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Recommendation:

Town role which creates an Item that has a Single use Alignment check comes after Confiscator in the OoO

Recommendation:

Town role which creates an Item that has a Single use Alignment check comes after Confiscator in the OoO

Added Neutral Benign, [COLOR="#00FFFF"]Arms Dealer[/COLOR]

Added Neutral Benign, Arms Dealer

Rigger nerfed and added to mafia role list.
All day vests removed. (Day users can still use armour at night to save from a vest)
Mafia given factional blacksmith ability.

Rigger nerfed and added to mafia role list.
All day vests removed. (Day users can still use armour at night to save from a vest)
Mafia given factional blacksmith ability.

To do list:

Remove Trapper
Give Mafia a Factional Blacksmith Skill.

To do list:

Remove Trapper
Give Mafia a Factional Blacksmith Skill.

[QUOTE=Supernoob;720850]sorry was kinda drunk while on here[/QUOTE]

Oh hey man I didn't see this!

I definitely reccomend FM games, you've already shown your able to debate ^^ unfortunately this game is already ongoing, so you can only reserve.

But there will be more games opening soon.

Originally Posted by Supernoob

sorry was kinda drunk while on here

Oh hey man I didn't see this!

I definitely reccomend FM games, you've already shown your able to debate ^^ unfortunately this game is already ongoing, so you can only reserve.

But there will be more games opening soon.

[QUOTE=Hybrid;719738]is solo mason possible?[/QUOTE]

No mason is possible. Durrrr

Originally Posted by Hybrid

is solo mason possible?

No mason is possible. Durrrr

Also Balance states, that multiple citizens will exist.

Also Balance states, that multiple citizens will exist.

New roles added to both mafia/town:

Multitasker
You may use up to two items at night.

Conspicuous User
You may use your item during the day.

New roles added to both mafia/town:

Multitasker
You may use up to two items at night.

Conspicuous User
You may use your item during the day.

Changes made:

Day-Use vests now in play, if you have one of these items, you may activate it during the night and the following day, you will be protected from a lynch.

Rigger has been buffed, he may now use his own rigged items without penalty, and also given an auto armour, and auto vest.

Balance states, that Mafia will have at-least one way of obtaining items.

New role added: Blackmailer (Not what you think)

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Blackmailer[/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, if that player can create items, they are then blackmailed to make an item for you.
The item in which they make are random from their capabilities.
The player is not informed.

Changes made:

Day-Use vests now in play, if you have one of these items, you may activate it during the night and the following day, you will be protected from a lynch.

Rigger has been buffed, he may now use his own rigged items without penalty, and also given an auto armour, and auto vest.

Balance states, that Mafia will have at-least one way of obtaining items.

New role added: Blackmailer (Not what you think)

Blackmailer
At night, you may target a player, if that player can create items, they are then blackmailed to make an item for you.
The item in which they make are random from their capabilities.
The player is not informed.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;719534][MENTION=8508]SuperJack[/MENTION] [COLOR="#00FF00"]Does Auditor know if the item is rigged/fake/real/disabled?
Does the Mafia have a factional kill? (I guess not, just to make sure)
Does Authenticater see disabled items? How does he see them?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

The auditor does not know it the item is rigged/fake/real.
Mafia does not have a faction kill, but balence states they will have atleast one sure method of obtaining weapons.

Authenticator selects an item in their own inventory and asks the host to check it.

Since disabler only work when someone is about to use an item, an item can never be disabled after the night has been finished. ^^

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

@SuperJack Does Auditor know if the item is rigged/fake/real/disabled?
Does the Mafia have a factional kill? (I guess not, just to make sure)
Does Authenticater see disabled items? How does he see them?

The auditor does not know it the item is rigged/fake/real.
Mafia does not have a faction kill, but balence states they will have atleast one sure method of obtaining weapons.

Authenticator selects an item in their own inventory and asks the host to check it.

Since disabler only work when someone is about to use an item, an item can never be disabled after the night has been finished. ^^

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;717507]Wouldn't town be OP if no one used items and just lynched?[/QUOTE]

Only if scum don't have someone to make themselves guns.

It's true though.
I might make it so that there are roles that can make someone lynch proof. Like a day vest.

Or make it so that the NK is lynch proof.

Your suggestions?

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Wouldn't town be OP if no one used items and just lynched?

Only if scum don't have someone to make themselves guns.

It's true though.
I might make it so that there are roles that can make someone lynch proof. Like a day vest.

Or make it so that the NK is lynch proof.

Your suggestions?

