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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    -vote S-FM krabby person
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM punchy View Post
    what mrmpht
    I am not infected
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    rip quetz, I'm sorry

    It was the Mireska townread comments that clinched it for me
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    May the Sc2Mafia gods have mercy on us all

    -vote S-FM Quetzalcoatl
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    Ha! Yeah thats true
    Sticking with Quetz, I presume?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    I'd recommend just to stop thinking about the game and go have fun with your weekends, all the cards (basically) are on the table so I (and pringles to some extent) are the only ones who really have things left to do
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM punchy View Post
    im already tired out from this to be honest. mrmpht. i think we have the information for mmxx to make an informed hammer but if you insist on waiting i respect that.
    If pringles said he was ready, I would have made a decision, but with how much time we have, no reason to deny a last argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    Yeah gonna play Gaia Project. Wish me luck
    Nice, have fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Quetzalcoatl View Post
    Lol ok. I'll answer questions if you have some. And just saying, I need to go soon, so don't scream "FLEEING SCUM" when I go please.
    No such screams will occur, I think this has been a tough and honorably played game

    Just need to close the last curtain, whatever the result will be
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    A bit being anywhere from 8 minutes to 8 hours
    Sure thing, enjoy your family time - more important and no harm in waiting given how much time we have

    Except for my poor stressed-out heart but I'll live
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    Cookies are for closers.
    Do you rest your case upon this chocolate chip cookie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM punchy View Post
    your honor mrmpht. id like to bring up the case of Wisconsin v Blinkskater
    What a shameful case that was
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Cool, now that the defendants have stopped shouting at each I'll wait for the lawyers to close
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    Either enter the thunderdome prepared, or don't enter the thunderdome at all.
    This was more of a mechanical thunderdome tbf
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    pringles, your time is now
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Blueberry townread Quetzal in D2
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Also just to be clear I won't lynch until I hear closing arguments from punchy / pringles
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    The only thing I see from Mireska on d1 that is relevant now is the thing with krabby

    Where are you all conjuring the rest from
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    I hope to hammer within the next few hours at least to get this over with

    Unless you have arguments that you need more time for (let me know), please present your primary thoughts in the near-future
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    Answer this



    Why would I hammer my own infected immediately if I were scientist? It doesn't make mechanical sense to go after my scum partner at all.
    I don't put much stock in this argument, read my longer post from earlier today
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    I am getting certain concerns now from Quetz's day 3 posts that I am not getting from Krab's
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    We've got two players here who scum read ice cream and are now trying to absolve themselves of his flip and push the blame elsewhere

    Thats WAY more scummy than me "setting up LYLO" by pushing for ice cream to die

    Unfortunately they cant both be scum so its hard to make a decision here
    I was feeling this so hard, even with considering pringles as well and before the mechanical 50/50
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    ffs both krabs and quetz tried to push pressure on pringles today as well

    will the similarities (in my head at least) never end
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Also what would really help me is if you could present a coherent scum narrative for your preference
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    punchy, your thoughts on why Krab's day 3 was worse than Quetz's

    I know you mentioned the ending post for one but could use a full consolidation

    (sorry, rereading day 3 rn so kinda stream of consciousness)
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    Im really glad that both pretzel and krabs backed off of me. I was terrified of thinking of trying to convince MMXX
    Like I said, I was considering all my options and wasn't leaning any way at the time

    At least I'm glad we ended up with this mechanical confirmation of you and punchy (unless either of you is just trolling for fun now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Quetzalcoatl View Post
    I kinda raised doubts on you too before you became confirmed doctor
    You were in the towncore and I was being pressured
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Quetzalcoatl View Post
    My vote is locked on Krabs from now on. Time to go read just before he went even more AFK than me, after getting cleared by everyone because of his good reaction to our push on him.
    And yeah feel free to make cases on one another
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Quetzalcoatl View Post
    My vote is locked on Krabs from now on. Time to go read just before he went even more AFK than me, after getting cleared by everyone because of his good reaction to our push on him.
    Obv you two have to keep your votes locked on each other
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    I've got ~1.5 days to flip a coin

    fk me
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    What's your opinion on this? Please let the rest of us know.
    I really need to look at your posts today again and would appreciate the same type of analysis from pringles and punchy

