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    ►►Re: ness: 1-S2-1-1092637◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    @Ness , please let us know if you are still interested in having this point restore to your bank. If we do not hear from you by February 15, we will need to archive this thread and you will need to start the process over from scratch with a new thread.
    In light of the February 15 deadline having passed without any response, I am going to move this thread to the archive. @Ness , to the extent you wish to pursue this restore further, please start a new thread.
  2. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:You: 1-S2-1-1494448

    Thread Author:LibertyPrime

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    {Watch List} ►►Re: You 1-S2-1-1494448◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by mafiaplayer123 View Post
    This warning should be removed for me. I got lucky that day in that save I chose the correct people but I don't hack, and I believe hacking in this game ruins what the game is all about.
    Merged this post by @mafiaplayer123 to the report thread where he received the Watch List warning.
  3. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139

    Thread Author:Exeter350

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139◄◄

    TLDR: No screenshots / streams to prove your innocence or role, even if they're faked -- that's external information, which is not allowed.
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139, ColonelCat - 1-S2-1-3088736◄◄

    TLDR: You're not allowed to disclose any information about the game in lag chat, regardless of whether that information is true or not.
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139, ColonelCat - 1-S2-1-3088736◄◄

    @Jarma , the lag cheating rule reads as follows:

    Crime: Lag Cheating
    Lag cheating is when someone shares in-game information over lag chat. It does not matter if the information is true.
    Example: Saying "12 is Gf" in lag chat.
    Type: Situational

    As stated above, it doesn't really matter if the information is true. The point of the rule is that it's not fair for players to be influencing the game anonymously and in your case, while they are dead especially given they might have access to information being discussed in dead chat. The fact that the Town pursued your lynch suggestion of #15 after you suggested that in lag chat also doesn't help your case -- i.e. you were dead and should not have been influencing the game whatsoever. When you die in the game, you can't say anything else to the other players who are alive.

    In addition, your second suggestion of #3 seemed to be an educated guess of yours of who was Triad in this game -- you even wrote "3 is the last tria[d]". Sure, it wasn't in fact right, but again, that's not the point -- you shouldn't be trying to influence how players vote through lag chat. It's not fair to anyone in the game and given #3 left the game subsequently, it very well might have had an influence on the outcome. Once you die, you're a spectator free to discuss with the other dead players in dead chat, but it should be up to those alive and only them to determine the outcome of the game.

    While we appreciate you writing in to provide us with your side of the story, the excerpted chat logs above are very clear, and you yourself admit to making comments about the game while dead and in lag chat. Therefore, I don't have any choice but to deny this appeal. Please don't say anything about the game in lag chat in the future -- it's against the rule regardless if it's true, and it's not fair to the other players left in the game.

    P.S. I'd be saying the same thing even if you were alive in the game because lag chat allows you to communicate information without revealing your identity. For example, someone who is Sheriff could reveal their Triad lead without the Triad knowing who they are. Similarly not fair or appropriate. In other words, the fact that you were dead in this game makes it worse, but it would still be cheating even if you were alive.
  6. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139

    Thread Author:Exeter350

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Jarma: 1-S2-1-6443139◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarma View Post
    Is posting a fake screenshot link to convince people i must be innocent actually altering the game, or is it an ingenius way of making it appear that I'm actually what i claim.
    @Jarma , given your Watch List punishment for this incident was issued in May 2016 and lapsed in June 2016, we're not considering this message to be an appeal request, but rather a request for a clarification on the Cheating / Additional Information rule as it relates to external links like screenshots and streams.

    You are not allowed to post screenshots, steaming links, or any other means of confirming yourself or sharing information outside of the game -- this is textbook Cheating / Additional Information. You're correct that Mafia is a game of deception, but the idea is deception within the game itself as opposed to players needing to consider the authenticity of out-of-game evidence. Doing so is absolutely altering the game because players are now deciding whether you're innocent or not based on external evidence you have provided as opposed to how persuasive you are in the game itself. The point of Mafia is to decide innocence or guilt based on what's happening in the game, not based on how well you think people can doctor screenshots or streams.

