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why the flying fuck was i replaced

why the flying fuck was i replaced

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don't say anything about editing posts, also it's funny how it says you have 0 posts.


[QUOTE=ThePaladin;550967]When I say "Basically Lurking"; I mean hasn't really contributed much at all in favor of defending, poking, accusing people and/or few insightful posts|Most of your questions are game mechanic related.[/QUOTE]

Very well:

[QUOTE]
Day 1 Vote Count:

Sen (4 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Yukitaka Oni, RLVG, Spruance
Spruance (3 [L-4]):
Sen, Calix, ThePaladin
Firebringer (2 [L-5]):
Thornholt, SuperJack[/QUOTE]

Based on this I say Firebringer, Yuk or RLVG. Seems reasonable me to counter lynch to avoid dying (though again no one has said what happens in a draw). Since RLVG claimed RB it could mean he is mafia (and mafia haven't RB'd because really what is the point in RBing on a save where half the roles are citizens and the other half of the roles are active, the only benefit is people get to claim rb'd...), defending yourself after getting votes like you're doing now seems way suspicious compared to saying your claims first.

Though as I've made my case that I think lynches are bad.

Originally Posted by ThePaladin

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don't say anything about editing posts, also it's funny how it says you have 0 posts.

Originally Posted by ThePaladin

When I say "Basically Lurking"; I mean hasn't really contributed much at all in favor of defending, poking, accusing people and/or few insightful posts|Most of your questions are game mechanic related.

Very well:

Day 1 Vote Count:

Sen (4 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Yukitaka Oni, RLVG, Spruance
Spruance (3 [L-4]):
Sen, Calix, ThePaladin
Firebringer (2 [L-5]):
Thornholt, SuperJack

Based on this I say Firebringer, Yuk or RLVG. Seems reasonable me to counter lynch to avoid dying (though again no one has said what happens in a draw). Since RLVG claimed RB it could mean he is mafia (and mafia haven't RB'd because really what is the point in RBing on a save where half the roles are citizens and the other half of the roles are active, the only benefit is people get to claim rb'd...), defending yourself after getting votes like you're doing now seems way suspicious compared to saying your claims first.

Though as I've made my case that I think lynches are bad.

Random Koopalings can be no role? lol, so you could get a game where it was 10 citizens against 3 maf? Or more relevantly 10 non-invest roles

[QUOTE]
RMcD:basically lurking, talked a bit about not lynch d1; he normally doesn't play like that if he's mafia in the mod but on forum idk; probably town[/QUOTE]

I would not call arguing vehemently lurking

Also whoever is recording statistics please note that the first day one lynch was town (SO SHOCKED)

Are there death notes in this game

Random Koopalings can be no role? lol, so you could get a game where it was 10 citizens against 3 maf? Or more relevantly 10 non-invest roles

RMcD:basically lurking, talked a bit about not lynch d1; he normally doesn't play like that if he's mafia in the mod but on forum idk; probably town

I would not call arguing vehemently lurking

Also whoever is recording statistics please note that the first day one lynch was town (SO SHOCKED)

Are there death notes in this game

What benefit does having a new thread have when I'd just link this old post anyway? This forum is not active enough to warrant necromancy problems where old irrelevant posts flood the front page and they are long threads that you need to read all of to know what's going on.

I had seen on the wiki it said that about marathon, both Gates of Steiner and Hung Jury are difficult to get so I don't know what you're talking about

What benefit does having a new thread have when I'd just link this old post anyway? This forum is not active enough to warrant necromancy problems where old irrelevant posts flood the front page and they are long threads that you need to read all of to know what's going on.

I had seen on the wiki it said that about marathon, both Gates of Steiner and Hung Jury are difficult to get so I don't know what you're talking about

inb4 necro complaints, anyone want to get together a skype group to do this? Steiners, Hung Jury + Marathon = 1k points for a game. 13 BD 2 Beguiler.

Marathon you get whether you're dead or alive right? So every 3rd day you lynch a bd. To stop the draw

inb4 necro complaints, anyone want to get together a skype group to do this? Steiners, Hung Jury + Marathon = 1k points for a game. 13 BD 2 Beguiler.

Marathon you get whether you're dead or alive right? So every 3rd day you lynch a bd. To stop the draw

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Crimes Committed: Hacking

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Revealed maf and triad roles day 1. Read pms, read graveyard chat, etc.

Account Name: Zeroblue
Account ID: 1-S2-1-466509
In-Game Name: Rodrigo Ferrari

Crimes Committed: Hacking

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[QUOTE=Calix;550270]If you want something that sounds legit, can we talk about Spruance's reactive play (only comments when someone mentions him) and his OMGUS when I voted him? You will notice that his most relevant posts were after someone applied pressure to him. Once the pressure shifted away from him, he stops. Since he's new, I find this more telling as to his alignment.

RM is either idiotic scum or just retarded. What kind of town announces that they have the enable, thus soft-claiming that they are a PR role...under the pressure of one vote? >.>

I'm just going to vote back to Spruance so that he can start accusing me of being scum for voting him. I think that either Spruance or/ and RM are the 'noob scum' that was noted earlier.

[vote]Spruance[/vote][/QUOTE]

What's PR?

Originally Posted by Calix

If you want something that sounds legit, can we talk about Spruance's reactive play (only comments when someone mentions him) and his OMGUS when I voted him? You will notice that his most relevant posts were after someone applied pressure to him. Once the pressure shifted away from him, he stops. Since he's new, I find this more telling as to his alignment.

RM is either idiotic scum or just retarded. What kind of town announces that they have the enable, thus soft-claiming that they are a PR role...under the pressure of one vote? >.>

I'm just going to vote back to Spruance so that he can start accusing me of being scum for voting him. I think that either Spruance or/ and RM are the 'noob scum' that was noted earlier.