    On the one hand, I was the first to raise doubts about Quetz (a long, long time ago) but ofc I shouldn't let that bias me
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    TOWN TAKEOVER

    TOWN TAKEOVER

    TOWN TAKEOVER

    -vote S-FM Krabby Person
    you are a troll
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Maybe Quetz is precisely my scum headcanon of getting in towncore and then coasting

    Ughhh
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    LITERALLY EVERY PLAYER IS HERE AND NO HAMMER, I GUESS THIS CONFIRMS IT'S KRABS OR QUETZ

    FK I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN

    (UNLESS PRINGLES DOES SCUM TAKEOVER RIGHT NOW)
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM punchy View Post
    there is a tremendous amount of flip flopping mrmpht.
    Ok cool, this post confirms you're not scientist
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    ffs I dislike Krabs and Quetz both for showing limited progression on reads (esp with respect to me) and their day 3s
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    So uhhh, I'm going to chill a bit
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Wait wtf lol both Krabs and Quetz are on L-1
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM punchy View Post
    let me preface this by being very clear. mrmpht. this lynch today from my perspective is pretzel and crab man but ill start with mmxx.

    the primary reason mmxx striked me as a tpr is that they played with complete impunity up and curtness up until the end of day two. i usually mark these two characteristics as being scum or tpr related. this is the same confidence and recurring theme thats being brought up now but just against another player. while a lynch-train started gaining considerable momentum isod both players hre and mmxx at the time to see what made the most sense. hre was all over the place and mmxx instead doubled back to explain his side of things. its like i said day one. i think it is an important quality for town to be able to protect tpr roles through wifom but when that failed i didnt really have much of a choice other than to explicitly state how i read them. hre seemed infinitely more scummy than mmxx at the time a we proceeded towards day two.

    with that im moving to mmxx headspace



    people dont become a town leader unless there is largely a following or belief in that persons towniness. there was only one point this entire game where i feel pringles wasnt completely followed and that is when i advocated against mmxx being lynched. its because of this that i dont see why pringles is now suddenly a villain for doing what any town leader should be doing. for pretzel i think its apathy. for crab i think its scum paint.

    those two have been like a big sitcom. a weird hate-love-sheep screenplay where pretzel says he hates crab. forgets about crab. gets sheeped by crab and then changes his lynch candidate. but i think pretzel has atleast offered reasons for his reads or was capable of fleshing them out. more specifically to crab man: you literally hammered on ice cream and didnt explain why.



    i understand the context of the situation but when you close the thread like this after trying to get the doctor lynched the same day you can see how it might a little suspicious. this vote was almost 100% in response to pringles and then you start the day off gunning for them. it just seems like a cognitive disconnect to do one thing and then question it the next day. and really why are you two so regretful of a lynch on a person who you both mentioned multiple times being antitown in lylo. why is this alternative universe being used to scumpaint pringles.

    anyway
    -vote S-FM krabby person
    for me
    Clearing up some misconceptions about my post (maybe it was my fault for not being clear or saying more). I did not mean to imply that pringles is my top target today, I'm still very undecided. The point I was trying to say about Quetz's point is that it's at least a little similar to how I'm trying to approach this day, and with respect to pringles that means evaluating the slot's approach as town leader.

    While it is true that Quetz and Krabs strike me as weird due to being similar (before today) in my mind, that just raises doubts for me and helps keep pringles on the table as an option. In fact i'd probably say that if the similarity pair was pringles and one of them (adjusted), then the odd one out would be my top target to start with.

    To be quite honest, I do think my day 2 was sufficient enough to warrant serious evaluation or at least some kind of response post. All I got told by Krabs and Quetz was basically "nothing much / not enough", iirc, which really bothers me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    To give where my headspace is at: There still seems to be a decent amount of discussion on things like "have I/you been towny this game"; "this or that are scummy"; and so on. I do not think this is the right lens to use. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will remind people of what I have said for a while now, building on premises that a lot of people have echoed (and honestly, I wish I'd given it more emphasis myself in the past days).

