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    Thread:S-FM 347: Lazzy (signups)

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    Sterling has been lynched.

    He was Scum.
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    Thread:S-FM 347: Lazzy (signups)

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    -vote Sterling


    am too lazy to sign up so I'll just lynch him in pre-game
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    Thread:S-FM 347: Lazzy (signups)

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    -vote TroutHunter


    just to start a counter wagon
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    Thread:S-FM 347: Lazzy (signups)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroutHunter View Post
    /Sign
    Hmm, there is something fishier with this slot...

    hi
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    Thread:S-FM 347: Lazzy (signups)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Turns out nobody cared to discover that this setup has 50% winrate for town if they just RNG votes onto non-confirmed people LOL.
    Funny thing... I remember reading the setup back in 2016 and did realize that it was unbalanced because of the sheriff d1 claim either makes him lynch proof or forces a 1v1 with one of the mafia.

    I was just too lazy to say anything.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    I needed Mizery to die the day before... I strongly felt that I'd win the 1v1 against Helz, just couldn't hint that I wanted that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    You flinched, you posted before the end of day.
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    Time to see if the host is punctual...

    DRAW!
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    Very well.

    Today be like:

    https://youtu.be/-xPxMAhMRfk?t=15
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    If you actually want to talk, I'll be more available Saturday since it will be my night off work. Day ends at 6:30pm Saturday in my timezone.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    GG Mizery, I made one mistake on d2 that I can't recover from. I should have pushed my secret read on Helz that day instead of trying to resolve the 50/50 between you and Luona. Didn't expect Luona to go "hi, oh I'm being voted, buy" which let you lurk the entire day. If I had pushed Helzs and me be policy lynched d3, then I think Guillo would have been able to get a better read on the 2 of you.

    In the event SB wasn't the Doc, I had Ika as my second guess, which I tried to signal SB on by town reading Ika (I never town read people, I leave them as neutral read at best - It is a personal meta that I thought SB would remember). Helz replacing in later on d1 was not something I accounted for and it got me worried that I outted the Doc to scum, especially since he went doc hunting shortly after.

    anyways
    -vote Mizery


    Lynching me is still the logical move if you can't get a read on Mizery... Up to you to decide Guillo
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    yapyap why are you talking like you think killing helz won't end the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Because he perspective slipped lol
    Very funny, but no. I'm not taking Guillo reply seriously but Mizery really going for a stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    But the math you presented is actually flawed. It really did make no difference.

    N2 doc failed heal on SB
    D3 doc claiming = Helz, Mizery or me gets lynched
    N4 doc dies = Guillo kingmaker vs the last 2
    result: 1v1 on D4

    N2 doc failed to heal
    D3 doc not claiming and not exposed = 1 unconfirmable gets lynched (Helz to demonstrate)
    N4a I get killed = Guillo vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    N4b Ika is killed = Guillo kingmaker vs Mizery and me
    N4c doc healed Guillo = Guillo and Ika vs Mizery and me if scum doesn't claim doc
    N4d doc healed Guillo = Guillo and me vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    n4e doc healed me = Guillo and me vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc (Mizery could even claim he healed Guillo and we wouldn't know)
    all results: 1v1 on D4

    N2 if the doc successfully healed. Then today we would have Guillo, SB confirmed vs Ika*, Helz, Mizery and me
    D3 doc not claiming and not exposed = 1 unconfirmable gets lynched (Helz to demonstrate)
    N3 Scum can 50/50 the doc and the other unknown
    D4a (if Ika died) Then its Guillo and SB as kingmakers vs Mizery and me
    D4b (if I died) Then its a Guillo and SB vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    all results: 1v1 on D4

    N2 doc successfully healed
    D3 not exposed (helz lynched)
    N3 doc healed Me
    D4 then its Guillo, SB and me vs Ika and Mizery
    Resulting in town win

    Literally the only thing Helz did by showing his math was ensure that the last option would not happen. All other options are a 1v1 on D4 with a different kingmaker depending on who died N2.
    I just used Helz because he was the leading vote when I posted it. If the game ends, then gg... but to demonstrate the point of his math being wrong, I have to show what happens if the game doesn't end.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    -unvote


    I'll let you guys figure it out.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    I'm gonna be heading off to bed before work too and yes Ika, heal Guillo - scum can only kill Guillo or you.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    For a pertinent question- You keep throwing shade on everything that makes others look town. But do you believe that I do not believe what I am saying?
    Based on what I remember your skill to be 2 years ago when I last played on these forums, I'm expecting you to have improved and that you would have crossed the line of me being able to read you in day chat to being more manipulative of secret reads and less alignment indicative. In essence, you and me are locked into a duel to see who will flinch first but we both have the skill to not flinch making it a draw and we both know that. The only problem is that if we are both town, neither of us can really point out Mizery just coasting to the finish line while we stare each other down.

