2 to 3 days
in the motherland it's day 4
I suspect day 3 in the rest of the world
any update on approval time as I don't understand when a sfm will get approved.
2 to 3 days
in the motherland it's day 4
I suspect day 3 in the rest of the world
any update on approval time as I don't understand when a sfm will get approved.
Question to the public:
At this moment in time the setup is in my personal opinion balanced and could equate into a fun game however if there is any other queries or concerns about the setup i would be happy to oblige and answers any queries
-thank you, Suntax
Question to the public:
At this moment in time the setup is in my personal opinion balanced and could equate into a fun game however if there is any other queries or concerns about the setup i would be happy to oblige and answers any queries
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 3.0]
Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information[/SPOILER]
finished with changes
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 3.0 :
Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information
[QUOTE=Orpz;543865][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Your header says this is a 12 player game, but I count 13 in the roles list. Please correct this.
Yes will do problems in house are restricting my ability to change
Also, please make sure the answers to my questions are somehow incorporated on the original posts. Stuff like "Guns can not be used with night actions" should be listed on a role card or mechanics.
Ok
In my opinion, all Heat Actions are so strong that making them able to be used more than once makes no sense, even if there's a day in between. Please nerf the multi-use ones a bit or make sure they can only be used once. [/COLOR]
Will lower to only once
I'm fine with you having a role that converts into Mafia, but two of them is excessive. They also take up a Town spot to begin with, which is extremely powerful.
Consider the starting 3v8v2. There's no lynch, and that night Mafia takes out the Sleeper Agent (converting him) and Stalin kills a Town. The next day will be 4v6v2, which is basically MYLO on day 2. This isn't even considering the possibility of a the Anti-Communist Agent adding another potential Mafia member. [COLOR="#00FFFF"]I recommend making sure the roles that can change into Mafia begin as Neutral, or remove one of them[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I will rework the journalist role
Originally Posted by Orpz
Your header says this is a 12 player game, but I count 13 in the roles list. Please correct this.
Yes will do problems in house are restricting my ability to change
Also, please make sure the answers to my questions are somehow incorporated on the original posts. Stuff like "Guns can not be used with night actions" should be listed on a role card or mechanics.
Ok
In my opinion, all Heat Actions are so strong that making them able to be used more than once makes no sense, even if there's a day in between. Please nerf the multi-use ones a bit or make sure they can only be used once.
Will lower to only once
I'm fine with you having a role that converts into Mafia, but two of them is excessive. They also take up a Town spot to begin with, which is extremely powerful.
Consider the starting 3v8v2. There's no lynch, and that night Mafia takes out the Sleeper Agent (converting him) and Stalin kills a Town. The next day will be 4v6v2, which is basically MYLO on day 2. This isn't even considering the possibility of a the Anti-Communist Agent adding another potential Mafia member. I recommend making sure the roles that can change into Mafia begin as Neutral, or remove one of them
[QUOTE=Orpz;543120][COLOR="#FF0000"]Make sure to have heat actions on the OoO![/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Does Nixon's heat action stop his own teammate's bullets?
Can you use guns and vests with your night action in the same night?
Can you use Heat action with your regular night ability in the same night?
I'm assuming Lenin's protege is the person he chooses to chat with. Lenin's nightchat protege gains his abilities, does that include the Heat Action? What if his protege was a Mafia role? In my opinion, just having the night chat is good enough of a heat action.
How many times can the Gulag Officer torture his PO? Please give me a full list of possible information that can be extracted from torturing.
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Auto-vests on a Spy/Vigilante town role seems quite OP, to be honest. I recommend changing Trotsky's heat action to give manual vests instead, so he has to decide between offense and defense, rather than getting both.
A lot of Town roles have potential to convert into the Mafia (or to American Reporter then Mafia). This isn't very fun to play against, nor is it fair. If you want a role to convert to the Mafia, you should have it start out as Neutral first. Having it take up a Town slot is too devastating. [/COLOR]
I'll continue once you answer these first rounds of questions.
