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    Haha yeah... I probably should've read the setup thread, and thought more on the setup ... >.<

    (Not knowing setup is slack maybe @Stealthbomber16 btw, but it isn't inherently scummy!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I found all effort that I could have given pointless.
    Neverrrrr give uppppppppp!!!

    (NB I'm crazy and I dont necessarily endorse this as the sanest choose of action for mental health but)
    even 'sure' lynches can swing to someone else if effort comes across legit and genuine, I was hedging a bit on you for exactly that reason - if you'd pulled the Ika case outta your ass and fought hard it coulda been a tough fight!

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Oh and @Cass -great job as a new player really digging into the game. I hope you stick around. I really enjoy players like you in games.
    lol <3 ! If I knew what was good for me I'd be on hiatus also, but the volume here promised to be easier to keep up and I'd never tried a cult game and yzb sucked me in

    I don't think it went too bad

    Not sure how to take the 'players like you' since my bazillion questions approach is probably often a cluttery distraction and I envy players who can tone down paranoia, stay on one track and be succinct but thanks

    I actually intended to try and change style here but lolme, bad habits die hard :eyeroll:

    Aaaaand I just deleted quotes. lolphoneposting
    @ika

    Spoiler : copypasta :
    - i got to say you are a sporatic player who has a intresting playstyle. I foudn that as games go on you seem to narrow it down. i also seen that in your scum play you seemt o rely more or less on choaching scum buddies and interacting with them. now people have both a town and scum emta of you in a single game. i hope to see you around and that you get a chance to play with my better half silverwolf when (more like if) she goes of haitus.


    Ya I think I'm generally get less hectic the more information comes out and the more I've interacted with everyone/burnt myself out chasing tinfoil.

    Sporadic availability comes from work and RL in most cases and unfortunately can't be helped unless I ignore the need to sleep at some point during a game

    Where's the scum meta come from? I wouldn't say I coach anyone ITT generally? I do like interacting with my buddies when scum but find most of that happens out of thread/in planning since I like a coherent team and generally hate to bus.

    @Quick

    Spoiler : quote copypasta :
    I agree. @Cass , you did great! I sorta could see you were a little more Scummy D3, but I prolly wouldn't have been able to tell if I was Town. You kinda overcompensated and were posting a ton but it wasn't really as potent stuff, but it didn't make anyone Scum read you so you did well


    Yeah.... it was hard to adjust when my biggest theory after rereading overnight suddenly got proven and became total taboo!!! I figured I still needed to appear, just didn't want to push any specific angle too hard, I'm with you that it was wolfy!

    Ftr it was actually your insistence D2 that Ika was scum that gave me the confidence to push through with my gut on him, I was so disappointed you 'weren't around' to switch the lynch to there with me D2 lol WP
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Quick-Why do you have to ruin the fun?
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Excuse me, but i was legit confused as fuck.
    ^^^^ all my tinfoil on SP's pushes exploded all at once

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Also, LOL at me hammering all three days.
    Lol good job! I was posting on mobile getting ready for kids party, hoping you'd be around so we could end Gyr's misery, totally missed Ika's vote/the fact he could switch, came back to add vote and game over !!

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    If you would of put forth a case on ika, you would of been better off.
    ^ I agree with this
    Tbh Quick pushing Ika D2 and then not switching vote when it was viable at the EOD was a thing that tipped me big time.

    I was ready to crush him, and so lololnoooocranky to see I was converted for D3 - WP on that front Ika CL Sir ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    And the suffering ended.
    *Bring brownies*

    Sorry Gyr!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Nuance, right, I guess I can try and take a stab at it.

    I was also unaware that the setup was popular majority... so now we have had like 4 times where people haven't known exactly what the setup is. They can't all be Scum. Point I am making is that I was well within reasonable range when I said not knowing the setup is NAI. I know this especially because I myself have been in many games as Town where I didn't know the setup very well and really only took a glance at it. If anything it is more Townie for me that Scummy. So what I am saying here is that it is player dependent. Does Fire seem like the type of guy to carefully look over the setu each and every time or not? Its an honest question, I actually want to know what you think here.

