again, demanding more information before putting up any insight yourself; you only lazily agreed to ccantman's analysis and quickly changed the topic of convo immediately thereafter, throwing sidelong shade on me. Whad I ever do to you anyway?

Why don't you explain why you flip flopped all over the place about you we should lynch earlier? Or updated reads?

[QUOTE=ccantman;684233]And why the rush on the hammer? It was already made that an early day lynch only gives Night more hours and doesn't fasten the game[/QUOTE]

Oh, ok, I guess it doesn't really matter then. My point was more it's gonna be 22 or no one, and if you were going to hammer him eventually, then it either way 22 would be lynched. Feel free to wait to see if others chime in before EOD first.

Originally Posted by ccantman

And why the rush on the hammer? It was already made that an early day lynch only gives Night more hours and doesn't fasten the game

Oh, ok, I guess it doesn't really matter then. My point was more it's gonna be 22 or no one, and if you were going to hammer him eventually, then it either way 22 would be lynched. Feel free to wait to see if others chime in before EOD first.

[QUOTE=ccantman;684231]because the game doesn't revolve around 5 players only[/QUOTE]

It kind of does if you have a quorum.

Originally Posted by ccantman

because the game doesn't revolve around 5 players only

It kind of does if you have a quorum.

[QUOTE=ccantman;684228]I do not think 22 is it.

But I do think a lynch today is better than no lynch.

If I am wrong, the game will be over so not the biggest deal.

If there is no hammer I will hammer in at EoD[/QUOTE]

Why delay if you're willing to hammer anyway? He gonna die no matter what in that case. Cut to the chase.

Originally Posted by ccantman

I do not think 22 is it.

But I do think a lynch today is better than no lynch.

If I am wrong, the game will be over so not the biggest deal.

If there is no hammer I will hammer in at EoD

Why delay if you're willing to hammer anyway? He gonna die no matter what in that case. Cut to the chase.

[QUOTE=ccantman;684216]That requires me to trust the conductor first[/QUOTE]

I don't think Whad's necessarily conducting this train, as several of us have been suspicious of 22 independently. Maybe suntan is actually just following what Whad does, but for myself, Whad being on this train didn't make me any more likely to have boarded it.

Originally Posted by ccantman

That requires me to trust the conductor first

I don't think Whad's necessarily conducting this train, as several of us have been suspicious of 22 independently. Maybe suntan is actually just following what Whad does, but for myself, Whad being on this train didn't make me any more likely to have boarded it.

[QUOTE=Whad;684209]Pretty please vote 22?[/QUOTE]

Well, since you asked so nicely and all.

Originally Posted by Whad

Pretty please vote 22?

Well, since you asked so nicely and all.

[QUOTE=Suntax;684206]I say we go for a lynch, fury is not the target at least for today so we are lynching lawyer or 22, from what I gather.
im just gonna lynch with the town at this point.[/QUOTE]

Alright then, let's get this train rolling.

[vote]TwentyTwo[/vote]

Choo choo, all aboard!

Originally Posted by Suntax

I say we go for a lynch, fury is not the target at least for today so we are lynching lawyer or 22, from what I gather.
im just gonna lynch with the town at this point.

Alright then, let's get this train rolling.

-vote TwentyTwo

Choo choo, all aboard!

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I don't think we're gonna be able to lynch Fury - we're too split. In fact, I wouldn't mind lynching if we delaying lynching him a day. I think our only chance of lynching someone is 22 or Lawyer. I've mildly scum read them the whole game, but 22 seems more likely to be scum. He's hitting that scummy sweet-spot between afking and sauntering back to say a few quick things that don't really move the needle. Can we rally behind one of them?

I don't think we're gonna be able to lynch Fury - we're too split. In fact, I wouldn't mind lynching if we delaying lynching him a day. I think our only chance of lynching someone is 22 or Lawyer. I've mildly scum read them the whole game, but 22 seems more likely to be scum. He's hitting that scummy sweet-spot between afking and sauntering back to say a few quick things that don't really move the needle. Can we rally behind one of them?

[QUOTE=Trine;684171]I'm gonna put it like this.

Once I go to bed. It is very unlikely I will be back to vote EOD.

So I will not vote anyone to not be accused of pushing a mislynch.

I will try very hard to check in on my break. I will push a vote if there's good enough case.

CAN I ASK EVERYONE A FAVOR?

