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[QUOTE=Ganelon;808847]Why would a zoophile care about societal norms lol. Being a furry is already heavily straying from what most people would consider normal. I doubt being "openly furry" is easy, I would imagine many furries have a difficult time with social interaction.
Personally, I think that as long as "furryness" is not a pervasive aspect of someone's life (to the point where they would literally walk around dressed in a fursuit at home for example), it should still be considered as normal. It's only when people actually get into fursona and shit like that that it's actually scary from my point of view.[/QUOTE]I think it's a commonly known fact that there are much more zoophiles and pedophiles that remain passive, than there are active ones. The difference between the numbers there is not even remotely small, as such I definitely also do believe that one can expect a person with sexual interests straying from the norm to still care about societal values.

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Why would a zoophile care about societal norms lol. Being a furry is already heavily straying from what most people would consider normal. I doubt being "openly furry" is easy, I would imagine many furries have a difficult time with social interaction.
Personally, I think that as long as "furryness" is not a pervasive aspect of someone's life (to the point where they would literally walk around dressed in a fursuit at home for example), it should still be considered as normal. It's only when people actually get into fursona and shit like that that it's actually scary from my point of view.

I think it's a commonly known fact that there are much more zoophiles and pedophiles that remain passive, than there are active ones. The difference between the numbers there is not even remotely small, as such I definitely also do believe that one can expect a person with sexual interests straying from the norm to still care about societal values.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808841]Its called escalation. It always a concern with every urge and instinct, especially ones with regard to sexual desire.[/QUOTE]"Working up the courage" is not called "escalation". Those people who choose to live as furry as a means of circumventing taboos they do not want to break are only doing so because they are fully aware of what those taboos are about. Escalation however happens when you lose that awareness, or when you never had it to begin with and are trying new things. "Courage" does not make you lose that awareness. Courage would make them feel more comfortable with their interests, and further strengthen their self-esteem. For someone to start abandoning their values and to start breaking taboos they held onto before, the exact opposite of that would be needed.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Its called escalation. It always a concern with every urge and instinct, especially ones with regard to sexual desire.

"Working up the courage" is not called "escalation". Those people who choose to live as furry as a means of circumventing taboos they do not want to break are only doing so because they are fully aware of what those taboos are about. Escalation however happens when you lose that awareness, or when you never had it to begin with and are trying new things. "Courage" does not make you lose that awareness. Courage would make them feel more comfortable with their interests, and further strengthen their self-esteem. For someone to start abandoning their values and to start breaking taboos they held onto before, the exact opposite of that would be needed.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808834]I'm not against furries, though. It's not discrimination.
I'm just saying that people should look out for others in the community to ensure that the sex life stays healthy by offering support for each other.

Also, animal abuse for sure happens. It's just not reported because animals can't report it? People would definitely have sex with people in animal costumes or inanimate objects made to look like animals before working up the courage to actually fuck any animal.[/QUOTE]No, people do not "work up the courage to actually fuck any animal." The fact those few who choose furry costumes as a means of combatting their zoophilic desires shows that they do have common human morales and decency or whatever. You don't abandon your values "because you work up the courage".

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

I'm not against furries, though. It's not discrimination.
I'm just saying that people should look out for others in the community to ensure that the sex life stays healthy by offering support for each other.

Also, animal abuse for sure happens. It's just not reported because animals can't report it? People would definitely have sex with people in animal costumes or inanimate objects made to look like animals before working up the courage to actually fuck any animal.

No, people do not "work up the courage to actually fuck any animal." The fact those few who choose furry costumes as a means of combatting their zoophilic desires shows that they do have common human morales and decency or whatever. You don't abandon your values "because you work up the courage".

[QUOTE=Ash;808805]I don't think the lots of you understand that most furries have issues of some sort, thus resulting in their awkward and cringey appearances and behavior. According to the[URL="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furry_Survey"] Furry Survey[/URL], about 18% of zoophiles, and a decent number of furries have issues with identity.

A lot of them have some sort of mental problem, like this individual:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/KbEddu8.png?1[/IMG][/QUOTE]And you don't think those 18% of furries might have issues with identity because they get compared to mentally ill people like that? Seems pretty fucked up to me to say everyone with a certain fetish is mentally ill because one guy with problems happens to have that fetish.

Originally Posted by Ash

I don't think the lots of you understand that most furries have issues of some sort, thus resulting in their awkward and cringey appearances and behavior. According to the Furry Survey, about 18% of zoophiles, and a decent number of furries have issues with identity.

A lot of them have some sort of mental problem, like this individual:

And you don't think those 18% of furries might have issues with identity because they get compared to mentally ill people like that? Seems pretty fucked up to me to say everyone with a certain fetish is mentally ill because one guy with problems happens to have that fetish.

