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This happened yesterday in a game I was amne. I got roleblocked by an escort as Amne when I should be immune.

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This happened yesterday in a game I was amne. I got roleblocked by an escort as Amne when I should be immune.

Here's one I've been working on:

Mason Leader
Mason
Sheriff
Coroner
Mayor (Retains votes in cult)
Town Prot (Doc/BG only)
Town Kill (Vig/Jail only)
Town Random
Town Random
Town Random
Neut Killing (No Immunity)
Neut Random
Neut Random
Cultist
Witch Doctor

The only people who get immunity are survivors and executioners. Everyone else has to fend for themselves. Additionally, Sheriff can only detect cult, Invest is banned completely, Mason cannot be randomed, and there is a very low chance for a doc/bg/citizen to appear from a random slot. Doc/BG can protect against cult conversions, so as a tradeoff, cultists get to convert every night.

Here's one I've been working on:

Mason Leader
Mason
Sheriff
Coroner
Mayor (Retains votes in cult)
Town Prot (Doc/BG only)
Town Kill (Vig/Jail only)
Town Random
Town Random
Town Random
Neut Killing (No Immunity)
Neut Random
Neut Random
Cultist
Witch Doctor

The only people who get immunity are survivors and executioners. Everyone else has to fend for themselves. Additionally, Sheriff can only detect cult, Invest is banned completely, Mason cannot be randomed, and there is a very low chance for a doc/bg/citizen to appear from a random slot. Doc/BG can protect against cult conversions, so as a tradeoff, cultists get to convert every night.

With custom games beginning to show up on that game, I think it is about time to create a Mafia equivalent for Dota 2 custom games.

- You can have at least 20 players in the same lobby now (I don't know the maximum).
- As the SC2 population is beginning to die off in general, Dota 2 is slowly growing.

I think now would be the best time to take advantage of this.

With custom games beginning to show up on that game, I think it is about time to create a Mafia equivalent for Dota 2 custom games.

- You can have at least 20 players in the same lobby now (I don't know the maximum).
- As the SC2 population is beginning to die off in general, Dota 2 is slowly growing.

I think now would be the best time to take advantage of this.

Dota 2 is currently working on its custom games creation. Is it possible to ever move sc2 mafia to the Dota 2 client?

Dota 2 is currently working on its custom games creation. Is it possible to ever move sc2 mafia to the Dota 2 client?

Town Government/Power

You are a ruthless businessman swaying people into the side of the law.

Abilities:
- Convert someone into a Citizen at night.

Special Attributes:
- Does not work on Mafia or Triad.

Options:
- Ignores immunity Y/N.
- Limited to 1 conversion Y/N.
- Limited to 2 conversions Y/N.
- Target knows who you are Y/N.

Notes:
- You do not know other politicians.
- If none of the "limited to X conversions" options are marked, you will have infinite conversions.
- You will know who exactly you tried to convert, even if your target is swapped.
- You will know whether or not your conversion is successful.
- Be careful: your power works on Town roles as well.
- Your ability will not work if you are killed the night you attempt a conversion.
- Even if you fail a conversion, your conversion gets used up anyways.

Town Government/Power

You are a ruthless businessman swaying people into the side of the law.

Abilities:
- Convert someone into a Citizen at night.

Special Attributes:
- Does not work on Mafia or Triad.

Options:
- Ignores immunity Y/N.
- Limited to 1 conversion Y/N.
- Limited to 2 conversions Y/N.
- Target knows who you are Y/N.

Notes:
- You do not know other politicians.
- If none of the "limited to X conversions" options are marked, you will have infinite conversions.
- You will know who exactly you tried to convert, even if your target is swapped.
- You will know whether or not your conversion is successful.
- Be careful: your power works on Town roles as well.
- Your ability will not work if you are killed the night you attempt a conversion.
- Even if you fail a conversion, your conversion gets used up anyways.

[QUOTE=TheDarkestLight;346681]If I worked for Blizzard I would be offended by this harsh personal attack...[/QUOTE]

Good. I hope they are so they can fix their shit.

[QUOTE=Mateo;346682]corporations are not people[/QUOTE]

No, but people run corporations.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

If I worked for Blizzard I would be offended by this harsh personal attack...

Good. I hope they are so they can fix their shit.

Originally Posted by Mateo

corporations are not people

No, but people run corporations.

This is fucking bullshit. I haven't done anything and now they lock my account for no reason at all. I can't get back in now. Fuck blizzard, seriously.

This is fucking bullshit. I haven't done anything and now they lock my account for no reason at all. I can't get back in now. Fuck blizzard, seriously.

[QUOTE=42shadow42;340120][U][B]This can happen easily. The bodyguard will die to the mass murderer without fighting anytime where the mass murders target is not home.[/B][/U]

However, this just happened I was wondering if you were asking specifically about that. I was the MM. #4 Killing the bodyguard at night. If this is the game you are referring to the reason is[COLOR=#ff0000] he didn't target anyone[/COLOR]. I did not target myself. I targeted him.



Edit: Reviewed the replay possible bug text in red actually is not the case. I will have to see if this behavior is intended. Will post replay in a moment.

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Scenario in question.

Bodyguard defends Mass Murderer.
Mass Murderer visits Bodyguard.

Result: Bodyguard dies to Mass Murderer
Expected Result: No deaths occur.[/QUOTE]

Actually it doesnt matter who the MM visits, as long as it isn't himself.