    Because the game has been solved mechanically mainly because you posted the path to the endgame scenario - which I would not have because a kill outside of Guillo/Stealhbomber would have given me an idea on the skill level of the last remaining scum, I don't think Mizery or Ika (if she wasn't the doc) would have realized that killing anyone other than Guillo/SB or getting lucky on the doc would eliminate their lifeline in PoE, newer players would probably think getting the night kill to not be healed was more important.

    What you did was not scummy per say because there is only 1 scum left, but it killed any chance of getting a read through the night kill because the choice was made so obvious.

    So all 3 of us are just standing in a line up waiting to see who Guillo/Ika eliminate. Unless Mizery makes a blatant mistake, I really think this game is going to come down to flip a coin to see who is left standing.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    There was a big difference between recommending to heal someone and pointing out how the scum would absolutely loose unless they hit in that window semi-obligating the doc to heal within that window.

    Like I said earlier, You made up your mind on me without reading me and I am going to drive home how absolutely awful your push on me. The idea a scum would point out they are semi obligated to attack between 2 people and intentionally push the doc on it, then follow through and attack between those two has to be one of the worst lines of thought I have herd in a long time.
    But the math you presented is actually flawed. It really did make no difference.

    N2 doc failed heal on SB
    D3 doc claiming = Helz, Mizery or me gets lynched
    N4 doc dies = Guillo kingmaker vs the last 2
    result: 1v1 on D4

    N2 doc failed to heal
    D3 doc not claiming and not exposed = 1 unconfirmable gets lynched (Helz to demonstrate)
    N4a I get killed = Guillo vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    N4b Ika is killed = Guillo kingmaker vs Mizery and me
    N4c doc healed Guillo = Guillo and Ika vs Mizery and me if scum doesn't claim doc
    N4d doc healed Guillo = Guillo and me vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    n4e doc healed me = Guillo and me vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc (Mizery could even claim he healed Guillo and we wouldn't know)
    all results: 1v1 on D4

    N2 if the doc successfully healed. Then today we would have Guillo, SB confirmed vs Ika*, Helz, Mizery and me
    D3 doc not claiming and not exposed = 1 unconfirmable gets lynched (Helz to demonstrate)
    N3 Scum can 50/50 the doc and the other unknown
    D4a (if Ika died) Then its Guillo and SB as kingmakers vs Mizery and me
    D4b (if I died) Then its a Guillo and SB vs Ika and Mizery both claiming doc
    all results: 1v1 on D4

    N2 doc successfully healed
    D3 not exposed (helz lynched)
    N3 doc healed Me
    D4 then its Guillo, SB and me vs Ika and Mizery
    Resulting in town win

    Literally the only thing Helz did by showing his math was ensure that the last option would not happen. All other options are a 1v1 on D4 with a different kingmaker depending on who died N2.
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    Thread:S-FM 346: Warcraft

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    Anyways, I'm off to bed before work tonight. Will check back in the morning.
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    Not gonna lie mizery but there is little I can say truthfully that would make me look towny. My town play and my scum play are near identical and to lynch me, you might as well flip a coin to read me. Helz knows that thus why I wouldn't expect any progression in his read on me Guillo (not trying to defend him but that part of your read is inaccurate). The reasons I find Helz scummy has nothing to do with his read on me but how he has been reading others and trying to influence them; focusing on mechanical endgame scenarios when it really didn't matter if we were aware of it or not, it would happen naturally; his claims that he would like to set up a trap for me is strange because he should know that I wouldn't fall for it... and if I did, I would have a perfectly reasonable explanation get myself out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    By the way Stealthbomber, I have also played half of my life and ive seen this happening, there are players with volume tells and there are players who are incapable of reacting when their pocket make an 180 on them.

    Luckily for us Ika is the priest and your read was correct, meaning you had to be killed for this, scum with you and ika at lylo means Scum would lose.
    I don't think Stealthbomber has been playing long enough on this site to remember how immensely powerful volume tells were back in the day. I was mostly responsible for the site meta to make everyone set the invisible mode to "on" because of it. But to use it effectively, you really need to know the other players. Knowing when a strong player who should have something to say was lurking or staying silent when he was not afk for rl reasons gives a read that very few people know how to use now on this site.

