Suggestion:Adding Lynching Neutrals Benigns Is Punishable In Rules List

I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason

Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason

Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?

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:thinking: yeah letz do this

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason

Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?

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Link to the thread? I'm skeptical this is the only reason a punishment would be handed down.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-8198926

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-8198926

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A report from 6 months ago? Really? I guess I'm being trolled but whatever:

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Previous Offenses
Efekannn:
Griefing & Intentional Gamethrowing (Watch-list x4)
Cheating/Additional Information (Watch-list x3)

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He sets a LW claiming intent to throw the game, and cursing whoever killed him

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And that was after 2 sets of watch listings also. -- Intent to gamethrow with a previous history is not good. Had nothing to do with you killing a neutral, I'd find it difficult to punish players for playing badly only if they're trying to mess with players for the hell of it.

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Additional Notes:
I find sufficient evidence to support the griefing claim, but he ultimately did play to win and did so. The ban will be lifted at next update.

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And it was overturned anyway lol.

I'm not on the reports team, Arrow may be of a different opinion but I think you're not looking at this in the right context. I guess the reports team initally felt you went after the survivor for no reason other than he said he was you or wasnt you or named dropped you or something. That I guess can be constituted as a no reason player attack ~ which has varying levels of complexity case by case depending on how the games impacted.

Bottom line, if you're mayor lynching people for the hell of it and cause a game loss or a near miss you run the risk of ending up on here regardless of the roles you lynch ya feel

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Originally Posted by Elixir

A report from 6 months ago? Really? I guess I'm being trolled but whatever:

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And that was after 2 sets of watch listings also. -- Intent to gamethrow with a previous history is not good. Had nothing to do with you killing a neutral, I'd find it difficult to punish players for playing badly only if they're trying to mess with players for the hell of it.

And it was overturned anyway lol.

I'm not on the reports team, Arrow may be of a different opinion but I think you're not looking at this in the right context. I guess the reports team initally felt you went after the survivor for no reason other than he said he was you or wasnt you or named dropped you or something. That I guess can be constituted as a no reason player attack ~ which has varying levels of complexity case by case depending on how the games impacted.

Bottom line, if you're mayor lynching people for the hell of it and cause a game loss or a near miss you run the risk of ending up on here regardless of the roles you lynch ya feel

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holy shit
efe just got fucking terminated
PogChamp

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

holy shit
efe just got fucking terminated
PogChamp

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Not Really

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Originally Posted by Elixir

A report from 6 months ago? Really? I guess I'm being trolled but whatever:

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And that was after 2 sets of watch listings also. -- Intent to gamethrow with a previous history is not good. Had nothing to do with you killing a neutral, I'd find it difficult to punish players for playing badly only if they're trying to mess with players for the hell of it.

And it was overturned anyway lol.

I'm not on the reports team, Arrow may be of a different opinion but I think you're not looking at this in the right context. I guess the reports team initally felt you went after the survivor for no reason other than he said he was you or wasnt you or named dropped you or something. That I guess can be constituted as a no reason player attack ~ which has varying levels of complexity case by case depending on how the games impacted.

Bottom line, if you're mayor lynching people for the hell of it and cause a game loss or a near miss you run the risk of ending up on here regardless of the roles you lynch ya feel

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Well Uhm Fine...

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason

Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?

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Punished for lynching neutrals?

Isn’t that fine if they are not in your faction

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Originally Posted by Elixir

A report from 6 months ago? Really? I guess I'm being trolled but whatever:

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And that was after 2 sets of watch listings also. -- Intent to gamethrow with a previous history is not good. Had nothing to do with you killing a neutral, I'd find it difficult to punish players for playing badly only if they're trying to mess with players for the hell of it.

And it was overturned anyway lol.

I'm not on the reports team, Arrow may be of a different opinion but I think you're not looking at this in the right context. I guess the reports team initally felt you went after the survivor for no reason other than he said he was you or wasnt you or named dropped you or something. That I guess can be constituted as a no reason player attack ~ which has varying levels of complexity case by case depending on how the games impacted.

Bottom line, if you're mayor lynching people for the hell of it and cause a game loss or a near miss you run the risk of ending up on here regardless of the roles you lynch ya feel

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With all due respect, he lynched a survivor claim vs a exe claim from 11. Either roles could have been MM if you think about it logically. Also, the pms and other stuff were coming from 2 players who are NOT confirmed, so their pms hold little weight.

Yes, his punishment was eventually overturned, but he really shouldn't have been punished at all. If you look at the merits of the case, he didn't lynch a doctor/sherif/det claim. He lynched someone who was a neutral claim. That at the door should be grounds for ignoring the report.

There were 2 claims for a role only one could be, he believed 11. Perhaps he was trolling, but he played to win as was found by arrow in the end. Now, the one det should not have quit. And they wouldn't have been in danger at all.