    Also, it just gets way too messy re: people actually cheating that way, especially as external links can be changed later -- for example, you post an actual screenshot and then you change the picture or delete it after the game so it looks like you're not cheating, and then no one can prove it either way. It's just a can of worms that neither staff nor the community in general want to open. That's why there's a very clear rule against posting links with any information about the game you're in.
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    ►►Re: Sign-Up: A Forum Mafia Winter Beginning. 2017◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by darkwater View Post
    /sign

    Can you tell me why you guys are obsessed with me? Or maybe Im just tripping balls who knows but Im getting mentioned a lot is seems like.
    Mafia, especially Forum Mafia, is akin to a cult and the idea of fresh blood is very exciting to the vampires around here. Any more questions? lol
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    ►►Re: How are earned points at end of round determined?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I 'believe' its also calculated based upon the difficulty of that win. If the setup has 10 mafia and 3 town the mafia will receive a lower amount of points at games end. Could be wrong
    I believe that's correct and recall at one point, that the game would actually spit out setup strength weights at the end of the game to tell you whether it was tilted or not. Those tended to correlate with points.
  9. {Point Ban} ►►Re: 1-S2-1-1883457; 1-S2-1-3218294; 1-S2-1-7802658; 1-S2-1-379524; 1-S2-1-4678087; 1-S2-1-7937525◄◄

    Update:

    Outstanding
    1. Forget: 1-S2-1-3218294
    2. Firestorm: 1-S2-1-379524
    3. JustMeSteven: 1-S2-1-4678087
    4. TPain: 1-S2-1-7830341
    5. Imaninegager: 1-S2-1-7937525

    Resolved
    1. Carl: 1-S2-1-7802658
    2. NuckaBlitz: 1-S2-1-1883457
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Darkwater: 1-S2-1-3242933◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by darkwater View Post
    Hi this is Darkwater I made a mistake while in said game. I didnt pay attention to the log and I had an innocent player killed. The only reason I suicide was to prevent any further damage probably not the way to handle things. I need to re-read the rules make everything clear. But I really enjoy the game since I found it I dont want to mess that up. I apologize to TwentyTwo and the fellow players who were wronged of the game in question. I will be more carefull to pay attention in any future games. Really cant say it again awesome game. Its a twist and turn and a thrill all jam packed.

    @Helz
    @darkwater , thank you for reviewing this report and understanding the problem which occurred in this game. We completely understand that people make mistakes in games and sometimes miss clues, deductions, or other feedback that can impact the result of the game. We do not punish in those instances as that is part of the game. However, we do punish for deliberate acts like suiciding since that changed the game from one where the Town had a majority and could still win to where it no longer had any chance.

    As you have said above, we encourage you to review the Mafia rules as well and if you have any questions, please let us know and we'd be happy to clarify. As the reviewing Keeper made clear, suiciding is almost always a no-no outside of very narrow circumstances where it would actually help your team's chances of winning by doing so. Lastly, since this is your first offense, it is just a warning that will last for two weeks on your account. Nothing to concern yourself with if you follow the rules in the future.

    We're glad you are enjoying Mafia and hope to see you around in a game!
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: CALAMITY: 1-S2-1-8511323; Dimento: 1-S2-1-5862849◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimento View Post
    I have played as SK before throughout the years and I do not always kill people each night. I have won many times through gaining the trust of the town and then at the end, backstabbing and winning. I do believe that it is strategy because I cannot be tracked, and if "Immune to detection" is on it would be even better and greatly improve the chances on winning, with all the triad unlucky it was sort of a risky gamble as well.
    Thank you.
    @Dimento , there's a difference between not killing people each night and not killing someone for 6 nights in a row when the Triad was folding over like a house of cards, lol. As previously stated, there are very legitimate reasons why you might want to vary up when you kill -- we are in complete agreement on this. We are not in agreement that this was one of those types of games though. In addition, with certain game settings like "immune to detection", might make it a very viable strategy, that option was not enabled in this game so this is a bit of a counterfactual.

    We appreciate your interest in the game and the time you've spent explaining yourself in this appeal. We just ask that you be a bit more strategic and a bit less flippant next time because this particular game looked bad and we can understand how people might be upset by your play here.
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: CALAMITY: 1-S2-1-8511323; Dimento: 1-S2-1-5862849◄◄

    @Arrow , per this appeal, please lower Dimento's Watch List x 3 to a Watch List x 2.

    Dimento: 1-S2-1-5862849
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: CALAMITY: 1-S2-1-8511323; Dimento: 1-S2-1-5862849◄◄

    @Dimento, we've accepted your request for an appeal. I have taken a look at the game in question and my findings are as follows:

    REVIEW OF APPEAL


    NAME / SC ID VERIFICATION
    CORRECT: 1-S2-1-5862849

    Respective Hotkeys
    4

    Was the Game Result altered?
    Yes, in the sense that the KPN (kills per night) were greatly reduced by Dimento's refusal to use his night kill ability as Serial Killer. The Town ended up lynching the compeltely outnumbered Dimento (6v1v1 at the end of the game) given he skipped 6 chances to night kill.