    Helz tried to use that against me based on my past meta - but completely ignored my changing circumstances for when and how much time per day I play FM. And just throwing out a blanket "Yayap isn't posting enough" instead of even looking to what I could contribute to the conversation. Even though my post number is low - I'd say most of my posts have at least been impactful to the game.

    At this point, I don't think there is anything else I can add that will change the outcome of the game and have to fully trust that Guillo and Ika make the right decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    What made you think this? Can you quote the post that gave you this belief?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Mental recap:

    • I town locked Guillo in first post because playing on this site for forever has taught me how to read people who post nothingburgers. Calling it a town lock was intentionally misleading and I wanted to see what would happen. Guillo backing off on the gimmick I think reflects poorly on him but it feels bad to scumread someone for not shitposting so I’m gonna let that slide. I will abstain from commenting on the friendly soldier claim until someone inevitably counterclaims him.

    • Yayap applies reasonable shade on me for the above circumstances. If you scumread Guillo a scumread on me feels completely natural from there. This can probably be faked but I don’t think it is yet, because I have my eyes on…

    • Martin is a player that I have a lot of experience with, between archoning with him and sharing a chat with him in the hypixel game. Something about his thoughts on page 1 make me feel like he’s massively overthinking this game, and since there was nothing to overthink yet, I believe that’s a scum tell. I know from personal experience Martin does not overthink things as town but even independently of meta this looks very bad.
    I felt that Stealthbomber was confident that someone would CC Guillo and that he had knew something but did not want to share

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    FTR I do think Guillo is more likely town than not but now that they’ve hard mech claimed my read on them doesn’t matter until someone counterclaims it.
    Again he doesn't want to expand on his read on Guillo, so he throws out a basic gut feeling without explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    My visible reaction to being forced to play a different type of game than the one I wanted to play.

    It’s all good. I guess we’re a pair now. If you get CC’d then scum is narrowed heavily, and if you don’t then I guess I’m confirmed town.
    To me, it feels like Stealthbomber in caught in a hard place with no way out unless he would claim doc d1 and be killed that same night - Stealthbomber wouldn't even be able to heal himself, with the giant target on his back he would need to accelerate giving out his real reads instead of trying to blend into the background and let wifom protect him

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Yayap taking my town lock of you at complete face value is the realest thing I’ve ever seen from anyone who isn’t familiar with me.
    Even if Stealthbomber didn't remember my playstyle, I'm sure he wouldn't take me for taking that stupid post at face value. If anything he should have seen me supporting his idea to "see what would happen"

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    I'm not CCing, but also not convinced about his claim. I wouldn't discount his ability to pull that off as a citizen though.
    And yes, I did read your nice big post. But your: "but I don't want to be mean and wagon them too quickly and make them lose motivation" sticks out to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    @Yayap

    If you are PR you need to outright claim it or we’re going to be stuck here.
    I had already said I wasn't CCing, so this looked like him thinking I knew Guillo lied and was desperate to getting an out of Guillos claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You are the one who has had the most issue with it by a wide margin.

    Guillo also expressed suspicion of it but he's Guillo and by extension expresses suspicion over everything. I'm impressed that he hasn't expressed suspicion of me yet- even though he confirmed me as town.
    On day 2, this reads to me as if Stealthbomber now believed Guillo to be a different kind of PR due to the lack of CC but isn't a soldier because Stealthbomber wasn't a citizen.
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    lunch break over, back to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Kinda suspected that yesterday. I initially thought Luona was either priest or scum after coming to the conclusion Yayap though Luona was the priest. Dug through them and decided I really doubted they were the priest while I started to believe you were.

    Something he said near EOD2 about how I was wrong after I had voted Luona make me feel more confident I read him correctly there.


    So what is interesting now is that in the 3p PoE Myself, Mizery, Yayap 2 of us have a game solve with 2 lynches and the third is the scum. Its simply a question of which order each of us should push.
    The part I was referring to was that I thought Stealthbomber was hinting to me that he was the doctor and Guillo was lying. Technically, Guillo could still be any of the PR options if he did pull off a gambit, which would be game over for scum (I'm assuming all kills happen at same time, didn't see Order of Operations in the setup).

    As for Ika revealing she is the doc, there were pros and cons for each, but mathematically it didn't matter. Personally, I think it came up to whoever was the doctor to decide if she wanted to 1v1 the scum in the last day or be dead/kingmaker in the last day.

