S-FM 231: Black Flag Nightless 3.0

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Originally Posted by Spruance

I don't think we should lynch hybrid or marsh today because they are active and if we kill one the thread will turn dead. Do I think they are town? They are just as likely to be scum as the afks are lol.

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Yea, our mr. afk has come. Gonna post once or twice then gone for the whole day ? x)

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Originally Posted by Hybrid

Yea, our mr. afk has come. Gonna post once or twice then gone for the whole day ? x)

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Eh not a whole lot to talk about imo

Effective immediately, @Omegasaur has replaced Firebringer!

hey hey hey, party people

time to review everything! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Originally Posted by Hybrid

Superjack read the win circumstations... For town to win, 4 citizens must see only 1 goon alive; for mafia to win 2 goons must see 4 citizens alive. In total we have 7 citizens. Now we only have 2 mistake chance to made or else mafia will win this game. Also if you keep your agressive behavior like that i will have no choice but to vote you right now.

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Still catching up, but damn this is hilarious. Threatening to vote people is worthless. Especially after there is already some doubt on you, and you seem to almost instantly retract your vote after making it.

Your vote is worthless. I mean, unless its not, unless this is coming from a mentality of "my scum buddies are gonna back my vote up", which imo actually looks to be the most probably case here given how youve been playing.

-vote Hybrid

Not as wild as my rlvg theory, but its still looking pretty good

Aight, nothing else really stands out to me this game thus far. I was expecting to come back to a little more, but im quite happy with looking at hybrid or stealth. I couldnt make sense of the post that hybrid made where stwalth changed his mind about him. Given stealth said it was coherent and decent, and I couldnt see it, ima just write it off as bussing or trying to avoid the spotlight. Either way, both seem like bad eggs to me.

Where is our obvtown @Mesk514 gone?

@Spruance @Hybrid @Omegasaur any of you still around? Also @RLVG was here this time yesterday. Someone come chat

To make this 100% crystal clear, my vote on SB16 isn't based in some personal enmity towards the guy or his playstyle. It's just his wallposting style makes him a very threatening scum when unchecked, as it allows him to select only the parts of history he wants to talk about and omit talking about things other people want him to talk about. It also allows him to take a lot more care in what he writes than in a conversation. He can essentially influence the game from an ivory tower.

I honestly didn't know school had just started for him. That sucks, and is not his fault... But it's not my fault either XD. I just want to win the game. No hard feelings.

Anyway, I'm still not satisfied by SB16's posts. I still want to hear his thoughts on
1) SJ: I find it odd that he had nothing more to say about SJ's reads, or the vote SJ placed on him.
2) Iced: Iced's recent posts are directly relevant to what SB16 has said so far.
3) RLVG: In particular, I wanna know if SB16 thinks if mine and SJ's suspicions on RLVG are well-grounded.

Thus far, he's mainly given thoughts on Hybrid and a few on Marsh. The thoughts on Marsh are nice, but ultimately everything he's said on Hybrid can be reasonably backtracked on with the pretext of "oh I have a history with Hybrid and we have fundamental disagreements so all thoughts I give on him are skewed".

If @Stealthbomber16 gives these thoughts, there will probably be enough info to make some satisfying reads on Stealth. So he'd no longer be top priority.

-unvote

But if I do not get these thoughts the vote goes back.

Also, SJ and SB seem to be on at similar times. They should be able to have a conversation.

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Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly

Aight, nothing else really stands out to me this game thus far. I was expecting to come back to a little more, but im quite happy with looking at hybrid or stealth. I couldnt make sense of the post that hybrid made where stwalth changed his mind about him. Given stealth said it was coherent and decent, and I couldnt see it, ima just write it off as bussing or trying to avoid the spotlight. Either way, both seem like bad eggs to me.

Where is our obvtown @Mesk514 gone?

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Iced's second round of posts sucks ass. The criticisms of voting strategy he made against Hybrid can be made against Marsh, except Marsh has acted way more defensive and basically sheeped Hybrid's strategy. It's strange to me that, of the pair, Iced would pick to go after Hybrid rather than Marsh.

His criticism of SB16 and Hybrid in the post I'm quoting essentially boils down to "I struggled to understand Hybrid's points, so I'm going to assume there was no underlying coherence and SB16 and Hybrid are both shit".

I would have rather let someone else respond to this first, but I felt the need to point this out ASAP. It's a shame noone was on to chat with Iced, but he's gotta do better than this.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

I ain't unvoting SB unless he gives me a satisfying response, so I guess your votes are gonna be on me for at least 12-24h, and perhaps the entire day lol.

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So you're parking your vote on someone who haven't talked much. Effective way of making them chat though, if they are actually around. Otherwise, useless usage of your vote.

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Originally Posted by Hybrid

I kinda want to threaten people to talk so that way we can get info. Later...

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So your logic is that you want to do something about it and then you just leave and not do anything? Dat procrastination NotLikeThis

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

Yeh im down with lynching Mesk.

