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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
The reason I regard the Kenny/Duck bussing as a strategically bad play is as follows: Assume Agent did not find SK on n1 (what you'd probably assume) and that Kenny got lynched and "proved" Duck as not-mafia. The d3 scenario would look something like this:
Town
Town
Town
SK
Duck (mafia)
With one of the towns or Duck possibly cleared from being SK. In this scenario, if town is really convinced Duck is almost definitely not-mafia, then SK will almost definitely stab Duck on n3 because he'd think Duck is a safe non-mafia bet. If Kenny was lynched without the play, then Duck would likely not get stabbed and would be in a decent position to convince the remaining town he's the SK on day 4.
Obviously, if the play fails and Duck doesn't get much credibility, then Kenny died for nothing.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
@
yzb25
:)))))))))))))))))) =? =?=??=-
dude I'm so sorry for getting something so critical XD
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
holy shit Gyr your slot is screaming town. This is gonna be a tense one lmao
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
What's the point of making a list like that if it doesn't distinguish your reads? And Ken's slot is "unsure"? You had reads on everyone else even when you say that I was like an AFK that just said quack day 1 which isn't true at all. You're trying to make it seem like I'm a useless player day when when I legit had a strong SK read on Joey which turned out to be true even thought I was second guessing myself after the fact. You couldn't commit to a read on the "Ken" slot but can alter the truth to make a read on myself?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
The reason I regard the Kenny/Duck bussing as a strategically bad play is as follows: Assume Agent did not find SK on n1 (what you'd probably assume) and that Kenny got lynched and "proved" Duck as not-mafia. The d3 scenario would look something like this:
Town
Town
Town
SK
Duck (mafia)
With one of the towns or Duck possibly cleared from being SK. In this scenario, if town is really convinced Duck is almost definitely not-mafia, then SK will almost definitely stab Duck on n3 because he'd think Duck is a safe non-mafia bet. If Kenny was lynched without the play, then Duck would likely not get stabbed and would be in a decent position to convince the remaining town he's the SK on day 4.
Obviously, if the play fails and Duck doesn't get much credibility, then Kenny died for nothing.
Maybe I could have got stabbed. I guess Kenny's aim was to give Duck towncred, regardless of the SK switching his kill to him. (cause he guessed he wouldnt be his first choice???)
Still, I'm not 100% sure Kenny always aimed for this and didn't change his plan after seeing your claim. I guess it'll wait until game ends and we read Mafia chat.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Okey, I think this will help you:
If we were like right now but that Kenny claiming Duck is SK situation didn't happen... would you hesitate between Duck or me?
If not, and your reason for hesitation is Kenny's claim then he actually did a very good job.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
holy shit Gyr your slot is screaming town. This is gonna be a tense one lmao
I don't get how he can try to attack me with reasons that are not true, Me and you both say that never happened, then you say that he's screaming town? Does making big long posts make you a town member? I mean If that's what it's going to take for us to win the game I can ask the host to freaking extend the day so I can make a big colorful post too.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
tbh I'd still hesitate. As I said in the big post I'm not trying to make sense of Kenny's strategy because Kenny's strategy is batshit crazy.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LuckyDucky
What's the point of making a list like that if it doesn't distinguish your reads? And Ken's slot is "unsure"? You had reads on everyone else even when you say that I was like an AFK that just said quack day 1 which isn't true at all. You're trying to make it seem like I'm a useless player day when when I legit had a strong SK read on Joey which turned out to be true even thought I was second guessing myself after the fact. You couldn't commit to a read on the "Ken" slot but can alter the truth to make a read on myself?
Even if you had a few posts more about Joey or whatever I ignored them quite a lot. It's hard for me to pay attention to what a new player that said Quack in his first 10 posts was saying at that time.
Not going to discuss my lynching list cause I feel I can do whatever I wish lol. Ken's slot was unsure because I considered aamirus had a lot of potential.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Even if you had a few posts more about Joey or whatever I ignored them quite a lot. It's hard for me to pay attention to what a new player that said Quack in his first 10 posts was saying at that time.
Not going to discuss my lynching list cause I feel I can do whatever I wish lol. Ken's slot was unsure because I considered aamirus had a lot of potential.