    Previous Offenses
    Role Quitting (On Hold)

    Player Offenses
    Griefing

    Game Summary
    This review is solely based on Dimento's appeal. In this game Dimento rolls Serial Killer (#13 - The Boy).

    Day 1 is uneventful. During Night 1, Dimento takes no action and is attacked by the Triad.

    During Day 2, Dimento falsely claims that he was protected by a Doctor, which is found suspicious by the Town given another player claims the same thing. Eventually, #2 is voted up, found guilty, and flips Vanguard.

    During Night 2, Dimento takes no action. During Day 3, #15 is voted up, found guilty, and flips Executioner.

    During Night 3, Dimento takes no action, but begins to prepare a fake Veteran LW. During Day 4, Dimento changes his LW to a fake Vigilante LW. The Town no lynches this day.

    During Night 4, Dimento takes no action. During Day 5, Dimento and others lead a push on #10 who is found guilty and flips Dragon Head. At the end of the day, Dimento tells the Town to killl #14.

    During Night 5, Dimento takes no action. During Day 6, the Town suspects Dimento but ends up no lynching.

    During Night 6, Dimento decides to kill #11, writes a death note of "Surprise", but then changes his mind so that he ends up taking no action once again. That night, the last Triad is intercepted by a Bodyguard.

    During Day 7, Dimento change his fake LW to that of a Bodyguard. Dimento is voted to trial, claims Veteran with a false LW that is proven by other players to be false (i.e. he claimed to be out of alerts using only two). He is voted guilty by a 5-0 margin and flips Serial Killer. His final remarks are as follows:
    GG
    I was peaceful
    Oh well
    im outta here

    After Dimento is lynched, the Town wins the game.

    Appeal Analysis
    This appeal is a bit complicated and raises the question of whether it's acceptable for a Serial Killer not to kill anyone throughout the game. The answer seems to be it depends whether the player in question was attempting to win the game through a strategy or was only killing as a means of trolling, which would throw off the game balance.

    In his request for an appeal, Dimento explains his play as follows:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimento View Post
    Hi, I believe I was incorrectly reported for Intentional Gamethrowing.
    I was playing as Serial Killer, and as the role states "You may choose to kill once a night".
    I refused to kill anybody and got reported for not killing anybody, as I do enjoy last minute SK popups at the end of the game.
    I believe I was falsely accused.
    I do not find this explanation to be compelling whatsoever. The Serial Killer role card states an ability of "Kill someone every night" with a goal of "be the last person alive". There is no "you may choose to" language in the description as Dimento claims, which would bolster his case somewhat. This type of misrepresentation is dangerously close to our standard of lying in an appeal, which would result in a doubled punishment, but I will be lenient here given the possible mistake. In addition, Dimento's rationale for not killing anyone seems rather flippant as well: "I do enjoy last minute SK popups at the end of the game". I note this has nothing to do with strategy whatsoever (i.e. nothing about why this would make Dimento more likely to win as SK) and therefore, Dimento's intent here seems to be far more trolly than strategic.

    This theory is very much borne out by how the game progressed. The Triad had significant difficulty generating night kills in this game (only one Town was killed by them, with another suicidng, and the third being a Bodyguard who intercepted the last Triad. I.e. it should have been very apparent to Dimento that he had virtually no chance of winning this game (i.e. "being the last person left alive") without using his night kill ability to remove some Town from the game. The game ended as a 6v1v1 (the Neutral being a Jester). Given this game ended Day 7, Dimento had 6 chances to kill Town and passed up all 6. In other words, he could have easily killed a significant number of Town and radically increased his chances of winning, but repeatedly chose not to do so.

    The sole mitigating factor here is that it can sometimes be a legitimate strategy to forego kills as a Serial Killer -- for example, if there is not a set role Neutral Killing in the game, so the Town might not even realize one exists. This was not the case in this game given Neutral Killing was set. Arguably, Dimento not using his night kill could have also confused the Town into believing the NK was an Arsonist instead (given douse was disabled). Not sure how this particularly helps Dimento either though, as he was still foregoing kills and falling further behind with each skipped night action.

    My conclusion is as follows: it certainly can be a legitimate strategy to avoid night kills as a Serial Killer, but certainly not for the reason Dimento alleges (based on the role card and his desire to play flippantly). While I hesitate to set the precedent that Serial Killers must kill, they should generally do so unless there's a really good strategic reason not to (classic example being an Amnesiac turned SK who the Town does not know exists). This was not that type of situation at all and for those reasons, I find that Dimento broke the rules in this game.