    Second of all, for every game you see me play passively I will give you 8 games that were me playing aggressive af. I might not do it here and it might not be what I am known for here, but believe me, go take a look at the beginning of the Spirits game. I also do have the ability to play calm and collected and I usually play better when I do, but I don't play that way as often because it is not as fun for me.





    "Do not follow me lest you become a fool" means "I have some seriously weird ways of doing things/looking at things so if you are planning to follow me and do what I do, lol, good luck." Part of that is that I don't really push wagons. Its a weak part of my game admittedly and why I am kept alive even when I am widely Town read and have decent reads.

    To wrap this up, you need to go back and read some of the game I have played, possibly a game or two off site to get a better picture of how I play. IDK how many games I have played with you, but I know its not many. In short, you are using a meta read to read me and the meta you are using isn't even accurate.

    Questions: what do you think of SB giving Mesk a Town read when Mesk literally had not posted once in this game day?

    What's your read on SB and why?

    If I am Scum, who am I teamed with?
    I like the thought process and tone behind the first bold and question.

    Not so much the last one.


    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    the basic of what has happened today is that stealth scum reads quick/gry
    i scum read qucik/gry and to an extent yzb
    gry suspects me for fabricated and survivlaisum reasoning
    cass said a bunch of stuff that i would have to kinda go reread real quick but it was scatter shot.

    @Cass who are your top scum reads and why?

    im now catching up and will respond to it all
    My head is full of all sorts of possi-theories at the moment and I want a reread of notes before I make a call but GTH

    Gyr still hasn't done anything to clear himself and his flip flop votes on Stealth/Ika are possible distancing/WIFOM /I think if he's cultist there's a good chance he'd be bussed for cred. Unless we come up with a stronger suspect for CL (I still think it's possible but the slip makes it more likely he's convert imo) he's our best bet for today. TLDR I don't see a world where his play to here is Town but I'm holding off vote for now, I think we need input from as many players as possible before EOD.

    I'm back and forwards on Stealth/Ika/yzb. Ika mostly for disappearing ALL CAPS outburst D1 seeming OTT and ?itrelevant? game theory focus yesterday.

    Stealth/YZB/Quick need re-read. I have small triggers for each of them and think they're good options for converts but D1 play for each was pretty solid and I'm not sure they'd be CL.

    Mesk is a ? . I want more info/reads from her. D1 could go either way. I didn't hate focus D2 and can excuse absence as vacation is probably a valid thing, but AFAICT D3 has only involved saying I'm potential convert/seems narrower in focus than D2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    HI, how's it going..... i will be around tonight and around for eod this time
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Makes sense as she would be the hardest to read consistent wise.
    Wtf was the fb Lynch.... gyrlander would have been so better
    @Mesk

    Can you answer the question in #702 please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Lmao there isn't going to be a Lynch... I wouldn't recommend It.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Dunno what universe where a nolynch is good. But only 3/4 mins left.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    @Mesk514

    @Mesk514

    Come hammer pls if you're alive.

    FTR hated Gyr's pop-in here but had it down as probably TWTBAW

    And @yzb25 , you kept asking others to jump on SP D1 right before EoD as well. Did ask but don't think you answered. Why?

    \o/ For caught up!!!


    I'll be back to gather thoughts and stuff after chores tomorrow. Er. Today >.<

    Ninight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Imma flop between yzb, fb and gyrlander for a bit today
    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    Yesterday you voted Stealth before FB pushed hard for the SP train; why had he dropped from your focus by this point today?
    Last post with this objective was all sorts of messed up >.< so Take 2

    @Mesk

    ^ Questions!

    Happy end of Holidays!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Until every one checks in, hard to say. I will say that I feel good about a Scum lynch today. Reason for this is that we have the best shot at hitting Scum based on the numbers ie. 3v4. That said it is LyLo and if a single Town votes for Town then Scum can dive bomb and triple vote to end the game, so we have to be careful.

    Why are you Scum reading me all the sudden? You say you are Null reading me but it seems like you are leaning Scum. What is different from my game across all three days (if you think there is a difference). Otherwise, why do you think I could be CL?

