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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    you play heroes? i asked you this once? come play heroes
    Just a matter of tine to 2.0
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    regardless, had we not lynched fury, and followed fury on suntax, the loss is the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    Yeah I'm not gonna argue this point anymore because it's moot. However, if you were going to try and stall the vote until I converted, that was never going to happpen because I was so town read it would have made no sense to flip without getting another lynch.

    Also, our original plan was to never convert and win as a duo or only convert at 3v2 so make it an instant win. But then fury made his lynch so viable I decided to go full force after whad, since he pushed my day two lynch target 22. I knew once whad was gone fury would be a layup after I spent all my time defending him and wifoming you guys with a planted "scum slip" lol
    The problem is your making your argument from a scum point of view.
    Your original plan even states you aren't going to convert.

    For your plan to work, you need to make the argument that town needs to lynch everyday. Since these are scum sides argument points, thats why I don't agree with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    This is partially why you lost you got so caught up in pass or no pass that you didn't push me as suck trying to stall.

    And tbh I would have never converted until you guys lynched lol.
    Which is why day 3 should of stalled to a draw.

    Your not going to convert because its scum favored to get it to the next day as LyLo
    We shouldn't lynch because your not converting.

    If both are accepted as true, town should not lynch.

    In hindsight when trying to figure out scum after your flip, while ISoing, it was quite clear you were fan with trying to push a lynch.
    It just didn't come to me to iso you on day 3

    Fury said he saw my logic in not lynching, if he just followed through, getting "caught" up in passing would of kept the town where it is. I needed to convince the other towns to pass/unvote
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    I will say, Mesk was not on my radar.

    Originally I was looking between Sinon and Suntax. But then Fury did pop up went I relooked day 4.

    Until Fury came under light, I think suntax was my initial choice, so day 4 was gone regardless.

    When we had the original vote on Fury, I did think it was weird with Mesks hammer timing (but not weird enough that I thought mesk, but that I was wrong), I also think changing from giving scum the win if I was wrong due to mod set up error was also wrong, so I didn't want to not lynch in the morning.

    And if Fury is salty about us playing bad, in no way was your day 1 playing and day 3 playing any help to the town. So if you want to play super scum like and then blame the town for seeing you scummy not sure what you exactly expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post

    And I was really hoping my flip would make everyone jump right on the fury bandwagon, and I'm glad it did. And hopefully this is a lesson to everyone that quick hammering is town town favored.


    How is quick hammering town favored? The town quick hammering whad is what causes day 4 to be a mess. HAd they not quick hammered, if you reveal as Fan, or we just keep passing until you do.

    In which case, even if you flip and we get fury the next day because of day 4, we still have another day to lynch because day 3 isn't wasted.

    I still stand by that day 3 should of 100% have been a pass until Fan flipped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fury View Post
    You really think PTB would state this directly?
    Yes, yes I do.

    get the fan to push you as hard as possible while also not voting for gaga.

    as I said if ptb is fan and your not gaga, why not put you at L-1?

    only reason ot to is because your gaga and L-2 was as safe as you two wanted to risk it

    -vote Fury
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    Oh well time to sleep, hopdully we either are still in day 4 or have a win when i wake up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
    Also why dd you not wanna influence anyone
    If i said everyone read day 2 with the idea that fury is gaga, high chance you see fury as gaga

    if you read fay two and conclude fury is gaga, im not insane and a lot easier to get you on board if your also thinking jt.
    also the fan would try and see issues with suntax or sinon, which is why to wait, but with you on fury=gaga, less ned to hide it
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    @Sinon
    @The Lawyer
    @Mesk514

    one of you in fan, but the other two

    read day 1-3
    prb is town day 1 scum day 2-3
    fury is scum day 1-3
    everyone else is town

    Doesnt't everything make sense if Fury is Gaga?

    If not ,give your opinion, but I am about 95% sure Fury is Gaga, and if not, PtB played me hard.
    Prb wins scum the game with the day 3 lynch which is what put us in the situation, but I do believe there was a slight day 2 scum slip with that non L-1 vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
    Yes i think Fury is gaga. I didnt want to influenece anyone with this thought.

    Day 2, why did PtB not put fury to L-1?
    it was revealed that ptb was fan.

    fury was a super easy mislynch since everyone thinks he was scumy.
    so why not put him at l-1? becuase L-2 was safe. 2 of the non votets werent going to switch, but One could, which is then why he cones yo with that fan/gaga wifom argument.

    but if your a fan and fury isnt gaga, you lynch fury and suicide the next night leaving the kost non-information. the only reason ot to do this Is fury is gaga.