Michael may have had potential early on too though, surely.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
tbh I'd still hesitate. As I said in the big post I'm not trying to make sense of Kenny's strategy because Kenny's strategy is batshit crazy.
It's normal to hesitate, I also hesitated between Duck or Joey. THE THING IS: I always knew I was going to lynch Joey and I think in that situation you would know Duck would be your lynch choice.
It's magic.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
Michael may have had potential early on too though, surely.
Dude, wtf? Are you discussing this? I just came from a game where aamirus actually made me interact and feel like I was being useful while I didn't know these new players and they were quite inactive. Please.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I've genuinely townread duck for a while. My only reason for scumreading him in the day 2 post thingy was because I feared he may be SK. I really don't see his play as scummy. He has, within his point of view, been very consistent the whole game afaik.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Even if you had a few posts more about Joey or whatever I ignored them quite a lot. It's hard for me to pay attention to what a new player that said Quack in his first 10 posts was saying at that time.
Not going to discuss my lynching list cause I feel I can do whatever I wish lol. Ken's slot was unsure because I considered aamirus had a lot of potential.
Aamirus had way less posts then Joe and I, but just because she's an established player she gets more credibility than someone you don't know? I can't agree with that type of thinking coming from a town players perspective.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Dude, wtf? Are you discussing this? I just came from a game where aamirus actually made me interact and feel like I was being useful while I didn't know these new players and they were quite inactive. Please.
I was not inactive what the hell man
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LuckyDucky
Aamirus had way less posts then Joe and I, but just because she's an established player she gets more credibility than someone you don't know? I can't agree with that type of thinking coming from a town players perspective.
@yzb25
Do you fucking town read this? He's legit pulling things out of his ass. THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF THINKING COMING FROM A TOWN PLAYERS PERSPECTIVE.
It's true, I only can NOT GIVE A FUCK as scum. Being Town makes me way more lenient and friendly.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LuckyDucky
I was not inactive what the hell man
Compared to the rest: yes, you were.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
If as you said my slot is screaming Town I have little more to do. It's that vs Kenny's weird plan that actually went fantastically.
@yzb25
please be aware of the timer. I don't want this to be resolved in a 50/50.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
im aware I have 3 mins yeah
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Be aware that I agreed with Banana to lynch Duck first and then have a 2 v 1 with Banana, you and me (but I also said I found that very unlikely cause my town read on Banana was soliod at that moment (Day 3) )
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I don't know, I find it fucking weird that I have to think what posts make me towny and then give them to you. ITS NOT OK.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Meh it's just a game
-vote Gyrlander
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Gyrlander has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
Gyrlander (2 [L-0]): LuckyDucky, yzb25
LuckyDucky (1 [L-1]): Gyrlander
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
This reminds me on my second game I played where I was a Mayor and we were at Lylo and I had the last choice
Spoiler: I mislynched and we lost. Rip.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Game End
Gyrlander has been lynched.
Further comments coming. Post-game chat is open.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
@Gyrlander
dude I'm so sorry T_T T_T T_T
ggwp
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We did it Ken!
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
@
Gyrlander
dude I'm so sorry T_T T_T T_T
ggwp
I think you made the right decision based on how the game was played =)
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Give me the freaking scum chat.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I will never play Mafia the same.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Give me the freaking scum chat.
You'll be disappointed. ( ・ั﹏・ั)
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
@
Gyrlander
dude I'm so sorry T_T T_T T_T
ggwp
I really hope you thought until the end and the "Welp it's just a game" was a troll.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Give me the freaking scum chat.
https://discord.gg/KWXP5Bt
Scum chat and dead chat are here.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I will never play Mafia the same.
I'm curious about your thoughts. I liked your play during D2 the best, and would have wanted for you to be alive during D3 and maybe give me a hand convincing Yzb.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
I'm curious about your thoughts. I liked your play during D2 the best, and would have wanted for you to be alive during D3 and maybe give me a hand convincing Yzb.
I played day two that way in order to check if yzb was real. Once I established he was, I needed to find the bus. It wasn't coming from you or Banana so the PoE was simple. It wasn't followed.
A scum Frinckles would never destroy his towncred. I was the highest townread here aside from yzb.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
And I was about to reconsider killing myself but Banana would stay tunneled on me so that was impossible.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LuckyDucky
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We did it Ken!
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU
Was rooting for you in the dead chat! <3 Well played little duck!