I like Sprunce. I can't see him being a scum player and pretending to post what a scum player would do,.

I Dont like RLVG. Asking useless questions to look thoughful and useful.
I am wary of you. Cause Siance

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Meta bullshit 101 RLVG : I always ask questions, may it be retarded, helpful, useless or weird.
Science says, SuperJack is trying to get met o look bad by the very most subtle means. Hon hon hon, subtle rivalry.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

RLVG's question wasn't so bad in the original context, but I see what you mean. And he's been tapping into the forum several times since and hasn't actually talked when ACTUAL CONVERSATION can be had, rather than dissecting Iced's outlandish conspiracy theories.

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See, this may be a problem with different timezones. I've been asleep for a while and a lot of stuff were happening while I were asleep.

Spoiler : Stealthbomber's big wall of quotes :

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Heyyyy I'm here gu-



:(




I can help with this.



Hybrid once again opens the game up with a hypocritical post. Telling someone not to vote so early on but voting in his first post.
/sigh



This post strikes me as odd. It's a particularly defensive way of stopping an alleged gambit that hasn't really come into fruition yet.



Thing is this is a nightless game and mafia can already communicate through their daychat.



I had a couple more sentences on hybrid but uh this post says what I wanted to better so I'm just going to say look at this. Look at it. You done looking at it up and down? K good.



Jebaited



Jebaited
School starting up today inhibited my ability to post, as I mentioned was happening on the signup thread. Not apprecaiting this tunnel before I even make a post.



the fuck?



the fuck?



tbh sj only rolls scum



yea you reserved your first post for me




Just because we're not a scum team for once doesn't give you the right to vote me.

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All that shit, you vote Hybrid instead of pressuring Marshmallow or YZB for more shit? Just so I understand the priority, you're thinking of them as an associate of sorts?
Wouldn't it be better to pressure the guy in question so that their team mate would have to be more aggressive in subtle defendings?
I dunno on stealth's train of thought here.

Of course, immediately after the vote, a quick argument quickly turns to an unvote instead of pressuring the weird guys. What even.

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Originally Posted by Hybrid

Agreed, but to stop a force, you have to counter force it. So they won't stop random voting until they realize that we are not suppose to hurry that much instead we have to think about it and make the rightest choice. Or else after 2 citizens died they will be like "Oh no... We are almost losing this game we cannot make even a single mistake" then *puff* Town loses the game and mafia gets a sweet victory.

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We don't have to strictly follow a 'strategy', with something obvious-sounding like a countermeasure. The point is discussions to have gambits, WIFOM and et cetera, and eventually one will slip up or something.

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Originally Posted by Spruance

I don't think we should lynch hybrid or marsh today because they are active and if we kill one the thread will turn dead. Do I think they are town? They are just as likely to be scum as the afks are lol.

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This line of thought is toxic. Hey man, just because someone is active in the chat doesn't necessarily mean that they can't be lynched.
The game won't turn up dead either and there's regulations on activity. If anything, it could increase activity and not everyone has properly checked in yet because of day 1 mentality.

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

Effective immediately, @Omegasaur has replaced Firebringer!

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As you can see, regulations on activity. :love:

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I'm gonna vote Stealth, his train of thought doesn't seem like a town mind, doesn't seem to have a focused priority when it seems like there should be one, he makes a vote - receives a post - and immediately unvotes with full agreement. While I shouldn't argue about that post in itself, the speed of it and how quick to back down is just kinda odd considering the lead up to it.

-vote Stealthbomber16

Since this guy is around...

@ysb25

Hey, what's your thought about the exchange between Hybrid and Stealthbomber in the context that the two could be possible scum together?

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Originally Posted by RLVG

Since this guy is around...

@ysb25

Hey, what's your thought about the exchange between Hybrid and Stealthbomber in the context that the two could be possible scum together?

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I was about to go out so I don't have the time to read the entirety of your post or reread the SB/Hybrid interaction again. But when I read it I didn't get that vibe from the interaction at all. Hybrid's hostility regarding being voted did not seem contrived at all and fit his personality well.

If they're both scum, then the interaction had to be staged with lots of commanding and planning. But I wouldn't expect Hybrid as scum to lay out such an elaborate plan to make such a natural-looking interaction, nor can I imagine him following a long list of instructions from SB16.

The more reasonable hypothesis to me is that SB16 as town had yet another disagreement with Hybrid, or SB16 as scum is exploiting his meta to poke at a town Hybrid. I'd pick one of those scenarios cuz of Occam Razor and stuff.

I'll reread it again and finish reading your post when I get back to verify my first impressions.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

Iced's second round of posts sucks ass. The criticisms of voting strategy he made against Hybrid can be made against Marsh, except Marsh has acted way more defensive and basically sheeped Hybrid's strategy. It's strange to me that, of the pair, Iced would pick to go after Hybrid rather than Marsh.