    The reads I have are kinda jumbled atm. I am trying to Scum hunt to get a better idea on people. Really its up in the air since I see some pretty bad things on everyone who has posted in this game day. I still like Ika as Scum and that prolly isn't going away. It makes compromise lynch's hard to deal with since people were Town readin Ika for IDK what reason, they all seem like garbage reason to me. If Ika is CL, then he could literally have recruited anyone. IDK how Ika plays Scum and who he would chose, but I think he might go the unconventional route.

    So top priority is see how people are reading Ika and get to the bottom of why. I will try and be more active this game day since its LyLo.
    Ok for reads being jumbled, I'm in the same boat.

    Why so defensive? Me questioning you doesn't mean I'm Scum reading you or think you're CL. I'm questioning everyone :P

    Ftr my thoughts on you from D1 still stand. I've mindmelded with a lot of your progressions both days and find myself nodding with a lot of your posts both days. Had some concern with your vote on FB contradicting the order of your reads list, but on re-read your follow up posts show clear thought process wrt the available trains, other than that all I have against your name is a couple of posts where tone made me o.O momentarily and that's not enough to call you scum. You're a *watch with popcorn* for the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Okay, I prefer FB.

    Notice I never said I scumread FB for pushing these trashy questions. They are a site-wide issue >.>
    So talking more about setup than scum hunting is NAI?

    WRT Ika, specifically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...221-Death-Note

    This was my re-introductory game and I believe my first game with Gyr, this being my second.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    You're voting Gyr based on:

    1) A town meta he doesn't actually have. In most games he plays very passive/quietly throughout the whole game.
    2) His lack of contribution. There is absolutely no correlation between contribution-levels and scummyness, and the droves of towns who get mislynched stand as testimony.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Furthermore, Gyr is a heavily inconsistent player when it comes to motivation. Taking his most contribution-heavy towngame and comparing it to the mean towngame (this one) is obviously going to give you something off-looking.
    Quoting this for reference.

    Sorry for rushing, need to get to bed.

    @yzb25 My point wasn't contribution levels so much as no identifiable Town motive for what's been posted here. WHAT made/makes you so sure Gyr is Town?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Yeah, really don't know why people aren't listening to me on Ika read, I feel like I have proven myself on this site at this point. Last game I played here I was nominated twice for awards for that single game. That shows I at least don't suck at this game and people should be at least hearing me out.




    There are almost always reasons for Susing people, its cutting through the BS and getting to the stuff that actually tells if someone is Scum or Town. I have almost at minimum 3 times the experience that you have if you have played 20 games. I have 56(?) games completed. In my siggy you can see my wiki with almost all my experience with win rates and stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    My wiki isn't in my sig, that's from another site.

    Here's my wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...icketyQuickety
    Can't tell if this is legit relevant or fluff, but will give you that you have more experience. Didn't see anything in skim of Wiki that says you prefer/are better at hunting for Town, but did see that you go on instinct, which this fits.

    Gonna put your calling me Town at NAI for now and watch with popcorn.

    What are your current reads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Yo, present. Not much time to quote posts, sorry.

    Cass, you seem to be misunderstanding the FB case. I'm saying his reaction at the EOD1 was an emotional reaction to getting scumread on day 1 after all the past problems. It has nothing to do with self pres.

    The whole bottom third of the wallpost was explaining the inconsistencies in a town!perspective of his mesk read and the scum!perspective of a mesk read. Your question is like reading the conclusion to an essay and asking "wait, where's the reasoning again?"

    And yes, you do seem tired as fuck :P

    I posted that thing about SB in case he got in here and started hardpushing a train off FB.
    Bite me on the being tired :P

    I'm staying up too late again tonight, but ftr I reread and ok for the reasoning behind Mesk read, my problem was with calling it TMI.

    I took FB's ALL CAPS EoD1 as more pushing through a lynch, which could've gone either way, and would've been pretty OTT for CL.
    And the point about self pres was that it would've been more scummy if it had been for self pres reasons, and that saying it was scummy otherwise is/was possi-reachy imo.

    Do you have reads/Where are you at today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    Have skimmed but probably don't have time to quote and reply to everything.

    Off the top of my head.

    @Stealthbomber16 can you explain your progression on Ika?/Mesk


    How is Ika's CAPS OUTBURST enough to overrule the concern you had about his reads list and put him as top Town?