Originally Posted by 42shadow42

This can happen easily. The bodyguard will die to the mass murderer without fighting anytime where the mass murders target is not home.

However, this just happened I was wondering if you were asking specifically about that. I was the MM. #4 Killing the bodyguard at night. If this is the game you are referring to the reason is he didn't target anyone. I did not target myself. I targeted him.



Edit: Reviewed the replay possible bug text in red actually is not the case. I will have to see if this behavior is intended. Will post replay in a moment.

Edit: Replay here

Scenario in question.

Bodyguard defends Mass Murderer.
Mass Murderer visits Bodyguard.

Result: Bodyguard dies to Mass Murderer
Expected Result: No deaths occur.

Actually it doesnt matter who the MM visits, as long as it isn't himself.

Just curious. Because BG can just move around all the time, he can't be killed by MM without killing the MM too can he?

Just curious. Because BG can just move around all the time, he can't be killed by MM without killing the MM too can he?

[QUOTE=SuperJack;334421]Coroners are very powerful people! Be warned![/QUOTE]

That was sarcasm. :3

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Coroners are very powerful people! Be warned!

That was sarcasm. :3

Once again, Arsonist is in a shitty pairing. Jester? Really? The moment an investigator/consigliere finds the arsonist, he is fucked. The invest will just out the arsonist out to the entire town and then a jailor/vig will just jail/shoot the arson/jester and buttsecks them.

No town killing? Just lynch them. If worst come to worst, you may lose a doctor due to a jester suicide.

I think that arsonist should actually be paired with coroner instead while increasing the chances of coroner to spawn because they both use oil, coroner uses it to detect clues and arsonist uses it to burn people.

"Your target owns lots of embalming oil, therefore leading you to believe they are either a Coroner or an Arsonist."

Jester should be paired with Citizen, Crier, and anyone detection immune. Survivor and Amnesiac should be their own pairing.

Once again, Arsonist is in a shitty pairing. Jester? Really? The moment an investigator/consigliere finds the arsonist, he is fucked. The invest will just out the arsonist out to the entire town and then a jailor/vig will just jail/shoot the arson/jester and buttsecks them.

No town killing? Just lynch them. If worst come to worst, you may lose a doctor due to a jester suicide.

I think that arsonist should actually be paired with coroner instead while increasing the chances of coroner to spawn because they both use oil, coroner uses it to detect clues and arsonist uses it to burn people.

"Your target owns lots of embalming oil, therefore leading you to believe they are either a Coroner or an Arsonist."

Jester should be paired with Citizen, Crier, and anyone detection immune. Survivor and Amnesiac should be their own pairing.

[QUOTE=Mateo;331212]only time i see cult NOT win is if the starting cult keeps hitting non recruitable targets, or they die early b4 their numbers grow. not only does recruiting give +1 ally -1 enemy, but when a cult member gets killed, its hard to tell if he was original cultist or converted, and if converted what was his original role? makes it much easier for remaining cult to lie about their roles, much liek how a janitor allows fellow maf to claim town roles with no one to counterclaim them[/QUOTE]

I heard Coroners are useless >.>

Originally Posted by Mateo

only time i see cult NOT win is if the starting cult keeps hitting non recruitable targets, or they die early b4 their numbers grow. not only does recruiting give +1 ally -1 enemy, but when a cult member gets killed, its hard to tell if he was original cultist or converted, and if converted what was his original role? makes it much easier for remaining cult to lie about their roles, much liek how a janitor allows fellow maf to claim town roles with no one to counterclaim them

I heard Coroners are useless >.>

Sometimes, it sucks when a cultist is known and another isn't, and the one who is known is sent to convert while the other who is hidden doesn't, therefore, the known cultist gets killed and there would be no conversion.

There should be a command that chooses which cultist is sent to convert. Something like "-send #" or something.

Sometimes, it sucks when a cultist is known and another isn't, and the one who is known is sent to convert while the other who is hidden doesn't, therefore, the known cultist gets killed and there would be no conversion.

There should be a command that chooses which cultist is sent to convert. Something like "-send #" or something.

Does your save allow cult to convert neutral killers? Why or why not?

I do mostly because it makes the cult better.

Does your save allow cult to convert neutral killers? Why or why not?

I do mostly because it makes the cult better.

Was it deemed overpowered?

Was it deemed overpowered?

It seems the option got removed, and it doesn't say so on the rolecard. Is this a glitch or is it intentional?

It seems the option got removed, and it doesn't say so on the rolecard. Is this a glitch or is it intentional?

[QUOTE=Lazers;312302]Something in Mafia without any viable counter is retarded[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

And if worst comes to worst, the town can just lynch 'em. If it's a Jester, then at least it would have gotten him out of the way to avoid further misinformation from him. And if it's an Arsonist then well...gg.

Originally Posted by Lazers

Something in Mafia without any viable counter is retarded

Exactly.

And if worst comes to worst, the town can just lynch 'em. If it's a Jester, then at least it would have gotten him out of the way to avoid further misinformation from him. And if it's an Arsonist then well...gg.

I feel like WD can be an effective role but really shitty when there's no cultists remaining. This is because WD's conversion relies on luck rather than just point-and-click, which means WD's conversion is more unreliable, which means WD has a higher chance of losing the game. I suggest there be an option where the WD becomes a Cultist when alone.

