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[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;809096]You’re a furry?[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty furry.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

You’re a furry?

I'm pretty furry.

im not an animal :/

im not an animal :/

We're arguing about whether we should be worried about a connection to bestiality, and associated questions.

We're arguing about whether we should be worried about a connection to bestiality, and associated questions.

[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;809014]Anyone who pretends that being a furry is anything other than sexual is deluding themselves. Look at this recent study, which looks at habits among the furry community. Hot take: 99% of male furries have some amount of sexual motivation for being a furry: [url]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1303-7[/url][/QUOTE]

I've been reading every post. Literally noone was disputing this. Your hot take is as lukewarm as it gets bro XDDD

Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

Anyone who pretends that being a furry is anything other than sexual is deluding themselves. Look at this recent study, which looks at habits among the furry community. Hot take: 99% of male furries have some amount of sexual motivation for being a furry: https://link.springer.com/article/10...508-018-1303-7

I've been reading every post. Literally noone was disputing this. Your hot take is as lukewarm as it gets bro XDDD

We're basically at a total impasse because we have no way of collecting statistics about the sexual assault of animals. Anyway, though I think it's reasonable to have a concern, people seem to be going a step further and assuming there is a correlation without evidence. Thus far, even out of the anecdotal evidence, someone has found a weirdo who likes to post unnerving tweets about poop... Which had nothing to do with the bestiality point?

How about we practice a little more "innocent until proven guilty"???

We're basically at a total impasse because we have no way of collecting statistics about the sexual assault of animals. Anyway, though I think it's reasonable to have a concern, people seem to be going a step further and assuming there is a correlation without evidence. Thus far, even out of the anecdotal evidence, someone has found a weirdo who likes to post unnerving tweets about poop... Which had nothing to do with the bestiality point?

How about we practice a little more "innocent until proven guilty"???

[QUOTE=Ganelon;808842]Idk. Interesting topic. Wikipedia says that for male furries, 50.9% of the furry art they browse is pornographic in nature. Non-heterosexual sexual orientations are also overrepresented in furry circles. That implies that it does have something to do with sex.[/QUOTE]

...I don't think anyone was disputing that point xD

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Idk. Interesting topic. Wikipedia says that for male furries, 50.9% of the furry art they browse is pornographic in nature. Non-heterosexual sexual orientations are also overrepresented in furry circles. That implies that it does have something to do with sex.

...I don't think anyone was disputing that point xD

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808797]Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.[/QUOTE]

Tbf the more I hear about your therapy the more it doesn't sound so bad lol.

I just think it sounds like... half of society would get as much out of it LOL

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.

Tbf the more I hear about your therapy the more it doesn't sound so bad lol.

I just think it sounds like... half of society would get as much out of it LOL

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808793]I said talking to a therapist.
so, typical therapist things. someone for you to get everything off your chest and give you coping mechanisms for your day to day life.[/QUOTE]

That's fair. I don't know if that'd change their sexuality, but it was very uncharitable of me to start imagining aversion therapy. Soz lol

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808795]You think so?
I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.[/QUOTE]

My experience is limited, but that doesn't really reflect a lot of what I've seen lol.

Again, I guess it's about how you rationalize the fetish.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

I said talking to a therapist.
so, typical therapist things. someone for you to get everything off your chest and give you coping mechanisms for your day to day life.

That's fair. I don't know if that'd change their sexuality, but it was very uncharitable of me to start imagining aversion therapy. Soz lol

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

You think so?
I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.

My experience is limited, but that doesn't really reflect a lot of what I've seen lol.

Again, I guess it's about how you rationalize the fetish.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808792]idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.[/QUOTE]

If they wanna be treated subhuman because they feel worthless, that doesn't sound so great, I agree. It's probably not responsible to just say to people "your desires are good and you should fully embrace them" because sometimes their natural state may be bad for them.

However, there's a degree of moral ambiguity here regarding the "be bad for them" thing. Maybe they find their lives to be fulfilling in spite of what we believe. Maybe this is the way they were meant to be, and they're getting a kind of catharsis out of addressing their insecurities like that.

A lot of bdsm fetishes seem rooted in some kind of insecurity from both sides and perhaps some lack of self validation. That doesn't make it wrong. In fact, they may learn about themselves by exploring that.