[QUOTE=Kenny;808802]When you start thinking about group sex of the kind you are suggesting, you need therapy. When you invite a friend to a party that is about abusing his fetishes you should better fucking feel bad. When you bring an actual wolf to a sex party you should go into jail. And most importantly when someone is forced to go through something he tried to cover up for, for a whole 7 years, he'd probably go through a shock that could be bad enough to result in him having suicide thoughts afterwards. Covering up for something does in no way ever imply actually wanting that.[/QUOTE]Therapy is also needed when your cover results in you hurting yourself. Don't get me wrong there.

Originally Posted by Kenny

When you start thinking about group sex of the kind you are suggesting, you need therapy. When you invite a friend to a party that is about abusing his fetishes you should better fucking feel bad. When you bring an actual wolf to a sex party you should go into jail. And most importantly when someone is forced to go through something he tried to cover up for, for a whole 7 years, he'd probably go through a shock that could be bad enough to result in him having suicide thoughts afterwards. Covering up for something does in no way ever imply actually wanting that.

Therapy is also needed when your cover results in you hurting yourself. Don't get me wrong there.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808797]Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.[/QUOTE]When you start thinking about group sex of the kind you are suggesting, you need therapy. When you invite a friend to a party that is about abusing his fetishes you should better fucking feel bad. When you bring an actual wolf to a sex party you should go into jail. And most importantly when someone is forced to go through something he tried to cover up for, for a whole 7 years, he'd probably go through a shock that could be bad enough to result in him having suicide thoughts afterwards. Covering up for something does in no way ever imply actually wanting that.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.

When you start thinking about group sex of the kind you are suggesting, you need therapy. When you invite a friend to a party that is about abusing his fetishes you should better fucking feel bad. When you bring an actual wolf to a sex party you should go into jail. And most importantly when someone is forced to go through something he tried to cover up for, for a whole 7 years, he'd probably go through a shock that could be bad enough to result in him having suicide thoughts afterwards. Covering up for something does in no way ever imply actually wanting that.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808795]You think so?
I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.[/QUOTE]Adding a fursuit to the D/s situation you mentioned doesn't make it subhuman. For that to happen you'd need completely different factors that could be just as easily be added without a fursuit.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

You think so?
I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.

Adding a fursuit to the D/s situation you mentioned doesn't make it subhuman. For that to happen you'd need completely different factors that could be just as easily be added without a fursuit.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808792]idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.[/QUOTE]That'd apply to pretty much every D/s situation and isn't really related to furries at all.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.

That'd apply to pretty much every D/s situation and isn't really related to furries at all.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808786]Where do you draw the line?
If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?[/QUOTE]I'd get worried if someone were to start getting close to actual children with sexual interests. If someone were to start conducting sexual experiments on actual animals. Then I'd want them to go through therapy, then they'd have some actual red flags I agree on.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Where do you draw the line?
If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?

I'd get worried if someone were to start getting close to actual children with sexual interests. If someone were to start conducting sexual experiments on actual animals. Then I'd want them to go through therapy, then they'd have some actual red flags I agree on.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808786]Where do you draw the line?
If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?[/QUOTE]I'd never want anyone to get "support and help" if what they are doing is perfectly legal and harmless.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Where do you draw the line?
If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?

I'd never want anyone to get "support and help" if what they are doing is perfectly legal and harmless.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808784]What does that have to do with what I said lol?
I specifically mention animals, and you're comparing them to jews & black people? gtfo man lol[/QUOTE]Furries like people in fur suits. Or drawings of human-like figures with fur. You can't just put them all in one pile and say they'd fuck an actual animal too. That's pretty much comparable to saying ppl who play any game related to murder would commit that stuff in reality as well.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

What does that have to do with what I said lol?
I specifically mention animals, and you're comparing them to jews & black people? gtfo man lol

Furries like people in fur suits. Or drawings of human-like figures with fur. You can't just put them all in one pile and say they'd fuck an actual animal too. That's pretty much comparable to saying ppl who play any game related to murder would commit that stuff in reality as well.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;808782]Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?[/QUOTE]Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?

Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.

[QUOTE=Omegasaur;807523]1. Furries are people who are romantically/sexually interested in animals.
2. Biologically, humans are animals.
3. Most humans are romantically/sexually interested in other humans.
4. Most humans are furries.[/QUOTE]No, furries like fur.

Originally Posted by Omegasaur

1. Furries are people who are romantically/sexually interested in animals.
2. Biologically, humans are animals.
3. Most humans are romantically/sexually interested in other humans.
4. Most humans are furries.

No, furries like fur.

[QUOTE=Helz;807188]I dont judge things I dont understand and when I want to insult someone I own it.

Thread moved to CJ[/QUOTE]Agreed, furries make no sense.

Originally Posted by Helz

I dont judge things I dont understand and when I want to insult someone I own it.

Thread moved to CJ

Agreed, furries make no sense.