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[QUOTE=OzyWho;724235]Sounds to me like MM [I]gamethrow[/I] in the sense that he could have gotten off easily lynching a townie Day2.
But it was probably because he was very busy IRL so couldn't follow anything I guess. :/[/QUOTE]

no he played great honestly. It was purely meta, if I had never played with MM before I would have probably kept pushing that SCV lynch lol And it was also because SCV fought so hard as well, if SCV didn't push back as hard as he did, than I would have kept pushing his lynch. It was a combination of things.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Sounds to me like MM gamethrow in the sense that he could have gotten off easily lynching a townie Day2.
But it was probably because he was very busy IRL so couldn't follow anything I guess. :/

no he played great honestly. It was purely meta, if I had never played with MM before I would have probably kept pushing that SCV lynch lol And it was also because SCV fought so hard as well, if SCV didn't push back as hard as he did, than I would have kept pushing his lynch. It was a combination of things.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;724234]The thing that I called bullshit was your statement about it being helpful for Town that you shoot the most confirmed townies. Srsly.. are you ok?[/QUOTE]

well he was rigger....he had to get rid of the confirmed towns somehow. he pretty much got cornered into doing risky moves. He took the highest risk 1, but the other alternative was shooting yagami or SCV. and with SCV giving guns, i woulda felt safe SCV wouldent be the first to jump/hammer - and yagami was pushing a lot of other people so most likely easier to "lead off" in his eyes.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

The thing that I called bullshit was your statement about it being helpful for Town that you shoot the most confirmed townies. Srsly.. are you ok?

well he was rigger....he had to get rid of the confirmed towns somehow. he pretty much got cornered into doing risky moves. He took the highest risk 1, but the other alternative was shooting yagami or SCV. and with SCV giving guns, i woulda felt safe SCV wouldent be the first to jump/hammer - and yagami was pushing a lot of other people so most likely easier to "lead off" in his eyes.

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724231]its not bullshit when i abuse my hate for distorted to get some sweet kills :D[/QUOTE]

you shot me in my sleep =(

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

its not bullshit when i abuse my hate for distorted to get some sweet kills

you shot me in my sleep =(

[QUOTE=OzyWho;724230]So it was more like MM being off, than SCV being innocent.
I mean like, SCV would have never gotten off so easily if it wasn't for MM acting bad?[/QUOTE]

somewhat, MM was ignoring blink which makes 0 sense...they usually go at eachother. He jumped at my slip of saying "weaponsmith" but ignored blink flat out saying "i am scum". He tunneled in too hard. Then over the course of like the 5000 pages of me and SCV arguing, i started putting out strategies to confirm it and MM wasnt jumping in on those. MM loves to strategize as town and come up with plans, he has commented in the last FM game that he missed some of the older players because he missed doing exactly that, so i started getting more and more susp that the more strategies i put out, the less he addressed them.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

So it was more like MM being off, than SCV being innocent.
I mean like, SCV would have never gotten off so easily if it wasn't for MM acting bad?

somewhat, MM was ignoring blink which makes 0 sense...they usually go at eachother. He jumped at my slip of saying "weaponsmith" but ignored blink flat out saying "i am scum". He tunneled in too hard. Then over the course of like the 5000 pages of me and SCV arguing, i started putting out strategies to confirm it and MM wasnt jumping in on those. MM loves to strategize as town and come up with plans, he has commented in the last FM game that he missed some of the older players because he missed doing exactly that, so i started getting more and more susp that the more strategies i put out, the less he addressed them.

ooops duplicate post (did reply with quote instead of edit) not used to being able to edit here lol

ooops duplicate post (did reply with quote instead of edit) not used to being able to edit here lol

[MENTION=30663]OzyWho[/MENTION]

[COLOR="#00FFFF"]This is the exact post where i became confident me and SCV was a TvT argument....I got so frustrated at MM during this lol[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Scvmurderer;722135]MM, are you fucking scum? I swear you better be scum or I am going to lose all faith in you for this.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR="#00FFFF"]this is me being frustrated at MM[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Distorted;721779]you are a moron dude.......i seriously thought u were better than this lol[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;721784]Insults won't make you live... also if you're really town then Scv dies, he has put his blood on the pact.[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=Distorted;721787]im insulting you because blink admitted to being scum, scv slipped heavy on it - no reason to give efe a gun rofl and looking at EoD yesterday. any half decen forum mafia player can see wtf is going on, but for some reason you are ignoring it? you are iether the 3rd scum or just......really really bad.[/QUOTE]




[QUOTE=Distorted;721810]this has honestly turned so idiotic. go read EoD yesterday

[MENTION=29730]Magoroth[/MENTION] if im lynched shoot SCV or blink tonight w/e

[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION] .....just wow dude you literally ignore all the fucking signs and just vote me from paranoia of me being scum. yeah, ok dude get played then.[/QUOTE]


Seeing SCV all of a sudden show that same frustration is what made me confident to not want to push him anymore...because it was frustrating af lol

@OzyWho

This is the exact post where i became confident me and SCV was a TvT argument....I got so frustrated at MM during this lol

Originally Posted by Scvmurderer

MM, are you fucking scum? I swear you better be scum or I am going to lose all faith in you for this.

this is me being frustrated at MM

Originally Posted by Distorted

you are a moron dude.......i seriously thought u were better than this lol

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Insults won't make you live... also if you're really town then Scv dies, he has put his blood on the pact.