I feel like WD can be an effective role but really shitty when there's no cultists remaining. This is because WD's conversion relies on luck rather than just point-and-click, which means WD's conversion is more unreliable, which means WD has a higher chance of losing the game. I suggest there be an option where the WD becomes a Cultist when alone.

[QUOTE=Boss;312296]i think the jester and arson got buffed by having invest pair for them. it doesnt need this 'immune tondetection'[/QUOTE]

No, I think it's completely ridiculous. Why? That means the invest can call that pairing out and the jailor will just wtfpwn them because they are both pretty much enemies of everyone.

Originally Posted by Boss

i think the jester and arson got buffed by having invest pair for them. it doesnt need this 'immune tondetection'

No, I think it's completely ridiculous. Why? That means the invest can call that pairing out and the jailor will just wtfpwn them because they are both pretty much enemies of everyone.

Most of them are fine. However, some of them I have criticisms on.

1. Lookout/Arsonist: Once again, the Arsonist is in a shit pairing. Everyone should know how hard it is to fake a Lookout (unless you're an Agent). As such, once the Arsonist is detected by the Investigator, it's game over for him.

2. Jester: Why is he paired with Mayor, Mason Leader, and GF? Everyone ALWAYS makes the GF detection immune, therefore, it's very very very easy to confirm a Jester once an investigator tracks them. Beforehand, investigators often mistook jesters for godfathers, but now, the only way a jester can get lynched is if he acts like a retard and never gets checked.

3. Survivor/Amnesiac: Once again, they are in a shit position because they can possibly be paired with GF and Framer. And besides, even if neither are detection immune, town will just kill them off anyways.

4. Framer: Now, they can roflstomp all over sheriffs, but if an investigator checks them, then they are screwed. This is because I don't believe Framers can frame players as framers.

5. Coroner: It literally has no pairing. No non-unique town role should be this easy to confirm.
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Suggestions:
1. Pair Survivors and Amnesiacs seperately. They're already mostly anti-town as it is, make them loners again.

2. Bring back the cit/sin alignment. It always consists of Citizens and Jesters, but also includes roles that can be immune to detection.

3. Coroner should be paired with Arsonist because Coroners are much easier to fake. It also makes sense because both roles use oil, Coroner use it to determine deaths, and Arsonist uses it to burn people down.

4. Lookout should actually be placed with Detective and Agent because those three combined basically the watchers.

5. Spy should go with Framer because Framer needs a pairing in the event an investigator checks them.

Most of them are fine. However, some of them I have criticisms on.

1. Lookout/Arsonist: Once again, the Arsonist is in a shit pairing. Everyone should know how hard it is to fake a Lookout (unless you're an Agent). As such, once the Arsonist is detected by the Investigator, it's game over for him.

2. Jester: Why is he paired with Mayor, Mason Leader, and GF? Everyone ALWAYS makes the GF detection immune, therefore, it's very very very easy to confirm a Jester once an investigator tracks them. Beforehand, investigators often mistook jesters for godfathers, but now, the only way a jester can get lynched is if he acts like a retard and never gets checked.

3. Survivor/Amnesiac: Once again, they are in a shit position because they can possibly be paired with GF and Framer. And besides, even if neither are detection immune, town will just kill them off anyways.

4. Framer: Now, they can roflstomp all over sheriffs, but if an investigator checks them, then they are screwed. This is because I don't believe Framers can frame players as framers.

5. Coroner: It literally has no pairing. No non-unique town role should be this easy to confirm.
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Suggestions:
1. Pair Survivors and Amnesiacs seperately. They're already mostly anti-town as it is, make them loners again.

2. Bring back the cit/sin alignment. It always consists of Citizens and Jesters, but also includes roles that can be immune to detection.

3. Coroner should be paired with Arsonist because Coroners are much easier to fake. It also makes sense because both roles use oil, Coroner use it to determine deaths, and Arsonist uses it to burn people down.

4. Lookout should actually be placed with Detective and Agent because those three combined basically the watchers.

5. Spy should go with Framer because Framer needs a pairing in the event an investigator checks them.

[QUOTE=Mugy7;296887]Or rolequitters...[/QUOTE]

So you're saying if I need a stump win, I could just:

1. Join a game.
2. Role quit.
3. Join another, get stump.
4. Hope town doesn't go full retard.

That's a stupidly easy way to get a stump win.

Originally Posted by Mugy7

Or rolequitters...

So you're saying if I need a stump win, I could just:

1. Join a game.
2. Role quit.
3. Join another, get stump.
4. Hope town doesn't go full retard.

That's a stupidly easy way to get a stump win.

I know that a Stump is basically a weakened citizen that can't vote, vest, or win ties over mafia. But there are many things I don't get:

- Can a Stump die?
- How does one become a Stump (without starting out as one)?
- What category does a Stump fall into?
- How often can this role appear?
- Does this role even have any options?
- Does this role allow scum to hide within?
- Can this role become a mason/cultist?

I know that a Stump is basically a weakened citizen that can't vote, vest, or win ties over mafia. But there are many things I don't get:

- Can a Stump die?
- How does one become a Stump (without starting out as one)?
- What category does a Stump fall into?
- How often can this role appear?
- Does this role even have any options?
- Does this role allow scum to hide within?
- Can this role become a mason/cultist?

[QUOTE=kyle1234513;287121]wait wait wait wait wait? am i going to have to buy HotS if i want to play sc2 arcade games?[/QUOTE]

Only if arcade games use mods that came from HotS

Originally Posted by kyle1234513

wait wait wait wait wait? am i going to have to buy HotS if i want to play sc2 arcade games?

