Just a note, that wasn't salary it was yearly earnings.
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This is why I believe you're trolling. Men make up the power, men do the hiring. Women are paid less because they are viewed less valuable to a company than a man is. That's why... can you really be this ignorant? We give you hard statistics and you ask "but then why do we hire men?" Da fuq?
completely bullshit, there are plenty of woman hiring managers. Men do not have the power, what does that even mean? There are no systematical wage gap. Regardless of who is in power, they want to earn the most money. There would be companies with nothing but female employees. People are not paid less because of gender.
What is stopping women from rising up? The only thing that matters is equality of opportunity, and the only thing that is stopping women is themselves. Women on average choose easier jobs, and work less hours. They are the primary caregivers and they end up choosing being the primary caregiver over dedicating themselves to their job.
People who have the drive and determination + skills will excel.. it does not matter their gender. I personally know hundreds of females that have gotten promotions to CFO/Vice president positions over equally skilled males. They chose to put in the time and effort, and they rose to the top, simple as that.
Duck quote statistics and sources or your points are unproven. The other side has quoted statistics you have not
once again this topic is common sense, I could quote statistics but it is not needed and a waste of time. People are paid what they are worth. Companies want to maximize profit, they will do what is in their best interest, and if they were able to get equal labor for 20% cheaper, they would hire exclusively females. Seeing women as less valuable is not valid as the goal is to maximize shareholder wealth. Nothing is stopping or discriminating against women but for themselves.
It's not common sense because you have no idea what you're talking about. you "personally" knowing hundreds of women who have risen to the top means nothing, you have no statistical or empirical data to prove your claims. However, there is vast quantities of empirical data to suggest that what we are saying is true. You are using your personal experiences and applying them to the world. Your hundred of women friends are nothing comparatively when you understand that there are 157 million women in the USA and the vast majority of them are not given the same opportunity, pay, promotions, etc because of their gender.
You are choosing to ignore facts because, you, a straight (probably white) male under the age of 40 who thinks he knows everything, congrats you belong to the class of people who literally have all of the privilege, and you have the audacity to sit here and make claims about others experiences. You've done nothing to educate yourself, you just think you're right, and fuck us for trying to help you to understand.
Just so you know
Everyone is going to refuse to take you seriously if you refuse to back up claims with evidence
In any proper debate calling something common sense never is a reason to believe a claim and you will be harshely criticized by your opponent and even the moderator and judges in some cases
Killing all your enemies is just common sense
I mean who wants to have people who may end up being a thorn in their side really
See calling something common sense is garbage in a debate
Duck gets paid with dick in the ass because that's what he's worth.
This is not a source per se, but a harvard economics professor breaking down the factors you need to control for when looking at the pay gap. She explains what factors need to be controlled, and why.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-...radio-podcast/
Honestly just posting a source with x makes more in each field is a joke to statistics.
duck, shut up
In a lot of modern culture this is still the case. Mormons for example consider the male to be the head of the household and the leader, and a woman's "role" is to care for children and the home.
Its no surprise to me that Utah, where the LDS church has a firm grip on the state government and Mormon culture affects everyone, has the second highest wage gap between men and women in the nation.
AFAIK you have yet to provide any of your citations stating otherwise? If you post sources countering my claims, I will gladly post my real sources and not go off my experiences. You are still unwilling and unable to refute the question of why is every company not purely women then?
What about trump's policies do you not like? I think I saw you ranting about him being a bigot? or something along those lines, can you explain to me other than those points.
The best answer is keep half of the world allowed Trans-gender
While the other half not v(x.o(<
Problem solved v)o.o)>
I never meant to offend anyone and I am really sorry if I did. I just stated my opinion on the matter.
I'm pretty sure that no one in this thread has said that homosexuality is a mental illness. Either I missed a post, or you retards are talking shit. If you guys are referring to me, I never said that homosexuality was a mental illness. I said that transexuals have a mental illness.
Nice ad hominem, retard.
We shouldn't help gender identity disorder patients by allowing them to have sex changes and the sort. That would be the equivalent of allowing schizophrenics to do whatever they want because they believe they're Obama or some shit. Shouldn't we be looking for ways to help these people get with the norm?
