June 21st, 2020, 07:24 PM
This is the idiot from this initial report.
Can idiots kicking people from lobbys for no reason be added to offenses. Especially after coming off a watchlist.
[url]https://imgur.com/a/m3iQmS5[/url]
I managed to wait until 14/15 to get in to the lobby
[url]https://imgur.com/a/5sBFIdh[/url]
TO QUOTE MUGY FROM THE DRAPOEL APPEAL
> However, given the goal of this reports section is to reduce toxicity in the game, and allow for people to play Mafia as a game of Mafia. We remove people who have fun at the expense of others by cheating, griefing, throwing, etc
This is the idiot from this initial report.
Can idiots kicking people from lobbys for no reason be added to offenses. Especially after coming off a watchlist.
https://imgur.com/a/m3iQmS5
I managed to wait until 14/15 to get in to the lobby
https://imgur.com/a/5sBFIdh
TO QUOTE MUGY FROM THE DRAPOEL APPEAL
> However, given the goal of this reports section is to reduce toxicity in the game, and allow for people to play Mafia as a game of Mafia. We remove people who have fun at the expense of others by cheating, griefing, throwing, etc
November 2nd, 2018, 09:22 PM
Let me just say this about your 7 ways to win. They are comprised of emotionally focused tactics/appeals. Beg! Say you deserve it! Never say Never! Claim I didnt ask to be cult! Appeal to his ego. These focus on the feelings of the executioner who has no qualm or reason to change or respond to me. He can make the decision of the game on any whim he desires. Which I consider to be low level play and fairly unskilled as it gives unique results that are never actually in your control. This put the game into someone else hands (in a game where I believe I have already won it)
I believe I found the main disagreement between us. I play the game focusing on the intellectual moves/edge. I got culted and initiated the game into a 100% win condition on a intellectual level. No one can deny that. For a player like me where I focus on making game winning moves. After being robbed/denied that position I will not lower myself into a position to EVER make a emotional play. (your 1-7, yes, obvious I have seen and tried them myself. very rarely used and even more rarely wins the game)
You say: I thought that maybe filing the report would help you (with a cooler head) see where you went wrong here.
Well the exact opposite happened: I stand by my position in the game more firmly than before. I put myself and team into a 100% intellectual win condition but my teammate "failed" for [insert X] reason. In my opinion and understanding of mafia. I won this game. Any "win" where I beg or appeal to an executioners emotion has no value or credit to how I understand mafia. You could replay this exact situation with 100 different people playing the executioner and get unique results. None truly have any meaning to me.
As a side note I also just generally dislike cult. It very often rewards town to kill town and hoping they become cult.
I guess the random person who claimed to be a mod and was going to report me for exactly this, will just remain a mystery...
Let me just say this about your 7 ways to win. They are comprised of emotionally focused tactics/appeals. Beg! Say you deserve it! Never say Never! Claim I didnt ask to be cult! Appeal to his ego. These focus on the feelings of the executioner who has no qualm or reason to change or respond to me. He can make the decision of the game on any whim he desires. Which I consider to be low level play and fairly unskilled as it gives unique results that are never actually in your control. This put the game into someone else hands (in a game where I believe I have already won it)
I believe I found the main disagreement between us. I play the game focusing on the intellectual moves/edge. I got culted and initiated the game into a 100% win condition on a intellectual level. No one can deny that. For a player like me where I focus on making game winning moves. After being robbed/denied that position I will not lower myself into a position to EVER make a emotional play. (your 1-7, yes, obvious I have seen and tried them myself. very rarely used and even more rarely wins the game)
You say: I thought that maybe filing the report would help you (with a cooler head) see where you went wrong here.
Well the exact opposite happened: I stand by my position in the game more firmly than before. I put myself and team into a 100% intellectual win condition but my teammate "failed" for [insert X] reason. In my opinion and understanding of mafia. I won this game. Any "win" where I beg or appeal to an executioners emotion has no value or credit to how I understand mafia. You could replay this exact situation with 100 different people playing the executioner and get unique results. None truly have any meaning to me.
As a side note I also just generally dislike cult. It very often rewards town to kill town and hoping they become cult.
I guess the random person who claimed to be a mod and was going to report me for exactly this, will just remain a mystery...
November 2nd, 2018, 05:12 PM
Glad we solved that.
So now onto the person who claimed to be a mod and was going to ban me for reactionary throwing. Are you now going to claim that was not you or are we going to have to look at the original 15 people in the game and find out there was only one mod? (if there literally was 2 mods in the game then yes I 100% WILL owe you an apology.)
While you are here. Might as well answer another question whether or not ANY AND ALL suicides should be considered "reactionary gamethrowing? You are a mod after all. Might as well get the official position?
I dont want to suicide as a citizen against 3 mafia and end up getting another "reactionary throw" / "salt"
or can you acknowledge the obvious that I suicide in an unwinnable game in any practical sense of the phrase. If i have to beg an exe who just innoed the other last evil. I await to here how my "reactionary throw" can be equal across all uses of it bans on the forums
Glad we solved that.