    -vote Helz


    I did his doctor reveal math yesterday and knew the doc had to wait till today to reveal. I don't like that he pushed the idea for it to happen any sooner.
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    Less than 2 hours left and not a single post since I left earlier. I'm going to bed.
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    I'll be back near eod if anything changes.
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    Well, then we both agree on that. Him trying to be placed last in PoE is what I see too. The problem I have is that Mizery and Luona are not helping at all. If I account that both Helz and I should be policy lynched, I think that only leaves today to decide who between Ika, Luona and Mizery makes it to the endgame if we mess up.

    You have your concerns on Ika, while I have Ika being the less scummy of the 3 choices. Helz is my bottom read based on content from today, but either Luona or Mizery going lurk mode and not caring still gets my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I kind of already did. I could probably pull rants outside of the game that reflects my view on the subject but I did very clearly explain it here:

    Here is where I opened that door:

    This was me creating a way for a team mate to push against their lynch simply by poking me on the subject. It would have been an alignment indicator.
    I also edged in that direction here:

    Again creating an opportunity for someone to poke at the potential for a last second vote shift by expressing I was simply 'ok' with the lynch and that a counter wagon would be a positive thing for the town.

    I believe the best traps are subtle. The ones that do not interrupt game flow and require attention grabbing gambits. You simply create people the opportunity to make decisions. In that situation it would have been a bad move for me to make an actual counter wagon but suggesting I was neutral on the lynch while pointing out why the reasoning for the lynch was bad and suggesting I wanted a counter train seemed like a good play. I hedged both statements mentioning how nobody touched on why the inconsistency was a scum tell in the slightest, pointing out the ATE reaction which nobody seemed to mention and mentioning how creating a counter train last minute would prevent people from weighing in to deal with questions after the fact.
    To be blunt if I was scum I could have nailed a truckload of reasoning on why we should lynch Oliver to the wall for the town cred. Just so you can read me better here is a bit of my thoughts on the hard bus

    Just with the players in the game I think Guillo was in that game and Yayap had a conversation with me quite a few years ago on how strongly I valued a deep wolf play.
    Past that if you want to read me I generally work to discredit strong town voices to power wolf. In that same guide draft I quoted you could look at the "Seeding aligned indicators with town" and "Seeding distrust/ setting up lynches in advance" bits and ask yourself if I am doing either. Im playing some really basic low level mafia this game even if I am the only one pushing the mechanical crunch.
    Claims he was setting a trap for scum to save Oli, his post had posts quoted from day1 that are missing in my quote
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    Do you buy Helz' excuse for him not voting Oliver?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    If Mizery is chopped today and flips town, im moving you up in the PoE. I know you've seen the order of our PoE (SB/I) and this looks like slowing us down before we get to you.
    Thats fine, Helz wanted to know what order I wanted, I'm was being realistic by adding myself in.
    Even if you lynch me second - I can still try to help direct who to lynch after me now if the game doesn't end at the end of today.
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    If you think Oli was bussed, then Ika and I are your top suspects. What do you think of Helz? He did slot into the person you were interested in yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post


    @Stealthbomber16
    Could you clarify your reads? Unless @Yayap cares to give some reasoning as to why its a bad idea to have direction from the semi-confirmed town block >.>
    My reason yesterday was that Stealthbombers town reads would have a lower chance of being lynched thus painting a nk target for scum. Having lynched Oliver and having gotten a no kill night, that is less important today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    So the basic problem as I see it.

    7p made up of 2 confirmed, 3vt 1priest, 1 scum with 3 town lynches

    Now if the Priest revealed it would mean the 3vt would have a game solve but they would also be in the PoE going from a 3/4 (75%) shot to a 3/3 (100%) shot. The 2 confirmed town would get less from it taking their pool from a 3/5 (60%) shot to a 3/4 (75%) shot (unless CC which would be game over.)

    At any point a successful heal outside of Stealth/Guillo means game over for the scum. This is also a big deal with the scum either choosing to chew at the town block or risk total loss by killing outside of it and risking that heal. But killing inside of the block means the priest lives to heal another day and they are shooting 50/50 for desperately needed kills.

    I think we should just play some basic follow the cop. Yes our 2p town block will be batting at 60% 'but' if 1/5 is going to hit on priest which will force a reveal. That reveal either gets CC'ed putting a 50/50 which is also a lock town win today or tomorrow or it shifts the NK. So that 60% is rather understated and I feel like we can hit over RNG given the players in this game.

    I will pop back in later but I do feel like our town block needs to start acting like a town block given the game state for our best chances at winning. Otherwise the PoE will end up trying to drive it risking some substantial TvT ego nonsense the way discussions have been going and I would rather avoid getting the measuring stick for the weenie contest.

