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    [WIP] Re: S-FM Discard Intermediate Mafia

    That's the point; the town knows what they have to worry about and what they don't have to worry about.
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    [WIP] Re: S-FM Discard Intermediate Mafia

    I don't think that last bit about non-citizen roles appearing once is really that necessary. If the town adapts their play style into the maf/NK thinking that they are something else, the town could...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Yeah, I looked at your cause against stealth and immediately smelled rotten fish with how it was set up. When stealth arranged his case against me, it was just the coincidences that all lined up on...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    All good, that was a fun game.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I didn't, I was trying to get coherent theories together that I couldn't prove but could 100% read as correct.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    See? I called it, but gg pringles, you fooled us for a hell of a long time
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    You mentioned it knowing in the future that MM would die so you could prove yourself and make a stronger defense in the long run.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I don't say everything I think.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    If I were scum I would have continued sheeping you until the end, the solo scum currently probably doesn't care who dies at all at this point.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    He wouldn't which is why you weren't rushed to change to his side.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I think Frinkles has legitimately fooled you like he fooled me for 90% of this game. His scum play by igniting MM scum painted me to the extreme for you, while also protecting himself.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Eh? I've played with Kovath before too y'know
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    To make it seem organic, he never laid a vote down, so there was no reason to rush.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    No, I would have re read and said the same thing that I've said just now.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Not that it mattered anyways, I'll re read my points, whoever the arsonist is out of you two (leaning towards Frinkles) had this lay out in your hand for you.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I didn't even touch on this gem right here. What you're saying is you still think Stealth is arsonist, but now you are starting to change your mind to agree to get a lynch off?
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    It's just a massive pain in the rear how Toad was just mass gaslighting and not claiming and Caustic speaking in riddles again.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    He did, he provided a detailed analysis as soon as he became active about what he thought.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I started scumreading you after Stealth started making himself noticed. Stealth immediately gave off town vibes with how his arguments were made, for example.



    Who makes stuff like that up as...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I've looked at this game from both points of view. What would I do if I was scum in this game? And what would I do as my current role this game. It made sense that an arsonist could potentially douse...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    It is fair, but you haven't developed a strong enough argument to where I feel is justified to change your read.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Why would he douse multiple targets? He didn't want anyone to be 100% confirmed as town seeing as there is only one scum. Two doused is two nights for a douse checker to confirm someone.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Diverging off of this post for a moment, take a look at this Stealth. Immediately after I was called out by you with your points, Frinkles hops on the train without second thought. That by itself is...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    And it could also mean that I have to examine both of my reads, like I did for a fair while last night. You're trying to pick out tiny threads and very loose things and weave them into a conspiracy...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    He did, but if you killed let's say me or stealth instead of him, he would've been able to trace it back to you like I did. Marsh is a massive threat on either side, especially to a solo scum, I'm...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I was putting pressure on the slot so that he would wake up, I had no hard intentions to lynch stealth there, or you; I just wanted to hear from both sides instead of just one.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I believe frinkles would have ignited because of how good Marsh is at sniffing people out. I'm newer to FM than he is by a massive longshot, so it would be easier to argue with me than argue with...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I tried to do it as a townie who had no hard leads like I typically would, and Toad was the largest scumread of the day.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    You don't seem to understand the trend here; I think I've been pocketed by arso this entire time.



    Painting me as town in his books, which at the time made sense, he was up until two days ago...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    The problem is I'm not solo scum, I actually didn't even think about what you've said until now then thought "Wow, that would be really smart" because now I'm scumpainted. It's for that reason I...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I pushed Toad because he was acting like a massive scummy, both of you saw that too.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Oh, I misread what was said in that quote, my b that's actually pretty good
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Well that's great.... Totally.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I'm supposing you killed him not because he townread you to "protect" you, but because you know he'd sniff you out before anyone else.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    You know, the more and more I read this the more I think Frinkles is our arso...



    This plan was never specified to the rest of us, I'm starting to think it may actually be you all along,...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Not really, I was leaning to scumreading Frinkles for a fair chunk in the previous two or so days, I was actually sort of hoping that it would be Marshmallow alive instead of one of you, because now...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    It could be me, but why would I? Sorry my guys, i'm just catching up right now.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I agree, I hate having to get this far into the details to narrow down my scum reads (especially knowing that there's one scum, and i have two reads)
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Now, i'm not here to start a thunderdome

    But make up your mind with who you think is arsonist, you've bounced twice today already.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    unvote

    I'm going to watch this and see how it goes for a little bit.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I completely agree with you, now that Toad managed to basically screw us by not claiming his role, we have to target the coaster. An AFK in this save can't be ignored like other saves
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    What evidence do you have for this? Every vote this game you have given has not had a reason, so give us a reason.
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    [Role Change] Re: Added Option: Consig Read PMs

    True, which is why you should add it in anyways, cause right now it's mostly about how smart or dumb your maf are by themselves.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    So because I deducted that a good guy was a bad guy and him never confirming he was douse checker I was the bad guy? That sounds like some grade A deductive reasoning there.
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    [Role Change] Re: Added Option: Consig Read PMs

    A half decent maf team doesn't need that much communication so long as the town isn't amazing. One or two good people can really set it up for you most of the time (please add more communication ways...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    Well, since this is basically dead at this point, is it safe to assume we're either lynching SB16 or Toad?
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    Re: Gaslighting

    I agree, it is a reason why some of the high point players on the mod are able to influence the game in conversation, because they use stuff like this. This could work in FM as well, as I said...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    I missed this, my bad. The douse checker would have had to reveal and confirm him as town, there would not be an event for that I don't think.
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    The anger is the problem, I honestly just wanted to give a push on Toad just to see his reaction until he started absolutely viciously defending himself, more than any normal townie I've ever seen...
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    Re: S-FM 296 Simple Arsonist II

    This is misrepresenting my argument even after I clarified what I meant. My meaning of that was to let the town know that there is very much an active threat, and by not lynching he ignited to worry...
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