-vote Spruance

What's PR?

[QUOTE=Thornholt;550015]Hey here's an idea.... Night action status calls!!!!

My action is currently: Disabled!

Your turn! XD[/QUOTE]

Mine is enabled.

Also can jailor jail every night then even if there's a lynch? Or do you just not have jailors in mandatory lynch saves

[QUOTE=ThePaladin;550100]My SHEEP VOTE SOMEONE RANDOM Besides RMCD.

[unvote][/unvote][/QUOTE]

Good loyal man

[QUOTE=ThePaladin;550102]and by random i mean someone who seems like scum[/QUOTE]

I think you've missed the idea of random.

Originally Posted by Thornholt

Hey here's an idea.... Night action status calls!!!!

My action is currently: Disabled!

Your turn! XD

Mine is enabled.

Also can jailor jail every night then even if there's a lynch? Or do you just not have jailors in mandatory lynch saves

Originally Posted by ThePaladin

My SHEEP VOTE SOMEONE RANDOM Besides RMCD.

-unvote

Good loyal man

Originally Posted by ThePaladin

and by random i mean someone who seems like scum

I think you've missed the idea of random.

[QUOTE=Calix;549996]Mafia have a FACTIONAL KILL. They don't need the enables to kill, otherwise the game would be slow as fuck.

If you can't be bothered to read two pages, you are just making it more obvious that you are a massive liability.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/33924-S-FM-Koopolitics-Setup[/url]

It does say that, under the three mafia role descriptions the Mafia ability is PART OF THE ROLE. So if one mafia was enabled you get all the mafia actions, but if both are disabled you get none. That's how I read it.

Also since I just read

[QUOTE]Tie breakers:
Mafia > Koopas
[/QUOTE]

Why don't you choose two random people to vote separate people? Whatever one gets voted up is mafia because they win tie breakers? If a Mafia votes A and Town votes B then mafia win the tie.

Since people are complaining about day length can't you just vote to skip?

Originally Posted by Calix

Mafia have a FACTIONAL KILL. They don't need the enables to kill, otherwise the game would be slow as fuck.

If you can't be bothered to read two pages, you are just making it more obvious that you are a massive liability.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...politics-Setup

It does say that, under the three mafia role descriptions the Mafia ability is PART OF THE ROLE. So if one mafia was enabled you get all the mafia actions, but if both are disabled you get none. That's how I read it.

Also since I just read

Tie breakers:
Mafia > Koopas

Why don't you choose two random people to vote separate people? Whatever one gets voted up is mafia because they win tie breakers? If a Mafia votes A and Town votes B then mafia win the tie.

Since people are complaining about day length can't you just vote to skip?

[QUOTE=Calix;549951]Yes, R2's 'argument' was that lynching is bad because town are more likely to die, ignoring the fact that [B]night kills will always kill town[/B]. He claims that the enabled powers mean that mafia cannot kill unless they receive an 'enable' - a claim that is so bad, I'm surprised I'm one of the first people to point this out.

At least Paladin seems to be getting somewhat more productive. They can move out of the 'really want to policy-lynch' pile.[/QUOTE]

1) I didn't ignore that. Even without the enable mechanic most of my points hold true.

2) Is that now how this enable mechanic work? How can role kill at night if it's not enabled when killing is a power?

If there's anything else relevant I skimmed over the posts cause there was like two pages

Originally Posted by Calix

Yes, R2's 'argument' was that lynching is bad because town are more likely to die, ignoring the fact that night kills will always kill town. He claims that the enabled powers mean that mafia cannot kill unless they receive an 'enable' - a claim that is so bad, I'm surprised I'm one of the first people to point this out.

At least Paladin seems to be getting somewhat more productive. They can move out of the 'really want to policy-lynch' pile.

1) I didn't ignore that. Even without the enable mechanic most of my points hold true.

2) Is that now how this enable mechanic work? How can role kill at night if it's not enabled when killing is a power?

If there's anything else relevant I skimmed over the posts cause there was like two pages

I didn't win by tie break, I converted the Mayor before the night end. There was no town left:

Also "D5: 2(ENFORCER) is dead. Cult controls 4 votes, but still-living mayor lynched 10(CULTIST)." woops I was slow

I didn't win by tie break, I converted the Mayor before the night end. There was no town left:

Also "D5: 2(ENFORCER) is dead. Cult controls 4 votes, but still-living mayor lynched 10(CULTIST)." woops I was slow

I noticed that you can't tell while watching the replay who voted what, that's a bit weird don't you think? Should show something...

I noticed that you can't tell while watching the replay who voted what, that's a bit weird don't you think? Should show something...

You always kick and warn people for bussing in game, also Azzid is point hacking.

You always kick and warn people for bussing in game, also Azzid is point hacking.

No feedback is a form of feedback since you'd know it was a sponge no?

No feedback is a form of feedback since you'd know it was a sponge no?

[QUOTE=Sen;548909]For starters, there's nothing random about it. If you're lynching people at random, then you need to review the purpose of Mafia.[/QUOTE]

You're clearly not reading the same thread I am. The very first comment was a random vote for someone before he had even commented.

[QUOTE]As for why a lynch is better:
A) A lynch can kill scum. Simple as that. Voting/Lynching is the Town's strongest weapon. Scum kills obviously don't kill scum.[/QUOTE]

This is one of the weirdest justifications I've seen. A day 1 lynch is good because it can kill mafia? Well it can kill town so it must be bad. This is a terrible argument and starting it off as your first point does not bode well for the rest.