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Lets get the next game going so we can lynch Stealth day 1 again
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Post-Game Comments
Good game everyone! This was fun to watch (and sometimes disappointing). A few comments:
- Kudos to Joey for getting out of a really bad start on D1. I thought he was going to get obliterated on the first day.
- Why did Stealthbomber get lynched, exactly? I'm still confused :D
- Mass seppuku from town when there was no Serial Killer left might have been suboptimal play, although I can understand wanting to prove your point by being flipped.
- Kudos to the scum team and to Kenny for coming up with such a strange game plan based on crazy bussing that ended up actually working, and that decided the game (after all, it's the reason Yzb didn't vote against Duck : he deemed that it made no sense for Duck to be scum with Kenny).
- I don't think I can give my host MVP vote to one specific player. A lot of people really shined in their times. That is why I will give two MVPs.
Town MVP : Gyrlander. Definetly. Early on, his theories were on point, even though they were mostly considered as conspiracy/troll theories. He then defended himself at LYLO with good charisma and really good arguments, and good efforts. I'm honestly impressed, and am seeing the same kind of Gyrlander I had seen a long, long time ago, in which he carried a scum team but won't remember it. Good job. I would say that I'm sorry for your loss, but it would look weird lol.
Mafia MVP : LuckyDucky. RELEASE THE QUACKEN!!! A great management of a very special strategy from scum. Lesser activity later on seemed to be the right call, since yzb dug his own paranoia grave; I believe that was planned. Either way, very well played.
Have fun discussing! I will update the FM Ladder with points related to this game. Thanks for playing!
P.S.: We are still looking for volunteers to host the next Ladder game. Please PM me or write in the Answer Hall if you'd like to host the next Ladder game!
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
sorry again for being an afk poop. Congrats to kenny and ducky!
What an interesting game.
I am starting to see a trend now with mafia winning by picking crazy strategies that seem utterly ridiculous, so that the town players don't believe anybody would seriously implement that strategy.
For a towny in gyrlander's position, is there any good counter to the bias that must have formed in yzb's mind? Or do you just have to say hats-off to the scumteam for pulling off such a risky move on d2?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
SB16 was lynched to see if there was a connection to my scumread on Aamirus / Banana. Amy, Duck and Banana werent getting lynched so I had to go with my second best guess.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
aamirus
sorry again for being an afk poop. Congrats to kenny and ducky!
What an interesting game.
I am starting to see a trend now with mafia winning by picking crazy strategies that seem utterly ridiculous, so that the town players don't believe anybody would seriously implement that strategy.
For a towny in gyrlander's position, is there any good counter to the bias that must have formed in yzb's mind? Or do you just have to say hats-off to the scumteam for pulling off such a risky move on d2?
I blame myself. I should have just stayed towny. Duck shouldnt have been able to get into that position. I just had to consider the possibility of a yzb / banana play at the time.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
SB16 was lynched to see if there was a connection to my scumread on Aamirus / Banana. Amy, Duck and Banana werent getting lynched so I had to go with my second best guess.
me being afk d1 affected things, which I hate. I'd like to think if I could have kept playing that I would have earned a strong town read but now we can never know
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
aamirus
me being afk d1 affected things, which I hate. I'd like to think if I could have kept playing that I would have earned a strong town read but now we can never know
I was sad you afk'd
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
aamirus
me being afk d1 affected things, which I hate. I'd like to think if I could have kept playing that I would have earned a strong town read but now we can never know
I also had to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt despite it not last long. It's cool. You were studying right?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I also had to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt despite it not last long. It's cool. You were studying right?
game started on Monday night, I played actively
On Wednesday I had a big presentation for my research advisor, so after I got home on Tuesday I spent the rest of the day working on that
On thusday I had an assignment due by 2pm, so I spent the rest of Wednesday working on that.
I then posted saying I would be able to play the next day (final real-life day of the in-game day).
When I woke up on Thursday, I had an email from my research advisor asking if we could meet again on Friday to discuss the results of the followup things he asked me to do after our meeting on Wednesday (which I wasn't planning to even start until the weekend...)
So then I messaged MM asking to be replaced, but he didn't see my message until the day ended
Ironically, after Friday I didn't have anything to do for like half a week, and then I just regretted subbing out :(