[QUOTE=Arsonist;717016][SPOILER=Pic][img]https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/063/660/The_Biting_Pear_of_Salamanca_by_ursulav.jpg?1280812955[/img][/SPOILER]

Also it would be funny if there will be 2 smith's mechanics at 1 game: veteran hybrid ([COLOR="#FF0000"]VISIT HIM[/COLOR] to gain stuff) and classic ([COLOR="#FF0000"]VISIT[/COLOR] to [COLOR="#FF0000"]GIVE[/COLOR] stuff)[/QUOTE]

Yeh I wanted to include the vet hybrid one, but it would just push this games mechanics to far, was better not to make it too complicated.

Originally Posted by Arsonist

Spoiler : Pic :

Also it would be funny if there will be 2 smith's mechanics at 1 game: veteran hybrid (VISIT HIM to gain stuff) and classic (VISIT to GIVE stuff)

Yeh I wanted to include the vet hybrid one, but it would just push this games mechanics to far, was better not to make it too complicated.

I have so far made it all up to date.

I challenge people to find loopholes, mechanical ways to break the game, and possible questions to ask.

Please do question the setup ^^

I have so far made it all up to date.

I challenge people to find loopholes, mechanical ways to break the game, and possible questions to ask.

Please do question the setup ^^

[QUOTE=OzyWho;716827]I wonder, if good and bad guys have same role abilities - how does one find the bad guys?
Role claim the town equivalent and you are safe?
It is not like a chess type of a match where both teams know their own team, is it?

I see you have coroner and detective type of roles. What about lookout/sheriff/invest?
I just think that 2 roles might not be enough for clues since high possibility town gets neither.[/QUOTE]

Forum Mafias primary scum hunting does not come from role claims and role abilities, it comes from game discussion, analysis and debate.

Most roles can easily be lied about anyway, so having 1 set of Mafia roles and 1 does not really chance much.

The detective is a lookout/detective cross.
A sheriff in this game doesn't really fit into the theme.
And investigator roles are total shite anyway. (Personal opinion)
Yet in this game there are two additional investigate roles, an auditor and an authenticator. Which sort of make up for the lack of other investigation role.
Not all roles posted will be in the game, game will have multiple citizens in it.

I hope this has answered your thoughts ^^ if not ask again.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

I wonder, if good and bad guys have same role abilities - how does one find the bad guys?
Role claim the town equivalent and you are safe?
It is not like a chess type of a match where both teams know their own team, is it?

I see you have coroner and detective type of roles. What about lookout/sheriff/invest?
I just think that 2 roles might not be enough for clues since high possibility town gets neither.

Forum Mafias primary scum hunting does not come from role claims and role abilities, it comes from game discussion, analysis and debate.

Most roles can easily be lied about anyway, so having 1 set of Mafia roles and 1 does not really chance much.

The detective is a lookout/detective cross.
A sheriff in this game doesn't really fit into the theme.
And investigator roles are total shite anyway. (Personal opinion)
Yet in this game there are two additional investigate roles, an auditor and an authenticator. Which sort of make up for the lack of other investigation role.
Not all roles posted will be in the game, game will have multiple citizens in it.

I hope this has answered your thoughts ^^ if not ask again.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;716824]That role list seems really interesting. Which ones are good guys and which ones are bad guys though?

Does the Thief always steal the item at night before his target can use it?
idea:
Replace Thief with a Hooker. Hooker role blocks + steals the item.[/QUOTE]

Might make it so that roles may be available for either side. So both sides can have any role.

Not yet decided on the OoO (order of operations)
I'm leaning towards that thief can't steal an item they are going to use.
Not too sure about roleblock & steal though.
Disabler acts as a sort of roleblock.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

That role list seems really interesting. Which ones are good guys and which ones are bad guys though?

Does the Thief always steal the item at night before his target can use it?
idea:
Replace Thief with a Hooker. Hooker role blocks + steals the item.

Might make it so that roles may be available for either side. So both sides can have any role.

Not yet decided on the OoO (order of operations)
I'm leaning towards that thief can't steal an item they are going to use.
Not too sure about roleblock & steal though.
Disabler acts as a sort of roleblock.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;716822]town smith[/QUOTE]
Cryptsmith

uh yeh babe mor plz.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

town smith

Cryptsmith

uh yeh babe mor plz.

update: added roll list

update: added roll list

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;715539]neutral smith[/QUOTE]

Oh yeh mor

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

neutral smith

Oh yeh mor

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;715532]mafia smiths[/QUOTE]

Yeh

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

mafia smiths

Yeh

[CENTER][B][U][SIZE=5][FONT=Verdana][COLOR="#DAA520"]S-FM The Smith's.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/U][/B]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia Hidden
Mafia Hidden
Mafia Hidden[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden
Town Hidden[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Arms Dealer[/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B][U]Roles[/U][/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR="#00FF00"][B]Town[/B][/COLOR]
[SPOILER=Town][COLOR="#00FF00"]Citizen [/COLOR]
You are fantastic!