Not only this, in this save it is EXTREMELY unlikely that mafia can kill because only 2 roles are ever activated and town are the majority of the roles.

[QUOTE]B) A flip (any flip) on day 1 helps for interaction and vote analysis. A day 1 with no-lynch is the same as a day 2 with one less townie. Besides the one or two TPRs that might exist in a setup -and who might've got nothing from their night action, since the no-lynch gave them nothing to work with-, the rest of the town remains in the dark, while the scum got a kill and possibly information that helps them plan the next one.[/QUOTE]

Except town gets more information per night than mafia do, and as long as there isn't a cleaning role this only works well for town. As with one night per kill you eliminate roles.

[QUOTE]C) Day 1 no-lynch is a free pass to everyone; "lurk, troll, do whatever. we're not lynching anyone today!".[/QUOTE]

A day 1 lynch is a free pass to everyone; "do whatever, we're lynching anyone today!"

[QUOTE]D) Depending on the setup, a no-lynch can turn a MyLo into a next day LyLo, or more commonly into one less mislynch the Town can do.[/QUOTE]

It's interesting that you acknowledge I'm new but continue to use abbreviations that mean nothing to me. Also, no, the same number of people die either way, you're just trading time for deaths if you lynch day 1. If you mean that you can randomly lynch say a serial killer and therefore make one less town dead so you get an extra lynch then yes obviously that CAN happen.

[QUOTE]E) A d1 wagon resulting in a d1 no-lynch will likely be a wagon on d2, wasting yet more time.[/QUOTE]

This does not hold, provide me statistical evidence of this claim.

[QUOTE]Z) [url]https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_FAQ[/url][/QUOTE]

This page is not a study.

[QUOTE]An oft used argument is to wait for the investigative roles (if any) to get clues. That's a terrible idea, since the TPRs can either be terrible at picking targets and get nothing of use until it's too late, or get rekt before they can be of use. In both scenarios the Town is left with a bunch of dead bodies and little to no useful information. [/QUOTE]

As long as there are more invest roles than non-invest, and there are more town than non-town probabilistically more people gain information each night. Also, if you're going to assume invest are bad at picking targets then the solution is not to give them even less time to pick targets. What absurd counter logic is that?

[QUOTE]While power roles are fun and can be very powerful if used correctly, Mafia is mostly a game about studying the people who you are playing with. What they do, what they say, how they react, when they do it, and most importantly; why.[/QUOTE]

By that logic the best way of playing Mafia would be having a day 1 rolecall where each person says their role into silence and it is all revealed simultaneously. Then, since in this save you have a very low chance of a death a night (1/13+1/12 for the mafia killing to be activated) it is a simple case of eliminating possibilities. In this save that might not be the best because it's all town random and we don't know the probabilities behind each role appearing but that logic would apply in almost all games of SC2 Mafia. Also the inability to use your role is useful as a cover up for explaining why you couldn't invest someone so you couldn't set up chains like you do in normal games that force a mafia out.

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Also no one explained what happened in a tie or no vote scenario. Do we just role a dice on who to lynch? Is there a defence stage in this game or is just an instant lynch?

Originally Posted by Sen

For starters, there's nothing random about it. If you're lynching people at random, then you need to review the purpose of Mafia.

You're clearly not reading the same thread I am. The very first comment was a random vote for someone before he had even commented.

As for why a lynch is better:
A) A lynch can kill scum. Simple as that. Voting/Lynching is the Town's strongest weapon. Scum kills obviously don't kill scum.

This is one of the weirdest justifications I've seen. A day 1 lynch is good because it can kill mafia? Well it can kill town so it must be bad. This is a terrible argument and starting it off as your first point does not bode well for the rest.

Not only this, in this save it is EXTREMELY unlikely that mafia can kill because only 2 roles are ever activated and town are the majority of the roles.

B) A flip (any flip) on day 1 helps for interaction and vote analysis. A day 1 with no-lynch is the same as a day 2 with one less townie. Besides the one or two TPRs that might exist in a setup -and who might've got nothing from their night action, since the no-lynch gave them nothing to work with-, the rest of the town remains in the dark, while the scum got a kill and possibly information that helps them plan the next one.

Except town gets more information per night than mafia do, and as long as there isn't a cleaning role this only works well for town. As with one night per kill you eliminate roles.

C) Day 1 no-lynch is a free pass to everyone; "lurk, troll, do whatever. we're not lynching anyone today!".

A day 1 lynch is a free pass to everyone; "do whatever, we're lynching anyone today!"

D) Depending on the setup, a no-lynch can turn a MyLo into a next day LyLo, or more commonly into one less mislynch the Town can do.

It's interesting that you acknowledge I'm new but continue to use abbreviations that mean nothing to me. Also, no, the same number of people die either way, you're just trading time for deaths if you lynch day 1. If you mean that you can randomly lynch say a serial killer and therefore make one less town dead so you get an extra lynch then yes obviously that CAN happen.

E) A d1 wagon resulting in a d1 no-lynch will likely be a wagon on d2, wasting yet more time.

This does not hold, provide me statistical evidence of this claim.

Z) https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_FAQ

This page is not a study.

An oft used argument is to wait for the investigative roles (if any) to get clues. That's a terrible idea, since the TPRs can either be terrible at picking targets and get nothing of use until it's too late, or get rekt before they can be of use. In both scenarios the Town is left with a bunch of dead bodies and little to no useful information.

As long as there are more invest roles than non-invest, and there are more town than non-town probabilistically more people gain information each night. Also, if you're going to assume invest are bad at picking targets then the solution is not to give them even less time to pick targets. What absurd counter logic is that?

While power roles are fun and can be very powerful if used correctly, Mafia is mostly a game about studying the people who you are playing with. What they do, what they say, how they react, when they do it, and most importantly; why.

