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    -.- I can't even go to bed with all hell breaking loose.

    Flipping Poland will give us info on Brazil and Kenya as well as a ton of info on train derailments.

    I'm done arguing... If this town is uncooperative, I'll leave it to the scums to kill each other off during the night + town killing roles since day chat is controlled by scum.

    If there is a neutral arms dealer, gun dealers or other blacksmiths - give guns to either myself or Iran.

    If Poland isn't dead by day 6 - I'm not even going to contribute, I'll just vote him and lurk.

    Now let me get some sleep!
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    I'm guessing he lied about some feedback he got during the past who knows how many days he has claimed something.
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    Cyprus just wants to look like he is doing something pro-town.. when he is not. He's been doing that since day1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cyprus View Post
    Russia please confirm Libya's last will.
    I confirm that Libya is an idiot who apparently didn't leave a last will.... why am I not surprised. Or something happened to it, but judging by what he was like in previous days, he probably didn't even write one even though I told him to.

    I donno anymore, I'll find out after the game what happened to his last will.
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    or..... the simplest explanation is that Poland is lying and is scum.
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    @ Saudi

    Roles List:

    VIKING INVADERS
    Ragnar Lodbrok (Hidden Norseman)
    Hidden Norseman
    Hidden Norseman
    Hidden Norseman
    ...

    Defined Roles List, including Sub-roles:

    Ragnar Lodbrok:
    Immune to attacks, including poison.
    Immune to Sheriff detection.
    Receives an additional Norseman role.
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    Fun fact: 4 (5 with brazil) people on the Germany train voted against Norway. +Poland who I'm convinced is scum. And I can't say I trust the other 3 either - or at least they haven't given me any reason to trust them.

    FM Germany (8 [L-3]):
    FM Poland, FM Sweden, FM Kenya, FM Cyprus, FM Japan, FM Argentina, FM Saudi Arabia, FM Thailand

    +(Brazil) Fueling germany lynch but is currently not on the train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Germany View Post
    I think its funny that you actually believe polands claim. I thought you were a better player then that.
    Oh he is... which is why he needs to tread lightly, I already suspect him but don't have enough evidence to mount a decent argument to lynch him, I have a ton of evidence against Poland and I'm still pulling teeth and nails with this town to get something done about it.
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    I do remember Germany claiming on day 2 that he had no feedback to report but said that he couldn't say the same for his target... hinting PR.

    This sounds like something a bulletproof would do. Still havent had a chance to evaluate all of Germanys actions/posts/train rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Costa Rica View Post
    not if we win this, mvp usually goes to winning faction. but there'll probably be 2 again anyway + players choice. not like it matters yet.

    so russia, what do you think of sweden and my mafia result on him. tbh i dont see a train on poland atm going through atm, and maybe also not on sweden, so we can just hope germany is scum which would confirm poland. but if you really think poland is lying about germany you should support the sweden train.
    keep in mind poland could also be ghosted today, he didnt made a code iirc
    I'll argue MVP in epilogue when everything is clear.

    Due to the extreme lack of confirmable information from the role list, death descriptions, roles in graveyard, last wills, etc. I'm focussing on 1 person at a time. Right now that is Poland and I won't rest until I see his name in the graveyard.

    Until I get back onto my computer and stop posting from my phone, I'm not going to look at anyone else in depth because I can't search posts and analyze from my phone.

    Other that you saying Sweden is scum and some other people saying she looks scummy, I don't have an informed opinion about Sweden. I'd have to go look at the voting patterns on all the trains to get a clearer picture.

    Has anyone presented any evidence against Sweden other than saying she looks scummy? Who explained why she looks scummy? Or is the only thing we have is your night result...
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    Soko was the most anti-town spammer here. Not MVP.

    MVP will probably go to a scum player because of the chaos they've caused that have town running in circles.
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    Hypothetical question: if you were a vigilante and a scummy person claimed sheriff and said he had a guilty result on you... Wouldn't you shoot that person the next night?

    Poland claimed attacked and healed yesterday, Brazil claimed he protected him. South Korea dies and lw said she attacked canada... All regular attacks accounted for when Egypt died to poison.

    Something does not add up here. I don't know what roles scum have but everything is pointing to Poland being scum.