@ me on ALL posts you want me to see tomorrow to make an informed decision. (fury if you spam this I swear to god)

I want to contribute, but work is fucking my life RN.[/QUOTE]

Will do

Originally Posted by Trine

I'm gonna put it like this.

Once I go to bed. It is very unlikely I will be back to vote EOD.

So I will not vote anyone to not be accused of pushing a mislynch.

I will try very hard to check in on my break. I will push a vote if there's good enough case.

CAN I ASK EVERYONE A FAVOR?

@ me on ALL posts you want me to see tomorrow to make an informed decision. (fury if you spam this I swear to god)

I want to contribute, but work is fucking my life RN.

Will do

[QUOTE=Whad;684170]You're free to townread me or scumread me. This exchange is actually making me townread you a bit more, Sinon. I don't know if you as scum would be as aggressive about discrediting me since Gaga has to play nice and get to the endgame with enough friends not to get lynched.[/QUOTE]

Hmm. Backing off of me a bit, but who might you pivot to next? I guess I'll reflect on it after some sleep - sleepiness is making me a little extra spicy anyhow. Later, ladies!

Originally Posted by Whad

You're free to townread me or scumread me. This exchange is actually making me townread you a bit more, Sinon. I don't know if you as scum would be as aggressive about discrediting me since Gaga has to play nice and get to the endgame with enough friends not to get lynched.

Hmm. Backing off of me a bit, but who might you pivot to next? I guess I'll reflect on it after some sleep - sleepiness is making me a little extra spicy anyhow. Later, ladies!

[QUOTE=Whad;684163]Ok if you had to pick 4 people to townread then who would they be? I just picked those 4 since I'm pretty sure that general consensus is at least townleaning on some of: myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman

I guess I'm also forgetting unknown1234. This slot is playing more lurky than i would like, but we can revisit D3 I guess if we don't hit gaga with 22.[/QUOTE]

STILL trying to dupe more info out of me without putting up any scratch first. Amazing.

Originally Posted by Whad

Ok if you had to pick 4 people to townread then who would they be? I just picked those 4 since I'm pretty sure that general consensus is at least townleaning on some of: myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman

I guess I'm also forgetting unknown1234. This slot is playing more lurky than i would like, but we can revisit D3 I guess if we don't hit gaga with 22.

STILL trying to dupe more info out of me without putting up any scratch first. Amazing.

[QUOTE=Trine;684160]be careful. remember stereo LOL[/QUOTE]

LOL yes. For shame. But Whad is quite a different player from Stereo.

Originally Posted by Trine

be careful. remember stereo LOL

LOL yes. For shame. But Whad is quite a different player from Stereo.

[QUOTE=Trine;684155][MENTION=28306]Whad[/MENTION] I definitely agree that the lawyer is most likely fanned and is throwing shade at her partner.

And fuck your shit makes sense because as I pointed out, the lawyer was going up and down about how 22 was gaga but the whole time she was painting fury as the scum and I said in that post that it makes the reader scum read fury and NOT 22.[/QUOTE]

I'd caution drinking Whad's koolaid. You've been by far the most thorough in going through old posts, etc. to try to scumhunt and piece together a narrative, which is admirable, but as it happened, none of us was really sold on it before. So, you might naturally want to keep digging or think harder about everything to REALLY figure it out, and you mostly have, so I would NOT be surprised if Whad realized this and thought it'd be useful to try to incept the seed of an idea in your (fertile) mind that grows into you clearing them.

Originally Posted by Trine

@Whad I definitely agree that the lawyer is most likely fanned and is throwing shade at her partner.

And fuck your shit makes sense because as I pointed out, the lawyer was going up and down about how 22 was gaga but the whole time she was painting fury as the scum and I said in that post that it makes the reader scum read fury and NOT 22.

I'd caution drinking Whad's koolaid. You've been by far the most thorough in going through old posts, etc. to try to scumhunt and piece together a narrative, which is admirable, but as it happened, none of us was really sold on it before. So, you might naturally want to keep digging or think harder about everything to REALLY figure it out, and you mostly have, so I would NOT be surprised if Whad realized this and thought it'd be useful to try to incept the seed of an idea in your (fertile) mind that grows into you clearing them.