By that logic the best way of playing Mafia would be having a day 1 rolecall where each person says their role into silence and it is all revealed simultaneously. Then, since in this save you have a very low chance of a death a night (1/13+1/12 for the mafia killing to be activated) it is a simple case of eliminating possibilities. In this save that might not be the best because it's all town random and we don't know the probabilities behind each role appearing but that logic would apply in almost all games of SC2 Mafia. Also the inability to use your role is useful as a cover up for explaining why you couldn't invest someone so you couldn't set up chains like you do in normal games that force a mafia out.

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Also no one explained what happened in a tie or no vote scenario. Do we just role a dice on who to lynch? Is there a defence stage in this game or is just an instant lynch?

[QUOTE=ThePaladin;548878]Because the mechanic of this save is mandatory lynch.[/QUOTE]

Vote no one what happens? That's just the same, also people were saying it was justified even if it wasn't.

ie this nonsense " In a balanced setup, a no-lynch day 1 only benefits the scum. "

Originally Posted by ThePaladin

Because the mechanic of this save is mandatory lynch.

Vote no one what happens? That's just the same, also people were saying it was justified even if it wasn't.

ie this nonsense " In a balanced setup, a no-lynch day 1 only benefits the scum. "

I'm confused how you justify a day 1 random lynch?

There is more town than not so statistically it is a bad play.

On the same basis because there are more town, they should more consistently gain knowledge over time. ie two town invest to maf one invest.

I'm confused how you justify a day 1 random lynch?

There is more town than not so statistically it is a bad play.

On the same basis because there are more town, they should more consistently gain knowledge over time. ie two town invest to maf one invest.

Account Name: SoMuch
Account ID: 1-S2-1-677001
In-Game Name: Mario

Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Was culted Day 3, revealed all other cult and then said that he always game throws as cult, FireBringer routinely kicks and warns people who reveal accurate roles as evil so even if they win or it makes them look like jester

Account Name: SoMuch
Account ID: 1-S2-1-677001
In-Game Name: Mario

Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Was culted Day 3, revealed all other cult and then said that he always game throws as cult, FireBringer routinely kicks and warns people who reveal accurate roles as evil so even if they win or it makes them look like jester

Boy don't you hate how taxes go up whenever there is war?

Boy don't you hate how taxes go up whenever there is war?

Yeah but this forum is dead as a graveyard so who cares if one of the posts is necro'd? Better than no discussion. When you have posts on the front page from another year are you really out competing active space or whatever the fucking issue with necromancy is?

Also complaining wasn't the main point, the main point was getting the attention of people who have experienced this issue in order to see if they have information on it.

Yeah but this forum is dead as a graveyard so who cares if one of the posts is necro'd? Better than no discussion. When you have posts on the front page from another year are you really out competing active space or whatever the fucking issue with necromancy is?

Also complaining wasn't the main point, the main point was getting the attention of people who have experienced this issue in order to see if they have information on it.

IT'S NOT THE WIKI. HOW RARE IS IT? PLS CLARIFY. I just got this in my save on a 2 shot revolver, I pulled it, passed it, jammed, and was passed back.

Also, in real russian roulette, you got to fire, you don't get to pass because the trigger didn't pull or the gun jammed in some other way.

IT'S NOT THE WIKI. HOW RARE IS IT? PLS CLARIFY. I just got this in my save on a 2 shot revolver, I pulled it, passed it, jammed, and was passed back.

Also, in real russian roulette, you got to fire, you don't get to pass because the trigger didn't pull or the gun jammed in some other way.

/sign, I support achievements in SC2Mafia for Forum Mafia

/sign, I support achievements in SC2Mafia for Forum Mafia

Account Name: Skyscraper
Account ID: 1-S2-1-1993260
In-Game Name: Mayor

Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: UNREAL DOUBLE GAME THROWING.

Basically, it got to tie breaker, 3-2-1, Dragon Head, Administrator, Interrogator, Bus Driver, Doctor, Arsonist.

I kept kidnapping Arson, told the triad not to attack since we won the draw. I waited to vote 8 so it would be at the last couple of seconds so the ballot would tie, no one would be lynched and we would win draw.

1, MAYOR, A TRIAD MEMBER, THEN VOTED FOR ME, ALONG WITH TOWN AND ARSON, LYNCHING ME WHEN WE WERE 15 SECONDS FOR WINNING THE GAME.

This is at 24:00 in the replay

This is a 40 minute game completely thrown by him.

However, then 4, lynched the arson (thinking triad would make a mistake again or that town won a draw with triad).

So it went to another draw.

AND AGAIN, THE TRIAD DECIDED TO VOTE 4, AND 1 CHANGED HIS VOTE TO 9 SO THAT THE TOWN LYNCHED AND HE LOST.

This is so much worse throwing than instantly revealing Dragon Head because we used 40 minutes of our lives for this.

Account Name: Skyscraper
Account ID: 1-S2-1-1993260
In-Game Name: Mayor

Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: UNREAL DOUBLE GAME THROWING.

Basically, it got to tie breaker, 3-2-1, Dragon Head, Administrator, Interrogator, Bus Driver, Doctor, Arsonist.

I kept kidnapping Arson, told the triad not to attack since we won the draw. I waited to vote 8 so it would be at the last couple of seconds so the ballot would tie, no one would be lynched and we would win draw.

1, MAYOR, A TRIAD MEMBER, THEN VOTED FOR ME, ALONG WITH TOWN AND ARSON, LYNCHING ME WHEN WE WERE 15 SECONDS FOR WINNING THE GAME.

This is at 24:00 in the replay

This is a 40 minute game completely thrown by him.