    Given that everyone outside of the PoE is looking at 4 options with 3 lynches @ikarusdk @Mizery @luona @Yayap out of Myself, Ika, Mizery, Luona and Yayap what order would you prefer the 3 lynches to happen? Would you be willing to sheep Stealth/Guillo given this reasoning?
    Mizery/Luona > Helz > Yayap

    1- neither Mizery nor Luona have responded the my questions and both stand at a coin flip for me.
    2- With all the doctor hunting / trying to bait the doctor into claiming today, your skill level and that you are trying to get brownie points with the town voting block = I would never want to leave you to lylo
    3- my meta should automactically make no one trust me in lylo.. I may not like it but it's the logical choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    The fact Yayap is a high level pro and does not believe you are new given your play you should just take as a complement.
    "raises eyebrow"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    So for Yayap I felt like he noticed something specific that he did not mention. Pretty much why I have not messed with him. Poke me on it tomorrow and I will explain if we are both alive.

    As time goes on if he does not step up and push I would be more suspicious of him. He is generally a strong town leader and did not have a subtle presence D1 but he was on the right lynch.
    I did notice something and it is in towns best interest that I never share it if I'm right. I'm guessing you noticed something different than what I'm referring to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I think its as simple as Mizery/Luona

    My ego hopes Ika could be it but I am not holding my breath

    Yayap is very low on my list. Still hoping he is gona jump in and step up soon because D2 has been a lurkfest. The important thing I see for the game state is that we are in a numbers game. The town has 3 lynches if Priest fails all the way. If scum hits off your town block they loose so priest is going to run 50/50 most likely. Who knows with the amount of attention people are paying.
    I work nights... my time for FM is in the morning when I get home. I was on for 7 hours yesterday and no one posted until I was about to log off. Unfortunately, no one seems to be online when I am so I have no one to converse with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Ok then. We kill Luona who has given up, after lynching a wolf and the priest blocking the kill, her WIM should be skyrocketed, instead she is like this.
    Yesterday she played like she didnt care she got scum read but today she is acting like she is scared of getting push over and feels like she is waiting for the tables to turn.

    If the game does not end and we still live, the priest can out and from there the game is auto. If one of us die, we kill Yapyap whom is still my biggest scum read. If not then we reevaluate the game.
    not gonna argue with you - I should always be a policy lynch if there is no cop clear on me. Oh and that is Yayap with only 1 "p"





    Now back to my initial queries, Mizery and Luona haven't responded. I don't like lurkers, so since Luona has a train and that I don't care which of the 2 get lynched, might as well start some pressure on Mizery to at least explain his stance on Luona.

    -vote Mizery
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    I still want to hear what Mizery has to say before he thinks he's off the hook. Votes wont end the day early so I can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Why is my vote not registering
    I did catch that earlier in the day that you spelled Luona with a I, thought it was intentional.. guess not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    There won’t be CCs because im the only other PR besides Priest.

    If scum thinks they can CC me at lylo to win, that’d be a scum claim and rest assure, i will bury you like i buried your partner.

    I told you guys, i always catch scum on day 1, you just have to work with me in good faith.
    Oh I'd definitely would lynch whoever CCs you first - but it's a 1v1 in that case and an auto win for town the next day if you are the scum.
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    Concerning ikarusdk, there is some validity to looking up the vote counts and how it progressed throughout the day - it's part of what tipped me off to Luona. And as an arcade player, I can see that being used very often in sc2. And although it's less effective in a forum mafia simply due to the nature of how much time as well of how much text there is to analyze compared to sc2 arcade, it still has its uses... just not as an absolute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    Luona obviously wasn't trying to help oli

    wolves vote off their partners all the time, especially when that partner is oli
    Luona was one of the few that DID try to help Oli. She just never had a counter train to jump onto to save him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Why exactly did you exclude Luona from that list?
    I second this thought.

    I feel that Mizery excluded Luona to try to buddy up, his read is contradictory to what actually happened.



    On the flip side - Luona has certainly reduced herself as well in my reads.

    Other than the support she gave to Oli, this post has been troubling me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    Luona obviously wasn't trying to help oli

    wolves vote off their partners all the time, especially when that partner is oli
    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    Friendly Soldier
    You are a friendly soldier who cares a lot about others.
    You receive the name of a random Footman along with your rolecard at the start of the game. You have no special abilities.

    Rifleman
    You are a skilled sharpshooter.
    Once in the game, you may shoot a player at night, killing them. You may not shoot on night 1.