My favorite Russian valentine's day line is "Leon Trotsky thinks you're Hotsky"[/QUOTE]
Ok will add to popwhen I get time to make changes
no on the first 3
does not include heat action,the protege can be anyone mafia,town or neutral,
the gulag officer can torture 3 times will add in later along with feedback list
Ok will change to Manuel vests
I see only 2 role that change into mafia the sleeper and journalist,if needed I shall take the ability to turn into a mafiso off American reporter and change win con to
eliminate Leon Trotsky Or Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin as starting win con ir that's a good solve
otherwise I can turn the American reporter into a neutral role and add a couple different hidden neuts and have Castro taken out as a fixed character
Originally Posted by Orpz
Make sure to have heat actions on the OoO!
Does Nixon's heat action stop his own teammate's bullets?
Can you use guns and vests with your night action in the same night?
Can you use Heat action with your regular night ability in the same night?
I'm assuming Lenin's protege is the person he chooses to chat with. Lenin's nightchat protege gains his abilities, does that include the Heat Action? What if his protege was a Mafia role? In my opinion, just having the night chat is good enough of a heat action.
How many times can the Gulag Officer torture his PO? Please give me a full list of possible information that can be extracted from torturing.
Auto-vests on a Spy/Vigilante town role seems quite OP, to be honest. I recommend changing Trotsky's heat action to give manual vests instead, so he has to decide between offense and defense, rather than getting both.
A lot of Town roles have potential to convert into the Mafia (or to American Reporter then Mafia). This isn't very fun to play against, nor is it fair. If you want a role to convert to the Mafia, you should have it start out as Neutral first. Having it take up a Town slot is too devastating.
I'll continue once you answer these first rounds of questions.
My favorite Russian valentine's day line is "Leon Trotsky thinks you're Hotsky"
Ok will add to popwhen I get time to make changes
no on the first 3
does not include heat action,the protege can be anyone mafia,town or neutral,
the gulag officer can torture 3 times will add in later along with feedback list
Ok will change to Manuel vests
I see only 2 role that change into mafia the sleeper and journalist,if needed I shall take the ability to turn into a mafiso off American reporter and change win con to
eliminate Leon Trotsky Or Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin as starting win con ir that's a good solve
otherwise I can turn the American reporter into a neutral role and add a couple different hidden neuts and have Castro taken out as a fixed character
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 1.0]
Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 2.0]
Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role[/SPOILER]
Also Changes have been made
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 1.0 :
Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 2.0 :
Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role
I shall add another for when I have the time arm I do not but I shall
in fidels case in gonna make it mandatory to hand one of the two out.
and yes Fidel will be revealed will add that when I make changes
I shall add another for when I have the time arm I do not but I shall
in fidels case in gonna make it mandatory to hand one of the two out.
and yes Fidel will be revealed will add that when I make changes
You think i was in a gulag Товарищ. я был экс красный армия и боролся 2 войны я достиг звания старшего лейтенанта, так что если великий человек к этой нации брошен в ГУЛАГ, как кусок капиталист дерьма на моем ботинке то я плевать на эту страну к счастью я не были брошены в ГУЛАГе и как таковой я стоять гордиться.
Приветствую Российской Федерации, все приветствуют бывшего Советского Союза
You think i was in a gulag Товарищ. я был экс красный армия и боролся 2 войны я достиг звания старшего лейтенанта, так что если великий человек к этой нации брошен в ГУЛАГ, как кусок капиталист дерьма на моем ботинке то я плевать на эту страну к счастью я не были брошены в ГУЛАГе и как таковой я стоять гордиться.