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Gunsmith [/COLOR]
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun.
You may not target yourself.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Armoursmith [/COLOR]
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use night armour.
You may not target yourself.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Auditor [/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, and receive a full list of when and what items they have received.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Confiscator [/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, and remove all items in their possession from play.
The player you target is informed.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Detective[/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, and either watch who they visit, or watch who visits the player you targeted.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Authenticater [/COLOR]
During the day, you may check one item in your posession, and find out if it is [COLOR="#00FF00"]Real[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FF0000"]Fake[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FFA500"]Rigged[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Disabler[/COLOR]
At night you may target a player, if they try to use an item that night, that item is consumed and does nothing.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Tracker [/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, you will discover which role their last item or items has come from.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Shaman [/COLOR]
At night, you may activate your ability, which will cause all guns that night to fail. This ability is one use.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Multitasker [/COLOR]
You may use up to two items at night.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Conspicuous User[/COLOR]
You may use your item during the day.[/SPOILER]
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR][/B]
[SPOILER=Mafia][COLOR="#FF0000"]Blacksmith[/COLOR]
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun or a 1-use night armour.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Counterfeiter [/COLOR]
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a fake 1-use gun, or a fake 1-use armour/vest.
The fake items appear as real ones to the owner.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Thief [/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, you will receive all of their items.
The player you target is informed.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Graverobber[/COLOR]
At night, you may target a dead player, you will receive all of their items.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Agent[/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, and either watch who they visit and watch who visits the player you targeted.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Blackmailer[/COLOR]
At night, you may target a player, if that player can create items, they are then blackmailed to make an item for you.
The item in which they make are random from their capabilities.
The player is not informed.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Multitasker [/COLOR]
You may use up to two items at night.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Conspicuous User[/COLOR]
You may use your item during the day. 4 charges (as long as you have items).

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafioso[/COLOR]
You have no special abilities.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Rigger[/COLOR]
At night, you may rig a players last item.
Any attempt to use a rigged gun or rigged armour/vest will result in the item failing and the players death.
The rigged items appear as real ones to the owner.[/SPOILER]
[B][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Arms Dealer[/COLOR][/B]
[SPOILER=Arms Dealer][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Arms Dealer[/COLOR]
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun.
Your goal is to have your guns kill at-least one player on each side.
You may not gift yourself.[/SPOILER]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]Possible Feedback[/U][/COLOR]
[SPOILER=Possible Feedback]
[QUOTE]You have received [item]!
[Picture][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]All your items have been taken![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Your target was visited by [Player x, Player y.][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Your target visited [Player x][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]You have completed your audit and the results are as followed:
Night [x] Item [y][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Your targets last item/items where received from [Role x], [Role y][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]You were attacked last night![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]You have checked out [Item x] and your conclusion is that it is [COLOR="#00FF00"]Real[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FF0000"]Fake[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FFA500"]Rigged[/COLOR][/QUOTE][/SPOILER]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]Win Conditions[/U][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR]: Have 1 [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town [/COLOR]alive and eliminate all [COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR].
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR]: Have 1 [COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia [/COLOR]alive and eliminate all [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR].
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Arms Dealer[/COLOR]: Have your guns kill at-least one [COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia [/COLOR]and one [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR]. You will die once your win condition is met (if you were still alive), and the game will continue until either Town or Mafia wins.

Tiebreaking order: [COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR]>[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]Order of Operations[/U][/COLOR]

1.[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]All Gun/Vest gifts, including Blackmailer-forced gift[/COLOR]
2.[COLOR="#00FF00"]Auditor [/COLOR]
3.[COLOR="#FF0000"]Graverobber[/COLOR]
4.[COLOR="#00FF00"]Disabler[/COLOR]
5.[COLOR="#00FF00"]Shaman [/COLOR]
6.[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Armour/Vest activated[/COLOR]
7.[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]All Gun/Rigged kills[/COLOR]
8.[COLOR="#FF0000"]Rigger[/COLOR]
9.[COLOR="#00FF00"]Confiscator [/COLOR]
10.[COLOR="#FF0000"]Thief [/COLOR]
11.[COLOR="#00FF00"]Detective[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FF0000"]Agent[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#00FF00"]Tracker [/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]Mechanics[/U][/COLOR]
Days 48 hours, nights 24 hours.
Lynch: Majority (51% votes required, ends day, not mandatory).
Last Wills are allowed, death notes are not.
Private Messages are not allowed.
Mafia have a factional blacksmith ability, allowing a member to gift a gun/armour/vest in exchange for their night action, may gift self.
Mafia have a night chat.
Using an item forfeits any other night action.
You may pass one item per night to another player, this DOES NOT forfeit any other night action.
1-use guns may be used at night to attempt to kill someone.
1-use night armour may be used at night to protect yourself from a night kill.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]Rules of Conduct[/U][/COLOR]
1. [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/42151-Forum-Mafia-Rules"]Forum Mafia Rules[/URL]
2. Inactive players will be replaced by another player; if necessary, they will be modkilled.
3. To ask the Host a question, you must highlight the question [COLOR="#00FF00"]in green[/COLOR], and mention the Host.
4. Minimum of 5 posts per game day.
5. English shall be the only language used.
6. Do not post links to other websites.
7. Pictures are allowed in moderation.
8. Videos are not allowed.
9. Directly quoting any feedback or PM from the Host is forbidden.
10. Have Fun.