    Sorceress
    You are an adept at magic.
    At night, you may temporarily turn someone into a sheep, preventing them from using any actions that night. They will not be notified of having been turned into a sheep.


    Unless if theres a sneaky rifleman maybe but thats self resolving \o/
    Not because of what it contains, but what she omitted.

    Blademaster
    You are a veteran Blademaster, highly skilled in deception and murder.
    As the leader, you decide who will be the factional kill's target and who, between you and your apprentice, will be sent to perform it.
    Once in the game, you may use illusions to redirect a target's ability onto a player of your choice. You may use the Rifleman's shot with this, even on N1, if you manage to target him. If your target has no ability, this has no effect, and the charge is still consumed (you cannot reuse the ability later).
    This is literally the only reason a rifleman would not CC guillo on d1. I was waiting to see who would pick up on that detail... turned out to be Helz who, I suspect would have examined the setup more than most with his experience instead of knowing of that fact because it directly relates to his role... But I couldn't be wrong.

    Its worth mentioning the host confirmed the remaining evil can redirect and kill at the same time.
    The interactions between Guillo and stealthbomber still feel weird to me, as if Guillo is always asking SB if his read is "ok" and with Oli out of the way, I'm still somewhat expecting a rifleman to CC Guillo now.
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    do me a favor stealthbomber, don't answer helz
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    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    I've seen some people say they don't like MartinGG for this, (I did not see the second part of this post until I quoted it so im SHOCKED honestly T_T how could you think I'm doing this as scum? ;-;) while I agree that this post feels a bit too try harder for the moment, I ultimately don't think its scummy. Maybe people townreading me pockets me completly, but I feel as if it wasn't a super super serious read and that he just posted it to try and generate more content from others by extension which is a +town move.
    Luona, now that you know that there is a darker grey text in Martins post, can you see it in the originals? Just wondering if I have a different color scheme on the forums that lets me see that text easily or if Martin intended his text to be invisible, no one else has commented on this yet and Martin used that color in multiple posts (even if what was said in that color didn't really contribute to the discussion much - yet).
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    The fact that the connection of Guillo and stealthbomber is so obvious, I can see something like that not being stated in the mafia chat. Which in turn would explain why mizery didn't see the connection if he only skimmed the day thread and relied on info in mafia chat. In any case, Mizery missed many posts that eluded to that connection and has pretty much not read much other than his confrontation with Martin who is now you.
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    You must really be skimming the thread to have missed it, it's been referenced multiple times too Mizery

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    But let me start with a claim first

    Hardclaim Friendly Soldier

    And i know that Stealthbomber is town.
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    @oliverz144

    And now you are panicking worried more about Guillo's vote than trying to find scum yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    I don't even know who the big guys here are, so why would I know who to avoid..? You must be very cocky to think out of everyone I would want to avoid you! I'm not scared of you, come at me bro
    Big guys as in those who will dominate the conversation of the day. In this case - Guillo + Stealhbomber pair for the higher activity/post count and that they have a pocket Oliver if they weren't voting him. I'm less post count hungry but make a bigger impact in those posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    You must be very cocky to think out of everyone I would want to avoid you! I'm not scared of you, come at me bro
    I'm referring to this for that statement:

    I would probably jump in on the Yapap wagon, but I don't want to be mean and wagon them too quickly and make them lose motivation.
    Since you aren't countering Guillo I think I'll just ignore you.
    You've had a little more interactions with Guillo since but nothing that would poke the bear in a lions costume in any serious way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    @Yayap
    Why you voting me????
    Because you treat Guillo like an infallible god. You've done nothing but support everything he says and have gone out of your way to show how good he is and how he can't ever be wrong. If it wasn't for his friendly soldier claim that no one CC'ed, I'd probably be throwing him near the bottom of my list. The only thing that held me back from voting you is that apparently your meta is that you always look scummy - which just makes me want to lynch you early instead of a lylo situation with you still alive and it being a coin flip to read you. Your argument that either Guillo OR me is scum makes no sense and is usually an idea scum would love to take advantage of to get 2 mislynches for the price of one.

    Yes Guillo and I have extremally different play styles, so different that he probably doesn't know what I'm actually doing - and if he does understand, then he is playing his part perfectly with a small exception of pushing too far on a certain situation. I believe Stealthbomber knows what I'm up to because he has been around long enough to have seen my past plays and the mafia discussions we've had around strategies.

    Now I see Helz has joined the game...
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    and Oliver has started posting since I started that post... ok, thats enough



    -vote oliverz144
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    So baring any PR showing up in the graveyard, I think its safe to say that no one is CCing Guillo.