    Why did you encourage Mesk to reconsider/don't you think Firebringer is a good lynch today? AFAICT the reason you've given is 'tone' ?

    Spoiler : already answered :
    But you also contradicted, saying that one post you really didn't like felt natural?

    Unless I've missed it you haven't answered the questions I had about that earlier?
    @Stealthbomber16

    These too pls (if possible can you quote the original questions in reply?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    @Gyrlander

    Spoiler : snip :
    What makes you say your play has been more towny this game?
    I don't have problem with you 'defending yourself, or casting votes'.

    I do have problems with the facts that:
    - you've given EZTOWN reads - for use of gifs and a TR on you;
    - you haven't given reasons for your votes other than the one on yzb which was initially OMGUS - though I did like the reasoning of the afterthought, the fact it was an afterthought makes it more null for me;
    - you haven't pushed at players until Mesk - and that seems like an afterthought.
    - you moved from voting Yzb who had no other votes to JOINING him as 3rd on the Mesk train, with no elaboration or pushing of Mesk as scum before this.
    - you miss EoD and lord the 'I knew SP was Town' on return but
    - Don't elaborate on your thoughts wrt the whole player base

    And then, in comparison with the other game, when you've been Town you
    - Focus more on scum reads/giving reasons why scum - and on more players
    - Give solid reasons for Town reads / not willing to lynch players
    - List full reads

    So I have a problem with the differences


    Can you:

    Elaborate on why Mesk is your no. 1 lynch and answer earlier question on why you shifted to her from YZB?

    Give a reads list so we know where your head is at; and

    link me to another scum game pls?
    @Gyrlander ^ Q's
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    i want @Cass or stelathbomber to come in here.

    i really wish sw was here though at least then i would have conficence in reading things right and not be parnaoid
    Why did you want me/Stealthbomber here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    What I know of Gyr is that all he does, like literally all he does as Scum is shit post. When he actually makes any effort at all to solve the game it really makes him looks incredibly Townie.
    I didn't get an 'incredibly Townie' vibe from the ISO of the other game, where he was Town, but I definitely got a 'not solving the game' vibe here, since D1. Why do you Town read him earlier here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I don't have a lot of experience playing with Ika, but my general assumption is that he is typically more abrasive as Scum than as Town. I've played in one game where it was a tell for me when he was 3p and another where he was Town where he was just totally content to lurk and give minimal content. I look for when people's emotions run high when reading people. I know another guy off site who flips out when he is Town so its different for different people, but basically, emotions are really hard to fake and are usually outside the scope of how people approach the game when they are Scum or Town so if you can read the emotion, you can read the player. Here, I still haven't seen much from Ika that tells me he is Town.
    So by this logic, the ALL CAPS rage of Ika's D1 would be truly emotional and hard to fake, or closer to his 3P play?

    (Anyone?) It still strikes me as potentially OTT/fake/scummy but with people contradicting that with meta it's a o.O


    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I am not used to seeing people who have the amount of experience that you do to provide such legit new info with wall posts and the like as Scum. IDK about your Scum game, but you seem the type that is just obv Town when you are Town, so going based off that.
    Mehh. Point still stands that there are understandable reasons for sussing me if you don't have perfect info/do have a suspicious mind. It happens every game so you not questioning whether I'm sincere or not feels off.

    How much experience do you have/how many games have you played?
    Are you usually more adept at finding Town or Scum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    IDK. I think you are Town. I am kinda undecided on FB. So, yeah, I think he is a better option than you because I am null reading him and I am Town reading you.

    Remember what I said last game about you really only Scum hunting when you are Town? This post is a great example of that.
    @Quick - can you explain what you mean by the bold, and why you were Town reading Gyr before this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    how the FUCK did i not notice this
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Also: answering the Firebringer meta question that I forgot to address:

    Firebringer claims PR no matter if he is a PR, Citizen, or scum. It's the truest definition of NAI there is anywhere.
    1. Whyyyyyy would you bring this up now, instead of pressuring him for more reads???
    2. If FB claiming PR is 'the truest definition of NAI' why did you find it scummy?

