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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
@aamirus
as mayor, whta would ur situation be with lynch/no lynch?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
@Noz_Bugz
why are you not a good lynch for today?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
If you are elected mayor, what will you do with the day 1? lynch, no lynch?
there has to be a lynch. It'd be LYLO tomorrow even if we skipped today
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Miller claiming gives us a confirmed town. any CC and we can get a confirmed scum D1/D2. if all sheriffs coordinate who to check, we can prolly get a 50/50 on D3/D4 as well since either 1 sheriff will have to lie and 1 person will pick up a framed target.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon
Miller claims = confirmed town.
leaving 6 sheriff claims.
1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.
Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
If you are elected mayor, what will you do with the day 1? lynch, no lynch?
Havent Completely Decided That Yet However, Im Leaning Towards A
@Ganelon
Lynch
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
aamirus
???????????????
It's plurality without majority. That means whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be elected mayor. Voss stated in the opening post that you're supposed to PM him who you would want lynched if you get elected mayor. There will be no day extension after mayor is elected I'm pretty sure.
Oh You Get It.. I Want The Most Bang For The Buck.. Every Second Counts..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon
Miller claims = confirmed town.
leaving 6 sheriff claims.
1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.
Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.
theoretically we would have 3 red checks. (with framer) if we do not hit a D1 mafia lynch.
if we have 4, well then we know there is at least 1 sheriff in the fake red checks. and from that, we can hopefully narrow down who towns are.
if we DO get a maf lynch D1 - then we will have 2 red checks. leaves a 50/50 for framed target. unless the mafia decides to lie and say some1 else is red which we instnatly know then 1 of the 3 red checks is lying, so our mafia is a 33% chacne now. down to 1 of 3 people.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
theoretically we would have 3 red checks. (with framer) if we do not hit a D1 mafia lynch.
if we have 4, well then we know there is at least 1 sheriff in the fake red checks. and from that, we can hopefully narrow down who towns are.
if we DO get a maf lynch D1 - then we will have 2 red checks. leaves a 50/50 for framed target. unless the mafia decides to lie and say some1 else is red which we instnatly know then 1 of the 3 red checks is lying, so our mafia is a 33% chacne now. down to 1 of 3 people.
the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.
if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.
if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.
BUT, that would mean 1 of the mafia would lie and say his red check is green. so we would now know to look in the green pool for a mafia since we would have 1 less red check.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.
if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.
You Are Insisting Upon Yourself Distorted.. Hmmm... Hmmmm...
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?
what?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
Miller
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Sheriff
Framer
Goon
Miller claims = confirmed town.
leaving 6 sheriff claims.
1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.
Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.
true but if we skip today and lynch tomorrow and get it wrong the game is over. And i'd assume in that scenario it'd be 50/50 with 1 mafia being accused by a legit sheriff and the other mafia accusing a townie. So even then it's not an ideal situation. But I do like your idea of coordinating the checks. Town points for that as it really hurts the mafia. Hadn't even thought of that. But we need the miller to claim.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
But I feel like doing this strategy we can narrow down WHERE the mafia are. if its 1 in the green checks and 1 in the red. or both in green, both in red ect.
if we have 1 maf left, we should be able to find out which section he is in, thus confirming like half the game in the process (2-3 towns)
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Light are you scum this game?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?
Would That Be Game Throwing I Wonder?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Sure :)
You don't have enough posts to say that... and more importantly, you're using the relative inactivity as a reason to post without adding actual content. All you did was question Damus with me, and say you agreed with me and Mag about the Miller strategy. This looks like a scum trying to pocket me/Mag, and even though Damus says things that are completely weird to me, you are straight up SCUMMY. -vote against Aamirus
I think Damus is town who tries to create discussion and has a weird point of view, even if I wouldn't give him mayor at all.
However, Aamirus is playing like a scum : carefully repeating what other people say, and poking on activity while being "inactive", or more accurately "falsely active", herself.
I really dislike this post. Its weak content and shade. The info in this post isn't supported by quotes from the game, there is intentionally ambiguous wording like "weird POV" and MM is being overly explanatory where it isn't necessary.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Would That Be Game Throwing I Wonder?