    Which means Stealthbomber is auto cleared unless guillo is proven false. I'm not even gonna comment what I think about SB since I think he understands what I'm doing more than most.

    ikarusdk is proving to be more skilled than I anticipated in reads, hasn't done anything that throws any alarms for me... in any case I won't be voting her day 1, will re-evaluate d2 as time goes on.

    Leaving my bottom half.

    luona is treading carefully not to step on the big guys' toes. Nothing alignment indicative per say, but she obviously doesn't want a confrontation with me.

    Martin vs Mizery is proving to be a past game meta finger pointing shooter. The only thing I'm sure of is that they are not both scum. Leaning Martin for being more scummy for his very poor use of meta but dont know his skill level enough to judge accurately.

    And Oliver who I agree is just screaming scum, licking Guillo's boots everywhere he goes and would be at the bottom of the pool. But I'm being told he acts scummy even when town aligned. Still, wouldn't mind lynching him since reading him seems to be useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    Are you CCing Guillo? I don't see why a friendy solider claiming here would be a bad move so I believed them at first..


    Did you try reading the post?
    I'm not CCing, but also not convinced about his claim. I wouldn't discount his ability to pull that off as a citizen though.
    And yes, I did read your nice big post. But your: "but I don't want to be mean and wagon them too quickly and make them lose motivation" sticks out to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Check the name
    There is obviously something meta context related that I'm missing about Oliver, anything I should know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    -vote Yayap


    Is scum
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    There is no more obvious scum than that guy and ibe played this game for 20 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Not only he is scum but he also gave out his partner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    10 medals and you scum like this…
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    I will explain in detaol why Yayap is svum after breakfast.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    But let me start with a claim first

    Hardclaim Friendly Soldier

    And i know that Stealthbomber is town.
    Ah, the classic "you are scum for thinking I'm scum" approach followed by cram that idea by spamming it so everyone is sure to see it. No where in any of these posts do you say why I'm scum... instead, you default to hardclaiming the ONLY PR role other than the doctor. Claiming Friendly Soldier was a nice touch to try to pocket Stealthbomber who has a 50% chance of being a citizen, its also little risk to fake claim since a rifleman can't shoot till n2 and probably can't kill you if the doc is on you (highly likely right now), a Sorceress can't do anything to stop the other mafia from doing the kill even if he is on you and a different Friendly Soldier would just bring us back to a 1v1 being your word against his which you can rescind your claim at any time as I've seen soo many times past games by other people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    What the fuck what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    1) If I didn't know you were town I would have pressed you for attempt at pocketing me.

    2) I backed off from the gimmick because my gimmick requires high activity posting, which clearly this game is not gonna have.

    3) There are 8 players, so with this claim we can collectively narrow down the scum party from the six remaining players.

    4) I thought about different strategies on how to handle this information but ultimately, I decided it was better to claim it now for two purposes:
    a) I know you and I are highly capable of solving this game in despite not having significant mech power.
    b) If we byry a wolf today, scum will have to choose between killing us or hunt for PR.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    And you know me, I play to die as fast as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible, so let's work together.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    And I highly disagree on Yayap, the why will follow
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    -vote MartinGG99


    I can agree with your read on Martin though
    Still hasn't given any reasons why I'm scum, but keeps promising that he will / I'm still waiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Why does this matter?
    As Stealthbomber pointed out right after, me knowing the skill level of the people I'm interacting with is important so that I dont misjudge what I would consider scummy. This site as a whole has very scummy town plays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Unless scum can rand Friendly Soldier, we both are, anyone that counterclaims me will get my vote and deathtunnel knowing that I caught scum, I don't believe they will trade a 1for1 with me.
    You know scum has locked in roles that are not random, and the Friendly soldier is specifically given the name of a random FOOTMAN aka citizen so this post adds doubt to anyone who doesn''t read the setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    SB, now that we are confirmed partners, I'd appreciate if you don't answer questions directed at others.
    Really trying hard to pocket SB, considering that he only answered the most obvious of replies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Lumi and the newbie are a shadow hydra, Lumi is there to coach not to influence his game directly. So ultimately, we must read the newbie for his content because I doubt the hosts will allow Lumi to ghost write posts for him, because that is not what a shadow hydra is.
    Don't care what you think should happen, I was inquiring for myself and no I did not read the signup sheet for that info to whoever mentioned that... I looked at the first post with the names of who signed up and that was pretty much it. Didn't expect there would be something I missed in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    However I can read into Yayap's concern that he'd be playing against a strong player behind the newbie's account and I can see scum measuring the level of the threat represented by a MU Champion representative.
    I'm concerned that I would throw him into my scum reads too quickly for overestimating his skill lvl, not underestimating Lumi's

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Which by the way Yayap, I'm an MU Champion Representative too and I'm worldwide famous for catching scum on day 1
    Yup, don't care.. haven't impressed me yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    You seem to think that I'm trying to take away from Lumi's accomplishments. I don't, I'm proud of Lumi, I wanted her to represent Deck Mafia myself, I even told her that if she got eliminated from the competition, I'd nominate her to represent Deck Mafia next year.

