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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;724280]Another meta note: My playstyle is to be VERY involved in the game... which doesn't guarentee I will be here 24/7. So if I get less active, don't forget we all have real lives lol. I noticed I always get scumread by most people when I get a bit busy IRL. Pls stop :P[/QUOTE]
You didn't have as much free time available as previous games, but you still made an effort keeping up with the post count while not making an efford to keep up with all the reading and info available?
People felt your uninvolvement while it appeared that your post count was normal.
I think it was a grave error from you to make so many [I]empty[/I] generalized posts like [I]"I think we should be careful"[/I] and [I]"I'm not sure"[/I].
For all the 3 players who have experience with you - Distorted, Blink, SCV - for all of them you felt off.
I think if you have less time then don't make posts just for the sake of making posts. People can feel your uninvolvement. You wouldn't be lynched just because you have less posts than usual.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;724282]WHAT?! Um no. I did NOT gamethrow. I wanted to get Scv down, then Distorted because Scv was town. But I didn't want to look like a scum lining up lynches either, so I wouldn't die to Distorted, who would manipulate others in lynching me. He's better than me at manipulation. My lynch was meta more than anything imo... I just give too much as town I guess :( now I can't play scum lol[/QUOTE]
Yes, sorry, my bad. Gamethrow is definetly the wrong word, but idk what is the right one. I mean like - you were in such a good position, but you throw it away by not being like your usual self. I know you say you were like yourself, but you obviously weren't if all players who know you called you out - Blink, SCV, Distorted.
Even me saying that you were obvious was wrong too, since it took 24 hours of arguing and most townies still needed you to be pointed out at them to see you as possible scum.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;724283]I was actually acting like myself. As I said I would actually townread blink. And actually scumread noz. The only "not-myselfish" thing was to refuse to make a plan with Distorted. [color="#2897ae"]Because else I'd have solved game for town[/color]. Gg hope I won't be scum with you again, you'll get my head off lol...[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? All you had to do was to agree that SCV and Blink look scummy. Even Distorted could have perhaps been lynched first 10 hours of Day2.
Perhaps you would have solved game for Town if you were Town.
But you were scum and chose to post almost nothing other than [I]"I'm not sure"[/I] posts.
The golden middle line would have been you just agreeing that SCV is scum and get him lynched. Day3 focus on Distorted/Blink. I just don't see anyone being focused on you unless Distorted finds your scum team with his EoD pressure tactics.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Another meta note: My playstyle is to be VERY involved in the game... which doesn't guarentee I will be here 24/7. So if I get less active, don't forget we all have real lives lol. I noticed I always get scumread by most people when I get a bit busy IRL. Pls stop :P

You didn't have as much free time available as previous games, but you still made an effort keeping up with the post count while not making an efford to keep up with all the reading and info available?
People felt your uninvolvement while it appeared that your post count was normal.
I think it was a grave error from you to make so many empty generalized posts like "I think we should be careful" and "I'm not sure".
For all the 3 players who have experience with you - Distorted, Blink, SCV - for all of them you felt off.
I think if you have less time then don't make posts just for the sake of making posts. People can feel your uninvolvement. You wouldn't be lynched just because you have less posts than usual.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

WHAT?! Um no. I did NOT gamethrow. I wanted to get Scv down, then Distorted because Scv was town. But I didn't want to look like a scum lining up lynches either, so I wouldn't die to Distorted, who would manipulate others in lynching me. He's better than me at manipulation. My lynch was meta more than anything imo... I just give too much as town I guess now I can't play scum lol

Yes, sorry, my bad. Gamethrow is definetly the wrong word, but idk what is the right one. I mean like - you were in such a good position, but you throw it away by not being like your usual self. I know you say you were like yourself, but you obviously weren't if all players who know you called you out - Blink, SCV, Distorted.
Even me saying that you were obvious was wrong too, since it took 24 hours of arguing and most townies still needed you to be pointed out at them to see you as possible scum.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I was actually acting like myself. As I said I would actually townread blink. And actually scumread noz. The only "not-myselfish" thing was to refuse to make a plan with Distorted. Because else I'd have solved game for town. Gg hope I won't be scum with you again, you'll get my head off lol...

What do you mean? All you had to do was to agree that SCV and Blink look scummy. Even Distorted could have perhaps been lynched first 10 hours of Day2.
Perhaps you would have solved game for Town if you were Town.
But you were scum and chose to post almost nothing other than "I'm not sure" posts.
The golden middle line would have been you just agreeing that SCV is scum and get him lynched. Day3 focus on Distorted/Blink. I just don't see anyone being focused on you unless Distorted finds your scum team with his EoD pressure tactics.

