Also, I'm not sure about you but a town core HAS formed.
October 18th, 2019, 11:32 AM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Magoroth
@mm why do you think its unknown?
... Seriously? All my recent posts are about that or nearly, can't say I didn't make a case =P
Spoiler : The convo between me and Unknown; my case :
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
To Rumox.
This. This seems pro-town, but then, reading the ISO, it was never pursued.
That was never pursued either. There's a lot of "pro-town starts", but no real pushing of a line of thoughts, no consistent thoughts and reads to push. Just points being made that can look towny when took separately because you'd expect more thoughts to come, but they don't come and then the thread advances, and it buries the posts and just gives Unknown free towncred.
I could see that be a scum strategy. It's obviously not a BIG thing, but for D1, I think it's relevant enough for me to do
-vote Unknown1234
and to keep him as my 2nd vote. Might put him as first vote, depends of reaction :)
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Originally Posted by Unknown1234
The first post you quoted was actually pursued after having said it, just not to rumox. I commented on the fact that you were defending rumox only AFTER he actually commented on my post. It was scummy considering you had taken no interest into the post until someone else had brought upon the idea of it being suspicious. Not because you weren't around, since you were online during that time period.
This is the second time I asked this question, and I remember pinging Stealth about it after he had never asked me about it. Stealth addressed this point afterwards, and I felt no reason to push it afterwards once I understood how the voting system actually worked. I don't scum-read Stealth at this point in this game.
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Ummm no, it wasn't pursued lol, what comes next in the ISO is "Why are you defending the soft-claim" and then a bunch of vote testing that comes much later. Why do you lie on that point o.O did you expect me to just answer to your counterpush and not doublecheck if you were lying...?
And 2nd paragraph, okay, but that comes down to what I accused you of doing earlier, though. Can't really say it's strong content, even though it LOOKS useful.
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Originally Posted by Unknown1234
If you think that was the intention then you are really grasping at straws to try to make me look bad. I admit that I never made that post (which for some reason I thought I had) but that was my thoughts as of why I mentioned you commenting on my vote afterwards. The vote was meant to progress discussion away from meta/soft claiming, which ended up creating discussion regardless.
Once again, you choose to justify your read on blinkskater using Meta. Nobody in this game has said that blinkskaters actions are pro-town, just that "This is something blinkskater would do as town".
In my last game playing on this site (and blinkskater was town) he had focused more on tunnel pushing people than he had on his town core. He did have a town-core, but it wasn't through the same ways that he has this game including buddying people extensively without reason to do so. So if that's how you think blinkskaters meta is, I'm going to disagree with you there.
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I did say that he was doing that as town, and OBVIOUSLY THAT MAKING A TOWN CORE IS PRO-TOWN. It's a well-known playstyle lol.
The Rumox defense makes little sense if they are scummates, because at the point where Rumox is, he'd just bus him, I think. And trying to pocket someone who's likely to die is just not worth the risk.
Then you say that it's not his meta, that he tunnels... excuse me, but I think I know his meta better than you do :) as you said yourself earlier (I can get the quote if you want me to), you haven't played here since June and don't know anyone's meta. My conclusion on the Blink point here is the following :
As for the "grasping at straws"... uh no, not really, you just said yourself that in fact you hadn't made the post... that's not a straw, that just confirms my accusation is valid. Doesn't confirm that it makes you 100% scum by itself, that's true, but it does confirm that you aren't pursuing stuff even though you said you did.
Also.
@Magoroth
@blinkskater
@rumox
@Light_Yagami
@Frinckles
@Stealthbomber16
GET ME OFF THE 1ST POSITION LYNCH. There is absolutely no reason for me to be there. Playing like I am right now, pushing at people who aren't being pushed, and not really caring about my image until, well, right now (caring about not being hanged isn't the same thing lol) is NOT scummy. And don't lynch Blink either.
ill throw a distorted and actually trust you........ I will keel you post game if you're scum
but why unknown specifically
Deal ^^
See my recent post.
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Originally Posted by Magoroth
also big fu :( why u diss me for flip-flopping mm
Mhmm, gotta agree I was a bit mean here, but I meant to imply that you can't vote me for flip-flopping. Saying that you wanted me hanged wasn't exactly nice, either, you know. :)
October 18th, 2019, 11:34 AM
Ganelon
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
thats a read I also have (I lied about town reading unk bc I wanted to push him d2, and not now)
so...... if you're up for an unknown Lynch I can swing that way too
My vote isn't on you to be lynched MM. It was but I'd rather lynch the actress right now to make game-solving easier.
At any rate, start town-telling and convincing them you're not scum.
Yeah, that's what I've been doing since.. well, the start of the game, I think, but it doesn't look like it worked ;-;
The thing is, you have me as your 2nd lynch priority right now. Which makes me sad, because I'm first lynch priority in consensus, and you only put Blink over me. Since Blink isn't lynch priority of many people, it's pretty much as if you had me as 1st priority...
October 18th, 2019, 11:36 AM
Ganelon
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Lol
He's not pocketing my vote, I've actually been meaning to do this for some time, just wanted to do this d2 and not d1. but my thoughts have changed.
October 18th, 2019, 11:37 AM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami
Look Here As MM Pockets Mags Vote..
Look here as Light doesn't even address my Unknown read and just discredits it... What do you think about my case on him?
And by what do you think about the case, I mean : "what are you detailed and objective thoughts on the case". Not "I Think You're Scum So Your Case Is Shit", please.
October 18th, 2019, 11:38 AM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I did say that he was doing that as town, and OBVIOUSLY THAT MAKING A TOWN CORE IS PRO-TOWN. It's a well-known playstyle lol.