Only if arcade games use mods that came from HotS

[QUOTE=Boss;286892]why does HOTS 'suck cock?'[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anguss;286908]He's just believing the Blizzard haters that say that about every Blizzard game that gets released....[/QUOTE]

Let's be honest: since Activision merged with Blizzard, they turned to crap. Ever since WoW Cata, SCII (in general) and Diablo 3, I am not buying anymore of their game. Ever.

Originally Posted by Boss

why does HOTS 'suck cock?'

Originally Posted by Anguss

He's just believing the Blizzard haters that say that about every Blizzard game that gets released....

Let's be honest: since Activision merged with Blizzard, they turned to crap. Ever since WoW Cata, SCII (in general) and Diablo 3, I am not buying anymore of their game. Ever.

Let's be honest: as good as Mafia is, I don't know if I will play any longer because I heard HOTS will suck cock. Unless I don't need HOTS to play Mafia, it means I'm completely done soon.

Let's be honest: as good as Mafia is, I don't know if I will play any longer because I heard HOTS will suck cock. Unless I don't need HOTS to play Mafia, it means I'm completely done soon.

It can be a nuisance when writing a last will. When I'm invest, I like to format my lw with that (for example: doc/sk). Now it brings up the chat box.

I can't show you a replay because it's not saved on the comp I'm posting with right now, although I doubt showing a replay means anything anyways.

It can be a nuisance when writing a last will. When I'm invest, I like to format my lw with that (for example: doc/sk). Now it brings up the chat box.

I can't show you a replay because it's not saved on the comp I'm posting with right now, although I doubt showing a replay means anything anyways.

I play Mafia on two different computers. How do I fuse the two banks so that I combine all the points and achievements I earned into one bank?

I play Mafia on two different computers. How do I fuse the two banks so that I combine all the points and achievements I earned into one bank?

Witch. Mainly because the win condition is retarded, given the little protection/killing ability I have.

Witch. Mainly because the win condition is retarded, given the little protection/killing ability I have.

Please make MM a woman.

Please make MM a woman.

[QUOTE=Lysergic;281910]Force20, GF-immune-to-roleblock results in a message for Escort that reveals the GF. It's incredibly powerful for Escort as a scum hunter.[/QUOTE]

I'd rather completely prevent a kill rather than find a block-immune target who could be a veteran, amnesiac, or another escort. Which is why I don't make GF role-block immune, but I still let escorts detect block-immune targets.

[QUOTE=CortoMontez;281911]I think this would work much better as a mafia role with limited charges, since most of the time it will be blocking investigative and protective roles, which are exactly the sort of role which mafia would want blocked.

Also, unlike town, most of the roles mafia wants blocked are NOT block immune.

I also think that the actual target of the Disruptor should not be blocked (unless they are home), otherwise it just becomes a super-consort.[/QUOTE]

I disagree here. As a mafia role it'd be too powerful. Mafia would be invulnerable, and investigative roles will never detect them. Besides, Disruptor NEVER blocks his main target; he won't die if he targets a Serial Killer. On the other hand, if a Serial Killer visits his target...

Originally Posted by Lysergic

Force20, GF-immune-to-roleblock results in a message for Escort that reveals the GF. It's incredibly powerful for Escort as a scum hunter.

I'd rather completely prevent a kill rather than find a block-immune target who could be a veteran, amnesiac, or another escort. Which is why I don't make GF role-block immune, but I still let escorts detect block-immune targets.

Originally Posted by CortoMontez

I think this would work much better as a mafia role with limited charges, since most of the time it will be blocking investigative and protective roles, which are exactly the sort of role which mafia would want blocked.

Also, unlike town, most of the roles mafia wants blocked are NOT block immune.

I also think that the actual target of the Disruptor should not be blocked (unless they are home), otherwise it just becomes a super-consort.

I disagree here. As a mafia role it'd be too powerful. Mafia would be invulnerable, and investigative roles will never detect them. Besides, Disruptor NEVER blocks his main target; he won't die if he targets a Serial Killer. On the other hand, if a Serial Killer visits his target...

[QUOTE=Slaol;281877]It is a weird doctor that instead of stopping killing roles stops everything else. GF won't care, SK will kill him, I assume MM would get priority and kill Disruptor.

1/5, would only include on my own list (of 220 roles) because it is technically different from other roles[/QUOTE]

It's slightly off-topic, but I feel like Escorts are also shitty right now because everyone always has a save where GF has role-block immunity. I think it's a bad idea for GF to have roleblock immunity because it doesn't punish the mafia. Mafia is already the second-strongest faction in the game. And even if Escorts can detect block-immune targets, they can't distinguish between a GF, Vet, or Amne.

Back to my main point, this role would be better if GFs weren't so powerful to begin with. But MM won't get priority. Instead, an MM can kill a Disruptor if the Disruptor targets the MM (similar to the BG where if the BG targets an MM when the MM attempts a spree, the BG is slain).

Originally Posted by Slaol

It is a weird doctor that instead of stopping killing roles stops everything else. GF won't care, SK will kill him, I assume MM would get priority and kill Disruptor.

1/5, would only include on my own list (of 220 roles) because it is technically different from other roles

It's slightly off-topic, but I feel like Escorts are also shitty right now because everyone always has a save where GF has role-block immunity. I think it's a bad idea for GF to have roleblock immunity because it doesn't punish the mafia. Mafia is already the second-strongest faction in the game. And even if Escorts can detect block-immune targets, they can't distinguish between a GF, Vet, or Amne.