So many [I]"scum wouldn't do that because this and that, therefore he or they are town"[/I] assumptions. I can't agree with any of them because of the [I]"therefore he or they are [B]town[/B]"[/I] part.

I guess my opinion stays put. If MM wasn't so [I]obvious[/I], then there wouldn't be a reason not to think that Blink+SCV are a scum team on Day2. I know you guys gave a lot of reasons, I just don't agree with them. Heck, Blink was even the one who suggested to Distorted that SCV isn't scum... how I wish they both were LOL.

So many "scum wouldn't do that because this and that, therefore he or they are town" assumptions. I can't agree with any of them because of the "therefore he or they are town" part.

I guess my opinion stays put. If MM wasn't so obvious, then there wouldn't be a reason not to think that Blink+SCV are a scum team on Day2. I know you guys gave a lot of reasons, I just don't agree with them. Heck, Blink was even the one who suggested to Distorted that SCV isn't scum... how I wish they both were LOL.

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;724253]I feel that after a night, pairings are what we should be looking at and explore - no mafia would be a lone wolf, simply because his two other teammates would be in a delicate position because of that. I went through a lot of pairings with SCV being the base for most of them since he was SO SCUMMY but the only one that really did make sense was SCV/Blink... [B]which was way too obvious to be a real pairing[/B]. That's why I didn't push for SCV even though he was the key point in my theories[/QUOTE]
So many [I]plays[/I] in this game that were beyond my comprehension. This is definitely one of them.
Idk how you people do that tbh :/

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

I feel that after a night, pairings are what we should be looking at and explore - no mafia would be a lone wolf, simply because his two other teammates would be in a delicate position because of that. I went through a lot of pairings with SCV being the base for most of them since he was SO SCUMMY but the only one that really did make sense was SCV/Blink... which was way too obvious to be a real pairing. That's why I didn't push for SCV even though he was the key point in my theories

So many plays in this game that were beyond my comprehension. This is definitely one of them.
Idk how you people do that tbh :/

At the end of the day, you think that both claims are town.
Yet you assume a mafia wouldn't make that claim?
Because they would fear that townies wouldn't think they both town claims?

Jeezus, people. Please tell me I am not the only one who sees the problem in that logic.

At the end of the day, you think that both claims are town.
Yet you assume a mafia wouldn't make that claim?
Because they would fear that townies wouldn't think they both town claims?

Jeezus, people. Please tell me I am not the only one who sees the problem in that logic.

[QUOTE=Magoroth;724246][B]Because if we lynch one of them, the other one will follow suit.[/B] Unless mafia has a day vest, but then they're just wasting nights giving out vests when they could be killing people[/QUOTE]
Can you translate that, because I honestly don't understand what that means. :(
But if you mean that [I]"if one is innocent then other gets lynched"[/I] - isn't that statement directly contradicting the statement[I] "they both have to be town"[/I]?

Originally Posted by Magoroth

Because if we lynch one of them, the other one will follow suit. Unless mafia has a day vest, but then they're just wasting nights giving out vests when they could be killing people

Can you translate that, because I honestly don't understand what that means.
But if you mean that "if one is innocent then other gets lynched" - isn't that statement directly contradicting the statement "they both have to be town"?

[QUOTE=blinkskater;724243]It just doesnt make any sense day 1/2 for there to be 2 🔫 smith claims unless they were both truthfull[/QUOTE]
Ok. Why?

Originally Posted by blinkskater

It just doesnt make any sense day 1/2 for there to be 2 🔫 smith claims unless they were both truthfull

Ok. Why?

[QUOTE=Distorted;724237]well he was rigger....he had to get rid of the confirmed towns somehow. he pretty much got cornered into doing risky moves. He took the highest risk 1, but the other alternative was shooting yagami or SCV. and with SCV giving guns, i woulda felt safe SCV wouldent be the first to jump/hammer - and yagami was pushing a lot of other people so most likely easier to "lead off" in his eyes.[/QUOTE]
Hmm ok. That makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724238]you dont know how the best sc2mafia player plays[/QUOTE]
No, but I know how you play. You just post random shit without any reasoning behind it or whatsoever.
[I]"I can read minds, don't ask me to prove because it can't, just trust me that I can because I say so" [/I] - you in a nutshell. Just post random shit without any logic or reasoning or evidence to support it.

[QUOTE=Distorted;724240]no he played great honestly. It was purely meta, if I had never played with MM before I would have probably kept pushing that SCV lynch lol And it was also because SCV fought so hard as well, if SCV didn't push back as hard as he did, than I would have kept pushing his lynch. It was a combination of things.[/QUOTE]
You said it yourself that he usually loves to strategize and is being decisive and aggressive, while in this game he was indecisive, reserved and only acting confused. Like literaly opposite of his usual town play? If we ignore the SCV part and just focus on the [I]meta[/I] part - I honestly don't see how he could have made it more obvious if what you say is true. I understand you are polite, but "great play" is not the proper description, I hope you agree with that.

