Originally Posted by
Iced_Monopoly
First lookover -
Typically a 'Hidden' setup implies the roles list is hidden and players dont know the composition or its ratio of roles, so im a little confused as to what part of your setup is 'hidden' besides maybe the neutral slot?
The main part that’s “hidden” is the special mechanic and what the power roles can do
Also in regards to hidden:
why does the citizen role have a number of [HIDDEN]'s in it?
Refer to the document, I think that you missed the bottom part. The top part is a copy/pasted version of what I put in the workshop, the bottom part reveals what the hidden things mean.
Why does roles like mayor and GF have [HIDDEN] - what does this mean?
refer to the document; you know what i’ll delete the part where it still says [hidden] in place of stuff so you’re directly at the part with explanations.
What does it mean when an investigator can tell when someone is a hidden? Also this in conjunction with framer.
the [HIDDEN] (white) is in place of some other text.
Hypnotist?
Neutral?
OoO?
refer to doc, sorry for confusion
This is going to need a lot of clarification regarding the use of the word hidden, especially in regards to differentiating between information that is hidden from roles, a type used to detect roles, information hidden from the game, information from interactions etc.
Easier seen on the document: [HIDDEN] (white) means there is a mechanic/result/text hidden, while [HIDDEN] (red) is the result of a janitor’s cleanings, that shows up in the graveyard.
The numbers next to roles like vigi and crusader, are these representing the damage done to a role?
yes
If so, can Crusader kill godfather since vigi cant?
yes
Some roles have +1 defense in their card while others have +1 night immunity. Is there a difference between these two?
no, there is no difference. Every role starts with +1 unless otherwise stated; if it hits 0 they die.
Sheriff
- Disguise immune roles appear as town. What constitutes disguise immune. Who is disguise immune. What does disguise immune mean given 'disguiser' intends to copycat town roles, who would already appear town to a sheriff?
I think I meant to put discover* immune roles, nice catch
Busdriver
- There are already a number of roleblock immune targets. Does this role NEED to be RBI?
No, it does not: however in lieu of the updated OoO I feel this is an important addition
Veteran
-Listed as RBI (Roleblock immune), but appears first in OoO, implying that he kills before anyone could roleblock him. Seems redundant. Recommend removing his RBI
He cannot be roleblocked even on nights when he does not alert: possibly confirming him to a role blocker
Bodyguard
- I assume the bodyguard can only kill 1 attacker, so a double attack would still kill his charge?
- Night vest on bodyguard, does that mean the bodyguard can survive an attack while still killing the attacker if the attacker has targetted his charge? or is it only for protecting the bodyguard from attacks on himself and not his charge?
Yes, bodyguard can only kill 1 attacker, so a double attack would kill who he is guarding. IF: an attack occurs which would cause 2 damage to the person being guarded, the bodyguard kills off the attacker but the one being attacked will still die. What constitutes an attack: a player visiting another that would cause the person to lose 1 or more health/defense. 1 use night vest means you can protect yourself from being attacked for one night, you cannot guard another player for that night.
Investigator
- Back to the [HIDDEN] issues. What is meant by this card. Are you withholding what it is the investigator will receive in feedback, or are you implying he can see hidden roles like gf and mayor?
meant to
Sheriff
- Again? I assume this is a typo for lookout?
Mayor
- The high vote count concerns me in this game given the number of PTRs who can potentially confirm themselves, leading to a town landslide. Would recommend dropping this vote to a +2
I feel it should be somewhat difficult to confirm a town (check the full document) and it is furthermore only for a day
Crusader
- -2?
Fixed: “deals -2” (also added to bodyguard role); does not protect the person in question, will not roleblock visitor, can kill ambusher. Fixed OoO
Doctor
- Can doctor use his self protection/healing abiltiy while simultaneously visiting someone to heal them?
No
- Does doctor self heal also provide +3 to doctor, or only +1? Looking for interactions with town killing town here.
Think I’m going to change doctor to +1 immunity
- If doctor is providing defense/Immunity to people, he should appear in OoO above killings, otherwise he'd be defending already dead players.
Whoops :P
Citizens
- [HIDDEN] spam? What?
See document >_<
Mafia in general
- If the mafia lose their killing role, how do they conduct night kills with their remaining roles?
See document >_<
Godfather
- "Mafia will start with a killing role" "Will be sent for night kill if mafioso is role blocked". Can mafioso and GF be in the game together if mafia only starts with A killing role?
See document >_<
Consig
- [HIDDEN]?
See document >_<
Disguiser
- I assume this means that "Should a detective investigate this role, the results provided to the detective will be that of whomever the disguiser targetted previously"
Yeah >_<
- There is also no detective role in game, do you mean investigator? THere is no publicly revealed investigator card, so what kind of feedback does the disguiser present
See document >_<
- How many charges does this role have? If he is accidently bussed into disguising as a teammate, or unluckliy hits the neutral, can he change who he wants to copycat.
No
- Will this role be notified via feedback of what feedback he has copycatted? or will he have to blindly hope he hit town and then guess what he needs to claim if an investigator or sheriff calls him out as having specific feedback?
That would make disguiser a bit overpowered:: he will not be notified via feedback
Forger
- Only ability is to alter last wills, something not everyone uses, and with the possibility of the role existing, something that people will probably dismiss entirely. In conjunction with the need to visit the dead player, can expose 2/3rd of the mafia team for little payoff. Would recommend giving this slot something else to make it less useless, or combining its ability with another mafia role and nerfing the role so as to not be OP.
Honestly kind of there to act as a dud >_< maybe see the document
Janitor
- Yet another use of [HIDDEN] with a different meaning. This game needs a cleanup and clarification as to what hidden means in what circumstances.
Fixing the colors so that any [HIDDEN] (white) means that information is being withheld, while only the [HIDDEN] by janitor represents what is being revealed when a player dies.
Framer
- Do you mean sheriff results, as there is no detective?
sheriff/investigator*
- [HIDDEN] Again.. See investigator questions. Is HIDDEN in this case a tag or identifier like mayor/GF, or are you withholding information.
See document >_<
Ambusher
- Same question as crusader, '-2?'
Deals. Crusader and ambusher can kill each other, can kill bodyguards, as it is RNG. (see updated OoO
Hypnotist
- [HIDDEN] ...
See document >_<
- Can the hypnotist choose what feedback they give to their target, or is it randomised.
Can choose
- Can the hypnotist send more than 1 feedback response from the list to their target?
No, 1 feedback message max.
- Does this role have charges, or can the hypnotist target someone each night.
No limit on usage
Neutral Evil
- This needs some clarification as to what youre doing with this faction of the game
See document >_<
OoO
- Just some previously mentioned things about the doctor
- The neutral evil having an ability activating 2nd in the order. Does this imply that the neut evil is a roleblocker? Is there more than 1 type of neut evil role, or does this confirm its a predetermined role.
See document >_<
Special Mechanics
- [HIDDEN] These need addressing. Putting multiple hiddens in different sections of the OoO is confusing.
See document >_<
General notes
- Really really need to clarify as much of the hidden meanings as you can in this setup.
- I saw this on the docs, it is also covered in hiddens. You need to present a document where all of the 'hiddens' are uncensored so that this game can be properly checked for balance issues. I dont recommend sharing this document with anyone outside of the FM staff team either.
- Once again, sorry about the delay, we're all quite busy, but we'll try to get this game up asap pending the clarifications.