Back to my main point, this role would be better if GFs weren't so powerful to begin with. But MM won't get priority. Instead, an MM can kill a Disruptor if the Disruptor targets the MM (similar to the BG where if the BG targets an MM when the MM attempts a spree, the BG is slain).

[QUOTE=creedkingsx;281459]Another anti-town role.
:/[/QUOTE]

Not really. The main point of this role is to keep power roles alive.

I also paired him with framer now.

Originally Posted by creedkingsx

Another anti-town role.
:/

Not really. The main point of this role is to keep power roles alive.

I also paired him with framer now.

Town

"You are a secret sentry who guards people from their peers."

Abilities:
- Target someone each night, roleblocking everyone who visits your target.

Special Attributes:
- You do not roleblock your main target.
- (If you target yourself, you will not roleblock killing roles or Arsonists.) (Optional)
- (You cannot be roleblocked.) (Optional)
- (If you roleblock more than one person in a night, you must wait 1/2 nights before your next visit.) (Optional)

Investigation Notes:
- Your target owns versatile amounts of technology. They are probably a Disruptor, but could also be a Framer.

Options:
- Immune to role-block.
- Can target self.
- 1 night between roleblocks.
- 2 nights between roleblocks.

Town

"You are a secret sentry who guards people from their peers."

Abilities:
- Target someone each night, roleblocking everyone who visits your target.

Special Attributes:
- You do not roleblock your main target.
- (If you target yourself, you will not roleblock killing roles or Arsonists.) (Optional)
- (You cannot be roleblocked.) (Optional)
- (If you roleblock more than one person in a night, you must wait 1/2 nights before your next visit.) (Optional)

Investigation Notes:
- Your target owns versatile amounts of technology. They are probably a Disruptor, but could also be a Framer.

Options:
- Immune to role-block.
- Can target self.
- 1 night between roleblocks.
- 2 nights between roleblocks.

Town - Priest
Take control of a person and force his victim to use his ability on someone else. Basically a town-aligned witch. Can optionally have the ability to be immune to cult conversions.

Town - Engineer
Prime one person each night or detonate everyone previously primed. A town-aligned arsonist.

Neutral - Guardian
No abilities. Granted a target at the start. Wins if target survives to the end, no matter who else is left standing.
- Become jester upon failure Y/N
- Target is never town Y/N
- Immune at night Y/N
- Guardian must survive to the end. Y/N

Town - Priest
Take control of a person and force his victim to use his ability on someone else. Basically a town-aligned witch. Can optionally have the ability to be immune to cult conversions.

Town - Engineer
Prime one person each night or detonate everyone previously primed. A town-aligned arsonist.

Neutral - Guardian
No abilities. Granted a target at the start. Wins if target survives to the end, no matter who else is left standing.
- Become jester upon failure Y/N
- Target is never town Y/N
- Immune at night Y/N
- Guardian must survive to the end. Y/N

As HOTS is coming around, I have a feeling the script size will be raised. Here are some suggestions for new role categories:

[color=green]Town Utility[/color]: A town category with unique support abilities that become more powerful later on.
1. Spy
2. Bus Driver
3. Coroner
4. Mason Leader
- Exclude Bus Driver Y/N
- Exclude Mason Leader Y/N

[color=yellow]Neutral Random[/color]: Can be any non-aligned role in the game.
- Exclude killing roles Y/N
- Exclude non-killing evil roles Y/N

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Some more suggestions for existing role categories and roles themselves:

[color=green]Vigilante[/color]
- Immune to cult conversions Y/N (Useful for cult saves)

[color=green]Spy[/color]
- Always sees true targets Y/N (Currently this is forced on)

[color=green]Bus Driver[/color]
- Victims knows they were swapped Y/N

[color=green]Coroner[/color]
- Discovers original role Y/N (Currently, this is forced on)

[color=green]Jailor[/color]
- Victim granted immunity Y/N

[color=red]Mafioso[/color]
- Ignore immunity Y/N

[color=yellow]Witch[/color]
- Must survive to the end Y/N (Currently, this is forced on)

[color=green]Town Investigative[/color]
- Exclude Investigator Y/N
- Exclude Lookout Y/N
- Exclude Detective Y/N

[color=yellow]Neutral Benign[/color]
- Exclude Executioner Y/N
- Exclude Amnesiac Y/N

[color=yellow]Neutral Killing[/color]
- Exclude Serial Killer Y/N
- Exclude Arsonist Y/N
- Exclude Mass Murderer Y/N

As HOTS is coming around, I have a feeling the script size will be raised. Here are some suggestions for new role categories:

Town Utility: A town category with unique support abilities that become more powerful later on.
1. Spy
2. Bus Driver
3. Coroner
4. Mason Leader
- Exclude Bus Driver Y/N
- Exclude Mason Leader Y/N

Neutral Random: Can be any non-aligned role in the game.
- Exclude killing roles Y/N
- Exclude non-killing evil roles Y/N

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Some more suggestions for existing role categories and roles themselves:

Vigilante
- Immune to cult conversions Y/N (Useful for cult saves)

Spy
- Always sees true targets Y/N (Currently this is forced on)

Bus Driver
- Victims knows they were swapped Y/N

Coroner
- Discovers original role Y/N (Currently, this is forced on)