Originally Posted by Distorted

well he was rigger....he had to get rid of the confirmed towns somehow. he pretty much got cornered into doing risky moves. He took the highest risk 1, but the other alternative was shooting yagami or SCV. and with SCV giving guns, i woulda felt safe SCV wouldent be the first to jump/hammer - and yagami was pushing a lot of other people so most likely easier to "lead off" in his eyes.

Hmm ok. That makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

you dont know how the best sc2mafia player plays

No, but I know how you play. You just post random shit without any reasoning behind it or whatsoever.
"I can read minds, don't ask me to prove because it can't, just trust me that I can because I say so" - you in a nutshell. Just post random shit without any logic or reasoning or evidence to support it.

Originally Posted by Distorted

no he played great honestly. It was purely meta, if I had never played with MM before I would have probably kept pushing that SCV lynch lol And it was also because SCV fought so hard as well, if SCV didn't push back as hard as he did, than I would have kept pushing his lynch. It was a combination of things.

You said it yourself that he usually loves to strategize and is being decisive and aggressive, while in this game he was indecisive, reserved and only acting confused. Like literaly opposite of his usual town play? If we ignore the SCV part and just focus on the meta part - I honestly don't see how he could have made it more obvious if what you say is true. I understand you are polite, but "great play" is not the proper description, I hope you agree with that.

[QUOTE=Distorted;724232]somewhat, MM was ignoring blink which makes 0 sense...they usually go at eachother. He jumped at my slip of saying "weaponsmith" but ignored blink flat out saying "i am scum". He tunneled in too hard. Then over the course of like the 5000 pages of me and SCV arguing, i started putting out strategies to confirm it and MM wasnt jumping in on those. MM loves to strategize as town and come up with plans, he has commented in the last FM game that he missed some of the older players because he missed doing exactly that, so i started getting more and more susp that the more strategies i put out, the less he addressed them.[/QUOTE]

Sounds to me like MM [I]gamethrow[/I] in the sense that he could have gotten off easily lynching a townie Day2.
But it was probably because he was very busy IRL so couldn't follow anything I guess. :/

Originally Posted by Distorted

somewhat, MM was ignoring blink which makes 0 sense...they usually go at eachother. He jumped at my slip of saying "weaponsmith" but ignored blink flat out saying "i am scum". He tunneled in too hard. Then over the course of like the 5000 pages of me and SCV arguing, i started putting out strategies to confirm it and MM wasnt jumping in on those. MM loves to strategize as town and come up with plans, he has commented in the last FM game that he missed some of the older players because he missed doing exactly that, so i started getting more and more susp that the more strategies i put out, the less he addressed them.

Sounds to me like MM gamethrow in the sense that he could have gotten off easily lynching a townie Day2.
But it was probably because he was very busy IRL so couldn't follow anything I guess. :/

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724231]its not bullshit when i abuse my hate for distorted to get some sweet kills :D[/QUOTE]

The thing that I called bullshit was your statement about it being helpful for Town that you shoot the most confirmed townies. Are you ok?

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

its not bullshit when i abuse my hate for distorted to get some sweet kills

The thing that I called bullshit was your statement about it being helpful for Town that you shoot the most confirmed townies. Are you ok?

[QUOTE=Distorted;724226][COLOR="#00FFFF"]This is the exact post where i became confident me and SCV was a TvT argument....I got so frustrated at MM during this lol[/COLOR]



[COLOR="#00FFFF"]this is me being frustrated at MM[/COLOR]
















Seeing SCV all of a sudden show that same frustration is what made me confident to not want to push him anymore...because it was frustrating af lol[/QUOTE]

So it was more like MM being off, than SCV being innocent.
I mean like, SCV would have never gotten off so easily if it wasn't for MM acting bad?

Originally Posted by Distorted

This is the exact post where i became confident me and SCV was a TvT argument....I got so frustrated at MM during this lol



this is me being frustrated at MM
















Seeing SCV all of a sudden show that same frustration is what made me confident to not want to push him anymore...because it was frustrating af lol

So it was more like MM being off, than SCV being innocent.
I mean like, SCV would have never gotten off so easily if it wasn't for MM acting bad?

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724222]
its never gamethrowing if it helps town winning by killing all possible scums[/QUOTE]

What are you talking? Distorted was literally confirmed when you shot him because it was proven that his gun works. And Mag was highest town read for basically everyone when you shot him. How does that help the town?