    And just out of sheer curiousity/for future reference/can discuss post game - is there a pattern to when he claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I have not played enough games with yzb for a good meta read. My point is based solely off of his play so far in this game.

    Fuck, he's a cultist now.


    I think that Gyr lacked a good train for a day and then began progressing mesk for reasons I stated the day before. In my experience, Gyr had his scumread day 1 and was tunneling her hardcore.


    I think ika is town and mesk is null leaning town.


    I explained it in the post but I will elaborate.

    Every time I thought about FB over the night I was very cautious. When doing an ISO on his post, that post, which I previously denoted as scummy, I noticed had a 3 minute gap between it and the next one. I feel like 3 minutes is a fitting amount of time to go from this thread to the setup thread and do a quick readthrough to see what PR roles are in the setup.

    Not knowing the setup before the game is scummy in its own right, but thats a topic for postgame.
    1. Ok Ok for meta, but <.< for suggesting that not being passive would be a bad thing
    2. Isn't that just what he's done here? (Tunneled Mesk)?
    3. You actually already answered the Ika Town/Mesk Null too. Sorry I should've just snipped to what I was still waiting on answers for, which was WHY didn't you like that post, if you read it as natural. Ok for the natural actually being related to the next post.
    4. And I'll totally talk to you about setup ignorance postgame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I really liked how FB posted because it just seemed like a natural town response, much like your townread on me, or to a lesser extent, ika. The one post that I really didn't like yesterday was the one where he supposedly went back to the setup to check to see what PR he just claimed. The time between him posting his PR claim and him saying "there are no PRs" was about 3 minutes, and to me that seems natural. But that's just one post, it may not convince you all the way.

    Overall its just kind of a gut feeling, and the way he lead the mislynch on secondpassing may have been a mislynch but it was done in a balls deep fashion that no cult leader would do. Unless he was converted last night I seriously doubt fire is cult.

    As for lynch candidate, I propose gyrlander with a backup option of mesk being a possible cultist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Full reads list at this point in the game
    Me
    ika

    yzb
    firebringer
    cass

    mesk
    quick
    gyrlander
    At this point I want a quick or gyrlander lynch and a mesk lynch would be alright, but I won't actively push it.
    @Stealthbomber16

    Can you explain your progression on Quick, with examples? Looking at your ISO, after liking some of his earlier responses, you give no reason other than maybe it's his avatar (D1)/can't think of anything noteworthy he's done all game (D2)? I didn't initially get his emphasis on 3p but am less bothered by that now and D1 the only other thing really standing out is the push on the SP Matt-is-stealthbomber post, which is likely TWTBAW/didn't have scummy tone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Yesterday I thought that my tone when I was town was incredible townie but now you vote me lmao

    Anyway, you mentioned probably the two people that have the smallest content, while it is somehow a valid way of finding Bad people I think you should try to find people who are scummy no matter their contribution ;)))!););) O lbl
    FTR, my issues with you aren't related to low volume so much that the content in your low volume doesn't give me anything with which to read you Town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Ika is town, Mesk is null leaning town now that she's participating in the conversation.

    I do think she has quite the valid case against you, and if your rebuttal is going to be that she should look toward people who have contributed more then you've earned yourself a vote.
    -vote Gyrlander
    Agreed with SB on these, waiting for Stealth's elaboration on Gyr read compared to meta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    None of the claim seemed natural for me.

    The difficulty is deciding whether it was scummy, or whether there's validity in it coming from a Town perspective.

    FB didn't treat it like a serious reaction test as far as I can tell, and that somewhat reduces the chance it's Towny, unless it's a specific meta thing for him.

    (halp)?

    Both yourself and @yzb25 unvoted him after his claim and that series of posts, and I still don't understand why.

    Also, can you explain the contradiction with the bold 'the one post I really didn't like... .seemed natural' ?
    @Stealthbomber16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Imma flop between yzb, fb and gyrlander for a bit today
    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    What seemed blindingly Town about me that game, to you?

    FTR I think both yzb and FB had understandable reasons to doubt me, for all they don't equal me being scum.

    You being so certain of my alignment is disconcerting.