Originally Posted by Distorted

im insulting you because blink admitted to being scum, scv slipped heavy on it - no reason to give efe a gun rofl and looking at EoD yesterday. any half decen forum mafia player can see wtf is going on, but for some reason you are ignoring it? you are iether the 3rd scum or just......really really bad.

Originally Posted by Distorted

this has honestly turned so idiotic. go read EoD yesterday

@Magoroth if im lynched shoot SCV or blink tonight w/e

@Marshmallow Marshall .....just wow dude you literally ignore all the fucking signs and just vote me from paranoia of me being scum. yeah, ok dude get played then.

Seeing SCV all of a sudden show that same frustration is what made me confident to not want to push him anymore...because it was frustrating af lol

[vote]unvote[/vote] oh the bot is still set to 3 votes lol

-vote unvote

oh the bot is still set to 3 votes lol

hahaha - this was a fun setup. Nobody but [MENTION=28592]Efekannn02[/MENTION] could pull off shooting a bunch of town and still being a 50/50 read lol

I can't believe i forgot to put in my LW who I gave the guns too rofl - The last night I gave my gun to [MENTION=29766]Scvmurderer[/MENTION] though

[MENTION=30619]Light_Yagami[/MENTION] you have some interesting trains of thought that keeps opening up discussion into different directions and people. That is really helpful in these games because it stops scum from "wifoming" and towns from tunnel visioning in on people leading to mis-lynches. One thing I would suggest is trying to explain the reasoning behind your actions though so we can follow what your thinking/doing =D

[MENTION=5232]Numbertwo[/MENTION] hopefully you sign up for more! I know you have been around here longer than I have, but enjoyed playing with you! you should setup another reserve on the current FM signups.

[MENTION=10051]Fielzanks[/MENTION] You said you poured your heart into this 1 as ur first FM and I think everyone here is having a hard time believing this is your first game haha ;) I would put MVP here on this game. I had the hardest time giving you a town read because you were just...too towny to be town lol BUT [COLOR="#00FF00"]who are you in the mod[/COLOR] already! and I noticed you said you were not part of the discord yet, here is an invite :)

[url]https://discord.gg/rYRT5Tz[/url]

[vote]fielzanks[/vote] mvp

hahaha - this was a fun setup. Nobody but @Efekannn02 could pull off shooting a bunch of town and still being a 50/50 read lol

I can't believe i forgot to put in my LW who I gave the guns too rofl - The last night I gave my gun to @Scvmurderer though

@Light_Yagami you have some interesting trains of thought that keeps opening up discussion into different directions and people. That is really helpful in these games because it stops scum from "wifoming" and towns from tunnel visioning in on people leading to mis-lynches. One thing I would suggest is trying to explain the reasoning behind your actions though so we can follow what your thinking/doing =D

@Numbertwo hopefully you sign up for more! I know you have been around here longer than I have, but enjoyed playing with you! you should setup another reserve on the current FM signups.

@Fielzanks You said you poured your heart into this 1 as ur first FM and I think everyone here is having a hard time believing this is your first game haha ;) I would put MVP here on this game. I had the hardest time giving you a town read because you were just...too towny to be town lol BUT who are you in the mod already! and I noticed you said you were not part of the discord yet, here is an invite

https://discord.gg/rYRT5Tz

-vote fielzanks

mvp

[MENTION=10051]Fielzanks[/MENTION] if the hammer does get pulled pass the gun back to me btw - not numbertwo

That is if you have no target you want to shoot.

@Fielzanks if the hammer does get pulled pass the gun back to me btw - not numbertwo

That is if you have no target you want to shoot.

[QUOTE=Distorted;723619]we still have 1 day and 10 hours - can some1 remove a vote to keep him off L-1? we have a bunch of diff strategies we still havnt even discussed yet. I am fine with rumox being the lynch but we need to figure out what to do with guns and items.

[MENTION=28592]Efekannn02[/MENTION] if the hammer does get pulled please do not shoot me or scv.[/QUOTE]

I mean we have 2 shots - but also the rigger takes 2 shots either both at day or both at night to kill - and that is if he HASNT given himself any vests.