    Scientist is under -no- obligation to do the things that are generally considered "scummy." In fact, they are uniquely positioned and incentivized, relative to other setups, to exhibit the behaviors that are often considered "towny":
    - There are no association shackles binding the scientist. As many have said, the scientist is free to ignore, support, or bus their infected as they see fit.
    - The above, in turn, removes one of the main reasons that scum like to lie under the radar and avoid taking a stand, as they usually fear being caught on associations (i.e. better to avoid making the choice than possibly making the wrong one).
    - There are no power investigatives capable of finding the scientist. This makes joining the towncore much more powerful, as the towncore cannot be vetted, and doing so (with some degree of competence) probably ensures at least a few mislynches. These are quite meaningful given the game acceleration provided by culting + killing. In addition, one of the key tools, seeing how people perform under pressure, is rendered moot if the scientist quickly enters the town core.
    - Finally, the scientist has plausible deniability regarding all kills, as the infected performs them without input from the scientist. (An addendum is that the scientist cannot be killed by their own infected, so there is no benefit in identifying themselves to the infected either).

    In this light, for example, "coasting" and "hiding from the light" from the get-go really do not make sense as a scumplay and would only reflect a lazy scientist (I believed I said something to this effect before). I do not think we have such a scientist, given the people still alive.

    I am -not- implying that being "towny" in the traditional sense makes you scum, i.e. I am not saying I want to lynch from the top. Instead it's more useful to think about larger stories / actions about someone's play, and if they more clearly fit either the town or scum perspective. To give an example, I have thought for a while on how punchy has (kinda) blatantly hunted me as TPR for several days. Maybe they are simply a really bold scientist, but I'd think that in most scenarios the real scientist would keep such a read to themselves, so that I feel safer.

    Quetz raises some interesting points about pringles, and I've thought in a similar vein about how pringles has been town leader pretty much the whole game (the tldr is that I'm not decided yet). One comment on lining up lynches is that, unfortunately, lynches haven't been informative at all this game - they've just been "welp, this person isn't scientist."

    For some reason, Quetz and Krabs occupy a similar spot in my head, even though they had very different starts to the game. This might be some self-centric thinking (both have scumread me and did not really move their reads on me following day 2/3, just using the doctor claim) plus their similar dips on day 3. Regardless, it is kind of disconcerting, as we have only one scum. It makes me wonder if pringles moved their read because they knew I was town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    I don't know, it would take massive balls and a risky scum play to pull it off if you were CCed, but it would work if the real doc were lynched first.
    I'm an uncounterclaimed doc and you and Quetz still want to lynch me lmao

    Why would I do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    What would happen if you weren't doc? Well let's go to that hypothetical scenario

    Tonight infected would kill another person, and we would have no ideawho they infected, and would have to go through this entire process again (3v2)

    We would obviously lynch you (MMXX) and proceed to lose another to death via infection, now 2v1

    Assuming town gets lucky that day, we MIGHT win from there, but if not then scum wins via infected.
    Ok great, you finally accept this would be the scenario. So now let me ask you why I, if I was scientist, would do this while not knowing if doc / blood analyst were alive

    I claimed before punchy and Quetz
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    You have wayyyyyyyyyy too much faith that MM is actually doc.
    You keep saying this and never engage with any of the gamestate discussion around what actually would happen if I wasn't doc
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    My gut is that they aren't scientist but this is just sad to play with
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    I highly doubt I'll sign up for another game with you again.
    Same
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    ►►Re: S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCreamFan View Post
    -vote deathworlds
    ffs
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM krabby person View Post
    I personally think that he is scientist just pretending to be doc, as soon as the infected dies of exhaustion, doc has a 50/50 whether scientist will hit him, then we'll really be screwed. Why would he doc claim when scientist is still running about? Infected will be RBed, die, then doc will become infected.
    This is a super strange post to me because it just kinda shallowly handwaves "if doc gets infected we're screwed"

    No lol, in this world I would be an outed scientist and would get turboed the next day, so if you say this, you should do the math on how the setup will play out

    Part of why I loathed the argument "scientist can keep infecting as long as s/he's alive, so we should completely forget about the infected!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM pringles View Post
    Its the simple/easy vote I mentioned earlier so Im not against it

    But I want ice cream more
    I'm not sure if Krabs / Quetz might just be banking we'll end up going for IceCreamSham in the end
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