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[QUOTE=Fury;688740]

Consider this scenario:
I propose integers (randomly generated) and do not follow them ([B]much like day 2[/B]). Maybe I lynch 1 or 2 off of that list, but only 1-2. Not 4. Is this report the same in this case? I think it's clear I didn't go purely off the list because my own number was on the list [COLOR="#00FF00"]and didn't request myself to be lynched[/COLOR].

[COLOR="#00FF00"][B]If it is the same report, then why?[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
That's quite an irrelevant scenario.

[QUOTE]From day 2's pattern, I think it's clear that I was not trying to grief. [/QUOTE]
It's not. If it was, there wouldn't be reports.
[QUOTE]I was trying to scum hunt (although it was done rather poorly day 2).[/QUOTE]
It was indeed.
[QUOTE] I used the random integers to give me people to pressure.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter if it's RNG or you "randoming" people.

[QUOTE]Would it be the same case because it is perceived to be random, despite my claim that it was not [/QUOTE]
You claiming your picks weren't random is silly.
[QUOTE]and, yet again, despite the fact that voting patterns can prove to be invaluable to find mafia?[/QUOTE]
They can, but they don't justify 4 random lynches on day 1.
[QUOTE]The voting patterns generated from those lynches would be quite valuable to determine mafia, as is common play for any skilled player. [/QUOTE]
Hell, if they're that "invaluable", you should have voted inno and gotten more people on trial to get more "voting patterns", not guilty everyone that was on the "list".

[QUOTE]I can guarantee that no one could watch that day 1 (in which the alleged griefing occurred) and say that those 4 lynch victims were definitively town. And, need I remind you, that they were evil - as predicted. [/QUOTE]
Could you ever watch a day 1 and guarantee anyone is definetely town beside a revealing town gov? There is no argument here.


[QUOTE]Indeed, I pulled guesses from the list, but I lynched them definitively because I thought they were scum. This is the key point. [/QUOTE]
Nobody is going to judge you based on what you've thought, usually this is done based on what you've done.

[QUOTE]Look past the facade which is in the name, and ask yourselves: Was this report biased due to the fact that it was day 1 voting? If so, then why is day 1 voting in the game? It is a critical function in longer forms of mafia (e.g. Forum Mafia).
Or, was this report biased due to the fact that I randomly voted day 1? Which, again I must emphasize, I only voted them because I did not find their words to be townie.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you mean by "biased report". My report was created because I was angry at your whole plan to have marshall and reveal on day 1 and lynch 4 random players on day 1. This was very obviously a plan designed to piss people off. It worked and pissed me off enough to post here. If you will now claim that this was not planned, then I'll let the moderation staff make an objective decision.
The fact that you planned it for reasons related to "proving a point about d1 voting" litteraly means that you knew beforehand that what you were going to do is [QUOTE] bad for the game [/QUOTE]

I hope this clears any doubt that could have arisen from your confusing post. I like your use of colors though, it looks cute.


PS: I thought I had read that people who submitted the report were allowed to post in this thread. I'm very sorry if I misunderstood that.

Originally Posted by Fury

Consider this scenario:
I propose integers (randomly generated) and do not follow them (much like day 2). Maybe I lynch 1 or 2 off of that list, but only 1-2. Not 4. Is this report the same in this case? I think it's clear I didn't go purely off the list because my own number was on the list and didn't request myself to be lynched.

If it is the same report, then why?

That's quite an irrelevant scenario.

From day 2's pattern, I think it's clear that I was not trying to grief.

It's not. If it was, there wouldn't be reports.

I was trying to scum hunt (although it was done rather poorly day 2).

It was indeed.

I used the random integers to give me people to pressure.

Doesn't matter if it's RNG or you "randoming" people.

Would it be the same case because it is perceived to be random, despite my claim that it was not

You claiming your picks weren't random is silly.

and, yet again, despite the fact that voting patterns can prove to be invaluable to find mafia?

They can, but they don't justify 4 random lynches on day 1.

The voting patterns generated from those lynches would be quite valuable to determine mafia, as is common play for any skilled player.

Hell, if they're that "invaluable", you should have voted inno and gotten more people on trial to get more "voting patterns", not guilty everyone that was on the "list".

I can guarantee that no one could watch that day 1 (in which the alleged griefing occurred) and say that those 4 lynch victims were definitively town. And, need I remind you, that they were evil - as predicted.

Could you ever watch a day 1 and guarantee anyone is definetely town beside a revealing town gov? There is no argument here.

Indeed, I pulled guesses from the list, but I lynched them definitively because I thought they were scum. This is the key point.

Nobody is going to judge you based on what you've thought, usually this is done based on what you've done.

Look past the facade which is in the name, and ask yourselves: Was this report biased due to the fact that it was day 1 voting? If so, then why is day 1 voting in the game? It is a critical function in longer forms of mafia (e.g. Forum Mafia).
Or, was this report biased due to the fact that I randomly voted day 1? Which, again I must emphasize, I only voted them because I did not find their words to be townie.