Originally Posted by Distorted

we still have 1 day and 10 hours - can some1 remove a vote to keep him off L-1? we have a bunch of diff strategies we still havnt even discussed yet. I am fine with rumox being the lynch but we need to figure out what to do with guns and items.

@Efekannn02 if the hammer does get pulled please do not shoot me or scv.

I mean we have 2 shots - but also the rigger takes 2 shots either both at day or both at night to kill - and that is if he HASNT given himself any vests.

we still have 1 day and 10 hours - can some1 remove a vote to keep him off L-1? we have a bunch of diff strategies we still havnt even discussed yet. I am fine with rumox being the lynch but we need to figure out what to do with guns and items.

[MENTION=28592]Efekannn02[/MENTION] if the hammer does get pulled please do not shoot me or scv.

we still have 1 day and 10 hours - can some1 remove a vote to keep him off L-1? we have a bunch of diff strategies we still havnt even discussed yet. I am fine with rumox being the lynch but we need to figure out what to do with guns and items.

@Efekannn02 if the hammer does get pulled please do not shoot me or scv.

[MENTION=29730]Magoroth[/MENTION] !! I see you reading :) nice shot btw!!!!! couldent have picked a better person to give the gun to =D

@Magoroth !! I see you reading nice shot btw!!!!! couldent have picked a better person to give the gun to =D

this thread is 3437 posts long so far rofl

this thread is 3437 posts long so far rofl

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723574][vote]rumox[/vote]

Fine [MENTION=10220]Distorted[/MENTION] Here Is My Vot Ill Vote With You This Day[/QUOTE]

im not voting yet just because I want to give more time for efe and other people to confirm everything. I also want to set up a plan for night actions tonight so we are all on the same page.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

-vote rumox

Fine @Distorted Here Is My Vot Ill Vote With You This Day

im not voting yet just because I want to give more time for efe and other people to confirm everything. I also want to set up a plan for night actions tonight so we are all on the same page.

[QUOTE=Distorted;723571][COLOR="#00FFFF"]100% agree =)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFA500"]yes he confirmed you, but he could be mafia or rigger just "saying that" to try to confirm himself.
or you could BOTH be evil - so helping to confirm the items will just give more on it. But i'm pretty sure we will solve this game pretty quickly. I think rumox checked out, kinda gave up he was on earlier and no responses so, think he is calling it GG. just the rigger left after him.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

making guns illegal will just give all the power to the criminals who use them. I mean it's not even hard to make a functioning firearm. also, since 1950 there have only been 2 mass shootings in American that were not in "gun-free zones". Statistically, less guns increases gun violence.

Originally Posted by Distorted

100% agree =)

yes he confirmed you, but he could be mafia or rigger just "saying that" to try to confirm himself.
or you could BOTH be evil - so helping to confirm the items will just give more on it. But i'm pretty sure we will solve this game pretty quickly. I think rumox checked out, kinda gave up he was on earlier and no responses so, think he is calling it GG. just the rigger left after him.

making guns illegal will just give all the power to the criminals who use them. I mean it's not even hard to make a functioning firearm. also, since 1950 there have only been 2 mass shootings in American that were not in "gun-free zones". Statistically, less guns increases gun violence.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723570][COLOR="#00FFFF"]People Kill People Firearms Don't Lawful Citizens Use Them For Defense.. Just In Case Of Home Invasion Or Tyrannical Government... Its The Retards That Kill For No Reason..
The Second Amendment Is What Protects the Other 9 Basic Rights Of the People.. Never give Up The Right To Defend Yourself.[/COLOR].[COLOR="#FFA500"] Also , Numbertwo Stated the Item I Gave Hybrid Is Legit. So the Item I Gave Murderer Is Also Legit.. So no Harm No Foul..[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FFFF"]100% agree =)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFA500"]yes he confirmed you, but he could be mafia or rigger just "saying that" to try to confirm himself.
or you could BOTH be evil - so helping to confirm the items will just give more on it. But i'm pretty sure we will solve this game pretty quickly. I think rumox checked out, kinda gave up he was on earlier and no responses so, think he is calling it GG. just the rigger left after him.[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

People Kill People Firearms Don't Lawful Citizens Use Them For Defense.. Just In Case Of Home Invasion Or Tyrannical Government... Its The Retards That Kill For No Reason..
The Second Amendment Is What Protects the Other 9 Basic Rights Of the People.. Never give Up The Right To Defend Yourself.. Also , Numbertwo Stated the Item I Gave Hybrid Is Legit. So the Item I Gave Murderer Is Also Legit.. So no Harm No Foul..