    Fury you almost pulled it off, claiming gaga d1 and actually being gaga. the ptb's interaction with you fay, your "drunk" excuse to get the whad lynch. if you notr part of the wifom. ptb and fury did not both lynch 22 keeping the trail off each other.

    while i dont think ptb's lw should be read with any meaning, whad did try to go after fury, but this is hardly useful coming from scum.

    and note fury wants us to go after the two people we think are scummiest to secure the third mislynch. My guess is mesk is fan.

    -vote fury
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    ptb was the only one pushing for a lynch whena lynch only favored scum. thats why there is no surprise he was scum
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    Math is hard, dont put anyone at L-2, 4 votes kill. One vote at L-3 max please
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    We actually only need four votes, so L-2 is lethal if both votes are town. Don't got past L-1
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    You guys will be posting in about 3-4 hours when i will be unfortunatly asleep.
    please do the following for my sake

    DO NOT vote for anyone until i can make my case in the morning. You guys lynched Wald while I was asleep and couldnt defend him. if you do vote,keep it at L-2 max, that way fan and gaga cannot win with an L-3

    Please reread day 2 and give me your input on who you think is gaga. please keep in mind the three points I made above. We can still win this town, we just cannot rush through this day.
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    I highly suggest town reread day to under the light that
    A) Whad is town
    B)22 is town
    C)ptb is fan

    if you read what i just read (though i reread everthing day1-now) I thibk you may come to the same conclusion I have.

    Not wanting to influence anyone, please reread day 2 and give me your thoughts. I will then give you my vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
    Neither
    by not putting a potential fan as town it makes it unlikely town would think that Gaga would of fanned a scum read by such player on a full no fan day.
    however he pulls away from.him some day 2 and day 3 indicating a high portability he fanned her keeping her alive by retracting major tunneling on him.

    Based on this, sinon is gaga and fanned ptb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    You could be right. I assure you though, i'm not riled up. I just find it interesting the method of "play" they both just used. I think they both might of slipped, or it's possible 22 is innocent and just a shitty person overall.

    I'm being critical but as you know me, I like to consider every possible rabbit hole. I find those two to have the strongest scum holes (hehe) to travel down atm.

    I'll post a read list:

    Potential town:


    1. Whad (mostly set up spec) no way gyrl would replace out the gaga, unless POD never submitted a night action. Still you get replace shield for now. However, you have also been keeping town on task and pushing your scum reads, and you are casting somewhat of a wide net in terms of potential targets, while focusing in on some of the scummier people.
    2. Unknown (mesk) I believe she is playing her typical town apathy lemme sheep ptb and fury voting style. I suspect her to be more contributing once we have a scum flip or whenever someone triggers her lol.
    3. Fury not as strong as previous iterations of fury play, however, like I said before, I believe he is just trying to WIFOM his way into never getting converted.

    (i WILL say I am biased against all 3 of my town reads, because I've seen each of them play town, and for me, they are very consistent with their normal town play. I know cross game meta is bad, but IDC it's day 1 part 2 in my book)

    NULL/NAI posts:


    1. The lawyer - - while she is tunneling 22 a bit, she is also trying to place interactions on fury. TBH, i think fury is low hanging fruit, and anyone really pushing him is either just not understanding his style of play or is trying to get a ML. The lawyer hasn't made a super strong caae against fury, but as I said earlier, I see how she came to the conclusions that she came to. Initially I wasn't fully supportive of her vote on 22. I don't agree that 22 is Gaga, and therefore am not going to vote him unless we're at some sort of impasse and need a lynch. I put her as null or nai because she hasn't posted enough for me to consider scum motivation, but, also hasn't scum hunted hard enough looking at everyone to give me a town read either. So right now, I'm baffled by her. It's probably because shes literally brand new and this is her first play on the site. Unless she's secretly @Calix or bC LOL.

    2. Me: Because, I don't like only one person being null...and I'm very conflicted as a real life fan of Lady GaGA, have to be a hater and lynch my queen is just very confusing to me. Also, I'd like to give people more reason to suspect me, so I can shut them down, like idiot 1 and idiot 2. <3

    Potential Scum:

    1. Sinon would be a good fan choice imo because he comes off inherently scummy, based on a game I played with him, where we all SWORE he was scummiest of all scum and he flipped town. So I wouldn't be surprised if he was day 2 cannon fodder for the scum. He's a perfect shield. I do not think he is gaga, but his circle jerk with fury and whad seems to me a bit odd, and just doesn't allow me to read him as town because I read both of them as town atm.