[QUOTE=Whad;684148]Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.[/QUOTE]

We're not assuming a goddamn motherfucking thing. Nice try again, but you're not going to surreptitiously direct the convo down a path where you try to dismiss four people, including yourself, out of hand and ask which of the remain three we lynch. Pernicously suggestive language. Why did you flip-flop back to town-reading Trine anyway? You seemed to be scum-reading them pretty hard just a little while ago and now, poof, suddenly it's more strategic to have pivoted to someone else.

Originally Posted by Whad

Ok let's just ignore myself, Fury, Trine, and ccantman for today.

Assume The Lawyer got fanned.

Of Suntax, Sinon, and Twenty Two, who do we lynch?

I'd rather do Sinon over Twenty Two over Suntax but would compromise vote on any of those 3.

We're not assuming a goddamn motherfucking thing. Nice try again, but you're not going to surreptitiously direct the convo down a path where you try to dismiss four people, including yourself, out of hand and ask which of the remain three we lynch. Pernicously suggestive language. Why did you flip-flop back to town-reading Trine anyway? You seemed to be scum-reading them pretty hard just a little while ago and now, poof, suddenly it's more strategic to have pivoted to someone else.

[QUOTE=Whad;684146]Sinon and The Lawyer both avoid interacting with each other.

The Lawyer Interactions

Day 1:
Suntax: 7
Trine: 3
Fury: 12
Unknown1234: 1
Ccantman: 1
Pod/whad: 1
TBP: 1
Twenty Two: 1
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Sinon: 0[/COLOR][/B]

Day 2:
Fury: 10
TwentyTwo: 6
Ccantman: 1
Suntax: 3
Trine: 1
Whad: 1
Unknown1234: 0
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Sinon: 0[/COLOR][/B]
TBP: 0[/QUOTE]

A specious statistic. I'm sure fully a quarter of these 'interactions' would be zero among all of us. You talk to Unknown yet, for instance? Whad continues to try to pivot with tenuous connections.

Originally Posted by Whad

Sinon and The Lawyer both avoid interacting with each other.

The Lawyer Interactions

Day 1:
Suntax: 7
Trine: 3
Fury: 12
Unknown1234: 1
Ccantman: 1
Pod/whad: 1
TBP: 1
Twenty Two: 1
Sinon: 0

Day 2:
Fury: 10
TwentyTwo: 6
Ccantman: 1
Suntax: 3
Trine: 1
Whad: 1
Unknown1234: 0
Sinon: 0
TBP: 0

A specious statistic. I'm sure fully a quarter of these 'interactions' would be zero among all of us. You talk to Unknown yet, for instance? Whad continues to try to pivot with tenuous connections.

[QUOTE=Trine;684145]Here's my issue.

I dont think whad can be lady gaga because why would POD get replaced out, there would have to be no night action submitted.

I was going to suggest that maybe the lawyer is fan and whad is gaga and he's busing the lawyer to paint someone else as gaga so when she reveals tomorrow he can be like AHA!

IDk, did day start on time?[/QUOTE]

I had the same hesitation, but Whad is really out-doing themself to look scum. Not to mention the not answering my question, Whad also recently posited that consistency doesn't matter anymore? Does that sound like the Whad we know? They went through like 5 different scum reads (me, you, Lawyer, Fury, suntax) in the span of an hour with no explanation of justification for the hopping. Whad seems to be playing reactively, though trying to keep that hidden under strategic ignoring of some people/questions and quick-footed pivoting with the next accusation they wanna hurl. This play is very unlike Whad.

Originally Posted by Trine

Here's my issue.

I dont think whad can be lady gaga because why would POD get replaced out, there would have to be no night action submitted.

I was going to suggest that maybe the lawyer is fan and whad is gaga and he's busing the lawyer to paint someone else as gaga so when she reveals tomorrow he can be like AHA!

IDk, did day start on time?

I had the same hesitation, but Whad is really out-doing themself to look scum. Not to mention the not answering my question, Whad also recently posited that consistency doesn't matter anymore? Does that sound like the Whad we know? They went through like 5 different scum reads (me, you, Lawyer, Fury, suntax) in the span of an hour with no explanation of justification for the hopping. Whad seems to be playing reactively, though trying to keep that hidden under strategic ignoring of some people/questions and quick-footed pivoting with the next accusation they wanna hurl. This play is very unlike Whad.

[QUOTE=Sinon;684138]Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( :S ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention how to differentiate between The Lawyer and Unknown who are both at zero, or ccant and 22 who are at a whopping...one.

Originally Posted by Sinon

Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.