    Agree with the strategy of hunting for CL on re-read.
    This was @Quick . Can you answer the bold underlined?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Imma flop between yzb, fb and gyrlander for a bit today
    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    @Stealthbomber16

    Yesterday you voted Stealth before FB pushed hard for the SP train; why had he dropped from your focus by this point today?
    @ika , ^

    Happy End of Holidays!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    It is because a cl setup it's perfect to fall back on.

    How about you give me something better then it's shit?

    I mean litarly his entire read list he made there is an easy way to cult outside of it and push every lynch with no blame on himself. How about you address the points in full
    @ika
    AFAICT, these reads haven't developed since D1 - What are your thoughts on other players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Dumb argument. I'm not going to have a back and forth with you over this.

    I will just say Ika's tone seems a bit too abrasive for me to just hand him a town read for nothing.
    What are the differences if any between IkaTown and IkaScum for you?
    IIRC Ika said earlier that he reads you well. Is the reverse the same?

    What do you make of the ALL CAPS outburst D1? Is abrasive an Ika-specific tell, or a general thing you read as scummy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I can declare that I have NO idea. I would just random lynch at this point. Plus anyone could be converted so my reads of yesterday aren't valid.

    Ewwww cultist games.
    Random lynch?
    This is either scummy excuse/avoidance or Town prematurely giving up.

    The Town game I read of yours didn't have declarations like this, and it did have you giving opinions on others.

    Are you caught up with the whole game here?
    Can you link me to a second Town game and a Scum game of yours pls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I've never seen Gyr as scum. Do you think his play this game resembles past experiences of scum!gyr?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I don't think it resembles towngyr.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Can you share your perception of towngyr without damaging your chances of getting a read on gyr?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    He's usually a bit more stubborn. He won't flip flop. By now he should have a dedicated train and he should've been pushing it since like mid-day 1.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Errrr

    Are we talking about the same gyr???

    I swear he's not the type to push people or be stubborn about his reads???
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You probably know him better than I do. I just remember that one game where we lynched ika day 1 and he tunneled silverwolf day 2.
    Ok, I've posted most of my issues with Gyr. FTR I still think he has scum equity but he's also possibly easy mislynch/low hanging fruit and there are inconsistencies here I want to clear up.

    @Stealthbomber16 - What are you classing as 'flip flop' with Gyr? And does his progression on Mesk not fit the description of dedicated train?

    @yzb25 - Gyr being stubborn about his Mesk reads is one of my issues. Voted possi-opportunistically after you (who he'd been previously voting for OMGUS/your PL push on him) D1 with no reasons, and followed it up with repeat vote D2 out the gate.

    @Gyr - Can you explain your progression on Mesk each day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I suppose it would be you then. You're consistent on everyone's townreads (except quick) and I know you are experienced enough to hide as scum, as well as potentially lead a mislynch, which is where yzb falls short. If his passive demeanor were to change hard it would be considered scummy.
    @Stealthbomber16 - can you elaborate on the bold underlined? Is there a meta reason for this, or just your general theory?

    Torn between tinfoil on both sides here.

    Ftr first read through I thought this could be potential fearmongering on Stealth's part/discouraging confidence in yzb, but this reduces if it's backed with reasoning/meta.
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    My brain right now on reread:


    Who's more scummy????
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    Let's dooooooo this party peeeeople!!

    Get pumped! We're still the majority and can still pull this off, we just need focus and interaction, let's go, let's go, let's go!

    I'm here for maybe half an hour and then need bed.

    Almost a whole day off tomorrow though \o/

    @Gyrlander

    If you're still here, what are your thoughts? Who's Town? Who's Scum?

    Can you answer yesterday's questions pls?
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    Ftr FB as a lynch is fine, not FB doesn't look scummy
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    My vote only matters by itself if I want to rng between FB and gyr, which I don't.

    FB over Gyr

    Ika/FB as preference

    FB is fine

    Will go Ika if others will switch

    and fuudifigpjpjpjpjphg time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Exactly, which is why I keep repeating my argument has nothing to do with self pres >.<

    Honestly, FB lying down is pretty null.

    And "Who's your pick from Stealth/Ika/FB"?! Seriously?! XD
    Yes, seriously.

    You've tunneled on FB yesterday and today but your vote yesterday contradicts that.