S-FM The Smith's.

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Town Hidden
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Arms Dealer

Roles

Town

Spoiler : Town :

Citizen
You are fantastic!

Gunsmith
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun.
You may not target yourself.

Armoursmith
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use night armour.
You may not target yourself.

Auditor
At night, you may target a player, and receive a full list of when and what items they have received.

Confiscator
At night, you may target a player, and remove all items in their possession from play.
The player you target is informed.

Detective
At night, you may target a player, and either watch who they visit, or watch who visits the player you targeted.

Authenticater
During the day, you may check one item in your posession, and find out if it is Real/Fake/Rigged

Disabler
At night you may target a player, if they try to use an item that night, that item is consumed and does nothing.

Tracker
At night, you may target a player, you will discover which role their last item or items has come from.

Shaman
At night, you may activate your ability, which will cause all guns that night to fail. This ability is one use.

Multitasker
You may use up to two items at night.

Conspicuous User
You may use your item during the day.

Mafia

Spoiler : Mafia :

Blacksmith
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun or a 1-use night armour.

Counterfeiter
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a fake 1-use gun, or a fake 1-use armour/vest.
The fake items appear as real ones to the owner.

Thief
At night, you may target a player, you will receive all of their items.
The player you target is informed.

Graverobber
At night, you may target a dead player, you will receive all of their items.

Agent
At night, you may target a player, and either watch who they visit and watch who visits the player you targeted.

Blackmailer
At night, you may target a player, if that player can create items, they are then blackmailed to make an item for you.
The item in which they make are random from their capabilities.
The player is not informed.

Multitasker
You may use up to two items at night.

Conspicuous User
You may use your item during the day. 4 charges (as long as you have items).

Mafioso
You have no special abilities.

Rigger
At night, you may rig a players last item.
Any attempt to use a rigged gun or rigged armour/vest will result in the item failing and the players death.
The rigged items appear as real ones to the owner.

Arms Dealer

Spoiler : Arms Dealer :

Arms Dealer
At night, you may gift a player of your choice a 1-use gun.
Your goal is to have your guns kill at-least one player on each side.
You may not gift yourself.

Possible Feedback

Spoiler : Possible Feedback :

You have received [item]!
[Picture]

All your items have been taken!

Your target was visited by [Player x, Player y.]

Your target visited [Player x]

You have completed your audit and the results are as followed:
Night [x] Item [y]

Your targets last item/items where received from [Role x], [Role y]

You were attacked last night!

You have checked out [Item x] and your conclusion is that it is Real/Fake/Rigged

Win Conditions
Town: Have 1 Town alive and eliminate all Mafia.
Mafia: Have 1 Mafia alive and eliminate all Town.
Arms Dealer: Have your guns kill at-least one Mafia and one Town. You will die once your win condition is met (if you were still alive), and the game will continue until either Town or Mafia wins.

Tiebreaking order: Mafia>Town

Order of Operations

1.All Gun/Vest gifts, including Blackmailer-forced gift
2.Auditor
3.Graverobber
4.Disabler
5.Shaman
6.Armour/Vest activated
7.All Gun/Rigged kills
8.Rigger
9.Confiscator
10.Thief
11.Detective/Agent/Tracker

Mechanics
Days 48 hours, nights 24 hours.
Lynch: Majority (51% votes required, ends day, not mandatory).
Last Wills are allowed, death notes are not.
Private Messages are not allowed.
Mafia have a factional blacksmith ability, allowing a member to gift a gun/armour/vest in exchange for their night action, may gift self.
Mafia have a night chat.
Using an item forfeits any other night action.
You may pass one item per night to another player, this DOES NOT forfeit any other night action.
1-use guns may be used at night to attempt to kill someone.
1-use night armour may be used at night to protect yourself from a night kill.

Rules of Conduct
1. Forum Mafia Rules
2. Inactive players will be replaced by another player; if necessary, they will be modkilled.
3. To ask the Host a question, you must highlight the question in green, and mention the Host.
4. Minimum of 5 posts per game day.
5. English shall be the only language used.
6. Do not post links to other websites.
7. Pictures are allowed in moderation.
8. Videos are not allowed.
9. Directly quoting any feedback or PM from the Host is forbidden.
10. Have Fun.