    Regarding punishment, Dimento was engaged in this game, did create several fake LWs (the last of which doomed him), so I conclude that he was not intentionally trying to lose -- i.e. not Intentional Game-Throwing. However, it's very clear that his decision to play for a funny outcome (surprise SK!) took precedence to him triyng to play to his win condition of being the last person left alive. I find this to be Griefing. Given Dimento has no prior record other than a Role Quitting offense, I am willing to extend a little leniency in this case and reduce the punishment to an Watch List x 2 on the condition that this behavior not repeat itself. If this happens again, we will punish more severely -- i.e. since Dimento is now on notice of this behavior being problematic, he would likely be looking at a long Watch List or even a Ban List.

    Recommended Action
    Reduce from Watch List x 3 (Intentional Game-Throwing) to Watch List x 2 (Griefing).

    Additional Notes
    Please play to your win condition in the future. You are receiving a little leniency on the assumption that you were genuinely confused about the rules. If this happens again, we will be far less favorable to you given you are now aware of how this type of play is problematic.

    Also, you misstated the Serial Killer role card pretty flagrantly in your favor when you appealed to us -- i.e. with language that supported your case, but which does not appear anywhere in the role card. If you are caught lying or misrepresenting information to us in another appeal, your penalty will likely be doubled.
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    {Ban List} ►►Re: Palpalean: 1-S2-1-7968628; John: 1-S2-1-3980355◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisco103 View Post
    Hey guys I'm John and I'm very sorry for starting leave trains. I won't do it again. Please un-ban me, I'll suck your dick. I'm really sorry I promise I won't break any more rules. I've broken a lot of rules lately and I can understand why people are reporting me but I shouldn't be permabanned. I was just fucking around and I didn't realize that the choo thing would result in reports. If you unban me I will not only make an attempt to play properly and be a mature player, I will make sure to follow the rules of game. I will no longer gamethrow. I will no longer spam non-stop. I will no longer grieve when I lose. Give me one chance to show that I can play appropriately without breaking rules, just one chance. I've been a well-liked mafia player mostly and I've even helped clean up Mafia by reporting blatant gamethrowers/grievers/leave trainers/ ect. Please I'm a good guy and I just wanna play a fun game. Thanks.
    @Wisco103 , please note that your punishment for the Leave Train above is only a Ban List x 2, which means you will be unable to play the game for two weeks, after which time your Ban List will expire and you will be able to join games once again. This is not a permaban type of situation by any means and we appreciate your promise not to start Leave Trains or engage in other behavior against the rules in the future. Given you are banned for a very comparatively low amount of time (usually Ban List x 2 is the lowest Ban List that we give out) and are not disputing the behavior in question, I don't think there's much we can do for you here. You will be able to play the game again in two weeks and hopefully, you can turn over a new leaf then.
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    ►►Re: Blazin: 1-S2-1-2145515◄◄

    @BlazinOP , we can approve a restore for you with the following stats:

    12,503 Points, 306 Victories, 667 Games Played

    Please coordinate a time for this point restore to take place before February 28, 2017 or we will have to start the process over once again. Thank you!
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    ►►Re: ness: 1-S2-1-1092637◄◄

    @Ness , please let us know if you are still interested in having this point restore to your bank. If we do not hear from you by February 15, we will need to archive this thread and you will need to start the process over from scratch with a new thread.
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    ►►As this request is stale, we will move it to...◄◄

    As this request is stale, we will move it to archived. If you would like to renew it, please start a new thread and provide us with the required information (i.e. verification that you are not on a starter account or someone vouching for you in a replay). Thanks.
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    ►►Re: Point restoration ..... Watermeloann◄◄

    Given it has been several months since watermeloann has responded to this point restoration request (made a very bad name to himself), I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @watermeloann , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: DDp: 1-S2-1-5078349◄◄

    Given it has been several months since DDp has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @DDp , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: Wynntastic: 1-S2-1-5215441◄◄

    Given it has been several months since Wynntastic has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @Wynntastic , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: KIALEADER: 1-S2-1-2948023◄◄

    Given it has been several months since DaddyMcCream has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @DaddyMcCream , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
  22. Forum:Point Restore and White List Archive

    Thread:Roy 1-S2-1-5678906

    Thread Author:Roy

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    ►►Re: Roy 1-S2-1-5678906◄◄

    Given it has been several months since Roy has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @Roy , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: YinCrash: 1-S2-1-643852◄◄

    Given it has been several months since yincrash has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.