100% agree =)

yes he confirmed you, but he could be mafia or rigger just "saying that" to try to confirm himself.
or you could BOTH be evil - so helping to confirm the items will just give more on it. But i'm pretty sure we will solve this game pretty quickly. I think rumox checked out, kinda gave up he was on earlier and no responses so, think he is calling it GG. just the rigger left after him.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723566]If And I Stress If Murderer Gave Efe Another Firearm And If Number two Gave You The Vest I Gave Hybrid. Your Safe.. Also Murderer Is Safe In The Event Of A Lynch[/QUOTE]

nah NumberTwo confirmed he did not give me a vest - so the vest I have is from the Rigger.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

If And I Stress If Murderer Gave Efe Another Firearm And If Number two Gave You The Vest I Gave Hybrid. Your Safe.. Also Murderer Is Safe In The Event Of A Lynch

nah NumberTwo confirmed he did not give me a vest - so the vest I have is from the Rigger.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723562]Nope Chuck Testa.. I'm Proving My Self With This Action..

If Numbertwo Confirmed The Item I Gave Hybrid. Your Safe At Night... If Murderer Is Lynched And Survives It Confirms Me. However, Numbertwo Stated He Cant Give Items Away So Im Just Covering Bases At This Point.[/QUOTE]

so where does efekannn shooting me come into play?

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Nope Chuck Testa.. I'm Proving My Self With This Action..

If Numbertwo Confirmed The Item I Gave Hybrid. Your Safe At Night... If Murderer Is Lynched And Survives It Confirms Me. However, Numbertwo Stated He Cant Give Items Away So Im Just Covering Bases At This Point.

so where does efekannn shooting me come into play?

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723554]Thats What I Mean And Town that Fucks Town Always Gets Ship.[/QUOTE]

are you claiming you are Mafia and giving up?

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Thats What I Mean And Town that Fucks Town Always Gets Ship.

are you claiming you are Mafia and giving up?

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723554]Thats What I Mean And Town that Fucks Town Always Gets Ship.[/QUOTE]

so you want efekannn to shoot me. the you want to lynch SCV tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Thats What I Mean And Town that Fucks Town Always Gets Ship.

so you want efekannn to shoot me. the you want to lynch SCV tomorrow?

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723551][MENTION=10220]Distorted[/MENTION] You Wish You Get Ship For That Post[/QUOTE]

? im not following what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

@Distorted You Wish You Get Ship For That Post

? im not following what you're saying.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723548][MENTION=28592]Efekannn02[/MENTION]

You Get To Do What You Wanted Shoot Distorted[/QUOTE]

you have got to be kidding lol so I think the last maf just gave up?

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

@Efekannn02

You Get To Do What You Wanted Shoot Distorted

you have got to be kidding lol so I think the last maf just gave up?

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723545]I Suggest Id Murderer Is Truth Full About Who He Gave His Item 2 Efe Shoots Distorted Tonight And We Lynch Murderer Tomorrow To Confirm Me If Required. My Items Are Of The Highest Quality...[/QUOTE]

what? can you go into more depth with this post?

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

I Suggest Id Murderer Is Truth Full About Who He Gave His Item 2 Efe Shoots Distorted Tonight And We Lynch Murderer Tomorrow To Confirm Me If Required. My Items Are Of The Highest Quality...

what? can you go into more depth with this post?

Fielz - Blink - Efe - Rumox

has to be 1-2 evils in there or it comes down to:

Distorted, SCV, Yagami, NumberTwo.

If we can confirm yagami + number two in this process because I really see no options for SCV being scum at this point. He cant be counterfeiter, if he was Blacksmith I see that being suicide hammering MM rather than just going AFK and hoping he didnt get lynched. If he is then well fking played you will probably win =P lol but i doubt it.

Fielz - Blink - Efe - Rumox

has to be 1-2 evils in there or it comes down to:

Distorted, SCV, Yagami, NumberTwo.

If we can confirm yagami + number two in this process because I really see no options for SCV being scum at this point. He cant be counterfeiter, if he was Blacksmith I see that being suicide hammering MM rather than just going AFK and hoping he didnt get lynched. If he is then well fking played you will probably win =P lol but i doubt it.

[QUOTE=Distorted;723535]we would confirm beforehand - it's just a suggestion as well not something im pushing this second.

But, if we can really rule out any other guns in play, then that information if it did kill you would reveal:

1) yagami is counterfeiter or Rigger. 0 other options
2) NumberTwo lied about the item being legit trying to sound town, meaning he did not really check it.

If you survive - It confirms yagami......unless actually NumberTwo is Rigger and knows he needs another evil alive so lied to keep yagami alive. hmmmm havnt thought of that.[/QUOTE]

but that would mean yagami would have to be another blacksmith

Originally Posted by Distorted

we would confirm beforehand - it's just a suggestion as well not something im pushing this second.