    2. Ccantman: Lady gaga suspect, reasons stated above

    3. 22: Fan, reasons stated above.

    4. Suntax his posts are shitposts, but as I said earlier, I feel like they're forced shit posts. He admitted he was tired, so that could be it. I slightly scum read him, but not not enough to put him in null and not more than the other two who I might be tunneling, but IDK it's day 1 again, so who fucking knows. None of his posts have been really that game related though. I mean some, but most of them are just dumb bullshit. Like his question to the host "can I call everyone cunts?" LOL what? Could be another fury-esk strat, but could also be mirroring fury so we inherently link them both as town? IDK, never seen him play, so for now, I'm going with my gut and putting him in my scum pile until he proves otherwise.

    ptb day 2 town reads.

    two of the for scum where town (22 and myself)

    our two highest suspects are also in that list. still looking through losts but i ned to see it ptb ever pushed the other two despite saying they are scum
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    ah,yes i meant readin scum as town does not mean one is scum. if i was on pc wiuld of been easier to check tajt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
    Did you mean reading scum as town does not make one scum?
    Because surely pointing a scum as town is scummy .
    it was a glaring oversight as i mention in last post.
    can scum read scum as town? yes
    can town read scum as town? yes

    since both are true
    saying scum= town doesn not make one scum, but something to keep in mind as a slip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinon View Post
    Oh hai.

    Forgot who originally posed the question, but four town reads for me are: ccantman, The Lawyer, Trine, and Unknown.

    Other observations (not determinative - just sayin'): Fury seems hyperactive/panicked for no reason, esp. when he worried about getting voted off before he had a chance to get to a computer after only getting one vote, but I would expect Lady Gaga to play it a little cooler; is this just his meta? More broadly, I'm concerned also that Fury seems to have a lot of undue sway over the direction of the game...three of you vote on Phoenix after Fury decides after 2 mins after having asked Phoenix if he was a hater that his reticence to contribute makes him scum. If he meant to start contributing at all, Phoenix wasn't the last to reply. And The Lawyer identifies Fury as a key to solving this game (#119)? Why? Most of the quotes are disjointed and trollish, and even the ones that aren't don't make sense. For instance,



    contradicted a few minues later by



    And later



    and at the least, this doesn't scream 'town' to me. And then there's





    I see you. This all reads more of 'Fury trying to appear voluble and to steer things from the beginning down a trajectory so as to install himself as town in enough people's minds early on, all while giving himself an out so that down the line he'll be able to sit back a bit and watch things go without looking suspicious' than it reads 'town'.

    And quickly, TwentyTwo reads a little scummy to me with the superficiality of his comments combined with their infrequency. Not sure what to make of all this (give your two cents y'all), especially since there's just Lady Gaga and a bunch of haters.

    oh and Katy Perry > Lady Gaga and such.

    He's a Wifom question.
    if you were gaga where would you put your fan on the radar day 1?

    sinon didnt put ptb as a town read day 1 on the question of "who are 4 people you think are town". does this help or break his case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suntax View Post
    READS

    PTB-my strongest town read right now, a lot of scumhunting and town favoured contribution puts him at the top

    Ccantman-I think he is a noob who is trying to do good in the game with some good points on the occasion

    Sinon
    I dont trust him as much as i like but i think he is just a scummy looking town, i made my reasons to paranoid against him yesterday and I feel he could easily slide in as a fan but his content is mostly town favoured and scumhunting is ok as a whole.

    NEUTRAL

    Mesk-I have nothing to say besides she needs to talk and get reads out and what not

    Fury-im very wishywashy with fury right now as he is less scummy but still scummy just less so. He could swing either way we never know, after today And the events it could be a great time to fully revisit fury.

    Scum

    The lawyer and Whad-the scum right now, I don't want to and since im on my phone its hard to go back but all the infomation against Whad and the lawyer are in previous posts

    This is really half arsed as im on my phone but it should give you some insight

    Im not on there but im obviously town.
    something interesting to note, but reading scum as town does not make one town. but something to note
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    Im 90% sure its suntax or sinon
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    I didn't sleep well last night because of the dogs keeping me up. So I'm already a little on edge. I have a very short fuse for people not pulling their weight or just making a bunch of different statements about cake.

    Can we focus here people?

    We're getting mind fucked. Cantman wants to skip every day until the fan converts because he thinks we have power. The top two scum reads agree with him (problem there). Sinon, suntax, and I are the only three trying to solve game.