    @yincrash , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: RufusPL 1-S2-1-4732547◄◄

    Given it has been several months since RufusPL has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.
    @RufusPL , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: Mentar 1-S2-1-4213632◄◄

    Given it has been several months since Mentar has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.
    @Mentar , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
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    ►►Re: OTL: 1-S2-1-3245349◄◄

    Given it has been several months since OTL has responded to this point restoration request, I am going to move this thread to archived.
    @OTL , if you wish to continue pursuing this request at a later time, please start a new thread.
  27. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 221: Death Note

    Thread Author:Sino

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    ►►Re: S-FM 221: Death Note◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I'm improving just for you DB. I need your approval before leaving existence.
    @yzb25 feels the exact same way -- feel free to join my fan club.
  28. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 221: Death Note

    Thread Author:Sino

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    ►►Re: S-FM 221: Death Note◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Sorry for not being serious in a post-game chat. I'll surrender to the authorities and expect a fair trial.
    But see, I want you to get better. Never being serious about hey, maybe you could work on X or Y means that won't happen. People would be much happier to troll with you if you were also playing the game with reads and scumhunting. You gotta give a little to get a little.
  29. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:Bestmass Reaction Thread

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:DarknessB

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    [Information] ►►Re: Bestmass Reaction Thread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    only reaction i got was "admin hacks" and "head banging or choochoo"
    These reactions seem to support the idea that Bestmas just stirs up trouble and encourages bad behavior from community members -- talking about staff hacking / abuse, threatening leave trains, etc.
  30. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 221: Death Note

    Thread Author:Sino

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    ►►Re: S-FM 221: Death Note◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Bu.. but... Sheeps are my reason for living
    See, this was my point about being serious. If you want people to enjoy playing with you, you need to drop the trolling for substance. Hell, the more substance you put in a game, the more you can troll, but no one wants to play with someone who is just messing around and not trying. You start giving reads and leading lynches, no one is going to mind a little trolling.
  31. {Watch List} ►►Re: Thugnificent: 1-S2-1-2455751; CrunchySoul: 1-S2-1-1993798◄◄

    Quick Summary for @Arrow :
    CrunchySoul is definitely guilty of Additional Information here, but Watch List x 6 was too severe of a punishment IMO. He has a relatively clean record (only two instances of Role Quitting) and when a staff member warned him about pasting image links in this game, he immediately stopped, acknowledging his mistake.

    Therefore, I recommend reducing CrunchySoul's punishment to a Watch List x 3.
  32. {Watch List} ►►Re: Thugnificent: 1-S2-1-2455751; CrunchySoul: 1-S2-1-1993798◄◄

    CrunchySoul, we've accepted your request for an appeal. I have taken a look at the game in question and my findings are as follows:

    REVIEW OF APPEAL


    NAME / SC ID VERIFICATION
    CORRECT: 1-S2-1-1993798

    Respective Hotkeys
    6

    Was the Game Result altered?
    No, the game result was not altered by CrunchySoul's use of Additional Information.

    Previous Offenses
    1. Role Quitting (On Hold)
    2. Role Quitting (Watch List x 2)

    Player Offenses
    Additional Information

    Summary
    This review is solely based on CrunchySoul's appeal. In this game CrunchySoul rolls Investigator (#10 - PEE).

    During Day 1, CrunchySoul gets into an argument with #4. During Night 1, CrunchySoul investigates #4 and receives feedback of "Kidnapping and Murder" (#4's crimes).

    During Day 2, CrunchySoul reports to the Town that #4 had crimes of "murder and kidnapper". He continues by saying:
    evidence coming in
    https://imgur.com/a/nK4uF
    got it
    prove off that shit bish
    lier
    tool

    In other words, CrunchySoul posted an link to an image which by its very definition is out-of-game information. This is a clear example of Additional Information. Unfortunately, the link in question is no longer active so we are not able to verify the contents of what CrunchySoul was intending to post.

    The Town does not proceed to vote #4 and CrunchySoul continues to paste the Imgur link and is voted up to trial. An in-game administrator uses the shout command with the message:
    That Count's as Cheating:/ Would Recommend not doing that

    In response to the in-game admin's message, CrunchySoul says:
    k my bad
    learn something new daily, i renege myself, lets say

    While on trial, CrunchySoul also claims Investigator and is pardoned by a 7-2 vote. The Town does not lynch anyone during this day. After this day, the game proceeds normally, at least with respect to CrunchySoul (the subject of this appeal).