Not to mention how to differentiate between The Lawyer and Unknown who are both at zero, or ccant and 22 who are at a whopping...one.

[QUOTE=Sinon;684138]Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( :S ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.[/QUOTE]

*Trine

Originally Posted by Sinon

Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.

*Trine

[QUOTE=Whad;684133]Sinon’s interactions
Fury: 10
Trine: 5
Whad: 15
Ccantman: 1
TwentyTwo: 1
Suntax: 3
Unknown: 0
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]The Lawyer: 0[/COLOR][/B]
TBP: 0


I think Sinon is Gaga and is avoiding interacting with the Lawyer who he fanned.

[vote]Sinon[vote][/QUOTE]

Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( :S ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.

Originally Posted by Whad

Sinon’s interactions
Fury: 10
Trine: 5
Whad: 15
Ccantman: 1
TwentyTwo: 1
Suntax: 3
Unknown: 0
The Lawyer: 0
TBP: 0


I think Sinon is Gaga and is avoiding interacting with the Lawyer who he fanned.

[vote]Sinon[vote]

Glad to see you went through and literally tallied every contact I've had ( ) but can't answer simple questions asked of you. Your logic has been sparse and your rationale has been meandering from player to player. It's Fury! In Suntan! It's Trie! Vote Sinon now that I'm being pressed by them! Tbh you seem off your game tonight and being way too 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,' maybe even desperate. You can't even vote correctly. Maybe get some sleep - I hope it's just that you're tired or something. I'd hate to see my count of cherished players diminish by one.

[QUOTE=Whad;684121]Well, you know I ALWAYS want more info.[/QUOTE]

Don't we all. Nice deflection. Still waiting.

Originally Posted by Whad

Well, you know I ALWAYS want more info.

Don't we all. Nice deflection. Still waiting.

[QUOTE=Whad;684115]So do you still scumread Fury?[/QUOTE]

Refuses to answer questions while demanding more info. SMH.

Originally Posted by Whad

So do you still scumread Fury?

Refuses to answer questions while demanding more info. SMH.

[QUOTE=Whad;684114][MENTION=29405]Sinon[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27282]Suntax[/MENTION]

Why are you still voting Fury. Still scum read him? Give me the update on how your read on Fury is developing in light of recent posts.[/QUOTE]

You first, and calm down, you just unvoted yourself. Weren't you just complaining I don't stand behind the weight of my words because I never voted? Who's been slinking away from their words for the past 30 mins and just unvoted?

Originally Posted by Whad

@Sinon
@Suntax

Why are you still voting Fury. Still scum read him? Give me the update on how your read on Fury is developing in light of recent posts.

You first, and calm down, you just unvoted yourself. Weren't you just complaining I don't stand behind the weight of my words because I never voted? Who's been slinking away from their words for the past 30 mins and just unvoted?

[QUOTE=Whad;684104]Most colored sections were signed "-PTB" I don't see why you can't use the quote tags to break it up and make it more readable. This reads like townie paranoia so I'm happy to go back to thinking that The Lawyer was fanned for now.

Also, I'm gonna [unvote][/unvote] since I feel better about Fury now. Let's get Sinon or Suntax today. Part of me really wants Sinon's head for a reason I can't really explain very well at the moment. Maybe the best way to put it is that of Suntax and Sinon, I think Sinon is more likely to Fan The Lawyer.

Gonna read and see if this story seems consistent.[/QUOTE]

Uncharacteristically scattershot. Care to explain why you're opting for a shotgun when you usually surgically shoot? Or explain why you're "feeling better" about Fury now? Or is it for the same convenient, vague reason that you can't really explain why you want my head? You're a little hasty to move on to something else for seemingly no reason, especially since you seemed to be winning your argument with Trine (at least in the court of pubic opinion).

Originally Posted by Whad

Most colored sections were signed "-PTB" I don't see why you can't use the quote tags to break it up and make it more readable. This reads like townie paranoia so I'm happy to go back to thinking that The Lawyer was fanned for now.

Also, I'm gonna

-unvote

since I feel better about Fury now. Let's get Sinon or Suntax today. Part of me really wants Sinon's head for a reason I can't really explain very well at the moment. Maybe the best way to put it is that of Suntax and Sinon, I think Sinon is more likely to Fan The Lawyer.

Gonna read and see if this story seems consistent.