But thats my take.
@Efekannn02 no we don't need to add any punishments for lynching neutrals, you just need to act better in games and stop trolling so much.

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Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

With all due respect, he lynched a survivor claim vs a exe claim from 11. Either roles could have been MM if you think about it logically. Also, the pms and other stuff were coming from 2 players who are NOT confirmed, so their pms hold little weight.

Yes, his punishment was eventually overturned, but he really shouldn't have been punished at all. If you look at the merits of the case, he didn't lynch a doctor/sherif/det claim. He lynched someone who was a neutral claim. That at the door should be grounds for ignoring the report.

There were 2 claims for a role only one could be, he believed 11. Perhaps he was trolling, but he played to win as was found by arrow in the end. Now, the one det should not have quit. And they wouldn't have been in danger at all.

But thats my take.
@Efekannn02 no we don't need to add any punishments for lynching neutrals, you just need to act better in games and stop trolling so much.

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Then Why Did I Got Punished At All?

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

Then Why Did I Got Punished At All?

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Because people make mistakes when interpreting the rules. Arrow fixed it.

I agree you shouldn't have been punished at all.

As you cant really in good faith grief someone who is outside of your faction, and openly admits they're outside of your faction.

We make mistakes sometimes. Lynching an NB is not punishable under normal circumstances.

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Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

With all due respect, he lynched a survivor claim vs a exe claim from 11. Either roles could have been MM if you think about it logically. Also, the pms and other stuff were coming from 2 players who are NOT confirmed, so their pms hold little weight.

Yes, his punishment was eventually overturned, but he really shouldn't have been punished at all. If you look at the merits of the case, he didn't lynch a doctor/sherif/det claim. He lynched someone who was a neutral claim. That at the door should be grounds for ignoring the report.

There were 2 claims for a role only one could be, he believed 11. Perhaps he was trolling, but he played to win as was found by arrow in the end. Now, the one det should not have quit. And they wouldn't have been in danger at all.

But thats my take.
@Efekannn02 no we don't need to add any punishments for lynching neutrals, you just need to act better in games and stop trolling so much.

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If his last will had intent to throw, and with a big history (hey its efekannn, do you ever play the mod?), well that's the reason he got banned for one little week...

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

Then Why Did I Got Punished At All?

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The staff is human. Humans make errors. The fact is: the staff is really good because errors don't happen often. And to be fair, you deserved it for all the borderline gamethrowing, for circumventing rules with obvious intent to do it, and for making several games trash.


Another thing. You technically can get infracted for lynching a NB if it clearly harms your team's winning chances, and if you have shown intent of harming them. It's possible, but very rare (Unless you guilty a jester you know he is, and that you're mafia or something like that...)

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Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

Because people make mistakes when interpreting the rules. Arrow fixed it.

I agree you shouldn't have been punished at all.

As you cant really in good faith grief someone who is outside of your faction, and openly admits they're outside of your faction.

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Hm. What if you are Witch, and that you make the Mafioso suicide in the only goal to get Forever Alone achievement when there are still many town members alive? It clearly harms your chances of winning.

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Hm. What if you are Witch, and that you make the Mafioso suicide in the only goal to get Forever Alone achievement when there are still many town members alive? It clearly harms your chances of winning.

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But you aren’t game throwing as you don’t need mafia to win

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

If his last will had intent to throw, and with a big history (hey its efekannn, do you ever play the mod?), well that's the reason he got banned for one little week...

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Actions are more important than implied intent based off a lw that ended up meaning nothing

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

The staff is human. Humans make errors. The fact is: the staff is really good because errors don't happen often. And to be fair, you deserved it for all the borderline gamethrowing, for circumventing rules with obvious intent to do it, and for making several games trash.


Another thing. You technically can get infracted for lynching a NB if it clearly harms your team's winning chances, and if you have shown intent of harming them. It's possible, but very rare (Unless you guilty a jester you know he is, and that you're mafia or something like that...)

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That’s poor logic. Well you were bad in the past or I think you d8d sonething, so now when you do nothing wrong you should be unjustly punished.

That’s like saying I run stop signs all the 5ime and one time I legally park my car somewhere but it is towed anyway. My car should not have been towed and it doesn’t matter 2hat I’ve done in the past. Justice does not come by committing an unjust act and citing other reasons for why injustice is now just because you think someone should be punished for unrelated things because he wasn’t then but should be now. No.

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Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

Because people make mistakes when interpreting the rules. Arrow fixed it.

I agree you shouldn't have been punished at all.

As you cant really in good faith grief someone who is outside of your faction, and openly admits they're outside of your faction.

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Originally Posted by PowersThatBe

But you aren’t game throwing as you don’t need mafia to win

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Not gamethrowing, since it's not playing to lose. However, it severly harms your chances of winning intentionally.