However, then 4, lynched the arson (thinking triad would make a mistake again or that town won a draw with triad).

So it went to another draw.

AND AGAIN, THE TRIAD DECIDED TO VOTE 4, AND 1 CHANGED HIS VOTE TO 9 SO THAT THE TOWN LYNCHED AND HE LOST.

This is so much worse throwing than instantly revealing Dragon Head because we used 40 minutes of our lives for this.

He wasn't bussed

He wasn't bussed

Don't worry the train leavers get reported too

Don't worry the train leavers get reported too

Well the Europe bit was easy now just to restore my old American points ^^, shame about the achievement at least Forever Alone was the only one I didn't have on America that I had on Europe.

Well the Europe bit was easy now just to restore my old American points ^^, shame about the achievement at least Forever Alone was the only one I didn't have on America that I had on Europe.

Night one:

Bodyguard (6) protects 9 (BD).

Interrogator (12) kidnaps 1 (sheriff).

Interrogator (4) kidnaps 15 (jailor).

Doctor (10) protects 9 (BD).

BD (9) swaps 1 (Sheriff) with 10 (Doctor).

Both interrogators kill, neither works. Neither was roleblocked, their targets were not healed, protected or immune at night yet it doesn't work. What's going on here?

For both interrogators it said they were immune and both prisoners it said they escaped while your captor was getting the gun.

Night one:

Bodyguard (6) protects 9 (BD).

Interrogator (12) kidnaps 1 (sheriff).

Interrogator (4) kidnaps 15 (jailor).

Doctor (10) protects 9 (BD).

BD (9) swaps 1 (Sheriff) with 10 (Doctor).

Both interrogators kill, neither works. Neither was roleblocked, their targets were not healed, protected or immune at night yet it doesn't work. What's going on here?

For both interrogators it said they were immune and both prisoners it said they escaped while your captor was getting the gun.

Account Name: FukSCII
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6359415
In-Game Name: Lothario Bello

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2 he claimed 9 was triad, 9 and 5 both quit the same night.

Account Name: Azzid
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4953987
In-Game Name: Mr. Corrupted

Crimes Committed: pointhacking/gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Quit after with 9. Also point hacking.

Account Name: Petey
Account ID: 1-S2-1-7265733
In-Game Name: King Petey

Crimes Committed: gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Quit after 3 called him out (he didn't even get voted up), and put triad roles in his lw.

Account Name: FukSCII
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6359415
In-Game Name: Lothario Bello

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2 he claimed 9 was triad, 9 and 5 both quit the same night.

Account Name: Azzid
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4953987
In-Game Name: Mr. Corrupted

Crimes Committed: pointhacking/gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Quit after with 9. Also point hacking.

Account Name: Petey
Account ID: 1-S2-1-7265733
In-Game Name: King Petey

Crimes Committed: gamethrowing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Quit after 3 called him out (he didn't even get voted up), and put triad roles in his lw.

That's not me if any of you would just right click on my profile and look you would see that I actually own the game unlike the point hacker. You guys must be new to SC2 Mafia if you haven't seen the bots faking people's names.

Also my profile picture is the one for beating WoL which is impossible to get without owning the game and protip: hackers who get their accounts banned don't buy the game they just use the free to play game.

That's not me if any of you would just right click on my profile and look you would see that I actually own the game unlike the point hacker. You guys must be new to SC2 Mafia if you haven't seen the bots faking people's names.

Also my profile picture is the one for beating WoL which is impossible to get without owning the game and protip: hackers who get their accounts banned don't buy the game they just use the free to play game.

Ay, also in relation to this:

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/34307-TunayFener-2-S2-1-6012787-RaegoN-2-S2-1-1160670?p=545500&viewfull=1#post545500[/url]

Since you're dumping EU can I get my EU points and achievements transferred to NA as well as my previous restored points.

Thanks

Attached is my last EU game (the game itself is irrelevant and just pure shit absolutely terrible save): 2562 Points, 46 Victiories, 91 Games Played. (Plus the point update from finishing the game)

Achievements: Forever Alone, Flawless Victory, Divine Guidance, State Religion, Suicide Hotline, Hoist by His Own Molotov, Half Town, Half Neutral

Roles I haven't won as (-alist):

Spy, Bodyguard, Mayor, Detective, Marshall, Crier
Mafioso, Consigliere, Framer, Janitor, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Kidnapper, Agent
Jester, Arsonist, Amnesiac, Cultist, Witch Doctor, Auditor
Enforcer, Dragon Head, Liason, Administrator, Forger, Incense Master, Silencer, Informant, Interrogator, Vanguard

Compare this to my America (-alist):
Citizen, Mason
Mafioso, Consort, Consigliere, Janitor, Blackmailer
Witch, Arsonist, Cultist, Judge
Enforcer, Administrator, Forger, Incense Master, Silencer

So Citizen, Mason, Consort, Witch, and Judge need removed from my America -alist

And Forever Alone achievement unlocked

Ay, also in relation to this:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post545500

Since you're dumping EU can I get my EU points and achievements transferred to NA as well as my previous restored points.