But, if we can really rule out any other guns in play, then that information if it did kill you would reveal:

1) yagami is counterfeiter or Rigger. 0 other options
2) NumberTwo lied about the item being legit trying to sound town, meaning he did not really check it.

If you survive - It confirms yagami......unless actually NumberTwo is Rigger and knows he needs another evil alive so lied to keep yagami alive. hmmmm havnt thought of that.

but that would mean yagami would have to be another blacksmith

[QUOTE=Scvmurderer;723533]Hey now, I'm not like this whole me being a guinea pig thing.[/QUOTE]

we would confirm beforehand - it's just a suggestion as well not something im pushing this second.

But, if we can really rule out any other guns in play, then that information if it did kill you would reveal:

1) yagami is counterfeiter or Rigger. 0 other options
2) NumberTwo lied about the item being legit trying to sound town, meaning he did not really check it.

If you survive - It confirms yagami......unless actually NumberTwo is Rigger and knows he needs another evil alive so lied to keep yagami alive. hmmmm havnt thought of that.

Originally Posted by Scvmurderer

Hey now, I'm not like this whole me being a guinea pig thing.

we would confirm beforehand - it's just a suggestion as well not something im pushing this second.

But, if we can really rule out any other guns in play, then that information if it did kill you would reveal:

1) yagami is counterfeiter or Rigger. 0 other options
2) NumberTwo lied about the item being legit trying to sound town, meaning he did not really check it.

If you survive - It confirms yagami......unless actually NumberTwo is Rigger and knows he needs another evil alive so lied to keep yagami alive. hmmmm havnt thought of that.

[QUOTE=Distorted;723531]before exploring this we need to be sure there is no other guns in play that they could "shoot him" with and we need to be DAMN SURE of that.[/QUOTE]

and we could actually have fielz or efe shoot SCV the same night he uses the vest as well to make sure its not from a counterfeiter.

[MENTION=8508]SuperJack[/MENTION] [COLOR="#00FF00"]not sure if you arleady answered this but - if some1 vests and is shot 2-3 times the vest stops ALL shots correct? like how a survivor vest works in the mod?[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Distorted

before exploring this we need to be sure there is no other guns in play that they could "shoot him" with and we need to be DAMN SURE of that.

and we could actually have fielz or efe shoot SCV the same night he uses the vest as well to make sure its not from a counterfeiter.

@SuperJack not sure if you arleady answered this but - if some1 vests and is shot 2-3 times the vest stops ALL shots correct? like how a survivor vest works in the mod?

[QUOTE=Distorted;723528]aye and NumberTwo confirms you as well.

Actually - if SCV used the vest tonight to check it that would confirm Yagami. If he dies that shows that Yagami is rigger and NumberTwo is last mafia. no other option if that vest killed him.

Mafia obviously used the gun they had on Noz, so I dont think there will be any kills tonight except from efe and Fielz.

Fielz though is willing to keep himself locked up with items while we confirm people as well.[/QUOTE]

before exploring this we need to be sure there is no other guns in play that they could "shoot him" with and we need to be DAMN SURE of that.

Originally Posted by Distorted

aye and NumberTwo confirms you as well.

Actually - if SCV used the vest tonight to check it that would confirm Yagami. If he dies that shows that Yagami is rigger and NumberTwo is last mafia. no other option if that vest killed him.

Mafia obviously used the gun they had on Noz, so I dont think there will be any kills tonight except from efe and Fielz.

Fielz though is willing to keep himself locked up with items while we confirm people as well.

before exploring this we need to be sure there is no other guns in play that they could "shoot him" with and we need to be DAMN SURE of that.

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;723527]I can confirm that his quality stuff breaks after 1 night[/QUOTE]

rofl

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

I can confirm that his quality stuff breaks after 1 night

rofl

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723526][MENTION=10220]Distorted[/MENTION] I Gave SCVMURDERER An Exceptional Item. Of The Highest Caliber[/QUOTE]

aye and NumberTwo confirms you as well.

Actually - if SCV used the vest tonight to check it that would confirm Yagami. If he dies that shows that Yagami is rigger and NumberTwo is last mafia. no other option if that vest killed him.

Mafia obviously used the gun they had on Noz, so I dont think there will be any kills tonight except from efe and Fielz.

Fielz though is willing to keep himself locked up with items while we confirm people as well.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

@Distorted I Gave SCVMURDERER An Exceptional Item. Of The Highest Caliber

aye and NumberTwo confirms you as well.

Actually - if SCV used the vest tonight to check it that would confirm Yagami. If he dies that shows that Yagami is rigger and NumberTwo is last mafia. no other option if that vest killed him.