So now onto the person who claimed to be a mod and was going to ban me for reactionary throwing. Are you now going to claim that was not you or are we going to have to look at the original 15 people in the game and find out there was only one mod? (if there literally was 2 mods in the game then yes I 100% WILL owe you an apology.)
While you are here. Might as well answer another question whether or not ANY AND ALL suicides should be considered "reactionary gamethrowing? You are a mod after all. Might as well get the official position?
I dont want to suicide as a citizen against 3 mafia and end up getting another "reactionary throw" / "salt"
or can you acknowledge the obvious that I suicide in an unwinnable game in any practical sense of the phrase. If i have to beg an exe who just innoed the other last evil. I await to here how my "reactionary throw" can be equal across all uses of it bans on the forums
November 2nd, 2018, 10:59 AM
Let me just summarize what you are claiming.
You[I] aren't [/I]the cult who threw.
You [I]aren't[/I] the mod who pmed me for 10 minutes after the game claiming to be a mod on the forums
You [I]aren't[/I] the mod who pmed me for 10 minutes literally threatening to do EXACTLY what you claimed in this thread.
You are claming it must have been another random mod who stayed till the end of the game and made the EXACT same accusation and claim. WOW ZOINKS SCOOB WHAT A MYSTERY.
Anyone who watched that game and thinks what I did was throwing is a complete moron. My teammate threw. Its so comical reading your accusation and defense of him you were 6.
What you wrote might be the dumbest claim I have ever read in my life.
>Considering 6 was the original cultist and was clearly trying to win, it is my opinion that he did not forget to vote on purpose but instead just made a mistake.
Clearly trying to win!!!!!!!
[B]What your evidence?[/B]
hm...... He[B] didnt vote to win despite it being a 100% win[/B]. hmmm aasirmus you are a literal genius think.. hmmm
I will just claim 2 things that are in direct conflict with each other. PERFECT. He was[B] trying to win[/B] but he did exactly [B]what prevented him from winning[/B]. Genius.
wait assirmus you need to put a cherry on the top so it has [B]POWER[/B] behind it.
I will claim its my[B] OPINION[/B] he made a mistake [B]despite the evidence showing the EXACT opposite[/B]. GENIUS.
TL;DR
AASIRMUS: MY OPINION > FACTS, EVIDENCE, LOGIC, REALITY
Punishing people for another person mistake. Classic.
THIS WHOLE THING JUST SHOWS FOAMING HYPOCRISY
EVERY SINGLE SUICIDE IN MAFIA CAN LITERALLY BE CONSIDERED GAME THROWING.
the amount of exception making and mental gymnastics for this to be consider a throw is ABSURD. I await to hear how I was going to get the executioner to VOTE AND GUILTY the last evil he just inno'd.
I love how that in order for me to be guilty. You need to claim 6 is innocent of any crime. Yet there is no evidence 6 is innocent, but you have to claim it because you want to punish me. (because you were indeed 6 who pm'd me after the game and claimed you would ban me and you were a mod.)
I await your next epic defense. aasmirus
Let me just summarize what you are claiming.
You aren't the cult who threw.
You aren't the mod who pmed me for 10 minutes after the game claiming to be a mod on the forums
You aren't the mod who pmed me for 10 minutes literally threatening to do EXACTLY what you claimed in this thread.
You are claming it must have been another random mod who stayed till the end of the game and made the EXACT same accusation and claim. WOW ZOINKS SCOOB WHAT A MYSTERY.
Anyone who watched that game and thinks what I did was throwing is a complete moron. My teammate threw. Its so comical reading your accusation and defense of him you were 6.
What you wrote might be the dumbest claim I have ever read in my life.
>Considering 6 was the original cultist and was clearly trying to win, it is my opinion that he did not forget to vote on purpose but instead just made a mistake.
Clearly trying to win!!!!!!!
What your evidence?
hm...... He didnt vote to win despite it being a 100% win. hmmm aasirmus you are a literal genius think.. hmmm
I will just claim 2 things that are in direct conflict with each other. PERFECT. He was trying to win but he did exactly what prevented him from winning. Genius.
wait assirmus you need to put a cherry on the top so it has POWER behind it.
I will claim its my OPINION he made a mistake despite the evidence showing the EXACT opposite. GENIUS.
TL;DR
AASIRMUS: MY OPINION > FACTS, EVIDENCE, LOGIC, REALITY
Punishing people for another person mistake. Classic.
THIS WHOLE THING JUST SHOWS FOAMING HYPOCRISY
EVERY SINGLE SUICIDE IN MAFIA CAN LITERALLY BE CONSIDERED GAME THROWING.
the amount of exception making and mental gymnastics for this to be consider a throw is ABSURD. I await to hear how I was going to get the executioner to VOTE AND GUILTY the last evil he just inno'd.
I love how that in order for me to be guilty. You need to claim 6 is innocent of any crime. Yet there is no evidence 6 is innocent, but you have to claim it because you want to punish me. (because you were indeed 6 who pm'd me after the game and claimed you would ban me and you were a mod.)
I await your next epic defense. aasmirus
September 16th, 2018, 01:21 AM
Edit: (apparently theres a character limit on messages)
Please come and claim your prize aamirus!