Uncharacteristically scattershot. Care to explain why you're opting for a shotgun when you usually surgically shoot? Or explain why you're "feeling better" about Fury now? Or is it for the same convenient, vague reason that you can't really explain why you want my head? You're a little hasty to move on to something else for seemingly no reason, especially since you seemed to be winning your argument with Trine (at least in the court of pubic opinion).

[QUOTE=Trine;684101]Can we talk about how there's kind've a ray of doubt on this whole fury train and while some of us are actually trying to solve the game, sun dick lotion is just literally posting bullshit?

He's done nothing this game to move the game forward. Sorry it's fucking true.

But you know what whad, just tunnel the shit out of fury, and then tomorrow tunnel me because you know, I'm probably the fan. HUE.

Jesus, how is someone so smart able to be so dumb? <3[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree with you on suntan. I don't care for excessive shitposting but that just seems to be a reality of FM. He is also registering on my scumdar and I would be open to lynching him as well.

Originally Posted by Trine

Can we talk about how there's kind've a ray of doubt on this whole fury train and while some of us are actually trying to solve the game, sun dick lotion is just literally posting bullshit?

He's done nothing this game to move the game forward. Sorry it's fucking true.

But you know what whad, just tunnel the shit out of fury, and then tomorrow tunnel me because you know, I'm probably the fan. HUE.

Jesus, how is someone so smart able to be so dumb? <3

Yes, I agree with you on suntan. I don't care for excessive shitposting but that just seems to be a reality of FM. He is also registering on my scumdar and I would be open to lynching him as well.

[QUOTE=Sinon;683613]In this game where you all swore I was the scummiest scum that ever scam and where you mislynched me, I was deemed scummy partly because I was going after Stereo because no one else was finding his trollishness and WIFOM-ing suspect. So, should my so-called circle jerk with fury really be that odd to you? In fact, based off the one data point, I'm behaving exactly as I always do when I'm town - point out the trollish, teflon-worded player (in an increasingly belligerent way) who few others want to really look at with a critical eye as potentially being scum.[/QUOTE]

[MENTION=7820]Fury[/MENTION] Pretty good summary, but here it is spoon-fed - TL;DR playing largely the same way this game as my other game (tho I'm beginning to shitpost a bit now, sue me) where my same behavior was deemed scummy and lead to my mislynch as detective.

Originally Posted by Sinon

In this game where you all swore I was the scummiest scum that ever scam and where you mislynched me, I was deemed scummy partly because I was going after Stereo because no one else was finding his trollishness and WIFOM-ing suspect. So, should my so-called circle jerk with fury really be that odd to you? In fact, based off the one data point, I'm behaving exactly as I always do when I'm town - point out the trollish, teflon-worded player (in an increasingly belligerent way) who few others want to really look at with a critical eye as potentially being scum.

@Fury Pretty good summary, but here it is spoon-fed - TL;DR playing largely the same way this game as my other game (tho I'm beginning to shitpost a bit now, sue me) where my same behavior was deemed scummy and lead to my mislynch as detective.

[QUOTE=Whad;684092]And I hammered LOL. But I was scum. So much fun. I usually never get the pleasure of hammering![/QUOTE]

Glad to be of service...

Originally Posted by Whad

And I hammered LOL. But I was scum. So much fun. I usually never get the pleasure of hammering!

Glad to be of service...

[QUOTE=Suntax;684089]Would you like some snowflake cream
DO YOU SUCK DICK PRIVATE PILE

Have you seem full metal jacket[/QUOTE]

Uh oh, don't trigger someone by using the word 'trigger'!

Originally Posted by Suntax

Would you like some snowflake cream
DO YOU SUCK DICK PRIVATE PILE

Have you seem full metal jacket

Uh oh, don't trigger someone by using the word 'trigger'!

[QUOTE=Fury;684080]I see we have just came to the same conclusion. I do not find Sinon scum anymore.[/QUOTE]

LOL I didn't see this, maybe I should have just left well enough alone!

Originally Posted by Fury

I see we have just came to the same conclusion. I do not find Sinon scum anymore.

LOL I didn't see this, maybe I should have just left well enough alone!

[QUOTE=Sinon;684082]You say I changed I play but offer no evidence. I'm playing how I played in the only other FM game I've played, and I've already said this. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]

WHERE I WAS mislynched I should clarify!!

Originally Posted by Sinon

You say I changed I play but offer no evidence. I'm playing how I played in the only other FM game I've played, and I've already said this. Put up or shut up.