Jailor
- Victim granted immunity Y/N

Mafioso
- Ignore immunity Y/N

Witch
- Must survive to the end Y/N (Currently, this is forced on)

Town Investigative
- Exclude Investigator Y/N
- Exclude Lookout Y/N
- Exclude Detective Y/N

Neutral Benign
- Exclude Executioner Y/N
- Exclude Amnesiac Y/N

Neutral Killing
- Exclude Serial Killer Y/N
- Exclude Arsonist Y/N
- Exclude Mass Murderer Y/N

[QUOTE=kyle1234513;280254]before or after a BG steps in saves the day kills the hitman and himself in the process?

before or after hes jailed?

before or after hes roleblocked by escort?

before or after bus driver saves him?

before the sheriff calls him out cuz he isnt det immune? and then last wills hes maf anyway

after the gf dies for being called out as cit/sin by invest?

after the GF gets jailed and theres no night kill?[/quote]

You're making absolutely no sense with this.

[quote]WIFOM is not what this game needs, it needs to go back to the basics, of mafia kills 1 person at night, and town tries to figure out who, not town is handed victory because they have the most OP roles in existance and all they have to do is point and click. there should always be 1 death prevention role, MAX.

its standard to have at least 1 town random, and at least 1 town prot, and 1 doctor included guaranteed. that leaves up to 3 potential doctors in any game of 15 players? thats way too op.

what im asking for 1 mafia role member to appear sometimes in some games, and ignore the doctor? what makes this any different then a consort just sitting on top of the doctor all game?[/QUOTE]

So in short you want a guessing game where any troll can easily imitate sheriff and mislead the town, either because they're mafia or they just want to be a douchebag and ruin games?

First, a Consort and a GF count as two people and a consort can only block one doctor at a time when a second doctor could spawn. Your "hitman" renders ALL doctors completely useless.

For the 3 potential doctors, you didn't even factor in Neutral Killings, Witches, or Cultists. Factor those in and you will see that 3 doctors isn't alot. Not to mention it is really hard to truly prove that your a real doctor. (I once played a game where I was sk and there were 5 doctors and 1 amnesiac who turned doctor. I still won.)

As stated before, you also fuck over neutral killings, making them the worst roles in the game. You also fuck over citizens and survivors because they become useless and all they can really do is die. It's not like Arsonist because Arsonists have to manually prime to kill and they have to save one night to detonate. Not to mention Arsonists are generally without an ally the entire game.

Also, the chances to spawn 3 doctors is rare. Usually at most, you will only get 2 doctors, and they 90% of the time they won't trust each other unless you're playing a rigged save.

The Mafia is the best scum faction in the game because of the versatile tools they might have as well as good voting power.

Originally Posted by kyle1234513

before or after a BG steps in saves the day kills the hitman and himself in the process?

before or after hes jailed?

before or after hes roleblocked by escort?

before or after bus driver saves him?

before the sheriff calls him out cuz he isnt det immune? and then last wills hes maf anyway

after the gf dies for being called out as cit/sin by invest?

after the GF gets jailed and theres no night kill?

You're making absolutely no sense with this.

WIFOM is not what this game needs, it needs to go back to the basics, of mafia kills 1 person at night, and town tries to figure out who, not town is handed victory because they have the most OP roles in existance and all they have to do is point and click. there should always be 1 death prevention role, MAX.

its standard to have at least 1 town random, and at least 1 town prot, and 1 doctor included guaranteed. that leaves up to 3 potential doctors in any game of 15 players? thats way too op.

what im asking for 1 mafia role member to appear sometimes in some games, and ignore the doctor? what makes this any different then a consort just sitting on top of the doctor all game?

So in short you want a guessing game where any troll can easily imitate sheriff and mislead the town, either because they're mafia or they just want to be a douchebag and ruin games?

First, a Consort and a GF count as two people and a consort can only block one doctor at a time when a second doctor could spawn. Your "hitman" renders ALL doctors completely useless.

For the 3 potential doctors, you didn't even factor in Neutral Killings, Witches, or Cultists. Factor those in and you will see that 3 doctors isn't alot. Not to mention it is really hard to truly prove that your a real doctor. (I once played a game where I was sk and there were 5 doctors and 1 amnesiac who turned doctor. I still won.)

As stated before, you also fuck over neutral killings, making them the worst roles in the game. You also fuck over citizens and survivors because they become useless and all they can really do is die. It's not like Arsonist because Arsonists have to manually prime to kill and they have to save one night to detonate. Not to mention Arsonists are generally without an ally the entire game.

Also, the chances to spawn 3 doctors is rare. Usually at most, you will only get 2 doctors, and they 90% of the time they won't trust each other unless you're playing a rigged save.

The Mafia is the best scum faction in the game because of the versatile tools they might have as well as good voting power.

[QUOTE=kyle1234513;280231]and whats the mafia suposed to do when 1 guaranteed doc, a guaranteed bg, 2 town prots, and 2 town randoms turns into 3 doctors, 3 bodyguards, guaranteed invest, mafia just has to keel over and die with zero hope of winning? lets not foget tho, the amnesiac also chooses to be a bodyguard.
ive lived through that game, we killed 2 town in 8 nights, lost our GF night one, sk got called out day 2 to the sheriff. game was over by day 9 with only 3 dead bg's, and the rest were evil/maf.

town doesnt even have to try with that set up, bodyguards would take care of everything in that situation. whats the mafia counter for bodyguard? consort? ok, theres 2 more to take that ones place.[/QUOTE]

That is usually resulted from a rare chance, or the host is a moron. You didn't even factor in neutral killing/evil roles. Factor those in and you will realize that town isn't as powerful as you think.