Приветствую Российской Федерации, все приветствуют бывшего Советского Союза
lol well due to Russia being the greatest country on earth, then its England i find that having my own language in here will be useful to me for no reason whatsoever
lol well due to Russia being the greatest country on earth, then its England i find that having my own language in here will be useful to me for no reason whatsoever
[U][B][I][SIZE=5][CENTER][FONT=Arial Black]S-FM Cold War: A 13 Player game
[/FONT][/CENTER][/SIZE][/I][/B][/U]
[CENTER][U][I]Roles list[/I][/U]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]
[U]Capitalist Scum[/U]
President Truman (Godfather)
President Nixon (Consigliere)
JFK (Consort)
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"][U]Proletariat[/U]
Leon Trotsky (Spy+Vigilante)
Vladimir Lenin (Professor+Doctor)
Hidden Communist
Hidden Communist
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"][U]The Others[/U][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFA500"]Joseph Stalin (serial killer)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Fidel Castro (Arms Dealer)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"][U][I]Possible Communist role:[/I][/U]
Sleeper agent,Gulag officer,KGB agent,Anti communist agent,Premier Security Service,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' [/COLOR]
[/CENTER]
Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.
Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Heat Action:- The Doctrine, Role block all town and others ability
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#FF0000"]President Nixon[/COLOR]
Action: Target one person at night, learning their role
Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop Scum roles. (1)
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#FF0000"]JFK[/COLOR]
Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them.
Heat action:- Become The assassin, gives JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafioso[/COLOR]
Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.[/QUOTE][/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=Proletariat]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Leon Trotsky[/COLOR]
Action: Can see all actions made by the mafia (3 uses)
Has a KGB rifle, can shot and kill a player, 2 uses
Heat action:- Shades, Not give a fuck about anything, gives you 2 vests (last for 2 days)
Is told if attacked with vest on [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Vladimir Lenin[/COLOR]
Action: Target one player at night, protecting them from attacks
Heat action:- Target one player during the day. You will gain a permanent nightchat with that player.
At the time of your death your Protegee will gain all of your abilities in addition to their role powers.
Target is not told if healed,
Lenin told if heal is successful
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Sleeper agent[/COLOR]
Action: Target one player at night, learning who targeted them AND learning who they targeted.
If attacked by Western Scum is activated and turned over to their side as a mafioso
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Gulag Officer
[/COLOR]Can select a Political opponent(player) at night to Throw in the Gulag,
While in the Gulag the PO is role blocked,healed and is able to speak to the Gulag officer
The Gulag officer can choose 1 of 2 actions to do:
1. Stage an accident in the gulag killing the PO (1 use)
2. Torture the PO revealing a random piece of information, this info can be anything from a whole players role to a random action that happened last night.(3 uses)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]KGB agent[/COLOR]
Starts with a one use vest
Can torture a player at night revealing a piece of random information
Heat action: Kneecapper, fires a shotgun at a player role blocking them and making them unable to vote the next day (1 use)
If sleeper agent is converted in game KGB gains a one use gun and 2 auto vests[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Anti-Communist Agent[/COLOR]
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Premier's personal 'Entertainment'[/COLOR]
choose a player at night to roleblock
if lands on Leon OR Lenin they will not be roleblocked
player will be notified of roleblock.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Premier Security Service
[/COLOR]Choose a player at night to guard, if that player is attacked both players will die
Heat action: Known attacker, if PSS is attacked the attacker dies and the PSS does not (lasts for 1 day, 1 use)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FF00"]Soviet Worker[/COLOR]
Action: None
Has the power of the vote.
[/QUOTE][/SPOILER]
Action: Kill one player at night
Heat Action:-NKVD, Finds out a random players role
Heat Action 2:-5 Year plan-for 2 days,2 random players are roleblocked[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Fidel Castro[/COLOR]
Action: Target one player at night, giving them a 1-use gun or a 1-use vest. Mandatory action.