Mafia obviously used the gun they had on Noz, so I dont think there will be any kills tonight except from efe and Fielz.

Fielz though is willing to keep himself locked up with items while we confirm people as well.

Let's actually set a deal with town -

[COLOR="#00FFFF"][SIZE=5]NO TOWNS USE DAY VESTS[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Since all that will do is make us believe you are rigger, wasting an additional night or guns going after you and giving the rigger free nights/days/

So no town should use a vest to prevent lynches. If you get put up for lynch, just understand it's in the best interest for town to not have a day vest...

Let's actually set a deal with town -

NO TOWNS USE DAY VESTS

Since all that will do is make us believe you are rigger, wasting an additional night or guns going after you and giving the rigger free nights/days/

So no town should use a vest to prevent lynches. If you get put up for lynch, just understand it's in the best interest for town to not have a day vest...

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723523]If I can pass item every night to someone trusted, I'm basically making me not be able to play if I was rigger. And after lynching every citizen, you would lynch me and I would loose all the same so that would be a lame strategy.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]◘[/COLOR] ← that is a town block. With this post literally you would be dooming yourself if you are Rigger with that strategy. May just take you up on that because that locks you into being confirmed town, and literally dooming yourself to losing the game if you're rigger.

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

If I can pass item every night to someone trusted, I'm basically making me not be able to play if I was rigger. And after lynching every citizen, you would lynch me and I would loose all the same so that would be a lame strategy.

◘ � that is a town block. With this post literally you would be dooming yourself if you are Rigger with that strategy. May just take you up on that because that locks you into being confirmed town, and literally dooming yourself to losing the game if you're rigger.

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723518]Alright, I'm following your train of thoughts now, and I agree - lynching prime mafia while searching for Rigger.
Since Rigger can't kill until n4, I will pass my gun to someone confirmed since passing an item cancels night actions to confirm myself.[/QUOTE]

eh I think just pew pew some1 =P but that can be decided later. all the rigger has to do is give himself an item and it has the same effect of framing you.

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

Alright, I'm following your train of thoughts now, and I agree - lynching prime mafia while searching for Rigger.
Since Rigger can't kill until n4, I will pass my gun to someone confirmed since passing an item cancels night actions to confirm myself.

eh I think just pew pew some1 =P but that can be decided later. all the rigger has to do is give himself an item and it has the same effect of framing you.

[MENTION=6868]rumox[/MENTION] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@rumox !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;723509]Im originally from umeå so i haven't learned finnish yet but everyone that lives in övertorneå speaks both finnish and swedish[/QUOTE]

amg send me swedish snus!!

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

Im originally from umeå so i haven't learned finnish yet but everyone that lives in övertorneå speaks both finnish and swedish

amg send me swedish snus!!

[QUOTE=Distorted;723513]we are going to be lynching prime MAFIA targets - not rigger. I just want to switch the discussion to the rigger while we go after the Mafia targets. of course we will still be discussing the mafia, but i think it is time we start addressing the rigger as well. before i wasnt because mafia with 3 votes and 3 unknown roles it was imperative to drop their numbers before addressing the rigger (in my opinion).[/QUOTE]

my prime hunt is still hitting the last mafia role - by discussion wise i think exploring the rigger now will be a better use of our time. I still want to hit the last mafia before the rigger since we have such a good amount of info on the mafia now. Rigger could lead us to 1-2 mis lynhes causing evils to become a big threat again via voting strength.

Originally Posted by Distorted

we are going to be lynching prime MAFIA targets - not rigger. I just want to switch the discussion to the rigger while we go after the Mafia targets. of course we will still be discussing the mafia, but i think it is time we start addressing the rigger as well. before i wasnt because mafia with 3 votes and 3 unknown roles it was imperative to drop their numbers before addressing the rigger (in my opinion).

my prime hunt is still hitting the last mafia role - by discussion wise i think exploring the rigger now will be a better use of our time. I still want to hit the last mafia before the rigger since we have such a good amount of info on the mafia now. Rigger could lead us to 1-2 mis lynhes causing evils to become a big threat again via voting strength.

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723511]And meanwhile last mafia has time to do.. things? When we will waste out time on a unkillable rigger? Unless it's rumox and we see his auto day vest going off, but then will Efe have the presence of mind to shoot him or will he random shoot?[/QUOTE]

we are going to be lynching prime MAFIA targets - not rigger. I just want to switch the discussion to the rigger while we go after the Mafia targets. of course we will still be discussing the mafia, but i think it is time we start addressing the rigger as well. before i wasnt because mafia with 3 votes and 3 unknown roles it was imperative to drop their numbers before addressing the rigger (in my opinion).