    Lumi is a threat as either alignment, but they shouldn't be perceived as a threat in this game for just coaching a newbie.

    I am the motherfucker threat to scum's win condition here.
    Really hogging that spotlight trying to ensure you get that doc on you eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Now that that is out of the way. Let me continue pressing Yayap, the 10 medalist obvious scum player.
    Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    1) Why is a player standing out a problem for you, would you prefer a dead tharead were apathy can naturally build and scum can take advantage of it instead?

    2) You just admitted that I look townie.

    3) Why are you concern that I may draw PR actions from town?

    4) Why are you concern about who the doctor would target? Why are you concern that a doctor would target me?

    5) Why a doctor would try to protect Stealthbomber, Lumi or you just based on seniority here, that is not alignment indicative. Stealthbomber being confirmed town is.

    6) I don't care about respected or super respected titles, you could be scum here who is super respected in the forum.
    1- If mafia know exactly who will be protected by doc, its easy to avoid overlapping.

    2- Look closely and you'll see that I said my reasons were BS but I guess you missed that detail.

    3- Mostly the doctor is my concern, but if there is a sorc instead then you just made sure your buddy won't be affected by him

    4a- Doctor getting a successful heal is huge for town, you just made that harder

    4b- I don't want to die n1 and would rather the docs night action be harder to predict thus increasing my chances of survival

    5- if no info was given at all before n1, wouldn't you pick someone to heal that could potentially be a good player than a newb?

    6- I didn't say the respected titles were alignment indicative, I said it had a small pull on n1 actions... which I mentioned to wipe the slate clean so it would be even more vague what he should do.


    Still don't see why that makes me scum, I am enjoying being the bait though, some other peoples reactions have been quite enlightening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    You didn't answer my questions.

    I'm waiting
    You seem pressed for time considering that you have yet to say why I'm scum, you've only threw out some generic questions that aren't alignment indicative at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    I approach games based on meta only at 20%.
    The majority of my reads in every game is based on behavior and interactions.

    That is because a competent player can change their meta from game to game, but behavior? Behavior is incredibly difficult to fake
    Lol, you obviously didn't read what was posted there... because I use meta mostly just to judge skill ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    I would probably jump in on the Yapap wagon, but I don't want to be mean and wagon them too quickly and make them lose motivation. I will wait a bit longer to see if they continue being sus.
    Ah, my patience has paid off. Luona indicates that she would join the "wagon" of 1 vote on me, without even seeing a clear reason why. This would be sheeping / lazyness for someone who just made a big post just beforehand.



    I'll be back in a few hours... I have a few things to say on other people but it can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    You didn't answer my questions.

    I'm waiting
    In the interest of not killing one of the few actual discussion topics by answering everything you ask, I rather wait till the 2 remaining people post first. Based on when they posted last night, they should be here soon.

    You can annoyingly wait another 2-3 hours.
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    I'll wait until Luona and Mizery pitch in to this discussion before I say too much.

    In any case, Guillo, for someone with the skill level you claim to have, even you should know the importance of knowing who you are playing against. I've been away from this site for over 2 years and have almost no meta knowledge on the current player base, refer to this if you truly dont understand what I was really asking about the hybrid
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    Ok.. so treat you as a new player but with an ear to a MU champ on demand. This should be interesting, considering that I know very little of Lumi myself, it will certainly be an interesting challenge to read you. You've done well not to get any negative read from me so far unlike many others, hope you enjoy your first FM.

    Anyways, I'm off to bed for a bit. I'm off work for the next couple of days so I should have plenty of time to keep up with the game. My vote stays on Guillo for now for the reasons I posted above and to annoy him (we need a starting point for discussion). I've decided that the setup does favor his bold character for a scum slot with little risk, I know some people blindly think that high activity is towny, I strongly disagree... Stealthbomber would be my #2 candidate to interrogate.

    I'll be on later
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