WHERE I WAS mislynched I should clarify!!

[QUOTE=Fury;684057]I appreciate the helpful words. I've townread everyone except for those 2 (since the START of day 2. Even day 1 I didn't like sinon).

By POE, suntax/sinon are gaga/fan. I'm not sure which is which, but I know 100% that Sinon has changed his play. Suntax has not. If you guys think suntax could be scum, then lynch him. If he's town, then fucking string me up by my dick tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

You say I changed I play but offer no evidence. I'm playing how I played in the only other FM game I've played, and I've already said this. Put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by Fury

I appreciate the helpful words. I've townread everyone except for those 2 (since the START of day 2. Even day 1 I didn't like sinon).

By POE, suntax/sinon are gaga/fan. I'm not sure which is which, but I know 100% that Sinon has changed his play. Suntax has not. If you guys think suntax could be scum, then lynch him. If he's town, then fucking string me up by my dick tomorrow.

You say I changed I play but offer no evidence. I'm playing how I played in the only other FM game I've played, and I've already said this. Put up or shut up.

[QUOTE=Whad;684058]Ok, so since you town read me. Do you think Suntax AND Sinon are both scum pushing for Fury, riding my coattails? I think that at most, one scum is on Fury right now. Gaga and Fan have daychat and would probably want to coordinate their votes to look uncoordinated. If you had to choose between Suntax and Sinon as scum which would it be?[/QUOTE]

Riding your coattails? You're coming to the same conclusions I've already had. Please.

Originally Posted by Whad

Ok, so since you town read me. Do you think Suntax AND Sinon are both scum pushing for Fury, riding my coattails? I think that at most, one scum is on Fury right now. Gaga and Fan have daychat and would probably want to coordinate their votes to look uncoordinated. If you had to choose between Suntax and Sinon as scum which would it be?

Riding your coattails? You're coming to the same conclusions I've already had. Please.

[QUOTE=Whad;684042]Thank you! Please post some fans to prove you're still town thanks.

Also what do you think of my thought that Gaga would fan the most widely townread/least influence-able voters in the early game and keep the scummiest low key players around for MYLO/LYLO?[/QUOTE]

I also had the same thought for who Gaga would fan. 2 for 2. But interesting, I would think low key meant townread/least influence-able (more the latter). Like a wallflower.

Originally Posted by Whad

Thank you! Please post some fans to prove you're still town thanks.

Also what do you think of my thought that Gaga would fan the most widely townread/least influence-able voters in the early game and keep the scummiest low key players around for MYLO/LYLO?

I also had the same thought for who Gaga would fan. 2 for 2. But interesting, I would think low key meant townread/least influence-able (more the latter). Like a wallflower.

[QUOTE=Whad;684032]I mean that I am pretty set on voting Fury, and won't be around near the end of the day so this is where my vote is gonna stay (unless he posts some convincing stuff by the time I wake up).

If enough townspeople hard town read Fury to not want to vote him and can't pull off a different train without my vote then I'm fine with that since the fan flip tomorrow will give us more information to work off of.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I see, it's more to do with this specific situation and your certainty that Fury is Gaga than a general strategy.

Originally Posted by Whad

I mean that I am pretty set on voting Fury, and won't be around near the end of the day so this is where my vote is gonna stay (unless he posts some convincing stuff by the time I wake up).

If enough townspeople hard town read Fury to not want to vote him and can't pull off a different train without my vote then I'm fine with that since the fan flip tomorrow will give us more information to work off of.

Oh, I see, it's more to do with this specific situation and your certainty that Fury is Gaga than a general strategy.

[QUOTE=Whad;683952]I hear what you are saying, but it is wildly suboptimal if Fury is town and pulling this. IF he is town, then he causes us to WASTE time speculating over him and tbh I'm not scum but I'm pushing his lynch. So we'll just end up analyzing the train and at least one person who pushed it (me) is town. If everyone acted like this then we would literally all just be covering for Gaga.

I think it's unlikely that he's a fan since Gaga would want to keep a really scummy person around until LYLO or MYLO. HOWEVER I think it's way more likely that Fury is Gaga actually. He can claim "oh Gaga kept me around until LYLO or MYLO since I'm easy mislynch bait". But if we don't lynch Fury now, we are literally saying that we will never lynch Fury on further days. He will become "too scummy to be scum" and I am 100% uncomfortable with letting Fury get to LYLO or MYLO.