    This appeal is a bit complicated for a number of reasons. On the one hand, Additional Information is clearly against the rules so CrunchySoul is guilty and some punishment is necessary here. It doesn't particularly matter what the screenshot in question was, especially since we cannot verify it independently. Players cannot be posting links outside of the game because those links may very well contain information about the game that it would not be fair to share with others players. I'm afraid there isn't room for negotiation here and to the extent CrunchySoul wanted to flag a disciplinary issue regarding #4 to our attention, posting an image link in-game is certainly not the right place to do that -- reports should be filed here on the forum.

    However, there are some mitigating circumstances to consider as well. While CrunchySoul posted the Imgur link several times, when an in-game administrator told him that it was cheating to do so, he acknowledged this and said that he would stop ("k my bad, learn something new daily, i renege myself, lets say"). This suggests that CrunchySoul simply did not understand the rule against Additional Information / outside links, and once he was informed he should not do so, he stopped immediately. In addition, the fact that an in-game administrator issued a warning should give him some comfort that there would not be significant additional discipline. Finally, CrunchySoul has a fairly clean record outside of this incident -- only two prior instances of Role Quitting with his highest punishment level being Watch List x 2.

    Overall, I conclude that CrunchySoul was certainly guilty of Additional Information in this game, but because he was warned by an in-game administrator, stopped immediately, and has a fairly clean prior record, I believe Watch List x 6 is too severe of a penalty here. Accordingly, I am recommending that the punishment for this offense be reduced to a Watch List x 3. CrunchySoul, you cannot be pasting links of any kind, but I am glad you seem to understand this now. I understand it's not pleasant to be on an more extended Watch List, but if you stay out of trouble, this will mean nothing in the long-run.

    Recommended Action
    Reduce from Watch List x 6 to Watch List x 3

    Additional Notes
    Please refrain from posting links in the future, no matter their content, due to the risk of outside information / cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    You surely have to learn that out of 10 things that I say, 9 are lies. I had my reasons yo town read FB, but as I was being continously scum-read and annoyed for just a little and stupid thing I said It was because of his avatar so everyone would just shut up.

    About MZ, I don't remember that part. Still, pretty sure I had my reasons. I do not forgive players because of random things.
    Give me a break dude -- you were Town in an almost 100% vanilla game. If you had good reasons to Townread people, you should have shared them and then you would have been Townread by people. Crypt even pointed this out during the game and he was 100% correct -- there's no reason to have secret Townreads on people in a no TPR game like this. Being secretive makes absolutely no sense and in terms of logic, Crypt made a fairly persuasive case against you.

    Let me refresh your memory re: your refusal to lynch MZ:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I refuse to Lynch MZ. He deserves compassion and someone yo rely on as he did with me in Final Fantasy.

    So my current Lynch order is everyone but him, in alphabetical order.
    At best, you played scummy on purpose / concealed your reads (not good). At worst, you're making excuses for unprincipled / lazy reads (also not good).

    The point of this post isn't to bash you, even if it comes off like that. You've said in the past that you were going to put more effort into games and you wanted more respect. Actions over words, my friend. I'd like to see a Gyrlander who shares more reads and pushes more people in the future. No one is saying you have to be Calix-level aggressive, but proclaiming you're voting for people just because you want to be on a train is very bad. You don't even have to be right about your reads, but please just try to scumhunt and contribute to the discussion.

    Lastly, I know you tend to be a bit less serious sometimes, but please no more walls of sheep or stuff like that. I want you to succeed and get better man, but it's hard to have sympathy during those instances when your play devolves into outright mod-level trolling.
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    @Arrow , can you please remove this Point Ban?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCarl View Post
    Hey Veri,

    Thank you for the quick reply. It says I don't have permission to post in that forum. I don't even have permission to view the screenshots in your post lol.

    Hopefully it gets approved soon. I'll wait for an in-game message.

    Thanks,

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    @MrCarl , I believe the issues you are having with the site are due to you not confirming your e-mail address when you registered with the site. That's why your name is written in tan italics (which is "users awaiting e-mail confirmation") instead of white like most members. We can assist with getting this fixed if you are not able to do so from your end -- please let us know either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Then increase the number of analytical players, then they can set the playing board.