Heat Action:-Revolution, stops all votes for one day but is revealed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][COLOR="#00FFFF"]American Reporter
[/COLOR]Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.[/QUOTE]
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=Gulag torture information]
X player visited X player last night
X player was visited by X player last night
X player is [insert role]
X player is [insert alignment]
X player got roleblocked
X player got [insert action here]
X players previous feedback is[insert past feedback]
A player got [insert action here]
[/SPOILER]
[U][I][COLOR="#00FF00"]Win conditions[/COLOR][/I][/U]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Capitalist Scum[/COLOR]-Overpower/Eliminate the Proletarian,and Joseph Stalin
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Proletarian[/COLOR]-Eliminate Stalin and the Capitalist Scum
[COLOR="#FFA500"]Joseph Stalin[/COLOR]-Eliminate/Overpower the proletarian and Capitalist scum
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Fidel Castro[/COLOR]-Survive till the end
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]American Reporter[/COLOR]Survive till the end with Stalin and Castro dead
[U][COLOR="#00FF00"]OoO[/COLOR][/U]
[LIST=1]
[*]Night chats/Gulag chat open
[*]Professor chat opens
[*]Vest/Auto-vest used
[*]No ballistics
[*]Revolution
[*]5 Year plan
[*]Kneecapper
[*]Role blocks/The doctrine
[*]Detective/Lookout
[*]Consiglerie
[*]Known attacker
[*]Bodyguards move into position
[*]Heals
[*]Kills
[*]Sleeper Agent converted
[*]Weapons/vest given out
[*] Journalist report sent
[/LIST]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]
[U]Mechanics[/U][/COLOR]
Lynch's will be used with vote tags
Roles will be randomized
Days will be 48 hours and nights 24 hours
All mafia share night chats
Last wills and death notes allowed
Guns/vests can not be used with night action
[U][COLOR="#00FF00"]Heat mechanics[/COLOR][/U]
Special ability that only certain roles can use
they can only be used once but are very powerful
they can not be used with normal actions
[U][COLOR="#00FF00"]Putins Rule of Conduct[/COLOR][/U]
[LIST=1]
[*]I shall reply to all questions in [COLOR="#FFFFFF"][COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]White bold writing[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR]
[*]No out of game communications
[*]a minimum of 3 NON FILLER posts
[*]A warning system will be used as 1 warning will be used before replacement or modkill
[*]no languages besides Russian and English may be used
[*]No videos, pictures allowed within reason
[*]No PM quoting, paraphrasing allowed
[/LIST]
So comrades any questons and До свидания.
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 1.0]
Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 2.0]
Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role. [/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=CHANGELOG 3.0]
Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information[/SPOILER]
S-FM Cold War: A 13 Player game
Roles list
Capitalist Scum
President Truman (Godfather)
President Nixon (Consigliere)
JFK (Consort)
Proletariat
Leon Trotsky (Spy+Vigilante)
Vladimir Lenin (Professor+Doctor)
Hidden Communist
Hidden Communist
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
Soviet Worker (Citizen)
The Others
Joseph Stalin (serial killer)
Fidel Castro (Arms Dealer)
Possible Communist role:
Sleeper agent,Gulag officer,KGB agent,Anti communist agent,Premier Security Service,Premier's personal 'Entertainment'
Spoiler : Capitalist Scum :
President Truman
Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.
Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Heat Action:- The Doctrine, Role block all town and others ability
President Nixon
Action: Target one person at night, learning their role
Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons for 1 day and night, does not stop Scum roles. (1)
JFK
Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them.
Heat action:- Become The assassin, gives JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest
Mafioso
Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.
Spoiler : Proletariat :
Leon Trotsky
Action: Can see all actions made by the mafia (3 uses)
Has a KGB rifle, can shot and kill a player, 2 uses
Heat action:- Shades, Not give a fuck about anything, gives you 2 vests (last for 2 days)
Is told if attacked with vest on
Vladimir Lenin
Action: Target one player at night, protecting them from attacks
Heat action:- Target one player during the day. You will gain a permanent nightchat with that player.
At the time of your death your Protegee will gain all of your abilities in addition to their role powers.
Target is not told if healed,
Lenin told if heal is successful
Sleeper agent
Action: Target one player at night, learning who targeted them AND learning who they targeted.