    I haven't looked at Germany too much yet but from what I see the only argument against him that has value is Poland saying he got a guilty result on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Iran View Post
    Russia, was toNight's convertion a success? Or ML is still a jackass?
    ML is an afk/lurking jackass that doesn't send in night actions on time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Brazil View Post
    If anyone is sheriff then please reveal previous scan results, no matter if it may or may not against your case.
    If you think majority are idiots then you should lose.
    There is no way to win if majority town are idiotic.
    Therefore, bury everything in last will is plainly stupid.
    1- don't have any other results.. they are all dead.
    2- I'm counting on most dumb town not reading day ... its the only way I can see people trusting Poland despite the huge amount of evidence against him.
    3- I agree - failed to lynch yesterday makes this game seem like a lost cause.
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    Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

    I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!
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    Libya wasn't vented, vents don't have access to mason chat and he posted the code we agreed on from it. I did suspect Egypt being vented/ghost possessed though.
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    Does mass murderer erase last wills? I can't see the bullet points in the role cards.

    If not, why would you think mm?
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    Since it's day 5, I think now is a good time for all investigative PRs to claim and give their feedback. We should be able to narrow down the suspect list with 4 nights of investigations.. Stupid Egypt never told us his n3 target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM USA View Post
    libya was killed by a mass murderer. that is the only explanation.
    where the fuck is his last will. i'm serious.
    I'm wondering the same thing since his last will was suppose to confirm me. And why does Egypt not have a last will. >
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Brazil View Post
    There is no poison report and no interview, only one kill.
    So South Korean was indeed the town killer, and there is no tailor.
    Kinda jumping the gun on the no poison report aren't you? Hardly anyone has posted.

    I'd vote you too but can only lynch 1 person per day.

    Cyprus... Do you leave feedback with your targets? In other words does the witch know your role?
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    Oh look! Egypt was poisoned and not Poland. Too much kpn for him to be attacked and healed adding to his lies.
    -vote FM Poland



    Go read day 4 for my full list of arguments against him.
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    I'm heading off to work. Will not be able to check forums for the rest of the day. Poland is still my strongest suspect so my vote will stay on him.
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    Yea... Thx for your fake help.
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    Still avoiding your last nights target question.
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    I didn't want to claim idiot and how else would I explain being in a night chat with the other masons
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Poland View Post
    Stick around we need to talk about the architect.

    How do you know the architect isn't vented?
    Because there is none. Couldn't see the bullets in the role cards that said that from my phone using the forum app. I've already sent a pm to the host asking him to replace the bullets with simple dashes.

    I'm a mason. And I have not been getting along with the others.

    LYNCH POLAND!
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    With all the attacks night - you are trying to tell me that mafia didn't do anything to stop Poland from checking someone. Leaving it up to the toxic man to stop a sheriff. I don't buy it, especially with this suit claim.
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    D3 had no leader and was chaos. All the other leads today are based on weak arguments. Poland is not vented or possessed today so don't even try.

    If anyone is possessed today it's Egypt which is partly why I want to wait before going after him.

    I wish someone credible would take the town leader position but I doubt that will happen. Knowing who the masons are, I highly doubt that any of them have the fm skills needed to command the day. Already most of you including me hate their night actions strategy.
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    I dont want what happened yesterday to happen again. I won't be online for the final 6 hours today and I don't see anyone fit to lead the town.
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    Spain is on polands team. He has been deflecting anything said about Poland since the start of today. Starting a train on Germany now is just another attempt to deflect pressure off Poland.
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    Poland also lied about getting a vest yesterday. Which from my point of view hurt Norways claim. And I'm glad the gun holder (I think it was Iran) didn't cc to open himself to being witched.
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    Yes I'm ignoring the possibility of a framer - this is deliberate, same reason I'm ignoring certain other roles because I don't think they are in the setup. I have to start some where's or I'll run in circles with possible explanations. How many mafia do you think are left?
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    @ Mexico : no cult would claim mason on d2 without knowing for sure that mason didn't exist. It would result in them being purged that night.

    Plz stop being stupid. Libya is a mason.
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    For Poland to be a sheriff, he is being very uncooperative.

    Even if Brazil did protect him, look at the facts:

    he has yet to give us his n3 target, he has been avoiding that question. Probably because he is worried that I know who he visited.

    His attitude towards South Korea d3 before his super fake reveal tells me that he is not a sheriff. He made it too obvious that he was about to fake claim sheriff.

    I think mafia were taken by surprise that a train actually did form onto South Korea as a result and they did damage control last night by tailoring South Korea as a vig.

    Tell me, if you were vigilante, would you ignore all of someone's day 2 posts and shoot New Zealand off of something he mentioned d1? I wouldn't, my reads are constantly evolving.

    The problem about the tailor:

    if South Korea wasn't tailored then Poland lied about getting a guilty feedback.

    If South Korea was tailored then Poland lied today about getting a suit to cover it up.