Thanks

Attached is my last EU game (the game itself is irrelevant and just pure shit absolutely terrible save): 2562 Points, 46 Victiories, 91 Games Played. (Plus the point update from finishing the game)

Achievements: Forever Alone, Flawless Victory, Divine Guidance, State Religion, Suicide Hotline, Hoist by His Own Molotov, Half Town, Half Neutral

Roles I haven't won as (-alist):

Spy, Bodyguard, Mayor, Detective, Marshall, Crier
Mafioso, Consigliere, Framer, Janitor, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Kidnapper, Agent
Jester, Arsonist, Amnesiac, Cultist, Witch Doctor, Auditor
Enforcer, Dragon Head, Liason, Administrator, Forger, Incense Master, Silencer, Informant, Interrogator, Vanguard

Compare this to my America (-alist):
Citizen, Mason
Mafioso, Consort, Consigliere, Janitor, Blackmailer
Witch, Arsonist, Cultist, Judge
Enforcer, Administrator, Forger, Incense Master, Silencer

So Citizen, Mason, Consort, Witch, and Judge need removed from my America -alist

And Forever Alone achievement unlocked

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/34307-TunayFener-2-S2-1-6012787-RaegoN-2-S2-1-1160670?p=545500&viewfull=1#post545500[/url]

Regarding this, if that is so is there any way of telling the people on Europe that. So that they can switch to America server and play there. There's enough active players on EU to usually have a single game going (when it's not early morning), America I find can host 2 games at one time slowing down to ages in the early hours around 10 UTC. As such it would be super helpful if Europeans (such as myself) switched to America so conglomerate with Europeans already over there and other people who are awake at that time.

When will you be taking it off the Arcade?

Also, side note Blizzard suck there should never have been separate servers in the first place. They divided a population of a dying game even further.

It's a shame as EU has no bots and you can kick people.

Also America is full of people who take host and just kick people all day, it's unplayable.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post545500

Regarding this, if that is so is there any way of telling the people on Europe that. So that they can switch to America server and play there. There's enough active players on EU to usually have a single game going (when it's not early morning), America I find can host 2 games at one time slowing down to ages in the early hours around 10 UTC. As such it would be super helpful if Europeans (such as myself) switched to America so conglomerate with Europeans already over there and other people who are awake at that time.

When will you be taking it off the Arcade?

Also, side note Blizzard suck there should never have been separate servers in the first place. They divided a population of a dying game even further.

It's a shame as EU has no bots and you can kick people.

Also America is full of people who take host and just kick people all day, it's unplayable.

He is still around, I can confirm.

He is still around, I can confirm.

Another bump. As I said these are 100% replays since they were used for the purpose of reporting and were all looked through and vetted.

Since my attachments have replays numbered from (<2012)

83, 263, 269, 277, 336, 367 and all of those replays were watched and vetted, none of them were shouted at my for being point hacking and I can remember choosing my execution, and we can just assume that my very last game was my report I think that should verify that I played and got to 5k at least.

Also, on NA my replays just hit 368, and I have 6k+ points. So 5k+ lost.


Here is my NA ID if you're not allowed to switch points between servers: 1-S2-1-2951151. I play on NA and EU now but since these replays are on NA I guess it makes sense to restore to them.

I do not know why the attachment links don't work on the old files. They're still taking up space on the server according to my user profile:


[url]https://i.imgur.com/rc2YxeR.png[/url]

[url]https://i.imgur.com/FrRHbf5.png[/url]

Though I think we can safely assume this isn't a 4 year in the making plan to get 5k extra points

Another bump. As I said these are 100% replays since they were used for the purpose of reporting and were all looked through and vetted.

Since my attachments have replays numbered from (<2012)

83, 263, 269, 277, 336, 367 and all of those replays were watched and vetted, none of them were shouted at my for being point hacking and I can remember choosing my execution, and we can just assume that my very last game was my report I think that should verify that I played and got to 5k at least.

Also, on NA my replays just hit 368, and I have 6k+ points. So 5k+ lost.


Here is my NA ID if you're not allowed to switch points between servers: 1-S2-1-2951151. I play on NA and EU now but since these replays are on NA I guess it makes sense to restore to them.

I do not know why the attachment links don't work on the old files. They're still taking up space on the server according to my user profile:


https://i.imgur.com/rc2YxeR.png

https://i.imgur.com/FrRHbf5.png

Though I think we can safely assume this isn't a 4 year in the making plan to get 5k extra points

But bank hackers can already give all their points away, since bank hackers have ridiculously high bet limits...

As long as they make the minimum under someone else's total points they can give away their points. This change makes zero difference for people with more points than anyone else.

But bank hackers can already give all their points away, since bank hackers have ridiculously high bet limits...

As long as they make the minimum under someone else's total points they can give away their points. This change makes zero difference for people with more points than anyone else.

Pretty simple, when you press help and scroll to your name it should say the net change from roulette.

Are you up 1,000 points or down 10,000?

Also why is there a roulette cap anyway? What's the point? Just have it so you can put a max bet as well as min bet on your roulette tables, but if there's no max bet you can bet all your points.

Pretty simple, when you press help and scroll to your name it should say the net change from roulette.

Are you up 1,000 points or down 10,000?

Also why is there a roulette cap anyway? What's the point? Just have it so you can put a max bet as well as min bet on your roulette tables, but if there's no max bet you can bet all your points.

N1: 1, the lookout watches 8, 8 is visited by 11, 5 and 14. [url]https://i.imgur.com/zAFg1v3.png[/url]
N1: 11 is in jail (kidnapped), 11 visits no one as jail victims do. 11 was not bussed.
N1: 14 switches with 12.
N1: 8 switches with 12.
N1: 5 attacks 8 as Godfather.

14 ends up dying.

There is no Witch as Neutral Evil is Mass Murderer/Arsonist.

(By the way 11 was going to switch with 12 too, had they not been jailed what would have been the final result of those 3 switches?)

Replay is attached.

Another amusing thing is that 8 switches 9 and 1. 11 switches 8 and 11. 5 attacks 8, vigi shoots 9.

N1: 1, the lookout watches 8, 8 is visited by 11, 5 and 14. https://i.imgur.com/zAFg1v3.png
N1: 11 is in jail (kidnapped), 11 visits no one as jail victims do. 11 was not bussed.
N1: 14 switches with 12.
N1: 8 switches with 12.
N1: 5 attacks 8 as Godfather.