His criticism of SB16 and Hybrid in the post I'm quoting essentially boils down to "I struggled to understand Hybrid's points, so I'm going to assume there was no underlying coherence and SB16 and Hybrid are both shit".

I would have rather let someone else respond to this first, but I felt the need to point this out ASAP. It's a shame noone was on to chat with Iced, but he's gotta do better than this.

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I didnt see MM doing this as badly as hybrid. Unless theres something i glanced over, hybrid was moving/unvoting, and threatening a lot more, and uselessly. Picking one of the other doesnt detract from it still being a terrible strategy, and somewhat scummy, especially given how much he seems to believe his vote is going to do to someone.

The fact that instead of avtually reading into the suspicious behaviour of hybrid and his over confidence in his vote (and by extension admitting that MM was doing the same, which should raise double flags) you instead decided to claim my post sucked ass because i missed the actions of 1 person. Thats some quality deflection of attention.

Second point stands as is. SB gives himself far to much room to distance himself from hybrid after just finishing going after him. It reads more like he was told to back off in scumchat rather than a misunderstanding, especially given how flustered the recanting was.

I care less about that though, im scum reading pretty heavily from your first point. Willing to pair a MM/yzb or hybrid/yzb scum team at this point.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

If they're both scum, then the interaction had to be staged with lots of commanding and planning. But I wouldn't expect Hybrid as scum to lay out such an elaborate plan to make such a natural-looking interaction, nor can I imagine him following a long list of instructions from SB16.

The more reasonable hypothesis to me is that SB16 as town had yet another disagreement with Hybrid, or SB16 as scum is exploiting his meta to poke at a town Hybrid. I'd pick one of those scenarios cuz of Occam Razor and stuff.

I'll reread it again and finish reading your post when I get back to verify my first impressions.

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Where is this natural looking interaction. I lnow where were looking, and nothing about it reads to be natural. The whole thing appears (to me) to either be a coordinated fuck up, or a solo fuckup. Eitherway im seeing scum in there somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly

Still catching up, but damn this is hilarious. Threatening to vote people is worthless. Especially after there is already some doubt on you, and you seem to almost instantly retract your vote after making it.

Your vote is worthless. I mean, unless its not, unless this is coming from a mentality of "my scum buddies are gonna back my vote up", which imo actually looks to be the most probably case here given how youve been playing.

-vote Hybrid

Not as wild as my rlvg theory, but its still looking pretty good

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So I am just suspicous cause I am the only one thinks like "We don't have that many texts to be questioned and answered so if we go a wrong vote, we would lose"
Also IF I were to be scum, why would I try so hard someone no, anyone not to get lynched that much?

And also I just woke up yes it's 4:20 pm atm x.x

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Originally Posted by yzb25

I was about to go out so I don't have the time to read the entirety of your post or reread the SB/Hybrid interaction again. But when I read it I didn't get that vibe from the interaction at all. Hybrid's hostility regarding being voted did not seem contrived at all and fit his personality well.

If they're both scum, then the interaction had to be staged with lots of commanding and planning. But I wouldn't expect Hybrid as scum to lay out such an elaborate plan to make such a natural-looking interaction, nor can I imagine him following a long list of instructions from SB16.

The more reasonable hypothesis to me is that SB16 as town had yet another disagreement with Hybrid, or SB16 as scum is exploiting his meta to poke at a town Hybrid. I'd pick one of those scenarios cuz of Occam Razor and stuff.

I'll reread it again and finish reading your post when I get back to verify my first impressions.

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1st Occam's Razor doesn't work on human relationships
2nd I am not that trolly Hybrid anymore, I act myself less fun but whatever

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Originally Posted by Spruance

Eh not a whole lot to talk about imo

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Yes, 7 Pages of talk "not a whole lot"

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Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly

Where is this natural looking interaction. I lnow where were looking, and nothing about it reads to be natural. The whole thing appears (to me) to either be a coordinated fuck up, or a solo fuckup. Eitherway im seeing scum in there somewhere.

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Actually I don't think you are acting bad. Since I am the one who is trying to lead you guys to only 1 strategy and this might seem really strange. I am trying to people talk as well and my recent 2 fmes were really bad, trolly and fun. So that's understandable.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

So like, in BFN 1 they just played the original vanilla game, as you say. Calix, DB and Mesk rolled scum together. They completely crushed an apathetic town with strong coordination and careful play.

Then Calix and DB were like "Hey DWs, I know we just rolled the town, but we clearly were at a disadvantage. You can take our word for it because we're clever. Pls add an op button that lets scum sabotage the lynch at day-end and kill someone we choose. Scum needs a way of rekking town leaders."

And DW was like "k".

So then in BFN 2 scum had that op button... except that time town rekt the scum. XD

So the has essentially been game buffed for scum when scum steamrolled, then nerfed for scum when town steamrolled. XD

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omfg im dying right now. this is too accurate.

brb, reading... this is where im at...