    The tunnel could be legit or convenient. Ika is bothering me and I feel like you haven't focused enough they're even though he pushes the same sort of convert hunt agenda you pushed FB for today.
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    Looks like most viable RN are Ika/FB

    I'm uneasy about both/could go either
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    There's only 15 mins left btw.
    These posts aren't ever helpful :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Yo, present. Not much time to quote posts, sorry.

    Cass, you seem to be misunderstanding the FB case. I'm saying his reaction at the EOD1 was an emotional reaction to getting scumread on day 1 after all the past problems. It has nothing to do with self pres.

    The whole bottom third of the wallpost was explaining the inconsistencies in a town!perspective of his mesk read and the scum!perspective of a mesk read. Your question is like reading the conclusion to an essay and asking "wait, where's the reasoning again?"

    And yes, you do seem tired as fuck :P

    I posted that thing about SB in case he got in here and started hardpushing a train off FB.

    Who's your pick from Stealth/Ika/FB?

    Why not the other two?


    And if you're going to push FB I repeat my concern/town possibilities:

    Lynching SP wasn't (?) self pres, lynch would've gone to anyone with the most votes, and unless I'm wrong that wasn't FB at the time?

    You say SP was a valid lynch

    I think it's less likely CL sticks their neck out to hammer home a mislynch D1.

    Does FB lie down as Town?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    If I'm reading your post correctly you are misunderstanding everything.

    Go read the first page and click setup and read that and come back. I don't fully understand what you are thinking ATM so I'm just gonna direct you to the setup itself
    What am I misunderstanding?

    initial thought process was there were only two teams.

    Now I'm considering CL is more a survivor who is more likely than I credited to use/abuse the scum they create.

    And Scum can't win without keeping CL alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Full reads list at this point in the game
    Me
    ika

    yzb
    firebringer
    cass

    mesk
    quick
    gyrlander
    At this point I want a quick or gyrlander lynch and a mesk lynch would be alright, but I won't actively push it.
    Why is Ika Town?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I feel good about Cass. Don't see any change from D1 to D2.

    I don't feel bad about Gyr. Seems like typical Town!Gyr to me.

    IDK why SB thinks I am Scummy, which is concerning.

    Ika is just really Meh and I expect decent content from him and I am not seeing it here. Top pick atm.

    Fire is hard for me to read in general, could go either way.

    yzb hasn't put out the solid performance we saw from him D1, maybe? Still leaning Town though.

    And Mesk is just plain not here.

    I support this post, with the exception that I can't clear Gyr.

    Could maybe go Ika over Stealth, but why would CL draw push you over easier lynches like Gyr/Mesk/FB ?

    FB is a conundrum.

    Who's your pick from Stealth/Ika/FB?
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    Confirmation from anyone that I'm understanding setup correctly would be nice.

    *Giant Facepalm*
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    Holy heebie jeebies, DADV and potential pushing easy mislynches Batman.

    Complete YOLO here and darnit I'm supposed to be driving but


    IF the two non Town factions are separate, inB4 it's

    -vote Stealthbomer16
    and Quick
    Secondary YOLO Stealth /Yzb (assuming I'm reading correctly that Yzb is nullish/Town with caveat reading Stealth right now

    Long game theory goes CL would need to distance from their cultists and cultists need to keep their CL alive.

    Hence Stealth scum reading Quick but voting Gyr
    And Quick null on Stealth but voting FB

    OR it could still be as simple as Gyr/Mesk/FB

    But YOLO is more fun

    @Gyrlander , @Firebringer if you are Town your job here is to hunt scum and not just lie down and accept a mislynch.
    If you're Scum continue lying down.

    Someone tell me if accepting a lynch is something either FB or Gyr do more as scum than Town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    it boilds down to the wincons themself



    a CL/cultist might not be aware that the wincon is to jsut see the CL dead and threfor would make that post.

    do i make more sense? its late so im tired and i always feel like i dont when im tired
    Wait.

    IS the wincon just to see the CL dead?

    Or CL and Cultists aren't considered the same team/don't win together?


    Making CL 3P?

    And Cultists Scum?