Some trannies that undergo sex change may be satisfied with the results, but some experience depression and anxiety because they have to take hormones or undergo surgery. They feel that it's not "natural". Of course this may be a case-by-case basis, but what I'm trying to say is that even if society "accepts" them, they will still be prone to depression, mood swings, etc. because of the hormones in their body. Now I'm not an expert, but it sounds like there should be a better way to help transexuals rather than patting them on the back and let them freak out society.
https://psy-gradaran.narod.ru/lib/clinical/DSM5.pdf
According to the DSM V* put forth by the American Psychiatric Association(the largest psychiatric organization in the world composed of both American and International members)
[The DSM is the standard guide used worldwide to diagnose psychiatric conditions and their possible treatments and recommendations.]**
Technically, Ash's statement is correct.
See Page 452[page 486pdf]
Spoiler : Gender Dysphoria :
Whelp that copypastaed thorribly. Read the actual pdf if interested.
The APA has however made the following statements
APA POSITION STATEMENTS
The American Psychiatric Association:
1. Recognizes that appropriately evaluated transgender and gender variant individuals can benefit greatly from medical and surgical gender transition treatments.
2. Advocates for removal of barriers to care and supports both public and private health insurance coverage for gender transition treatment.
3. Opposes categorical exclusions of coverage for such medically necessary treatment when prescribed by a physician.
The American Psychiatric Association:
1. Supports laws that protect the civil rights of transgender and gender variant individuals.
2. Urges the repeal of laws and policies that discriminate against transgender and gender variant people.
3. Opposes all public and private discrimination against transgender and gender variant individuals in such areas as health care, employment, housing, public accommodation, education, and licensing.
4. Declares that no burden of proof of such judgment, capacity, or reliability shall be placed upon these individuals greater than that imposed on any other persons.
--Taken From ( https://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/0...-civil-rights/ )
The APA's position on the issue is that it does recognize that trans-affirmative treatment and aid has a positive impact. However, the psychiatrists or therapist should also help explore the gender-identity(s) with the patient especially if the patient is a youth, as it may be transient if there isn't a long history of identifying as the other gender and receiving treatment.
*Will Henceforth be shortened to DSM
**Note: The WHO and I believe some other countries have their own Psychiatric Organizations but the APA and the WHO are the highest authorities on these subjects.
Here's the guidelines issued on treatment of Gender Dysphoria
https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf
From re-reading what is put forth by the DSM, the root problem of most people's wishes to change or identify as the opposite sex of birth is due to perceived gender roles in culture/society extended beyond even the male/female roles in some societies which have even more gender roles(yes you can have more than 2 gender roles in a society, think about people in cultures who are allowed to reproduce while others are limited to specific tasks in life as an example)
@Ash -- I'm pretty sure allowing someone to change their sex to solve their gender dysphoria by allowing them to change to their identifying sex from their assigned sex, literally, effects no one else but them. So to compare it to schizophrenia is not only stupid, but it's a dangerous mindset as well... Your opinion lacks any common sense, or rational thought. I bet you believe gay marriage leads to beastiality too, no?
Back to the actual conversation. Transgender sex changes are an extremely personal decision, and often times, not even the top priority. So let's stop with all the "DONT LET THEM CHANGE." It's non of anyone else's business, so there is no "don't let them change." If people want to change to be whole, let them change, but if they don't want to change, then they don't have to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGQwX2fizw8
WTF is normal? Your version of normal is not my version of normal, so no we shouldn't be helping people to get to the "norm" we should be helping people to feel whole, comfortable, and complete. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Also: 1: Tranny or trannies is a derogatory term, stop using it immediately. 2: If "society is freaked out" that's their own fucking fault. Also, no one just "pats" anyone on the back, people support those who make a difficult decision that some spend many years contemplating, before doing. Of course mood swings and such are side effects, but those go away after their bodies become used to the hormones. That's why it's called TRANSITIONING. People will be more upset and depressed not living in their true bodies. Not all, but many, so giving them the option to have the surgery allows them to make the decision for themselves. Again, a decision that doesn't even have bearing on your life.
tranny is derogatory, since when? Fun fact, transsexuals are able to do whatever they want the same way ash can use whatever words he wants...
If transsexuals think they are the other gender why would the decision to get the surgery be difficult, it should be a no brainer.