That said, I don't think it's responsible to just say "it is what it is we should let people find fulfillment however they see fit". I wouldn't shrug at a heroin addict who said "fuck you I think this is fulfilling".

Idk, sorry if the flipflopping is frustrating. I just think this is genuinely a grey area XD.

At the end of the day, we don't even have enough facilities to help all the people who are actually fucking asking for our help with their mental health. Maybe we should work on them before we consider the people who "need our help but don't realize it yet".

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.

If they wanna be treated subhuman because they feel worthless, that doesn't sound so great, I agree. It's probably not responsible to just say to people "your desires are good and you should fully embrace them" because sometimes their natural state may be bad for them.

However, there's a degree of moral ambiguity here regarding the "be bad for them" thing. Maybe they find their lives to be fulfilling in spite of what we believe. Maybe this is the way they were meant to be, and they're getting a kind of catharsis out of addressing their insecurities like that.

A lot of bdsm fetishes seem rooted in some kind of insecurity from both sides and perhaps some lack of self validation. That doesn't make it wrong. In fact, they may learn about themselves by exploring that.

That said, I don't think it's responsible to just say "it is what it is we should let people find fulfillment however they see fit". I wouldn't shrug at a heroin addict who said "fuck you I think this is fulfilling".

Idk, sorry if the flipflopping is frustrating. I just think this is genuinely a grey area XD.

At the end of the day, we don't even have enough facilities to help all the people who are actually fucking asking for our help with their mental health. Maybe we should work on them before we consider the people who "need our help but don't realize it yet".

tbh I'm also a little curious about what this "therapy" would involve. People can't really unattract themselves from things. I hope you don't have some creepy aversion therapy in mind lol.

p;edit surely the best you can do is equip them with the moral tools to understand what is and isn't bad, regardless of their instincts... idk

tbh I'm also a little curious about what this "therapy" would involve. People can't really unattract themselves from things. I hope you don't have some creepy aversion therapy in mind lol.

p;edit surely the best you can do is equip them with the moral tools to understand what is and isn't bad, regardless of their instincts... idk

[QUOTE=Kenny;808783]Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.[/QUOTE]

I can see why you'd have that sort of reaction to Crypt, but I don't think his intention is to shame people or anything.

I think he is (justifiably) concerned about whether furry culture is indicative of beastiality. Maybe it is. Hell, maybe the uniform thing is indicative of my latent raging paedophillia. If that's reality, so be it. We can still have a civil conversation about it and try our best to understand eachother and ourselves and work out our problems.

We can overcome this! :D

Originally Posted by Kenny

Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.

I can see why you'd have that sort of reaction to Crypt, but I don't think his intention is to shame people or anything.

I think he is (justifiably) concerned about whether furry culture is indicative of beastiality. Maybe it is. Hell, maybe the uniform thing is indicative of my latent raging paedophillia. If that's reality, so be it. We can still have a civil conversation about it and try our best to understand eachother and ourselves and work out our problems.

We can overcome this!

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808782]Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?[/QUOTE]

I'll answer you completely candidly. If it's tmi that's on you XP.

Like most guys, I definitely think there's something cute about a scantily clad girl wearing bunny ears or what have you. I find furry porn gross, but tbh I don't really like porn in general (total wierdo I know).

I can sort of see an appeal in the anthropomorphized, beautified cartoon animal girl. I would definitely describe Holo from the anime "Spice and Wolf" as attractive. It's not something I'm super big on, though.

I genuinely did find the bunny girl from space jam hot when I was a horny teen, but that mighta just been because I was horny.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?

I'll answer you completely candidly. If it's tmi that's on you XP.

Like most guys, I definitely think there's something cute about a scantily clad girl wearing bunny ears or what have you. I find furry porn gross, but tbh I don't really like porn in general (total wierdo I know).

I can sort of see an appeal in the anthropomorphized, beautified cartoon animal girl. I would definitely describe Holo from the anime "Spice and Wolf" as attractive. It's not something I'm super big on, though.

I genuinely did find the bunny girl from space jam hot when I was a horny teen, but that mighta just been because I was horny.

[QUOTE=yzb25;808780]You're being at least 40% serious here so I'm gonna be at least 40% serious here.

I don't think wanting to fuck a human dressed up like a cartoon animal is in any way a "red flag".