    You don't make a team better by removing the better players.
    Sure, it's a very tough sell to get those players to sign up for games given how they have been going lately. There's also been a creep over from analytical to a bit more freeform by some players like you and FB. No one is saying anyone should play like a robot, but I don't think anyone would argue against reads and explaining one's votes / suspicions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Also, I just found it un-motiviating that people will observe the game and always, not participate and then criticise other people and complain about the situation, but do nothing to resolve it.
    But see, the more an analytical player sees of this, the less likely that analytical player is to sign for a future game. No one wants to be the MattZed or SW from Death Note -- i.e. a more serious player in a sea of trolling who can barely hold the game together. The problem is cyclical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Regarding quality of play, I don't think anyone was terrible. I like a more analytical game. I crave play like Calix did in Empire, MZ did here, where people ISO, give lots of comments on the gamestate, and gave well though out reasons for scumreading someone. Then if you do have a scumread, pushing it to convince others they are scum or interacting with them, questioning them so you can get a better read or get others to get a better read on you both. I personally, don't do well with trolling. It's not my thing. I usually get scumread if I try to joke around too much. It's not that I don't like to joke around. I just like my mafia games to be a little more serious. And this is the thing about this site. It's more prone to trolling. That is why I will play but probably be a little more picky about what games or ***** more.
    I'm relieved that at least one person seems to understand where I'm coming from. No one is saying we have to be super serious and not have fun, but the entire point of Forum Mafia is the dialogue / discussion. It's hard to play with people when they're just posting walls of sheep, claiming every role, giving no reads, voting without any explanation and AFKing, townreading players based on stuff that happened one year ago in another game, jumping on any train that is started, etc. I personally don't find it enjoyable, at least when it takes over the game like it did here.

    Yes, I agree that this site has a trolly meta sometimes, but I feel like we're been going further in that direction as of late with some of the more analytical players taking a step back and players who were formerly a little more serious becoming far more flippant in their play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Gg all this was fun! Good job with Banana MZ! And good job with Lynching Cryptonic!
    Looks like everyone wants to take the blue pill here. That's fine -- I'll stop commenting then if it's going to be a waste of my time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    All town still had hunches and played on them. A few trolled, yes, but most of those also tried to win, even if that didnt include long explanations.
    Honestly, we're not going to agree and that's fine. It's really just a question of what people want out of S-FMs. If the answer to the question is this type of gameplay, then I guess that's what we'll see more of in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I think most players here had fun and learned something. I've given some private advice, and it's been received well. It was certainly not our most solid game, but I dont see anyone here deciding to tighten up their play bases on the thoughts of a non-partipant.
    We can agree to disagree then. While I understand that being overly negative doesn't help people improve, nor does presenting an unrealistically sunny message to them. 2/3 of the Town literally did nothing but sheep any train started, spam nonsense, ask to be lynched out of boredom, and actively lurk. I'm used to seeing that in isolation (like 1-2 players per game), but the fact that the majority of the Town fell into that trap here is very alarming.

    Re: being a non-participant, how this game worked out isn't making me regret that decision TBH, and you're ignoring the fact that many people become non-participants when they see this type of play. I'd suggest you separate out the validity of message being sent (which is a very fair one) from the person sending the message (whom you can certainly dislike if you want).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about. You havent even been on the site for years. Some of our best runs were early and late 2016, only dying down for Christmas and FM signs.

    When I joined the site, there was a problem with players not playing games they signed up for, or barely meeting minimum post requirements. This has not been an issue for a long time, and we're much better to be past it.

    Yes, there was a lot of trolling this game, and a lot of ignoring basic FM protocols like explaining votes. I would strongly encourage this to stop. However, people were still playing off of who they thought was scum or who was safe to follow, and this got Crypt lynched even if it wasn't the beautiful analytic takedown I was hoping for.
    Your first S-FM was something like 3-4 games before mine in 2015 which is years ago, lol. Also, I'm not sure I'd characterize late 2016 as being one of our best runs given the infamous Mafia Wars 3.0 freakout which occurred, Empire with all the hosting mistakes / issues, Lazy with the turbo lynches / rage, and now this game. I'd say that's a number of problematic games in a relatively short period. You yourself lamented how problematic the play was in this game right at the end of Day 1.

    Many of us use the trope of "there were other problems in the past which aren't problems now so everything is great". It's honestly terrible and is more of a sleight of hand to avoid talking about problems with a nice "everything is fine" message. Yes, there were issues with AFKers in the past, but yesterday's AFKers are today's heavy lurkers / trollers / non-participators. Not sure that I think posting a wall of sheep, voting for any train formed, or voting for people based on general sympathy vs. scumreading is that much better than being AFK to be honest.

    Your last point is extremely charitable given multiple Town players asked to be lynched because they were so dissatisfied the level of play in this game, not to mention the utter lack of scumhunting or reads by most of the Town. Many people voted for a train because it existed and they didn't want to bother coming up with their own read. That explained your train on d1 as well as many of the votes on ika, SJ, and Crypt as well.