I don't know what you mean by "biased report". My report was created because I was angry at your whole plan to have marshall and reveal on day 1 and lynch 4 random players on day 1. This was very obviously a plan designed to piss people off. It worked and pissed me off enough to post here. If you will now claim that this was not planned, then I'll let the moderation staff make an objective decision.
The fact that you planned it for reasons related to "proving a point about d1 voting" litteraly means that you knew beforehand that what you were going to do is

bad for the game

I hope this clears any doubt that could have arisen from your confusing post. I like your use of colors though, it looks cute.


PS: I thought I had read that people who submitted the report were allowed to post in this thread. I'm very sorry if I misunderstood that.

Account Name: Floodingrain
Account ID: 1-S2-1-2441688
In-Game Name: [url]www.random.org/integers/Marshal_DAY1[/url]

Crimes Committed: Griefing hard. Might be considered as gamethrowing? Maybe some cheating involved too?

Your Account Name: Olegsander
Summary: I don't even know how to describe this. It's just ruining games for the sole purpose of ruining games. I don't even want to comment on the 4 (FOUR) lynches on day 1, with 0 townies among them. I mean, ok, maybe it was just luck, that *could* have happened. Gotta admit it seems very unlikely, but not impossible.
However, I cannot believe this was not made in an attempt to make the game as unfun as possible for every other player.
I was in the sc2maf clan at that moment. Imagine my surprise at the end of the game, when I saw that this was done by an "officer" of said clan. After confirming with another "officer" who was in that game (twentytwo) that this behavior is "normal" to him, I immediately left the clan. I don't ever want to be associated with this.

Account Name: Floodingrain
Account ID: 1-S2-1-2441688
In-Game Name: www.random.org/integers/Marshal_DAY1

Crimes Committed: Griefing hard. Might be considered as gamethrowing? Maybe some cheating involved too?

Your Account Name: Olegsander
Summary: I don't even know how to describe this. It's just ruining games for the sole purpose of ruining games. I don't even want to comment on the 4 (FOUR) lynches on day 1, with 0 townies among them. I mean, ok, maybe it was just luck, that *could* have happened. Gotta admit it seems very unlikely, but not impossible.
However, I cannot believe this was not made in an attempt to make the game as unfun as possible for every other player.
I was in the sc2maf clan at that moment. Imagine my surprise at the end of the game, when I saw that this was done by an "officer" of said clan. After confirming with another "officer" who was in that game (twentytwo) that this behavior is "normal" to him, I immediately left the clan. I don't ever want to be associated with this.

It's not going to be easy to find someone with a replay of me, I think. There are players that I see in my games regularily, but I play solo, I dont see how I could ask them for a replay :/

I've formatted without even thinking about mafia, in my mind it was all saved up remotely, not locally.
Just in case - I started playing mafia like 1-2 years ago, and had a long break, so I'm not even sure what battle.net name i used the first time i tried mafia. Can this be why you don't have anything on your side? If so, maybe I can provide one or two possibilities of names i usually use...

edit: I had a somewhat long break when necroplant was creating loads of accounts and ruining games every night, inviting AFK people in lobby, and doing the good ol' "I'm GF 5 is beguiler 13 is janitor" spam into choo-choo.
Was like 6 monthes ago or so.

I will try to find someone I played with at that time. Is that the only solution we have left?

It's not going to be easy to find someone with a replay of me, I think. There are players that I see in my games regularily, but I play solo, I dont see how I could ask them for a replay :/

I've formatted without even thinking about mafia, in my mind it was all saved up remotely, not locally.
Just in case - I started playing mafia like 1-2 years ago, and had a long break, so I'm not even sure what battle.net name i used the first time i tried mafia. Can this be why you don't have anything on your side? If so, maybe I can provide one or two possibilities of names i usually use...

edit: I had a somewhat long break when necroplant was creating loads of accounts and ruining games every night, inviting AFK people in lobby, and doing the good ol' "I'm GF 5 is beguiler 13 is janitor" spam into choo-choo.
Was like 6 monthes ago or so.

I will try to find someone I played with at that time. Is that the only solution we have left?

Hey, just for my information, is this usually a long process?

Hey, just for my information, is this usually a long process?

Account Name: Olegsander
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5938340
Your Realm: Americas; also had one on europe, but meh, not much activity there anyway
Approximate Points: probably just under 10k

I don't think I can provide you with a replay, or if I can, I don't know how :/

Please lemme know if you can work this out!

Account Name: Olegsander
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5938340
Your Realm: Americas; also had one on europe, but meh, not much activity there anyway
Approximate Points: probably just under 10k

I don't think I can provide you with a replay, or if I can, I don't know how :/

Please lemme know if you can work this out!