    Fury and mesk are just shit posting.

    Whad has pretty much accepted his lynch long before we made a final decisions and the lawyer is shit posting about seducing fury and if he denied her than he MUST be scum all the while bread crumbling that I'm scum but she won't do any leg work to back her claims up.

    I'm just so tired of people not doing anything and then getting mad because one of the only people actually playing the game is losing his shit Bc people pop in for 34 seconds and they're gone.


    Anyhow I need a nap too bad I have to work.

    @Suntax @Mesk514 and @Fury if you so desire jump on the whad train and let's get the game moving. If not and you want more info go ahead and do that. But good luck, getting any meaningful interraction is like digging to China with a spoon. Pointless. And useless.


    Exasperated ptb outta here for now


    I assume ptb would not want to pass so having gaga agree to pass is a no go

    its someone who was trying to push a lynch and "solve" the game for the scum team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fury View Post
    The optimal strategy for us is to not lynch I think.

    the teason i think this is bad.

    lets say you are fan.
    your going to spend a day giving us false leads, leads we can see are false with the oass,
    but then you make say me a fan. then i soend the next day sending lies.

    come time when we actually need to lynch our information is super sketchy. today is the best day to get that lynch as we know who was lying day 2 and 3, and we only have one person giving false leads.

    though as with day 3 if the town thinks passing overall is better i will follow, but this time at least folow through eith it.

    Fury you said you wrre drunk but there was another person who said they agreed and also still lynched
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    if we believe town tbp in that


    sinon and myself were scum targets
    fury and mesk are town targets

    the day two gameplay match this where he supports sinon and sutax and my self as kynchhes and brings up that fury and unknown would be he fan tagers and that the fan would be lying.

    given that he is scum this is with a grain of salt and we get to wifom shit.

    sinon and suntex interactions with ptb are what I am interested in at the moment
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    meep in mind day 1 is town ptb, day 2 is 50/50(gaga maybhave passed N1, unlikely but possible) day 3 is scum ptb
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    I want to Iso ptb's day 1 and 2 chat but not really viable on mobile. i may need to quote single posts and make a bunch of smalll posts that may evetyally add up to something
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    Well we have two options now, pass or lynch.

    unlike the past two days though passing is super bad

    it was fine yesterday to pass because the fan didnt convert, but if we pass today, the current fan and the fan tommorrow will be two misleads. our best chance is nailing gaga today. So this does mean we mayblose today, going past today with passes will not be good. if we had another ML we could afford a pass but ptb took away that option when you dollowed hik and not me
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    I assume mesk or fury are fan just based on who ptb sees as a good player
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    Fury why did you say you agree with me that there should be no lynch and then lynch whad
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    note because you guys were all lynch happy that we are now at lynch lose
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    i had a feeeling tpb would flip fan. only reason to push for lynches
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    Thread:S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    Okay two things.

    1. The town only wins by lyching, choosing not to lynch indefinitely is not going to force the fan to act. That's been my point. The fan isn't required to convert, they have two methods to win. One way is convert every night to win as fast as possible, but they trade info. The second way is they don't convert and they starve us of info and thus force us to make lynches with less info. They are not required to give us info. They are required to get us to the point where they win and we lose. So whereas the fan choosing not to convert sucks for us, it is not anti game. It is a strategy that Mike of us considered viable. If we don't lynch because of this then we are just acting like kids who wanna take their ball and go home because we don't like the rules. It is our job to take in all available information and make the best possibile lynch based on that info. If we had a tpr killing role I could see choosing not to lynch because we could still hit a scum.

    2. I think asking the mod to draw game or asking the mod to help us win the game is not what forum mafia is about. We gotta play the hand we were dealt tbh. We can win if we hit gaga or the fan today. We should most definitely lynch.


    I still like whad as Gaga but we can definitely hit the lawyer because I'm most certain she's the fan. At least this way Gaga has to convert or lose voting power tomorrow.

    You say that town can only win by lynch

    then you say scum can only win by coverting or making us mislynch

    so if they dont covert
    they can only win by making us mislynch

    and if we dont lynch we cant mislynch

    so the only way they can win is by coverting.

    I'm not syaing we never lynch again. I am saying we don't lynch until they convert.