    Finally, a lot of the reason Crypt got voted was because of his reputation as a good FM player. As in, the sense that Crypt must be tricking people (how would scum not kill Crypt?) and it's better not to be taken advantage of by a wily veteran like that. This is a perfect example of being right for the wrong reasons (sort of like Gyrlander sparing you during d1 because he fondly remembered how you were nice to him in FF7 or sparing FB because of his avatar -- neither of which has anything to do with this game of course). Saying the Town put much thought into the Crypt lynch (other than SW who led it) is some major revisionist history. Literally, most of the other Town basically just said, let me know who to vote for, and did so blindly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Game would of ended instantly in a town win.
    I know -- would have been pretty entertaining, right?

    If the actual L was some AFKer though and just didn't CC MZ, would have made for a bonkers mid-game, lol. And before you say that could never happen, RLVG never CCed FB's fake claim in Charmander's Revenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Agreed I enjoyed my time in the game. Converting you was not the best move but I went for fun factor vs best strategy.

    Converting Mesk after the obvious day 1 cit claim would be the optimal conversion choice (and what I initially considered) until MZ outted as L
    You should have tried to convert MZ -- ultimate test of WIFOM there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    I think more of the issue is though that your not activly playing these games either so if anything some people might take what you say for a gain of salt. Yes they can be issues but by not playing and jsut voicing it, you are argubly not fixing it much either
    It's a chicken-egg problem though -- one of the main reasons I'm not actively playing games these days is because the quality of play has diminished so much over the past couple of years. I'm not even talking about doing a good job in the game, but even just minimal effort would be nice -- e.g. giving basic reads on players, giving rationalizations for votes, not turbo lynching unless there's a good reason, cutting back on excessive trolling / spamming, trying to post something about the game every so often, etc. This isn't high-level FM play -- it's more like basic decency to everyone else who signed, lol.

    To be very honest, games like this don't encourage me to get back into things and I feel like many of the more active players who have moved on feel the same way. Yes, I realize that doesn't solve the problem, but unfortunately, it's where we are right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Yes, 99% of the time he only speaks negatively, quite a downer.

    I mean, I had fun this game, I don't really care how anyone played because this was enjoyable.
    Nothing ever changes if issues aren't raised and in fact, things get worse. It's really not a big ask for people to try scumhunting and post reads / rationalizations for votes as opposed to massively trolling the thread or lurking away the days. I know you were converted scum, but you even made these points during the game. You can call it negative if you want, but you're just condoning / enabling the behavior if it's not flagged.

    In addition to my critique of 2/3 of the Town, I also mentioned a number of things I liked about this game -- e.g. SW's scumhunting / logic, SB's reemergence / being more aggressive with pushes, your trying to make the best of a rough setup for scum after BC was lynched, MZ's rallying from L-1 to push a lynch on BC, etc. However, I think we're all doing ourselves a disservice if we just pretend there weren't serious problems with the overall effort level in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    OK, I get it now. I thought you were insulting the entire town.

    I agree for the most part with what you said here. I haven't been this frustrated with a game in a long time.
    Ah, that was just a paraphrase of Gyrlander's reason for not wanting to vote MZ earlier in the game, which fits the narrative of this game for most of the Town -- "right for the wrong reasons". A handful of you tried and I felt bad for those people given the lack of basic Town cooperation or scumhunting from the rest. Kudos to you for making it through this game, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I scumhunted, I'm just bad and misread everyone.
    I'd love to have some insight as to why crypt killed FB instead of SW.
    Honestly, I thought you did a good job this game and was pleasantly surprised by the somewhat more aggressive SB -- hope to see more of that in the future. No one is saying you have to be right, but basic effort is a very good thing and gets the Town doing something. Contrast that to the wall of trolling from 2/3 of the Town...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverWolf View Post
    Do you always come into the end game of every game and just shit on everything?
    You played well and I actually felt bad for you given something like 3 players max did any sort of scumhunting this game. I just can't pretend this was a well-played game by the Town despite the victory. MZ managed to rally folks against BC, you scumhunted, SB even scumhunted kind of. Crypt was put in a tough position especially given some of his d1 comments about being the logical convert.

    Not sure what any of the other townies did other than AFK, troll, fake claim every role, post walls of sheep, say they wouldn't lynch people because of their avatar or stuff that happened in games a year ago when they got pity from the person on the block, or sheep any train just because they wanted to be on a train / didn't want to come up with their own scumread. I'm sorry, but I just can't pretend any of that makes for a good game.
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    My assessment of the game:

    I refuse to vote MZ (for MVP). It's very unclear whether most of the players deserve compassion and someone to rely on as with the terrible Town in Final Fantasy.

    So my current MVP order is everyone but him, in alphabetical order.
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