    Is this something we can ask the mod ITT? / get confirmation on? @MattZed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebringer View Post
    Don't you mean I am not risk averse at all?
    Risk averse means I play the safe route.

    Also appreciate all the comments here. You make me blush.
    That this is FB's last post is somewhat sus.

    Where's the TL push from yesterday, if Town?

    In combination with earlier criticisms of EZTownReads and the ????PR Claim

    @Firebringer - have you explained why that was ever going to be beneficial to Town from your perspective?

    I'm ok with FB being the lynch today if nothing changes.

    So yeah.

    Pretty much still happiest with Mesk/FB/Gyr.


    Go Go Go with any other theories/gut reads Town peeps!
    I gotta drive and have appointment an hour before Deadline. I should be able to follow on mobile after drive (2hrs) and be here half hourish before EoD.

    GLGLGL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I feel good about Cass. Don't see any change from D1 to D2.

    I don't feel bad about Gyr. Seems like typical Town!Gyr to me.

    IDK why SB thinks I am Scummy, which is concerning.

    Ika is just really Meh and I expect decent content from him and I am not seeing it here. Top pick atm.

    Fire is hard for me to read in general, could go either way.

    yzb hasn't put out the solid performance we saw from him D1, maybe? Still leaning Town though.

    And Mesk is just plain not here.


    I'm liking Quick for Town but see him as potential for convert.

    If so, biggest FoS at Gyr and FB
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    I'm mobile ATM (sw is alseep and I can move without waking her)

    But when I look at yzb 623(?) post it looks like he scum slipped by thinking if fire flips cult leader that we then need to hunt cultist.

    Also quick seems way to confident in that lull is tommorw cus case still has not answered the question (nor yzb or did he I don't recall) and I know I have not answered it cus there is a potential way it could not happen
    How is that a scum slip?

    I don't see either cultist or recruit forgetting the objective for their destruction is the CL being flipped.

    /shrug
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    I have both CL and conversion-possibility tinfoil on yzb but think he's probably a VERY obvious ?and therefore discardable choice? for convert, and am not confident that my tinfoil overrules his Town appearance D1 enough for him to actually be CL.

    Want to see answers to the Mesk read being 'informed'

    Is that a thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    -vote Firebringer


    Summary of main points:

    1) Mesk read looks informed.

    2) EOD1 outburst looks like scum!Firebringer getting triggered by traumatic past of scum losses.

    If these points feel unsubstantiated, it's probably because you didn't read the massive fucking wallpost 5 posts above this.
    Have read your wallpost.

    Don't disagree that there's potential for FB to be CL.

    Have some issues with the aggressive ALL CAPS CONSIDER NOONE ELSE push ending in a mislynch.

    Find your take on it a little pot calling the kettle black though.

    Was FB in enough danger that it was a move for self pres? If so scum equity increases imo, but that's from a push lynch for self-pres perspective, I don't see what you're getting at about a trigger from past losses?

    You mention there not being another viable lynch, and reading back I probably agree, so why would ScumFB have been panicking? and where would TownFB have gone?

    Not discounting the meta you've imparted suggesting he's bold enough to make the move as scum, but considering it could also be fearmongering if you yourself are scum.



    WRT

    1) Mesk read looks informed
    Informed which way???????? And how do you know???

    IIRC your wall post said the problem you had was contradiction with FB calling Mesk Town for lazy and then voting her D2 for the same thing. Don't have a problem with that being problematic, but it doesn't equal informed.

    Switched to Ika suggests he's pushing the strategy of hunting for converts, which is more easily manipulated because it hinges on 'possibility' rather than analysis of actual thread events.

    TLDR Anyone have a problem with FB / Gyr lynches as lead trains for today?
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    Have skimmed but probably don't have time to quote and reply to everything.

    Off the top of my head.

    @Stealthbomber16 can you explain your progression on Ika?/Mesk


    How is Ika's CAPS OUTBURST enough to overrule the concern you had about his reads list and put him as top Town?

    Why did you encourage Mesk to reconsider/don't you think Firebringer is a good lynch today? AFAICT the reason you've given is 'tone' ?

    But you also contradicted, saying that one post you really didn't like felt natural?

    Unless I've missed it you haven't answered the questions I had about that earlier?
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