It's very difficult to articulate, but I've come to babysit something of a pet theory that people build these... "aesthetics"... these abstract realities in their own mind that correlate to something in the real world without actually existing. Sometimes people find these "aesthetics" attractive without feeling any attraction to the real thing it's based off.

A good example is rape fantasies. Almost noone who has rape fantasies wants to be raped. In fact, it doesn't really make logical sense to *want* to be raped. That kind of destroys the point. Yet, people build in their minds some kind of "aesthetic" of this intense, adrenalin pumping scenario where they're put in a primal fight or flight situation where reason goes out the window and people are submitting to their wildest desires. This "aesthetic" is completely detatched from the actual experience of being raped, but people fantasize about it anyway.

Similarly to the rape situation, I would conjecture these people have constructed some kind of "aesthetic" as they've grown up. They find something warm, primal and genuine in the associations to animals and nature. They're also probably influenced by anthropomorphized characters they felt an attraction to when they were younger and their sexuality was still developing.

If bestiality was really what they were interested in, they'd show more interest in actual animals and less interest in the aesthetic. I don't think what they've developed is something they should be worried about or something they should even think is weird. If it brings them fulfillment then that's awesome and even beautiful, actually. There are people in this world that have developed sexualities that directly depend on the suffering of others or themselves. People like that are in a much more complicated situation imo.[/QUOTE]

I forgot to mention this in the original post but I think it's important - I think associating this with bestiality makes as much sense as associating wanting to bang a girl wearing school uniform wth wanting to bang a girl who goes to school. I personally think a girl in school uniform is hot as fuck, and on some subconscious level I'm probably associating it to aspects of the aesthetic of a school girl. But I fully reserve the ability to recognize that banging a real school girl would be an entirely different experience - one far more immoral and probably way less enjoyable.

Originally Posted by yzb25

You're being at least 40% serious here so I'm gonna be at least 40% serious here.

I don't think wanting to fuck a human dressed up like a cartoon animal is in any way a "red flag".

It's very difficult to articulate, but I've come to babysit something of a pet theory that people build these... "aesthetics"... these abstract realities in their own mind that correlate to something in the real world without actually existing. Sometimes people find these "aesthetics" attractive without feeling any attraction to the real thing it's based off.

A good example is rape fantasies. Almost noone who has rape fantasies wants to be raped. In fact, it doesn't really make logical sense to *want* to be raped. That kind of destroys the point. Yet, people build in their minds some kind of "aesthetic" of this intense, adrenalin pumping scenario where they're put in a primal fight or flight situation where reason goes out the window and people are submitting to their wildest desires. This "aesthetic" is completely detatched from the actual experience of being raped, but people fantasize about it anyway.

Similarly to the rape situation, I would conjecture these people have constructed some kind of "aesthetic" as they've grown up. They find something warm, primal and genuine in the associations to animals and nature. They're also probably influenced by anthropomorphized characters they felt an attraction to when they were younger and their sexuality was still developing.

If bestiality was really what they were interested in, they'd show more interest in actual animals and less interest in the aesthetic. I don't think what they've developed is something they should be worried about or something they should even think is weird. If it brings them fulfillment then that's awesome and even beautiful, actually. There are people in this world that have developed sexualities that directly depend on the suffering of others or themselves. People like that are in a much more complicated situation imo.

I forgot to mention this in the original post but I think it's important - I think associating this with bestiality makes as much sense as associating wanting to bang a girl wearing school uniform wth wanting to bang a girl who goes to school. I personally think a girl in school uniform is hot as fuck, and on some subconscious level I'm probably associating it to aspects of the aesthetic of a school girl. But I fully reserve the ability to recognize that banging a real school girl would be an entirely different experience - one far more immoral and probably way less enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808770]someone wanting to fuck an adult human that is made to resemble an animal is just as bad as someone wanting to fuck an adult human that is made to resemble a child. both are serious red flags, and one should talk to a therapist or join a support group.


however, i think it's fine if consenting adults are using it in a D/s relationship, meant to dehumanize the sub while reinforcing the Dom as the "owner"? I think it kind of makes sense.


i mean, dressing up like an animal it's not something i'm particularly interested in at all and it wouldn't be what i seek out, but if she's hot enough then i mean does it really matter?
like if i went over to a girls house the first time, and she comes into her living room wearing just cat ears & tail and crawling around meowing, scratching at the couch, and rubbing against my leg... yea i'd think she's fucking insane. but if she's of quality in other aspects of her life, then might as well roll with it.[/QUOTE]

You're being at least 40% serious here so I'm gonna be at least 40% serious here.