The Mafia is probably the best faction in the game because they have good voting power as well as versatile tools to help them win, plus the fact they have each other confirmed and can coordinate at night.

[quote]because you know its impossible and will never try it because its a waste of ur time, so all we can conclude is that you think this "hitman" role is bad because it can kill bypass the doctor heal and can actually kill a neutral killer.

just an fyi, maf can kill neutral killer in ANY OTHER mafia game just fine no problems.[/quote]
That IS bad. It's essentially making one of the best protective roles useless as well as removing all kinds of wifom for Mafia and also makes investigative roles and mayor useless as well.

- Want to reveal as mayor? Good luck, you're dead tomorrow.
- Neutral Killers become the worst roles in the game. They can just get obliterated.
- Citizens become completely useless.
- Survivors become terrible, even worse than Amnesiacs.

Originally Posted by kyle1234513

and whats the mafia suposed to do when 1 guaranteed doc, a guaranteed bg, 2 town prots, and 2 town randoms turns into 3 doctors, 3 bodyguards, guaranteed invest, mafia just has to keel over and die with zero hope of winning? lets not foget tho, the amnesiac also chooses to be a bodyguard.
ive lived through that game, we killed 2 town in 8 nights, lost our GF night one, sk got called out day 2 to the sheriff. game was over by day 9 with only 3 dead bg's, and the rest were evil/maf.

town doesnt even have to try with that set up, bodyguards would take care of everything in that situation. whats the mafia counter for bodyguard? consort? ok, theres 2 more to take that ones place.

That is usually resulted from a rare chance, or the host is a moron. You didn't even factor in neutral killing/evil roles. Factor those in and you will realize that town isn't as powerful as you think.

The Mafia is probably the best faction in the game because they have good voting power as well as versatile tools to help them win, plus the fact they have each other confirmed and can coordinate at night.

because you know its impossible and will never try it because its a waste of ur time, so all we can conclude is that you think this "hitman" role is bad because it can kill bypass the doctor heal and can actually kill a neutral killer.

just an fyi, maf can kill neutral killer in ANY OTHER mafia game just fine no problems.

That IS bad. It's essentially making one of the best protective roles useless as well as removing all kinds of wifom for Mafia and also makes investigative roles and mayor useless as well.

- Want to reveal as mayor? Good luck, you're dead tomorrow.
- Neutral Killers become the worst roles in the game. They can just get obliterated.
- Citizens become completely useless.
- Survivors become terrible, even worse than Amnesiacs.

[QUOTE=kyle1234513;279959]its better than an overly complex role with 12 abilities/situational effects which are totaly useless being added. whos sole purpose for being added would be for the sake of adding a new role to satisfy the forums WIFOM hunger.

and besides, whats ur idea for a new mafia role?[/QUOTE]

If you were talking about my Legend, that was a joke role which shouldn't be taken seriously.

Mafia needs more support roles. Why have another killing when GF and Mafioso already do the job? This role just fucks everyone over.
- Oh, is Sheriff being protected by a known Doctor? No problem! Just kick his ass. Ignore the doctor all game.
- What's that? An Arsonist about to burn? No problem just kill him too!

Pretty much makes doctors and neutral killers useless and also makes investigative roles useless as well because as soon as they reveal, they dead. Guaranteed, unless there's a BG.

Originally Posted by kyle1234513

its better than an overly complex role with 12 abilities/situational effects which are totaly useless being added. whos sole purpose for being added would be for the sake of adding a new role to satisfy the forums WIFOM hunger.

and besides, whats ur idea for a new mafia role?

If you were talking about my Legend, that was a joke role which shouldn't be taken seriously.

Mafia needs more support roles. Why have another killing when GF and Mafioso already do the job? This role just fucks everyone over.
- Oh, is Sheriff being protected by a known Doctor? No problem! Just kick his ass. Ignore the doctor all game.
- What's that? An Arsonist about to burn? No problem just kill him too!

Pretty much makes doctors and neutral killers useless and also makes investigative roles useless as well because as soon as they reveal, they dead. Guaranteed, unless there's a BG.

Escort. She's pretty much the slut that no one likes because they perceive her as dirty, manipulative, and only distracts the town from their duties, but when she sleeps with the mafia killers, it helps protect the town. In short, she sleeps with people for good reasons.

Escort. She's pretty much the slut that no one likes because they perceive her as dirty, manipulative, and only distracts the town from their duties, but when she sleeps with the mafia killers, it helps protect the town. In short, she sleeps with people for good reasons.

There was one game I was Amnesiac, a jester got lynched day 1. Then I became a Jester.

There was one town (mayor), one mafia, and me. I claimed survivor. The Mayor immediately thought I was the mafia so he lyched me. Then gf killed mayor and gf suicided due to jester.

Jester wins.

There was one game I was Amnesiac, a jester got lynched day 1. Then I became a Jester.

There was one town (mayor), one mafia, and me. I claimed survivor. The Mayor immediately thought I was the mafia so he lyched me. Then gf killed mayor and gf suicided due to jester.

Jester wins.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;278351]Escort B and D would be blocked.[/QUOTE]

So does that mean Escort C and Doctor E not be blocked then?

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Escort B and D would be blocked.