You are just talking bullshit.

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

its never gamethrowing if it helps town winning by killing all possible scums

What are you talking? Distorted was literally confirmed when you shot him because it was proven that his gun works. And Mag was highest town read for basically everyone when you shot him. How does that help the town?

You are just talking bullshit.

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724221]i never made slip ups you were just using wrong information to go to the right path[/QUOTE]
You didn't lie when you said you don't need vests since you were the Rigger. And someone took that comment seriously and suspected you to be the Rigger since Day1.
How is that not a slip?

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

i never made slip ups you were just using wrong information to go to the right path

You didn't lie when you said you don't need vests since you were the Rigger. And someone took that comment seriously and suspected you to be the Rigger since Day1.
How is that not a slip?

[QUOTE=Efekannn02;724217]thats because i installed my meta so well that only new players and haters/idiots target me with wrong information[/QUOTE]

You do realise that the only reason people doubted you, even though you shot [I]confirmed[/I] townies, was because they thought you actively tried to gamethrow, right? You have no problem with that?

Originally Posted by Efekannn02

thats because i installed my meta so well that only new players and haters/idiots target me with wrong information

You do realise that the only reason people doubted you, even though you shot confirmed townies, was because they thought you actively tried to gamethrow, right? You have no problem with that?

[QUOTE=Fielzanks;724215]There's no 'minor' gut feeling about feeling something's not quite right! Distorted vs SCV was too great of a fight and caused too much genuine frustration. And some other things made me feel we really needed another lynch to set things straight for town. SCV was just too... scummy to be scum?[/QUOTE]

At the very least you guys were right in the end. However, it just doesn't sit right with me to throw all that gathered info of 3k+ posts and votings just because [I]he got upset[/I].

Mag said that no Mafia would CC a town smith. Unless there is a deeper reasoning to that claim - then that claim in itself makes you think the opposite to be true, because why not do something that looks town?

Originally Posted by Fielzanks

There's no 'minor' gut feeling about feeling something's not quite right! Distorted vs SCV was too great of a fight and caused too much genuine frustration. And some other things made me feel we really needed another lynch to set things straight for town. SCV was just too... scummy to be scum?

At the very least you guys were right in the end. However, it just doesn't sit right with me to throw all that gathered info of 3k+ posts and votings just because he got upset.

Mag said that no Mafia would CC a town smith. Unless there is a deeper reasoning to that claim - then that claim in itself makes you think the opposite to be true, because why not do something that looks town?

Ohh and btw. I was certain that MM is scum and Mag is town on Day2 because Mag did follow Distorted while MM questioned Distorted. True meta call right there from just 1 game experience with them.

Ohh and btw. I was certain that MM is scum and Mag is town on Day2 because Mag did follow Distorted while MM questioned Distorted. True meta call right there from just 1 game experience with them.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;724207]And dont forget about day 2 when distorted and myselfs discussion saved the yown from lynching our 2 gunssmiths[/QUOTE]

Tbh, it felt kinda BS. :D
More than 3k posts and also tons of voting pattern information. Everything pointed out to SCV being scum. But then it was all dropped out in the window because reasoning: [I]"SCV got upset when Distorted wanted to lynch him and kept on posting for pages long"[/I]
I mean WTF?? :D
How the heck did you guys not lynch SCV because of something so minor?

Originally Posted by blinkskater

And dont forget about day 2 when distorted and myselfs discussion saved the yown from lynching our 2 gunssmiths

Tbh, it felt kinda BS.
More than 3k posts and also tons of voting pattern information. Everything pointed out to SCV being scum. But then it was all dropped out in the window because reasoning: "SCV got upset when Distorted wanted to lynch him and kept on posting for pages long"
I mean WTF??
How the heck did you guys not lynch SCV because of something so minor?

[QUOTE=blinkskater;724206]Blink provides a logical explanation as to why efe is rigger, gets lynched for it :D[/QUOTE]
I imagine every player will know that feeling sooner or later if they play enough games. Every player except Distorted. I can't imagine Distorted ever getting lynched without TPRs or role count finding him out. Pure citizens vs scumbags game - I just can't imagine a Town who would ever lynch him. Except SCV... SCV is crazy person.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

Blink provides a logical explanation as to why efe is rigger, gets lynched for it

I imagine every player will know that feeling sooner or later if they play enough games. Every player except Distorted. I can't imagine Distorted ever getting lynched without TPRs or role count finding him out. Pure citizens vs scumbags game - I just can't imagine a Town who would ever lynch him. Except SCV... SCV is crazy person.

like 3k posts in 2 game days? lol. You guys be crazy.

like 3k posts in 2 game days? lol. You guys be crazy.