The miller claiming sheriff removes any information that town can gather through night actions. so roleclaims become completely useless. if the miller does not claim today, red checks DO NOT MATTER, meaning sheriff claims do not matter at all anymore - thus its pretty much a standard all citizen 2 mafioso setup.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Damus_Graves
Light are you scum this game?
As Well That Depends On What You Mean? Because, Just Because, The Fact That A Town Reads As Scum By Sheriff On Day Start. Does That Make Him/Her Scum?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
The miller not revealing now, if we hit a mafia on a D1 lynch he will obviously claim miller before being lynched, leading to the miller having to cc and out himself either way. So, a miller hiding is providing the mafia with an out for later. by D2, miller claims no longer matter. we lose the potential to get a confirmed town slot.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
The miller not revealing now, if we hit a mafia on a D1 lynch he will obviously claim miller before being lynched, leading to the miller having to cc and out himself either way. So, a miller hiding is providing the mafia with an out for later. by D2, miller claims no longer matter. we lose the potential to get a confirmed town slot.
so
MILLER MUST CLAIM TODAY
the longer the miller waits, the more time town loses on analyzing possible the wrong people and creating the wrong reads/PoE
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
so
MILLER MUST CLAIM TODAY
the longer the miller waits, the more time town loses on analyzing possible the wrong people and creating the wrong reads/PoE
Will You Take The Red Pill.. Or The Blue Distorted?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Will You Take The Red Pill.. Or The Blue Distorted?
are you claiming miller?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Id Actually Like To Hear From
@Noz_Bugz
Again..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
aamirus
are you claiming miller?
Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Damus_Graves
I really dislike this post. Its weak content and shade. The info in this post isn't supported by quotes from the game, there is intentionally ambiguous wording like "weird POV" and MM is being overly explanatory where it isn't necessary.
@aamirus
what do you make of Marshalls post?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
aamirus
Thank you for accepting the challenge youngling. However, you will need to stay in the thread for longer than 30 seconds in order for us to have a discussion. Unlike you, I am here and ready to discuss with anybody (there's just been nobody else besides me on), so I would say your claims about inactivity are pretty weak.
"all you did was question Damus with me"
Son, I questioned Damus long before you, and repeatedly, and he just kept dodging/ignoring the question. You piped in about Damus one time (apparently not having read the rest of the thread at the time). The thing I said I agreed with you on is that the Miller should reveal (and again, I had also posted as much BEFORE you said anything about it). So, everything you've claimed to have done I did FIRST. If you want, I can post quotes for you since apparently you're not reading the whole thread (which only has like 10 posts in it? wtf MM?)
@Damus_Graves
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?
Oh Wait It Would Have To Be Sheriff So Lets Surmise For A Moment That I Am Miller.. And Everyone Else Will Claim Sheriff.. Based On That Who Is Scum?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Are You? If Not Whats Your Claim?
No, I am not the miller. Are you the miller?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
aamirus
No, I am not the miller. Are you the miller?
You Tell Me Who You Think Miller Is..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Oh Wait It Would Have To Be Sheriff So Lets Surmise For A Moment That I Am Miller.. And Everyone Else Will Claim Sheriff.. Based On That Who Is Scum?
based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)
It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.
If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)
It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.
If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.
like, imagine we have 4 ppl with red checks. thts not possible, so obviously there is 1 mafia in that pool claiming a red check. now say there is only 2 red checks (with 2 mafia alive) then obviously 1 of the mafia is saying a green check. so 1 of the people saying green check is lying. if we hvae 2 mafia alive still D2, and we have the appropriate number of red and green checks, then we have a mafia in both red and green checks. so 1 each. so that doesnt help too much, but it allows us to look at alignments between the correct groups of people.
It also, once again, eliminates the mafias ONLY role they can try to fake claim in Lylo to keep themself alive.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)
It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.
If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.
And Thats Why The Miller Who Ever That Person Is.. Should Want Everyone To Cast The Ballots Properly When The Time Is Right.. Every Second Counts..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
And Thats Why The Miller Who Ever That Person Is.. Should Want Everyone To Cast The Ballots Properly When The Time Is Right.. Every Second Counts..
the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.
a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.
The setup is staged to night actions being confusing for town and easily manipulated by mafia. we need to remove their ability to do that best we can to make our night actions actually mean something.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
the miller NEEDS to reveal. any other strategy is making all roles irrelevant.