I remember this game happened at least a few months ago. I remember because we argued after the game and you kept saying over and over again how you were a mod on the forums and you were gonna ban me for throwing. Yes, I also distinctly remember encouraging you to upload and report! (clearly you didnt see this was a classic example of winning the battle but losing the war)
So let me get this straight. You sit on this replay for a couple months and one day you go. You know what I am going to do! Let me upload a game where[I] I[/I] 100% lost the game and try to get the guy who carried me to a free victory banned for throwing. Am I going to claim that I was the person who lost the game?[B] NO[/B] Ill just claim I am a random bystander. Do I take any responsibility for my own actions and lack of competence? Obviously I will not! [I]I am am mod with integrity![/I]
In that game I got at least one maybe two cult killed. When I become cult with 4 left. Do I whine or complain. No I make a move to guarantee cult a victory. You completely botched the 100% win. Then I get a reactionary throwing after winning the game for cult. Classic
I know this is not a formal appeal. However Godfeather in your wise judgement, mercy and grace. May you double my watchlist 2x into 4x and make my offense [B] obscene harassment and berating[/B], or something equally fitting? For I may actually learning something in the future this way. As, I will learn nothing from my teammate losing the game and then expecting me to beg an executioner who innoed the other last evil the next day.
Its stunts like this from people like you why our current culture is so divided and on edge about everything. aamirus you are a professional victim. You are the guy who runs a red light, gets into an accident and you get out of your car screaming at the other person because their car technically hit yours. You clearly spent 0 time in self reflection to realize you are the source and root of this current problem. O wait no. What you did here was plain cowardice. You are the guy who runs the red light and when you cause the accident you fake a bad neck injury to get pity and take attention away from your own actions and failure. You are a professional victim, you put yourself into a position of power. You become a mod and you wield that power and responsibility right on the edge of blatant dishonesty and deceit. You use power not a source to better or uplift any part of the game or community. You use power simply as a tool to serve yourself and your own interests.
All I ever wanted was the recognition of you costing us the victory. All I want was a hey, I dropped the ball and lost us the game, sorry. Maybe something like, I wasnt paying attention and didnt vote and it cost us the game, my bad. This situation is a chain link problem with a chain link solution. It requires both people to recognize and acknowledge their own misdoing and actions to make a resolution. I 100% admit and recognize I went over the top being an asshole. However the natural order is you apologize first, then I apologize second, we feel like idiots for 2 minutes, shake hands and go about our day. Hopefully learning something from the situation. Mere negligence does not merit nor equivocate to absolution.
Edit: (apparently theres a character limit on messages)
Please come and claim your prize aamirus!
I remember this game happened at least a few months ago. I remember because we argued after the game and you kept saying over and over again how you were a mod on the forums and you were gonna ban me for throwing. Yes, I also distinctly remember encouraging you to upload and report! (clearly you didnt see this was a classic example of winning the battle but losing the war)
So let me get this straight. You sit on this replay for a couple months and one day you go. You know what I am going to do! Let me upload a game where I 100% lost the game and try to get the guy who carried me to a free victory banned for throwing. Am I going to claim that I was the person who lost the game? NO Ill just claim I am a random bystander. Do I take any responsibility for my own actions and lack of competence? Obviously I will not! I am am mod with integrity!
In that game I got at least one maybe two cult killed. When I become cult with 4 left. Do I whine or complain. No I make a move to guarantee cult a victory. You completely botched the 100% win. Then I get a reactionary throwing after winning the game for cult. Classic
I know this is not a formal appeal. However Godfeather in your wise judgement, mercy and grace. May you double my watchlist 2x into 4x and make my offense obscene harassment and berating, or something equally fitting? For I may actually learning something in the future this way. As, I will learn nothing from my teammate losing the game and then expecting me to beg an executioner who innoed the other last evil the next day.
Its stunts like this from people like you why our current culture is so divided and on edge about everything. aamirus you are a professional victim. You are the guy who runs a red light, gets into an accident and you get out of your car screaming at the other person because their car technically hit yours. You clearly spent 0 time in self reflection to realize you are the source and root of this current problem. O wait no. What you did here was plain cowardice. You are the guy who runs the red light and when you cause the accident you fake a bad neck injury to get pity and take attention away from your own actions and failure. You are a professional victim, you put yourself into a position of power. You become a mod and you wield that power and responsibility right on the edge of blatant dishonesty and deceit. You use power not a source to better or uplift any part of the game or community. You use power simply as a tool to serve yourself and your own interests.
All I ever wanted was the recognition of you costing us the victory. All I want was a hey, I dropped the ball and lost us the game, sorry. Maybe something like, I wasnt paying attention and didnt vote and it cost us the game, my bad. This situation is a chain link problem with a chain link solution. It requires both people to recognize and acknowledge their own misdoing and actions to make a resolution. I 100% admit and recognize I went over the top being an asshole. However the natural order is you apologize first, then I apologize second, we feel like idiots for 2 minutes, shake hands and go about our day. Hopefully learning something from the situation. Mere negligence does not merit nor equivocate to absolution.