So does that mean Escort C and Doctor E not be blocked then?

What about music for every faction win? I never heard Survivor, Executioner, or Amnesiac.

What about music for every faction win? I never heard Survivor, Executioner, or Amnesiac.

How do roleblocking work? Does it happen simultaneously, or does it happen in a logical fashion?

Example (No one is block immune):

Escort A > Escort B > Escort C > Escort D > Doctor E. (What will happen to Doctor E?)

- If it happens in a logical order, escort A would block escort B, preventing escort B from blocking escort C, so escort C would block escort D, preventing escort D from blocking doctor E, so Doctor E would heal his target.

- It if happens simultaneously, everyone would be rolebocked except escort A.

How do roleblocking work? Does it happen simultaneously, or does it happen in a logical fashion?

Example (No one is block immune):

Escort A > Escort B > Escort C > Escort D > Doctor E. (What will happen to Doctor E?)

- If it happens in a logical order, escort A would block escort B, preventing escort B from blocking escort C, so escort C would block escort D, preventing escort D from blocking doctor E, so Doctor E would heal his target.

- It if happens simultaneously, everyone would be rolebocked except escort A.

[QUOTE=MintBerry Crunch;277205]We should add in Legend.
Here is a link so you can make it easier.
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/17145-Legend[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree. Best role ever.

Originally Posted by MintBerry Crunch

We should add in Legend.
Here is a link so you can make it easier.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...p/17145-Legend

I agree. Best role ever.

[QUOTE=Anguss;277332]Please do permaban him... he invites AFKers into lobby constantly[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AppleyNO;277333]Permabanning him wouldn't solve this problem, you would do best to report it to blizzard.[/QUOTE]

It's because Blizzard coded the lobby in such a shitty way that it's too easy to delay the countdown. Perhaps if invited players don't fill a slot, it'd be much better?

Originally Posted by Anguss

Please do permaban him... he invites AFKers into lobby constantly

Originally Posted by AppleyNO

Permabanning him wouldn't solve this problem, you would do best to report it to blizzard.

It's because Blizzard coded the lobby in such a shitty way that it's too easy to delay the countdown. Perhaps if invited players don't fill a slot, it'd be much better?

Basically in the typical pubs' eyes, if you're a good mayor, you're a skyper. If you're a bad mayor, you're a gamethrower.

Basically in the typical pubs' eyes, if you're a good mayor, you're a skyper. If you're a bad mayor, you're a gamethrower.

[QUOTE=BorkBot;276238]However, I think that as a general rule role suggestions for SC2 Mafia shouldn't be carbon copies of existing roles/existing abilities with a different faction slapped on them. Unique mechanics or new/different applications of already existing mechanics are a requirement for any role suggestion to even be considered.[/QUOTE]

So...you mean like invest-consig or escort-consort, right?

Originally Posted by BorkBot

However, I think that as a general rule role suggestions for SC2 Mafia shouldn't be carbon copies of existing roles/existing abilities with a different faction slapped on them. Unique mechanics or new/different applications of already existing mechanics are a requirement for any role suggestion to even be considered.

So...you mean like invest-consig or escort-consort, right?

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;276229]Arson has a best KPN of .5[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't get it. To me, 1 douse = 1 potential (not guaranteed) kill. The only advantage is that people don't notice Arsonists until it's too late.

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

Arson has a best KPN of .5

I honestly don't get it. To me, 1 douse = 1 potential (not guaranteed) kill. The only advantage is that people don't notice Arsonists until it's too late.

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;276227]No. That is the simplest answer that you will get.

More Complex:

Arson is balanced because it is stand alone and is able to kill multiple people at one time. If we put Arson on a team it would become the most overpowered role in the game.[/QUOTE]

Not really. Arson has roughly the same douse time as kill time for an SK, plus the Arson needs one more night to detonate. In an ideal situation, an Arson would douse all the right people, but in gameplay, his targets may usually die.

Unless an SK hits all the wrong people he will have a better kill potential than an Arson.

Speaking of which, the best way to test this role is to place a town-arson in forum mafia and see how he would do.

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

No. That is the simplest answer that you will get.

More Complex:

Arson is balanced because it is stand alone and is able to kill multiple people at one time. If we put Arson on a team it would become the most overpowered role in the game.

Not really. Arson has roughly the same douse time as kill time for an SK, plus the Arson needs one more night to detonate. In an ideal situation, an Arson would douse all the right people, but in gameplay, his targets may usually die.

Unless an SK hits all the wrong people he will have a better kill potential than an Arson.

Speaking of which, the best way to test this role is to place a town-arson in forum mafia and see how he would do.

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;276219]Town aligned Arson = Unneeded Idea. Sry mate.

They can work in FMs i suppose but not in Sc2 Mafia.[/QUOTE]

I just feel like it's a much more forgiving role than a vigilante. If you prime the wrong people, you can choose never to detonate, although that could make you useless almost the entire game.

Where if you kill the wrong people as a vigilante, people will call you a "stupid fucking vig" when the game is over and possibly report you for gamethrowing.

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

Town aligned Arson = Unneeded Idea. Sry mate.

They can work in FMs i suppose but not in Sc2 Mafia.

I just feel like it's a much more forgiving role than a vigilante. If you prime the wrong people, you can choose never to detonate, although that could make you useless almost the entire game.

Where if you kill the wrong people as a vigilante, people will call you a "stupid fucking vig" when the game is over and possibly report you for gamethrowing.