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Also it'd be great to get more elaboration from Varcron beyond "I read Kovath's posts and I agree with Frinckles." It would help me "explain myself" as you've asked.
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If Mag was really town, why didn't mafia just hammer him for a mislynch?
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I don't think he was tailored and I could lynch Frinckles today
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naz
If Mag was really town, why didn't mafia just hammer him for a mislynch?
It's possible both Mag and MM were/are town I guess? Only world I can see.
It is kinda weird that for the amount of people that agreed Magoroth was scummy-ish at least, votes were hard to come by and mostly ended up being from people not present at EoD.
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naz
I don't think he was tailored and I could lynch Frinckles today
He was tailored.
He played badly as town.
He played badly as mafia.
You can pick, I'm going with the first. I shoot into the crowd of people 10/10 times as sniper.
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Kovath
Frinckles's logic is incomprehensible to me.
Frinckles must believe that Magoroth was tailored town if he thinks I'm scum. Then we have the following four worlds:
Me town + MM town, Me town + MM scum, Me scum + MM town, Me scum + MM scum
But the Me scum + MM town world makes no sense, as then it was a town lynch regardless and I could have voted a lurker or done nothing with no controversy; ergo, there is no world in which I am a superior lynch to MM, and flipping MM would also be informative about my alignment if MM is town.
So, either Frinckles really badly wants to lynch me either knowing I'm not scum or just to generate new lynch targets, or he actually does believe I blatantly played EoD as scum screwing around in a TvT lynch.
Assuming a tailor, our first two flips are likely useless.
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And admittedly, I'm pretty fucking lost.
We need to rely on scumreading almost exclusively unless someone has a mechanical lead and only a handful of people are contributing. So I'm gonna park my vote on MM unless something changes.
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Kovath
Magoroth flipped as disloyal - I believe that this includes the Irish person.
So, to think I am scum, you must believe that Magoroth was Irish, because I was the vote that pushed Magoroth over the edge. If we were full-scum-team together, I could have gone for MM, whose voters represented most of the people active at EoD. Same thing if Magoroth was sniper: why go for a (possibly) softing sniper over MM, when I would know that there was a sniper? Similarly, if I was sniper, why would I go for the person softing its existence?
Bussing is possible but way less relevant given what I said about MM. It's not too hard to chalk it up to last-hour flipping a coin or something to that effect.
Or magoroth was the sniper. Which is still entirely likely.
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Frinckles
Did you check mag last night or something?
lol no
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naz
Yeah that aged poorly as fuck ngl. Its looking like my reads were pretty much reversed
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Im down for the "Mag was tailored and MM is scum" train because it means I was right yesterday
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Kovath
It's possible both Mag and MM were/are town I guess? Only world I can see.
It is kinda weird that for the amount of people that agreed Magoroth was scummy-ish at least, votes were hard to come by and mostly ended up being from people not present at EoD.
Are you suggesting those present at EOD are scummy? that seems to be your connotation here.
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I believe Light is somewhat scummy we well tbh
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Varcron
Are you suggesting those present at EOD are scummy? that seems to be your connotation here.
Not sure how you reached this conclusion. There are multiple ways to read what I observed. Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left. Or maybe the actual level of opposition to Magoroth was indeed much lower than it seemed from chat, and then one could proceed tentatively via isolating a group from which to pick some scum (as there were more than just the 3 + 1 scum players posting at EoD).
I'd also appreciate if you'd answer my question. Are you sheeping Frinckle's read on me or do you have any separate thoughts of your own?
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Kovath
Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left.
I was considering this as well. Naz and the Lawyer gently pushing Mag stood out.
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You can be town today, I disagree with your vote change significantly but there are scummier people.
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Kovath
Not sure how you reached this conclusion. There are multiple ways to read what I observed. Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left. Or maybe the actual level of opposition to Magoroth was indeed much lower than it seemed from chat, and then one could proceed tentatively via isolating a group from which to pick some scum (as there were more than just the 3 + 1 scum players posting at EoD).
I'd also appreciate if you'd answer my question. Are you sheeping Frinckle's read on me or do you have any separate thoughts of your own?
I have thoughts of my own on some of your posts that lead me to think that you reek of scum, but we'll see how the day plays out from here.
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I really hope we have a vig and they make a nice kill tonight. Feel free to kill Light. Tbh
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Varcron
I have thoughts of my own on some of your posts that lead me to think that you reek of scum, but we'll see how the day plays out from here.
Okay.
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Frinckles
You can be town today, I disagree with your vote change significantly but there are scummier people.
I just stated why the world(s) you believe in make MM a MECHANICALLY better lynch, I still don't know what you're doing. You also had some weird logic day 1 when Othello-connecting me with Magoroth, as you gave Magoroth no towncred throughout the day except for that one post; this along with calling me towny fairly consistently and using that, in turn, to throw my name into the prospective-lynch-pile throughout the day.
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Okay, maybe not mechanically per se, but regardless the only one world in which I am better to lynch requires a -very- strong assumption about how I would play as scum.
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Kovath
Magoroth flipped as disloyal - I believe that this includes the Irish person.
So, to think I am scum, you must believe that Magoroth was Irish, because I was the vote that pushed Magoroth over the edge. If we were full-scum-team together, I could have gone for MM, whose voters represented most of the people active at EoD. Same thing if Magoroth was sniper: why go for a (possibly) softing sniper over MM, when I would know that there was a sniper? Similarly, if I was sniper, why would I go for the person softing its existence?
Bussing is possible but way less relevant given what I said about MM. It's not too hard to chalk it up to last-hour flipping a coin or something to that effect.
Isn't this what you're doing now? You are basically now trying to divert attention towards MM as you stated in this very post, basically making him the better lynch target.