The Rumox defense makes little sense if they are scummates, because at the point where Rumox is, he'd just bus him, I think. And trying to pocket someone who's likely to die is just not worth the risk.
Then you say that it's not his meta, that he tunnels... excuse me, but I think I know his meta better than you do :) as you said yourself earlier (I can get the quote if you want me to), you haven't played here since June and don't know anyone's meta. My conclusion on the Blink point here is the following :
As for the "grasping at straws"... uh no, not really, you just said yourself that in fact you hadn't made the post... that's not a straw, that just confirms my accusation is valid. Doesn't confirm that it makes you 100% scum by itself, that's true, but it does confirm that you aren't pursuing stuff even though you said you did.
Also.
@Magoroth
@blinkskater
@rumox
@Light_Yagami
@Frinckles
@Stealthbomber16
GET ME OFF THE 1ST POSITION LYNCH. There is absolutely no reason for me to be there. Playing like I am right now, pushing at people who aren't being pushed, and not really caring about my image until, well, right now (caring about not being hanged isn't the same thing lol) is NOT scummy. And don't lynch Blink either.
How do you not see that making a "town core" is not pro-town if the person making the group is scum. The fact that blinkskater has put no time into even considering Efekannn02 and Light_Yagami's alignment outside of meta is exactly why I think he's trying to get people to vote with him. As for blinkskater bussing Rumox, I strongly disagree that if they were teammates he would flat out bus Rumox and leave him to die. In the event that he did, and that you end up being town, he already would have succeeded in saving rumox by convincing people to vote on you. So he is most likely scum with one of you, just haven't decided which.
I'm not going to argue with you about meta anymore. The reason I didn't focus on the vote was because I never thought it made you scummy enough to push for it. It was meant for me to give me something to start reading people, not to be pushed over. I already explained why I don't consider scumpainting people to be pro-town, so I'm not going to explain again why I didn't push you over something I didn't consider strong enough.
October 18th, 2019, 11:38 AM
Efekannn02
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
All Of You Should Get Lynched
October 18th, 2019, 11:39 AM
Light_Yagami
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Look here as Light doesn't even address my Unknown read and just discredits it... What do you think about my case on him?
And by what do you think about the case, I mean : "what are you detailed and objective thoughts on the case". Not "I Think You're Scum So Your Case Is Shit", please.
I Didnt Discredit Anything.. I Just View Him In A Different Light Maybe.. He Seemed To Me Pretty Townie..
October 18th, 2019, 11:42 AM
Ganelon
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
the issue with that statement is that it's only scummy if the person in question is actually scum.
getting a town core is not a scummy thing in and of itself.
not scumhunting is though.
October 18th, 2019, 11:45 AM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
the issue with that statement is that it's only scummy if the person in question is actually scum.
getting a town core is not a scummy thing in and of itself.
not scumhunting is though.
My entire point was that he wasn't trying to scum-read people and was instead trying to get people to vote with him. He also goes from saying MM would never be a good day 1 lynch to wanting him lynched first. I don't see his play coming from town at all.
October 18th, 2019, 11:46 AM
Ganelon
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
flip-flopping is not scum indicative though
and getting a town core can be a valid alternative to scumhunting. poes are a thing.
October 18th, 2019, 11:46 AM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
How do you not see that making a "town core" is not pro-town if the person making the group is scum. The fact that blinkskater has put no time into even considering Efekannn02 and Light_Yagami's alignment outside of meta is exactly why I think he's trying to get people to vote with him. As for blinkskater bussing Rumox, I strongly disagree that if they were teammates he would flat out bus Rumox and leave him to die. In the event that he did, and that you end up being town, he already would have succeeded in saving rumox by convincing people to vote on you. So he is most likely scum with one of you, just haven't decided which.
I'm not going to argue with you about meta anymore. The reason I didn't focus on the vote was because I never thought it made you scummy enough to push for it. It was meant for me to give me something to start reading people, not to be pushed over. I already explained why I don't consider scumpainting people to be pro-town, so I'm not going to explain again why I didn't push you over something I didn't consider strong enough.
I mean, I don't put much outside of meta to read Light and Efe. Both are really anti-Mafia (like anti-the-game). They don't play normally, they can't be read normally, and they are always objectively strange (to not say WEIIIIRD, heh blink? :) ) and scummy to some extent. But in this game, right now, because of meta, Light is town. I don't really agree on Efe meta part, though, but that's another story, and it doesn't make Blink scum for it.
Also, what you are saying about Blink is the following :
It would be pro-town if Blink was town.
However, Blink is not town.
Therefore, it is not pro-town.
Infering that what Blink did is not pro-town by that, you then conclude that :
Blink did not do anything pro-town.
(Implied : Experienced/skilled people who don't do pro-town things are scum.)
Therefore, Blink is scum.
The obvious issue with this is that you are using something to prove itself (that blink is not town). So your point against his town core strategy is : "It's scummy because he's scum"... which is, unless you were a Cop with a red check (which is impossible), absolutely crappy lol.
October 18th, 2019, 11:47 AM
Ganelon
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
pretty much. lol
October 18th, 2019, 11:47 AM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
the issue with that statement is that it's only scummy if the person in question is actually scum.
getting a town core is not a scummy thing in and of itself.
not scumhunting is though.
^
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Originally Posted by Unknown1234
My entire point was that he wasn't trying to scum-read people and was instead trying to get people to vote with him. He also goes from saying MM would never be a good day 1 lynch to wanting him lynched first. I don't see his play coming from town at all.
That still revolves around the assumption that he's scum. That assumption is however not based on anything, which makes your point null and void.
October 18th, 2019, 11:47 AM
naz
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Magoroth
@naz
given that there was no n0, actress CANNOT have disguised yet, correct?