14 ends up dying.

There is no Witch as Neutral Evil is Mass Murderer/Arsonist.

(By the way 11 was going to switch with 12 too, had they not been jailed what would have been the final result of those 3 switches?)

Replay is attached.

Another amusing thing is that 8 switches 9 and 1. 11 switches 8 and 11. 5 attacks 8, vigi shoots 9.

A bus driver gave you a ride to some place else. You were switched!

You gave yourself a ride to some place else. You were switched! (Note it's spelled someplace which is wrong in the actual game)

I bus myself pretty much the entire game, and sometimes it says the first, and sometimes it says the second.

If two bus drivers switch themselves with each other how does it work? Who takes order of preference?

I thought you had to do that to get gates of steiner achievement but so far every time I've done something like that it only says one of the above.

A bus driver gave you a ride to some place else. You were switched!

You gave yourself a ride to some place else. You were switched! (Note it's spelled someplace which is wrong in the actual game)

I bus myself pretty much the entire game, and sometimes it says the first, and sometimes it says the second.

If two bus drivers switch themselves with each other how does it work? Who takes order of preference?

I thought you had to do that to get gates of steiner achievement but so far every time I've done something like that it only says one of the above.

I did read that stuff:

[QUOTE="RULES"]
Lag cheating is when someone shares in-game information over lag chat. It does not matter if the information is true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="what you said"]
I'll do lag-cheating first. Psychosis(10) was still alive at this point and claimed that mafia was 15 when it in fact was not a mafia member. No lag cheating here.[/QUOTE]

They are, as a mafia member, attempting to get people to think 15 is mafia. I do not see how that doesn't apply.

I do realise I should have labelled the Nazi guy Griefing as it fits that: "Example: Lying about being a sheriff just because he want the guy with the colored name to be lynched.", and I guess then it is griefing to kill someone that you know is innocent just because you don't like them. I thought killing who you believe to be town as town would count as gamethrowing but clearly that's my bad.

[QUOTE]He then admits in death chat that he knew that he was inno, but he didn't like him. I can completely understand this given the toxicity. There is no crimes here.[/QUOTE]

mfw you're allowed to deliberately kill people if you don't like them, time go to on a jailing/vigi/mayor/marshall trolling spree.

[QUOTE]
Take a chill pill man, you almost got added to this report because of your attitude in game, it is just a game after all.[/QUOTE]

says the guy who started the report with:

[QUOTE]
I have no idea. I lost brain cells reviewing this.[/QUOTE]

Also there is not a single crime that has anything to do with being toxic, the closest you could get is griefing but I play my role just in a vile manner so that does not apply.

Also it's only a game so why would you want to add people to a report for being mad about a game if it's only a game it doesn't matter if they're mad about it.

I did read that stuff:

Originally Posted by RULES

Lag cheating is when someone shares in-game information over lag chat. It does not matter if the information is true.

Originally Posted by what you said

I'll do lag-cheating first. Psychosis(10) was still alive at this point and claimed that mafia was 15 when it in fact was not a mafia member. No lag cheating here.

They are, as a mafia member, attempting to get people to think 15 is mafia. I do not see how that doesn't apply.

I do realise I should have labelled the Nazi guy Griefing as it fits that: "Example: Lying about being a sheriff just because he want the guy with the colored name to be lynched.", and I guess then it is griefing to kill someone that you know is innocent just because you don't like them. I thought killing who you believe to be town as town would count as gamethrowing but clearly that's my bad.

He then admits in death chat that he knew that he was inno, but he didn't like him. I can completely understand this given the toxicity. There is no crimes here.

mfw you're allowed to deliberately kill people if you don't like them, time go to on a jailing/vigi/mayor/marshall trolling spree.

Take a chill pill man, you almost got added to this report because of your attitude in game, it is just a game after all.

says the guy who started the report with:

I have no idea. I lost brain cells reviewing this.

Also there is not a single crime that has anything to do with being toxic, the closest you could get is griefing but I play my role just in a vile manner so that does not apply.

Also it's only a game so why would you want to add people to a report for being mad about a game if it's only a game it doesn't matter if they're mad about it.

Account Name: DonAdriano
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5138455
In-Game Name: Adolf Hitler, and a bunch of swastikas

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2, he was put up on trial, he made no attempt to defend himself and said 9 should be lynched for having a Jewish name. He is clearly a capable player having that many points yet had incomplete LW.

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Account Name: Dimii
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4538468
In-Game Name: Dimii

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2, the bus-driver claimed that he was sheriff and that 8 was mafia. Town of course, being massive idiots, listened to this. 6 then claimed exe afterwards.

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Account Name: Jonny
Account ID: 1-S2-1-1849237
In-Game Name: Luke is the new SITH

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Jailed me, then asked for me LW (which I posted during the day), I gave it to him, he killed me. Which is fine maybe he's just not got less neurons than a 5 year old, however at 20:44 in log.

Luke is the new SITH - yeah i knew you were inno
...
...
Luke is the new SITH - but i dont like you
Luke is the new SITH - lol

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Account Name: Catalyst
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5521923
In-Game Name: I Shot The Sheriff

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: The vigi shot the BD twice, the first time the BD switched himself and 9 died, at this point vigi should have known something strange (beguiler or bd basically), he shot again after I vouched for him.

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Account Name: Psychosis
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3290152
In-Game Name: Jester

Crimes Committed: lag-cheating

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: This guy is a donor and here he is lag-cheating or faking lag-cheating: [url]https://i.imgur.com/HvTDBPt.jpg[/url] He was mafia so by doing so he was trying to get attention away.