I Think The Person Has... But Someone Is Just To Blind To See.. You Ever Heard Of Hansel And Gretel?
*Throws A Bread Crumb*
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
I Think The Person Has... But Someone Is Just To Blind To See.. You Ever Heard Of Hansel And Gretel?
*Throws A Bread Crumb*
I'm looking for the hard claim on it. Since i feel like damus has been softing it also.
btw
@Damus_Graves
whats your thoughts on it all? you have been pushing for no1 to talk about miller all game so far and not talking at all about it. well my thoughts are 100% the opposite, so curious where u stand with it all. You came in replying to posts then left when u got to mine. you were quoting the ones right before it, then right after (u quoted ur own post but it was after my posts).
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
If I had to pick a PoE right now it would be Ganelon, Noz, Damus.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
I'm looking for the hard claim on it. Since i feel like damus has been softing it also.
btw
@
Damus_Graves
whats your thoughts on it all? you have been pushing for no1 to talk about miller all game so far and not talking at all about it. well my thoughts are 100% the opposite, so curious where u stand with it all. You came in replying to posts then left when u got to mine. you were quoting the ones right before it, then right after (u quoted ur own post but it was after my posts).
echoing the thoughts of everyone in the thread but damus staying quiet. IDK I think he's miller and going to claim at EOD
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
a miller staying hidden damages the town. a miller revealing removes a PoE and gives everyone a confirmed pure opinion. if you are miller yagami, u need to claim it. the sooner the better so we can focus on the CORRECT PEOPLE in our PoE.
*Rolls Eye*
Take Your Sun Glasses Off..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
Framer
Frame other people for murder, changing most investigation results on them. Can frame as town or mafia.
so it looks like framer can NOT self frame
@Voss
is that correct?
however, him being able to frame as town/mafia does pose some form of issue with 2 maf left. He can frame his mafia buddy as town AND fake claim another red check. so the red/green check balance wouldn't be interrupted. but that would still mean the framer would be red checked. and with a maf green checked, that would make the red check now believable because the only way we could come to the results we come to is IF the mafia frame their partner as town - literally we would only have 1 red check, and that would be on the framer.
but if somehow the partner of the mafia is the person who checks the framer, and he lies then we have ALL green checks. im trying to wrap my head around these scenarios lol
@Voss
if the mafioso/goon is lynched today, and just the framer remains - can he frame AND carry out the kill?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
Framer
Frame other people for murder, changing most investigation results on them. C
an frame as town or mafia.
so it looks like framer can NOT self frame
@
Voss
is that correct?
however, him being able to frame as town/mafia does pose some form of issue with 2 maf left. He can frame his mafia buddy as town AND fake claim another red check. so the red/green check balance wouldn't be interrupted. but that would still mean the framer would be red checked. and with a maf green checked, that would make the red check now believable because the only way we could come to the results we come to is IF the mafia frame their partner as town - literally we would only have 1 red check, and that would be on the framer.
but if somehow the partner of the mafia is the person who checks the framer, and he lies then we have ALL green checks. im trying to wrap my head around these scenarios lol
@
Voss
if the mafioso/goon is lynched today, and just the framer remains - can he frame AND carry out the kill?
I Legit Already Said That..
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
aamirus
echoing the thoughts of everyone in the thread but damus staying quiet. IDK I think he's miller and going to claim at EOD
EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.
if mafia want to try to fake claim it today, they literally have to out 1 of them. tht leads to a guaranteed day 1 or day 2 mafia lynch. putting the game in a great PoE for town, even if we do mislynch the wrong claim D1.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
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Originally Posted by
Distorted
EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.
However, Nobody Has Claimed Thus Far.. But Im Wondering If Miller Claims Sheriff Would That Be Throwing Depending On The Reasons?
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
I would have claimed it in my first post if I were Miller.
I didn’t want to discuss Miller strategy because it should have been obvious what any good player would do as Miller. I was holding a tiny hope Mafia would claim Miller and get ccd even though I knew that was low tier play and unlikely to happen.
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Re: MillerCop CHOOSE YOUR OWN Vote System
I think Miller is between Ganelon and Light.
Light has strong scum equity and Marshall is pinging me as scum with the most recent post of his.
Everyone else doesn’t ping me as scum like those two do