Cut off your arm since you have nerve damage to it thereby inhibiting you from using it properly. Then get a prosthetic one and slowly get used to using it.
That's a way better correlation than buying a boat.
Buying a boat is also not nearly as mentally or physically taxing as having to rethink your entire life and what you will be as well as societies viewpoint on you depending on your decision. Society really doesn't care if you have a boat.
Also unless you want people to call white people whitey's and asian people yellows or orientals and so on. Please understand that shortening most words and adding a y to it is typically derogatory in general. It is also typically derogatory to call anyone but the official term unless it is culturally acceptable in the person you are talking about or saying it to's eyes.
But in all seriousness.
Duck if you think trolling is good behaviour and not caring to have a proper debate when the rest of us are.
You should probably see a psychiatrist.
While I do not agree with Duckk, there are a lot of unnecessary attacks on him for his opinions earlier in the thread. We are in Circlejerk, but no good dialogue can come out of insulting anyone based on their beliefs.
While I agree that just outright insulting a guy doesn't do anything like banana was doing,
I only commented on him trying to link surgery/hormonal medication(which takes multiple years to full transition out of) and buying a boat being the same thing as appearing to be trolly
and asking him to please give evidence.
I assume you were talking about the former, or did you also find problems in what I was saying about him?
Uh no. Sex change still doesn't "solve" gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria suddenly doesn't go away after you get a sex change. It still persists even after sex changes, which is why some transexuals end up making life-regretting decisions. The reason I compare them to schizophrenics is because we can't let them believe what they want to believe. We have to get them actual proper treatment to help them know where they really stand in society.
Irrelevant tbh. Your sexual orientation plays no role in your preferred fetishes.
Anything that happens in my society is my business. Just like if someone decides to rob my local store or decides to shoot up a public place, it's my business because it may affect me someday. I'm concerned about the health and sanity of my society. And yeah, not every person with Gender Identity Disorder will undergo sex change. Some of them are comfortable enough with their original sex, and that's fine. But there's no guarantee that you will feel "comfortable" with your new sex after having to experience lots of hormone changes and conforming to a new lifestyle. This surgery is impractical and expensive.
I agree with your version of the norm. I'm all up for homosexual marriage, I don't mind. I don't mind letting transexuals feel the way they should, however you don't understand that a percentage of transexuals don't feel whole, comfortable, or complete. Sex change is nothing but an expensive piece of genital mutilation + hormones.
Exactly. It's expensive and not every tranny can undergo such treatment. This is one of the reasons they start facing depression and anxiety. Maybe if we just ban sex change, they won't have to fucking worry about expensive treatments and instead we'll have productive psychologists that will try to help them from their sick delusions.
@Ash
Not every transgender individual experiences gender disphoria. Gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.
"Disphoria" is literally a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life. You're literally spewing ignorance as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Paladin gave an incomplete story with that reference to the DSM. It used to be Gender Identity Disorder, which is what you were referring to, a classification of mental illness, but now has been reclassified.
Homosexuality used to also be classified as a mental disorder and has been removed as it is now understood to not be. Get with the times you dinosaur.
Cite your sources that sex reassignment doesn't help. Prove your points. And no, everyone is entitled to their private business. YOU are not entitled to know what anyone in your society is doing if it has nothing to do with you. Stop with your retarded logic.
Your last few sentences prove you're nothing more than an ignorant bigot who clearly has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
ALSO: Educate your fucking self, it's not just LETS DO SURGERY. SNIP SNIP. https://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-...Treatment.aspx
ALSO: READ THIS: The fucking regret and shame they feel isn't because of the surgery, or any treatment, it comes from the fucking bullying of people in society like YOU. https://transadvocate.com/fact-check-...al_n_15483.htm -- skip to the bottom, they have a TL;DR
It's a long and sometimes painful process because its hard to change, but when they do change they feel complete in most cases, they feel they are finally where they should, they're the happiest they've been. Not everyone get's the surgery, not everyone is the same. But every one of you ignorant assholes who thing you can control someone are. Their life is not your fucking business, it does not impact you whatsoever, and don't even say that it does. Because it fucking doesn't, get your small minded ass out of your poop-hole. So sick of people like you who just spew ignorant bullshit because you're too fucking stupid to realize what you're saying is both stupid and backwards.