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

And meanwhile last mafia has time to do.. things? When we will waste out time on a unkillable rigger? Unless it's rumox and we see his auto day vest going off, but then will Efe have the presence of mind to shoot him or will he random shoot?

we are going to be lynching prime MAFIA targets - not rigger. I just want to switch the discussion to the rigger while we go after the Mafia targets. of course we will still be discussing the mafia, but i think it is time we start addressing the rigger as well. before i wasnt because mafia with 3 votes and 3 unknown roles it was imperative to drop their numbers before addressing the rigger (in my opinion).

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;723504]Have You Ever Thought Ta Think The Rigger Could Be Pro Town?[/QUOTE]

aye, that is why fielz and blink are still in question and i mentioned the possibilities of you and numbertwo being scum - honestly a slim chance i think but still, it exists so it should be addressed.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Have You Ever Thought Ta Think The Rigger Could Be Pro Town?

aye, that is why fielz and blink are still in question and i mentioned the possibilities of you and numbertwo being scum - honestly a slim chance i think but still, it exists so it should be addressed.

[QUOTE=Distorted;723502]because Rigger I feel is more of a threat than Mafia at this point. If he is hoarding items or w/e it will take 2 days to kill him. if he has 2 guns or gives himself some guns or ppl hand him guns he can be invulnerable for multiple days/nights while killing people.

Mafia I feel we will find in the process anyways, I mean rumox wasnt voting MM either - so he is a top mafia read right now. But also, he could be neutral. So I feel keeping the discussion about the rigger while lynching all susp claims now would give the best info.

TL:DR I dont see mafia as much of a threat anymore.[/QUOTE]

if we can get rigger to either use his auto night vest or auto day vest, he will then have to waste time giving himself vests or risk dying.

Originally Posted by Distorted

because Rigger I feel is more of a threat than Mafia at this point. If he is hoarding items or w/e it will take 2 days to kill him. if he has 2 guns or gives himself some guns or ppl hand him guns he can be invulnerable for multiple days/nights while killing people.

Mafia I feel we will find in the process anyways, I mean rumox wasnt voting MM either - so he is a top mafia read right now. But also, he could be neutral. So I feel keeping the discussion about the rigger while lynching all susp claims now would give the best info.

TLR I dont see mafia as much of a threat anymore.

if we can get rigger to either use his auto night vest or auto day vest, he will then have to waste time giving himself vests or risk dying.

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723501]Why are you chasing Rigger instead of mafia by the way?[/QUOTE]

because Rigger I feel is more of a threat than Mafia at this point. If he is hoarding items or w/e it will take 2 days to kill him. if he has 2 guns or gives himself some guns or ppl hand him guns he can be invulnerable for multiple days/nights while killing people.

Mafia I feel we will find in the process anyways, I mean rumox wasnt voting MM either - so he is a top mafia read right now. But also, he could be neutral. So I feel keeping the discussion about the rigger while lynching all susp claims now would give the best info.

TL:DR I dont see mafia as much of a threat anymore.

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

Why are you chasing Rigger instead of mafia by the way?

because Rigger I feel is more of a threat than Mafia at this point. If he is hoarding items or w/e it will take 2 days to kill him. if he has 2 guns or gives himself some guns or ppl hand him guns he can be invulnerable for multiple days/nights while killing people.

Mafia I feel we will find in the process anyways, I mean rumox wasnt voting MM either - so he is a top mafia read right now. But also, he could be neutral. So I feel keeping the discussion about the rigger while lynching all susp claims now would give the best info.

TLR I dont see mafia as much of a threat anymore.

I'll most likely be putting my vote on rumox - but would rather give it 24 hours of time to give everyone a chance to check in and confirm items.

I'll most likely be putting my vote on rumox - but would rather give it 24 hours of time to give everyone a chance to check in and confirm items.

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723492]Counterfeiter is a possible role but it doesnt match number of items received unless rigger gave himself two items in two nights or unless Efekann didn't shoot[/QUOTE]

well magoroth confirmed I am 100% gunsmith. My gun worked, he shot naz with it so that is confirmed.

SCV could ONLY be another blacksmith if he is mafia - since his guns work. But honestly, when the attention started going to MM he started considering the option of 2 gunsmiths, and did not help keep attention OFF of MM. I think he was curious to see the results, I do not put SCV as Mafia or Rigger.

Yagami was confirmed by NumberTwo. The ONLY scenario that yagami is counterfeiter is if NumberTwo is Rigger and didn't really check the item. or maybe vice versa, i dunno but the only scenario is if they are both scum, not just 1 of them. So if Either numbertwo or yagami is town, the other is town.