People who get fanned early on will be people that Gaga doesn't think they can vote manipulate. People who get fanned early on will also be people that are too town-read to get mislynched.

Additionally, I think optimal Gaga strategy is to seem scummy but not scummy enough to get lynched. Players who fall into this category tbh are Fury, with a side shot of Suntax or TwentyTwo.[/QUOTE]

Your (implicit) scum reads align with what mine have been for most of this game. And interesting point about Fury intentionally wasting our time - that would at least give some reason to his incessant shit-spewing. Who would a no-lynch benefit? I don't really think it's to Gaga's benefit to do so, but you also said that you wouldn't mind if we didn't lynch anyone this time, implying a no-lynch is at least okay for town. Not that I don't think that Fury is that undeniable, impossible to get rid of baked-in scum, but wouldn't his stalling for a no-lynch make him more likely to be town, if you think a no-lynch is okay for town too?

Originally Posted by Whad

I hear what you are saying, but it is wildly suboptimal if Fury is town and pulling this. IF he is town, then he causes us to WASTE time speculating over him and tbh I'm not scum but I'm pushing his lynch. So we'll just end up analyzing the train and at least one person who pushed it (me) is town. If everyone acted like this then we would literally all just be covering for Gaga.

I think it's unlikely that he's a fan since Gaga would want to keep a really scummy person around until LYLO or MYLO. HOWEVER I think it's way more likely that Fury is Gaga actually. He can claim "oh Gaga kept me around until LYLO or MYLO since I'm easy mislynch bait". But if we don't lynch Fury now, we are literally saying that we will never lynch Fury on further days. He will become "too scummy to be scum" and I am 100% uncomfortable with letting Fury get to LYLO or MYLO.

People who get fanned early on will be people that Gaga doesn't think they can vote manipulate. People who get fanned early on will also be people that are too town-read to get mislynched.

Additionally, I think optimal Gaga strategy is to seem scummy but not scummy enough to get lynched. Players who fall into this category tbh are Fury, with a side shot of Suntax or TwentyTwo.

Your (implicit) scum reads align with what mine have been for most of this game. And interesting point about Fury intentionally wasting our time - that would at least give some reason to his incessant shit-spewing. Who would a no-lynch benefit? I don't really think it's to Gaga's benefit to do so, but you also said that you wouldn't mind if we didn't lynch anyone this time, implying a no-lynch is at least okay for town. Not that I don't think that Fury is that undeniable, impossible to get rid of baked-in scum, but wouldn't his stalling for a no-lynch make him more likely to be town, if you think a no-lynch is okay for town too?

Sigh. Feel free to lynch me, or not - my efforts are futile and my words get WIFOM'd against me. Make your shitlynch record on me 2 for 2. I'll keep my vote on Fury in the meantime, though could be convinced to change to suntax. 22 a little scummy too, but not enough to lynch this time. I'll check back in a couple hours~

Sigh. Feel free to lynch me, or not - my efforts are futile and my words get WIFOM'd against me. Make your shitlynch record on me 2 for 2. I'll keep my vote on Fury in the meantime, though could be convinced to change to suntax. 22 a little scummy too, but not enough to lynch this time. I'll check back in a couple hours~

I don't understand the hate being directed at ccantman, he's one of the more consistent players who does more than just shout non-sequiturs/random insults/WIFOM drivel, which is a lot more than most of us do.

Sun tan, I don't see how your three scenarios lend any useful info. You're using me as a sacrifice to glean very little information about Fury (whose words are shit anyway so who would want to waste a town trying to corroborate something he said), and maybe a little info about one more player depending on which of your three points is true.

I don't understand the hate being directed at ccantman, he's one of the more consistent players who does more than just shout non-sequiturs/random insults/WIFOM drivel, which is a lot more than most of us do.

Sun tan, I don't see how your three scenarios lend any useful info. You're using me as a sacrifice to glean very little information about Fury (whose words are shit anyway so who would want to waste a town trying to corroborate something he said), and maybe a little info about one more player depending on which of your three points is true.

[QUOTE=Suntax;683691]What is Sinon in English?
I Google translated it and I got the words "if not:[/QUOTE]

Yeah it can mean if not, or else, otherwise, alternatively...

Originally Posted by Suntax

What is Sinon in English?
I Google translated it and I got the words "if not:

Yeah it can mean if not, or else, otherwise, alternatively...