    So if your argument is town can only win by lynching, my argument is that scum can only win by converting.

    we already used two lyncches on days without a fan reveal. and clearly that didnt help. So lets wait to lynch until the fan converts. And if the fan continues to not convert, scum cannot win. so as town where is the risk?

    while its not a "winning play" to not lynch it is also a "not losing" play to not lynch

    unlike other games where we dont get scum info. not lynching is not a "not losing" play as in those setups we dont get a reveal when the scum converts another with a suicide bombing.

    as for part teo. I am playing to win with the hand I given, the setup dictates the rules. under the current rules and set up. town is at no risk of passing until the fan makes a move. because of the fan kanikaze conversion this is the only setup that allows us to do this. This is gaming the FM setup as much as the scum is gaming the FM setup. If using the setup is going against FM, then why have setups to begin with
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    Thread:S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

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    you cant say town not lynching is anti game and not say fan NOT killing is not anti game.

    If our job is to scum hunt, their job is to kill town.
    If not killing makes their job easier to kill town then not lyncjhing makes it easier for us to scum hunt.
    At the moment we just keep pointing fingers at each either with no baises outside that 22 was not lynched.

    our scum hunt should be aimed at those who voted and pushed for 22, but at the same time we dont know who among them was a fan. Each person who voted for 22, depending on who flips fan now gives us a lot more information. That is what I am looking for example if Whad flipped fan or Lwayer flip fan we get more context into who they were trying to deflect. or if you flip fan, it indicates your wanting to get us to lynch with the least info helping gaga. If fury flips then his loose cannon strat worked, etc. If Mesk flips that would explain the lack if a kill If she is truely afk.

    This knowledge we get by purely passing is huge and the opportunity cost is nothing if you compare the game state to what it will be to what it should of been.

    That is why I am pro pass. should we still scum hunt, yes, but fan needs to act first.


    as for lawyer flip flopping while skytchy, its possible reading a backlog you respond to one thing then continue reading and respond to another.

    that being said I did say the lawyer was one of the only true scum reads I had day 1, but with the 22 hater flip and the fan flip was going to help confirm that one way or another. We only got half that.
    goven that keps pushing for people and deflecting high chance its fan deflecting off gaga, and we should aim for gaga. but a fan flip would prrove this point.

    if we are going to lynch its on Lawyer

    but I still on the proponet of a pass. and if fan/gaga wont act. argue this set up should be a draw.
    The town has limited number of lynches. having to use them for game progress
    while the scum has unlimited converts as long as the fan gets lynched or a convert happens.
    the onus should be on the scum to move progress
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    I don't know how many different ways I can say this ... we could no lynch every single day but it will never force the fan to do anything. Clearly the scum are committed to a longer game, it is insane to think trying to force them to do something is going to work by not voting. The only way we get anything done is by finding the best possible lynch today and then force the scum to do something tonight.

    If we no lynch today = they probably no convert
    If we lynch today = they are forced to make a move or potentially ruin their chance to win.

    e.
    If we no lynch and they do not convert.

    Do you agree that numbers do not change?

    It would then be on the Moderator to either force the fan to kill or force a draw.
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    I gave my case on why we should pass. if the rest of the town wants to still lynch despite my arument i will lynch with them. But getting the rest of towns input for this and their understanding of best plan.
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    gaga and fan tried to game us by not killing anyone, but due to the rules of the setup we can counteract that gaminjjg by just passing
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    Thread:S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

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    yes.

    but if we mislynch and the fan does not kill, that is when we get a second mislynch

    (we go to 5v2)
    so the fan needs to kill tonight to prevent this

    if we pass and the fan doesnt kill we are at infinite loop (draw?)

    if we pass an fan kills
    then day 3 was a "waste" but day 4 will be where day 3 should of been

    if we lislynch and fan kills the game follows as if we were at 5v2 but is 4v2 instead

    I believe it is best if we force the fan to act. this gives us the information we were hoping for. who on day 2 was not telling the truth/ trying to mislead.

    if we lynch today its still off what we had day 2, we needed the fan's suicide to gain perfect day 3 information. by pasing we left day 4 become our day 3 with no risk to the ML count.

    it stays the same and we get more informatioj without losing a ML. and if no act again it goes to that draw scenerio.
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    Thread:S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

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    how are you counting?

    we had 3 mislynches

    we lynched TBP and 22 where are you getting a 4th ML? we have 1 ML left.

    we can still LYNCH twice but we only have 1 ML
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    No it's always better to lynch over no lynch. This actually allows us to lynch today and no lynch tomorrow with less people. Then even if the fan converts after that we're at a smaller pool of suspects.
    we always had this option. the fan not dying does not give us a magical pass +1. We alwayd had it.
    if the fan passes twice then we gain one.

    abd tou cant say its always correct to lynch and we get to pass in the same sentence.