-Efekannn shot some1 so he is not rigger.
-Fielz I do not see as Mafia, unless he was attempting to put fake pressure on MM and it backfired =P that is possible.
-Blink I am trusting he is not Mafia I didnt pressure him on rigger (wanted to get mafia down so town controls votes)
-Rumox has been slowly fading as the game progresses, possibly due to so much reading and not keeping up - or getting kind
of backed into a corner.
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Originally Posted by Fielzanks

Counterfeiter is a possible role but it doesnt match number of items received unless rigger gave himself two items in two nights or unless Efekann didn't shoot

well magoroth confirmed I am 100% gunsmith. My gun worked, he shot naz with it so that is confirmed.

SCV could ONLY be another blacksmith if he is mafia - since his guns work. But honestly, when the attention started going to MM he started considering the option of 2 gunsmiths, and did not help keep attention OFF of MM. I think he was curious to see the results, I do not put SCV as Mafia or Rigger.

Yagami was confirmed by NumberTwo. The ONLY scenario that yagami is counterfeiter is if NumberTwo is Rigger and didn't really check the item. or maybe vice versa, i dunno but the only scenario is if they are both scum, not just 1 of them. So if Either numbertwo or yagami is town, the other is town.

-Efekannn shot some1 so he is not rigger.
-Fielz I do not see as Mafia, unless he was attempting to put fake pressure on MM and it backfired =P that is possible.
-Blink I am trusting he is not Mafia I didnt pressure him on rigger (wanted to get mafia down so town controls votes)
-Rumox has been slowly fading as the game progresses, possibly due to so much reading and not keeping up - or getting kind
of backed into a corner.
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[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723489]So basically it's rumox or fielzanks rigger and efe/scv/blink possible mafia[/QUOTE]

honestly, yagami could be counterfeiter. No real way to test his night vests and know... so that is open - he has emphasized on the "quality" of his items a lot... So that is in my mind as well since he didnt vote MM.

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

So basically it's rumox or fielzanks rigger and efe/scv/blink possible mafia

honestly, yagami could be counterfeiter. No real way to test his night vests and know... so that is open - he has emphasized on the "quality" of his items a lot... So that is in my mind as well since he didnt vote MM.

Not Rigger:
-Distorted
-SCVMurderer (if efe confirms a second gun)
-Efekannn (if he confirms shooting some1)
-Yagami (since SCV and NumberTwo claim receiving a vest)

Possible Riggers:
-Blink
-Fiel
-NumberTwo
-Rumox

This is subject to change if mafia has a second blacksmith type role. or if blink passed his vest to me last night.

Not Rigger:
-Distorted
-SCVMurderer (if efe confirms a second gun)
-Efekannn (if he confirms shooting some1)
-Yagami (since SCV and NumberTwo claim receiving a vest)

Possible Riggers:
-Blink
-Fiel
-NumberTwo
-Rumox

This is subject to change if mafia has a second blacksmith type role. or if blink passed his vest to me last night.

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;723484]I think i will keep the real vest for myself[/QUOTE]

aye, vest every night =P

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

I think i will keep the real vest for myself

aye, vest every night =P

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;723482]And by that, it confirms Rigger cannot kill night 3 since both Blink and you have a 'mystery vest'[/QUOTE]

and also confirming that I am not rigger, and SCV is not rigger, and Yagami is not rigger. and actually, i think that confirms efekannn as not rigger because he shot some1 last night, didnt give an item.

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

And by that, it confirms Rigger cannot kill night 3 since both Blink and you have a 'mystery vest'

and also confirming that I am not rigger, and SCV is not rigger, and Yagami is not rigger. and actually, i think that confirms efekannn as not rigger because he shot some1 last night, didnt give an item.

but, that confirms I probably have a rigged vest =P lol

but, that confirms I probably have a rigged vest =P lol

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;723477]My role doesnt have the power to give vests[/QUOTE]

anyone can forfeit their night ability to give items to anyone. Since your ability is during the day, at night u can either use or give the items.

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

My role doesnt have the power to give vests

anyone can forfeit their night ability to give items to anyone. Since your ability is during the day, at night u can either use or give the items.

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;723473]Yo. My role is Authenticater. I recieved a vest night 1 and i checked it now and found out that it is real![/QUOTE]

ok so you didnt give me a vest last night? [MENTION=5232]Numbertwo[/MENTION]

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

Yo. My role is Authenticater. I recieved a vest night 1 and i checked it now and found out that it is real!

ok so you didnt give me a vest last night? @Numbertwo

[QUOTE=Scvmurderer;723464]No1 is more towny then efe, why do you question this?[/QUOTE]

because im trying to see your reasoning for it, if anything i see him trolling much differently than he usually does...making me think his play is different.

Originally Posted by Scvmurderer

No1 is more towny then efe, why do you question this?

because im trying to see your reasoning for it, if anything i see him trolling much differently than he usually does...making me think his play is different.