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Account Name: Shuozhou, Mikael
Account ID: 1-S2-1-7085202, 1-S2-1-7591005
In-Game Name: tai cena fan, stalin, possibly more

Crimes Committed: game-throwing, skyping

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: 2 claimed BD, 7 knows he wasn't BD, as he wasn't bussed. 15 claimed escort, 7 knows that he is roleblock immune. On day 8 2 and 7 with very little communication lynch 15. In death chat claims of skyping. This changes the win from town to mass murderer.

Account Name: DonAdriano
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5138455
In-Game Name: Adolf Hitler, and a bunch of swastikas

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2, he was put up on trial, he made no attempt to defend himself and said 9 should be lynched for having a Jewish name. He is clearly a capable player having that many points yet had incomplete LW.

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Account Name: Dimii
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4538468
In-Game Name: Dimii

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: On day 2, the bus-driver claimed that he was sheriff and that 8 was mafia. Town of course, being massive idiots, listened to this. 6 then claimed exe afterwards.

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Account Name: Jonny
Account ID: 1-S2-1-1849237
In-Game Name: Luke is the new SITH

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: Jailed me, then asked for me LW (which I posted during the day), I gave it to him, he killed me. Which is fine maybe he's just not got less neurons than a 5 year old, however at 20:44 in log.

Luke is the new SITH - yeah i knew you were inno
...
...
Luke is the new SITH - but i dont like you
Luke is the new SITH - lol

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Account Name: Catalyst
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5521923
In-Game Name: I Shot The Sheriff

Crimes Committed: game-throwing

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: The vigi shot the BD twice, the first time the BD switched himself and 9 died, at this point vigi should have known something strange (beguiler or bd basically), he shot again after I vouched for him.

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Account Name: Psychosis
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3290152
In-Game Name: Jester

Crimes Committed: lag-cheating

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: This guy is a donor and here he is lag-cheating or faking lag-cheating: https://i.imgur.com/HvTDBPt.jpg He was mafia so by doing so he was trying to get attention away.

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Account Name: Shuozhou, Mikael
Account ID: 1-S2-1-7085202, 1-S2-1-7591005
In-Game Name: tai cena fan, stalin, possibly more

Crimes Committed: game-throwing, skyping

Your Account Name: RMcD
Summary: 2 claimed BD, 7 knows he wasn't BD, as he wasn't bussed. 15 claimed escort, 7 knows that he is roleblock immune. On day 8 2 and 7 with very little communication lynch 15. In death chat claims of skyping. This changes the win from town to mass murderer.

[QUOTE]
The 'Max Count' refers to the maximum amount of players that will be assigned a given role at the start of the game[/QUOTE]

3 people acquired the Sheriff role at the start of the game.

The 'Max Count' refers to the maximum amount of players that will be assigned a given role at the start of the game

3 people acquired the Sheriff role at the start of the game.

[url]https://i.imgur.com/N0DzMou.jpg[/url]

The amnesiac was on revealed to town and they became incense master.

2 Town Random can be Sheriff. Town Invest excludes Sheriff. There is also a confirmed Sheriff.

So the max count should be 3, it is instead 2.

There is no deceiver or whatever it is possible, and even if it was incense master already takes triad deception.

Dragon Head says max count: 1.

https://i.imgur.com/N0DzMou.jpg

The amnesiac was on revealed to town and they became incense master.

2 Town Random can be Sheriff. Town Invest excludes Sheriff. There is also a confirmed Sheriff.

So the max count should be 3, it is instead 2.

There is no deceiver or whatever it is possible, and even if it was incense master already takes triad deception.

Dragon Head says max count: 1.

That is a very weird rule that should be made clear in game I think. Is it a bug? I think it would be more clear if it was intended.

That is a very weird rule that should be made clear in game I think. Is it a bug? I think it would be more clear if it was intended.

I mean the list of all the attachments I have posted are all the replays here. There's like 6 there's no way they're all broken.

I mean the list of all the attachments I have posted are all the replays here. There's like 6 there's no way they're all broken.

At 22:58 in the log I was converted to Cultist.

I was a Doctor.

Witch Doctor upon conversion was ON.

I became a Cultist, not a Witch Doctor.

Replay is attached.

At 22:58 in the log I was converted to Cultist.

I was a Doctor.

Witch Doctor upon conversion was ON.

I became a Cultist, not a Witch Doctor.

Replay is attached.

I don't ever a see a downside in adding extra options.

I don't ever a see a downside in adding extra options.

What do all the lists do?

What do all the lists do?

Really appreciative of the effort you put into all this will hope to be more precise with my reporting in the future.

Really appreciative of the effort you put into all this will hope to be more precise with my reporting in the future.

Early like when you're dead? Or quitting while alive? What about the animation time between when you are guilty and actually die?

I stay to the end in almost all of my games even if I die night one so shouldn't effect me.

Early like when you're dead? Or quitting while alive? What about the animation time between when you are guilty and actually die?

I stay to the end in almost all of my games even if I die night one so shouldn't effect me.

Ah, yeah that's not quite what I was looking for. Some way to get the information from the save without loading the save so you could do them really quickly.

I'm not sure if you are more likely to get roles you haven't won as. The problem is I only have my own experience to say though, which is why I wanted to analyse my 300 replays or whatever so I could find out if that's true or not. I guess the only way would be to write it down every game what you got.

Ah, yeah that's not quite what I was looking for. Some way to get the information from the save without loading the save so you could do them really quickly.

I'm not sure if you are more likely to get roles you haven't won as. The problem is I only have my own experience to say though, which is why I wanted to analyse my 300 replays or whatever so I could find out if that's true or not. I guess the only way would be to write it down every game what you got.