I don't think wanting to fuck a human dressed up like a cartoon animal is in any way a "red flag".

It's very difficult to articulate, but I've come to babysit something of a pet theory that people build these... "aesthetics"... these abstract realities in their own mind that correlate to something in the real world without actually existing. Sometimes people find these "aesthetics" attractive without feeling any attraction to the real thing it's based off.

A good example is rape fantasies. Almost noone who has rape fantasies wants to be raped. In fact, it doesn't really make logical sense to *want* to be raped. That kind of destroys the point. Yet, people build in their minds some kind of "aesthetic" of this intense, adrenalin pumping scenario where they're put in a primal fight or flight situation where reason goes out the window and people are submitting to their wildest desires. This "aesthetic" is completely detatched from the actual experience of being raped, but people fantasize about it anyway.

Similarly to the rape situation, I would conjecture these people have constructed some kind of "aesthetic" as they've grown up. They find something warm, primal and genuine in the associations to animals and nature. They're also probably influenced by anthropomorphized characters they felt an attraction to when they were younger and their sexuality was still developing.

If bestiality was really what they were interested in, they'd show more interest in actual animals and less interest in the aesthetic. I don't think what they've developed is something they should be worried about or something they should even think is weird. If it brings them fulfillment then that's awesome and even beautiful, actually. There are people in this world that have developed sexualities that directly depend on the suffering of others or themselves. People like that are in a much more complicated situation imo.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

someone wanting to fuck an adult human that is made to resemble an animal is just as bad as someone wanting to fuck an adult human that is made to resemble a child. both are serious red flags, and one should talk to a therapist or join a support group.


however, i think it's fine if consenting adults are using it in a D/s relationship, meant to dehumanize the sub while reinforcing the Dom as the "owner"? I think it kind of makes sense.


i mean, dressing up like an animal it's not something i'm particularly interested in at all and it wouldn't be what i seek out, but if she's hot enough then i mean does it really matter?
like if i went over to a girls house the first time, and she comes into her living room wearing just cat ears & tail and crawling around meowing, scratching at the couch, and rubbing against my leg... yea i'd think she's fucking insane. but if she's of quality in other aspects of her life, then might as well roll with it.

You're being at least 40% serious here so I'm gonna be at least 40% serious here.

I don't think wanting to fuck a human dressed up like a cartoon animal is in any way a "red flag".

It's very difficult to articulate, but I've come to babysit something of a pet theory that people build these... "aesthetics"... these abstract realities in their own mind that correlate to something in the real world without actually existing. Sometimes people find these "aesthetics" attractive without feeling any attraction to the real thing it's based off.

A good example is rape fantasies. Almost noone who has rape fantasies wants to be raped. In fact, it doesn't really make logical sense to *want* to be raped. That kind of destroys the point. Yet, people build in their minds some kind of "aesthetic" of this intense, adrenalin pumping scenario where they're put in a primal fight or flight situation where reason goes out the window and people are submitting to their wildest desires. This "aesthetic" is completely detatched from the actual experience of being raped, but people fantasize about it anyway.

Similarly to the rape situation, I would conjecture these people have constructed some kind of "aesthetic" as they've grown up. They find something warm, primal and genuine in the associations to animals and nature. They're also probably influenced by anthropomorphized characters they felt an attraction to when they were younger and their sexuality was still developing.

If bestiality was really what they were interested in, they'd show more interest in actual animals and less interest in the aesthetic. I don't think what they've developed is something they should be worried about or something they should even think is weird. If it brings them fulfillment then that's awesome and even beautiful, actually. There are people in this world that have developed sexualities that directly depend on the suffering of others or themselves. People like that are in a much more complicated situation imo.

I mean, they're just into the cartoon representations of animals, right? They're not actually into bestiality.

I totally get that. The bugs bunny girl from space jam is hot asf imo.

And even if they were, so what? It's not like that hamster can say no, right? Seems like fair game to me.

I mean, they're just into the cartoon representations of animals, right? They're not actually into bestiality.

I totally get that. The bugs bunny girl from space jam is hot asf imo.

And even if they were, so what? It's not like that hamster can say no, right? Seems like fair game to me.