    Also why cant we pass?
    unlike other games the gaga and fan never make progress.
    in a game where mafia always kills. passing is bad becuase you slowly lose town
    in a or al cult gane you solowly get coverted

    in this game what is the down side of the pass?
    the fan gets to kill someome, but we just had a day where they passed.
    today we SHOulULD of been at one less town one less fan.

    if the fan wants to play no kill, the town should also play no lynch.

    until the fan makes a move the town has no incentive to lynch.
    if the fan keeps not killing the the town stays at the same staus quo
    if the fan finally starts to kill we would be at the state we should of been today but weret.

    we need to force tte fan to act.
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    ugh no fan death

    but tonight fan needs to convert or we gain a ML

    we are still at 3 ML in game and used 2 of them, nothing changed number eise on that.
    I think this gave is a second day we can pass though with no lynch.

    something we could contenplate is that we pass and see where the fan goes.


    this does lead to an issues since the fan doesnt need to covert and town doesnt need to lynch. This game could go on forever.
    What happens then?

    Like I think town passing until fan dies so we can eval day 2 better would be the plab
  44. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:M-FM April Fools! [Game Thread]

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    I want to know how to get my point across in a better way so next time there is no confusion on my point
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    Thread:M-FM April Fools! [Game Thread]

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    That is why my vote was on Sino and not you.

    But despite the logic break down on why Sino was my vote, i was "tunneling Fury" and voting Sino
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    i read the OP, but i'm not understanding the win conditions here.
    Team 1 wants to lynch/kill team 2 and neutral

    Team 2 wants to lynch/kil team 1 and neutral

    Neutral wants to kill everyone

    That is at least my understanding
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    Thread:M-FM April Fools! [Game Thread]

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    So that is my question, How do I articulate it better.

    Just using the above quote as an example.
    I kept trying to explain my target on you was only if we had 1 WD.

    Step 1:
    Ackowledge that we had two witch doctors
    Step 2:
    There are two ways to get to two witch doctors
    A)A doctor was converted
    B)WE started with two Witch doctors

    Lets start from this part. Is there some way that my step 2 analyze is wrong? Because this was the only point I was trying to get through for most of the part.

    If we accept that Step 2 is true.

    Then we take each part seperatly
    PArt A- A doctor was converted
    The break down of this is what leads to Fury and what my whole argument ON THAT PART was
    PArt B- We started with two WD's

    I was always open to the idea that either of these were possible, but my question was to the rest of the players which do you think is true.

    And then the conclusion

    IF you think PArt A is true, Fury is guilty
    IF you think part B is true, sino was guilty

    TO me, I was trying to HArp that Part A was possible, not that it was true, just that it was possible.
    In the case that A doesn't make sense (for insert reason) and therefore false
    Then B is true


    I don't know how there was a clearer way to write this
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    So if people assumed that we started with two Witch Doctors (which we did) why was the whole second part of that post ignored which was pointing to Sino.

    That is my point, only the first half pointed to Fury IF we had one WD
    but in the case of two (Which was the whole point if the second half) that was completly ignored and i was "tunnel visioning"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccantman View Post
    This comes down to, Do you think N1 there was or was not an attempted 3rd kill?

    Since there were two witch doctors, I think one saving a doctor to make a second witch doctor follows how the deaths of N1 and N2 and match the rolecards.


    If this was the case, there was 3 kill attempets on both N1 and N2, and as such, fury didn't Vig kill yzb, he SK killed yzb after failing N1 due to N1 witch doctor heal.

    but this is only under the assumption there was only 1 witch doctor to begin with.

    IF we started with two witch doctors, then there was only 2 kill attempts N1, in which case the follow up of fury adding a Vig kill follows suit and sino is lying.

    True I missed that in both cases sino could still be lying.

    But if Fury is Vig, while posible, i doubt we have two vig.
    And if Fury is SK, then sino clamin vig is still possible
    So I do have one question. was i not stating my point clear in my posts (such as the one I quoted as an example)

    My point was that we have 2 possible scenerios but based on which factors are assumed the expect answer is diferent

    in the case of scenerio A we want outcome Y
    in the case of scenerio B we want outcome Z

    am I just bad at explaining things, or did I fuck up somewhere?
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    Thread:S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

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    And why the rush on the hammer? It was already made that an early day lynch only gives Night more hours and doesn't fasten the game
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