If attacked by Western Scum is activated and turned over to their side as a mafioso
Gulag Officer
Can select a Political opponent(player) at night to Throw in the Gulag,
While in the Gulag the PO is role blocked,healed and is able to speak to the Gulag officer
The Gulag officer can choose 1 of 2 actions to do:
1. Stage an accident in the gulag killing the PO (1 use)
2. Torture the PO revealing a random piece of information, this info can be anything from a whole players role to a random action that happened last night.(3 uses)
KGB agent
Starts with a one use vest
Can torture a player at night revealing a piece of random information
Heat action: Kneecapper, fires a shotgun at a player role blocking them and making them unable to vote the next day (1 use)
If sleeper agent is converted in game KGB gains a one use gun and 2 auto vests
Anti-Communist Agent
Ask a player during the day to post a anonymous message for the next day
player asked must post a report to the Putin(me) to be posted to town if they do not comply a 'Accident, will be staged on such player.
if attacked by the Capitalist Scum will covert into a American reporter.
Premier's personal 'Entertainment'
choose a player at night to roleblock
if lands on Leon OR Lenin they will not be roleblocked
player will be notified of roleblock.
Premier Security Service
Choose a player at night to guard, if that player is attacked both players will die
Heat action: Known attacker, if PSS is attacked the attacker dies and the PSS does not (lasts for 1 day, 1 use)
Soviet Worker
Action: None
Has the power of the vote.
Spoiler : The Others :
Joseph Stalin
Action: Kill one player at night
Heat Action:-NKVD, Finds out a random players role
Heat Action 2:-5 Year plan-for 2 days,2 random players are roleblocked
Fidel Castro
Action: Target one player at night, giving them a 1-use gun or a 1-use vest. Mandatory action.
Heat Action:-Revolution, stops all votes for one day but is revealed.
American Reporter
Choose a player to post a anonymous message the next day, non mandatory
Heat action:Free Press, Change his/her win con to:
Make sure the Proletariat wins-is revealed to town but cannot be lynched for 1 day.
Make sure Stalin wins-gain a auto vest and 1 use gun.
Make sure Fidel Castro wins-gets revealed but is immune to attacks.
Continue with the Own agenda-Continue with win condition.
Spoiler : Gulag torture information :
X player visited X player last night
X player was visited by X player last night
X player is [insert role]
X player is [insert alignment]
X player got roleblocked
X player got [insert action here]
X players previous feedback is[insert past feedback]
A player got [insert action here]
Win conditions
Capitalist Scum-Overpower/Eliminate the Proletarian,and Joseph Stalin
Proletarian-Eliminate Stalin and the Capitalist Scum
Joseph Stalin-Eliminate/Overpower the proletarian and Capitalist scum
Fidel Castro-Survive till the end
American ReporterSurvive till the end with Stalin and Castro dead
OoO
Night chats/Gulag chat open
Professor chat opens
Vest/Auto-vest used
No ballistics
Revolution
5 Year plan
Kneecapper
Role blocks/The doctrine
Detective/Lookout
Consiglerie
Known attacker
Bodyguards move into position
Heals
Kills
Sleeper Agent converted
Weapons/vest given out
Journalist report sent
Mechanics
Lynch's will be used with vote tags
Roles will be randomized
Days will be 48 hours and nights 24 hours
All mafia share night chats
Last wills and death notes allowed
Guns/vests can not be used with night action
Heat mechanics
Special ability that only certain roles can use
they can only be used once but are very powerful
they can not be used with normal actions
Putins Rule of Conduct
I shall reply to all questions in White bold writing
No out of game communications
a minimum of 3 NON FILLER posts
A warning system will be used as 1 warning will be used before replacement or modkill
no languages besides Russian and English may be used
No videos, pictures allowed within reason
No PM quoting, paraphrasing allowed
So comrades any questons and До свидания.
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 1.0 :
Added the unique jailer role, Gulag officer.
Minor changes to Name of Russian worker to soviet worker
Added rule to allow death notes and LW
Castro now gets revealed when uses heat action
Minor change to wording of Leon Trotsky spy ability
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 2.0 :
Change confirmed TPR to Hidden communist
Added possible roles
Added Premiers Security Service,Anti communist agent,Premier's personal 'Entertainment' and KGB Agent
Added second heat action to Stalin due to unfairness to Stalin's role.
Spoiler : CHANGELOG 3.0 :
Changed journo win con
Nerfed heat actions to one use only
Added minor change info to mechanics
Added gulags torture information