    With all these things put together - why is it soo hard to lynch Poland?
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    Egypt only posted 2-3 times today... Ghost or faking ghost- I can't tell. But the lack of spam is nice.

    Poland- who did you check
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Brazil View Post
    If no one wants to role call, then I confirm Poland. How's that?
    I'll hold you to that, if Poland flips scum-you'll be added to the top of my suspects. I don't really have a read on you yet so...


    I'm currently running on fumes, need to get some sleep. Been up since this morning when day started.

    Good night. Will hopefully have a good lynch suspect when I wake up.

    I've yet to hear any "role feedback" from Japan, Egypt or Poland today... which isn't helping Polands case imo.




    Oh, btw new mason confirmed being recruited. And the Architect is not vented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Brazil View Post

    If no one want to role call then I claim protective.
    If you claim protective, would you like to confirm or deny healing Colombia and Poland?
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    Yes, I've noticed that India is super heavy lurking... I have him down for 0 posts d1, 1 post day 2 and 1 post day 3.

    (after checking the vote counter)

    How did figi get soo many votes.. I'm gonna have to backtrack and see what I missed while skimming.
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    It's still a theory right now... I can't see how he would have known Greenland was scum just by guessing/post analysis of d1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Russia View Post
    He also retracted that claim in his first post day 2... and ignored his "feedback" on the Norway lynch so I don't trust him.
    Colombia claimed the attack/healed before Egypt made his first post. And Egypt could easily said it was a reaction test later on if he thought that Greenland was immune... I think Egypt figured it out that his poison attack was sent to Colombia... and neither of them claimed bus driven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Argentina View Post
    But he said he was sher and got a mafia result on Greenland. If he had shown up as an immune role EVERYONE would've assumed Egypt was a neutral killer.
    He also retracted that claim in his first post day 2... and ignored his "feedback" on the Norway lynch so I don't trust him.
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    Like I said - I'd like a PR to check Egypt before pushing on this suspicion.
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    Valid point, but Greenland posted before Egypt and never claimed attacked or poisoned- and Egypt gave him quite a few hours before claiming sheriff on him. Looks like taking advantage of the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM Costa Rica View Post
    why would mafia do this? kill lurky targets and dress them as mafia
    just to help the sk?
    also vigi can't kill sk, so him disguising is the only option.
    or there is no tailor. there is no real proof for tailor, is there

    I highly suspect there being a tailor in the game, however, I also highly doubt that they have a lawyer, so tailoring town roles who make last wills is kinda pointless. I expect them to tailor themselves to look town, (like South Korea) and lurkers who rarely make last wills (like New Zealand)

    Toxicwasterole is confirmed since no other role could have killed England at the end of the day.

    Here is my theory, Toxicaman poisoned Poland, just like he said.... but I don't beleive the healing part, there were much better heal targets out there than a scummy looking fake sheriff claim. In other words, I think Poland was immune - aka Ragnar Lodbrok.

    Also I think I might have an idea who this toxicmaniac is.. it would explain a situations rather well. I almost got it yesterday by thinking that Egypt healed Greenland ... but it was the other way around - Egypt Poisoned Greenland... which ended up failing and being redirected to Colombia. That would also explain why Egypt went along with this Norway lynch ignoring supposed sheriff information. I'd like to test that theory out with a Pr checking Egypt before lynching Egypt though... It has been odd that mafia hasn't done anything to stop Egypt from doing sheriff duty - possibly because they tried and failed or got some kind of indication that Egypt is an extra KPN.
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    I'd like to personally thank whoever killed South Korea... It's not taking me 2 hours to read a bunch of spam like it was yesterday.

    Anyways I'm off to work and won't be able to check the forums for the next 10 hours. Not even from my phone.

    Later.
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    All the more reasons I don't believe you were attacked last night.
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    Colombia could have been poisoned and healed.
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    I'll have to check my notes when I get home on that. Either way you were still the least credible day 3. Doesn't explain your sheriff claim.
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    I still say Poland is scum and have yet to hear a valid reason why he is not. Unless South Korea was suited, his sheriff claim is BS, he acted vented yesterday and didn't solve his code from day 2 until today. Claimed he got a vest when he didn't (I factored this in when voting Norway)

    Claims he was attacked and healed and suited today... I see better targets for healers than him.

    Anyone want to defend him or want to throw their two cents on this?


    Btw Kenya is looking more town to me today, but my opinion may change again.
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    And yes I agree that masons are stupid for huntin a needle in the haystack cult.
    If cult exist in this game, killing the cult leader kills all but 1 cult member. Start recruiting masons and ignore cult.

    Spent most of last night arguing that point with them.
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