blinkskater,MarshmallowMarshall,Magoroth,Light_Yag ami
October 17th, 2019, 06:27 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesk514
-vote Frinckles
not gonna cvote cause still unsure but yeah
It's coo, we gucci.
You can read my previous post and form a real town core.
October 17th, 2019, 06:30 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Mhmm... interesting. Welcome you fake noob xD
Who's the shaggy guy, Magoroth? :thinking: I don't think he's exactly town on tone lol unless we have different conceptions of "tone".
Blink, hes got shaggy as his avvy
October 17th, 2019, 06:35 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesk514
oh go, like on MU?
if so, LOL...
p sure I lynched you as scum in season 4.
October 17th, 2019, 06:36 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
the game with Dels where I also had him as scum on d2 but no one listened to me and then he eventually won the whole thing because I got shunned due to the #yetl debacle
October 17th, 2019, 06:38 PM
rumox
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
@Voss
does having an incomplete cvote affect the lynch slot?
Bumping Mesk down since as far as I can tell she is "voting" Frinckles because he is having a strong debate with one of her town core reads. It's essentially a proxy omgus.
Bumping Mesk down since as far as I can tell she is "voting" Frinckles because he is having a strong debate with one of her town core reads. It's essentially a proxy omgus.
Bumping Mesk down since as far as I can tell she is "voting" Frinckles because he is having a strong debate with one of her town core reads. It's essentially a proxy omgus.
Well, what are your reads Rumox? Havent gotten to speak much since your silly rxn.
Does my post not make sense to you?
October 17th, 2019, 06:49 PM
rumox
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Well, what are your reads Rumox? Havent gotten to speak much since your silly rxn.
Does my post not make sense to you?
I was just about to say I am going to spend some time going over that post because at first glance I find myself in agreeance with what you are saying. There is a lot of pages I have to spend some time on since I was asleep/running around in the morning and only got to have a rather quick read through to get the gist of days progression.
October 17th, 2019, 06:54 PM
rumox
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Blink is 100% an interesting slot for lynch day 1, but there are other connections to look at.
Mesk basically sold on the fact he is town, pushes on you because you are pushing on blink. MM sheeping Blink so hard he changes his lynch priority to his top town read. At face value I can see a scum duo of MM/Mesk wrapping their hands around town Blink.
Much to think about. I'm back reading starting in 10 minutes after I have a darb
October 17th, 2019, 06:57 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by rumox
Blink is 100% an interesting slot for lynch day 1, but there are other connections to look at.
Mesk basically sold on the fact he is town, pushes on you because you are pushing on blink. MM sheeping Blink so hard he changes his lynch priority to his top town read. At face value I can see a scum duo of MM/Mesk wrapping their hands around town Blink.
Much to think about. I'm back reading starting in 10 minutes after I have a darb
Np. I was going to say, I'd look at the connections branching outwards from you. Considering how long it's been and how much of a big deal was made out of one post.
October 17th, 2019, 07:05 PM
Mesk514
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
p sure I lynched you as scum in season 4.
ive only been scum on mu, so probably. i also basically afk'd
October 17th, 2019, 07:16 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Your tone shifted in a matter of 3 posts. Look Blink, you say I'm discrediting you 1,000,000 times and you'd be right. I am. Your rhetoric and reasoning is weak and non-genuine. You're strong-arming your way towards a scum victory and it's clear. You claimed arrogance at the beginning of the game, that your meta reads are infallible and then you slowly push players like Unknown and Stealthbomber up your list over the course of 24 hours. Players who you at one point had a strong town read on, though suddenly you misjudged? Players who you use words like 'pure' on just to appeal to them until they call out your bullshit and now they're scum. When they slowly begin flipping green, you'll go to the middling pack, players like Huey, Mesk, DS, Light etc.
Why?
You've buddied at least four people this game based off of meta and had zero interaction with them after the fact. I'll assume some of them simply don't want anything to do with you until D2, that's fine. If they don't want to ask the important questions, I will.
Why would you try instating your own voting policy, then basically continue to do it afterwards?
A plan failed; One we both know wasn't feasible to begin with. Will you call this game non-Mafia when you lose because of the voting system?
So you recoil, stop the debate. Let the shitposting begin, it's easier to buddy that way afterall.
Suddenly you drop this gambit of a post, inviting death to one of us.
Start reciting that your intentions are pure, another emotion heart-tug. Okay.
But see, here's the kicker -- and we can ignore that I'm Frinckles for a moment.
You talked the entire time about your meta reads, strong-arming everyone and responding with defensive nonsensical words like discrediting' 'painting' etc,. whenever push comes to shove.
And now suddenly, you say the magic word. Actress!
Oh my word, an Actress? God forbid.
Who the fuck said there was an Actress? Look, yes you're confirmed scum in my eyes.. ..But in what world was that not the most colossal slip I've ever heard.
We don't even know how many of each TPR we have, but suddenly -- you've narrowed down this hypothesis that there is in fact an Actress in this save and that I am that Actress.
Really? Serious problems? Like what? ...Confrontation? Debate? Skepticism? Rationality?
Tell you what, I'll move Mesk514 down a notch for you; I mostly wanted her attention and she's playing now -- but lemme finish.
So, Actress is suddenly apart of the picture and then we get this:
This -- by the way, is not how Actress works at all.
Actress does not take a role from a Graveyard. They appear as one when they die. You ACTUALLY decided to switch your rhetoric over to mechanics and you didn't even read the roles list. A sloppy slip.
No no no no ! You aren't getting off the hook that easily either.
..Why? What kind of role or even player would advocate for their own death so aggressively? This is the most classic example of emotional appeal. What else do any of us have to give other than death?
So, you don't kill him cause that's gamethrowing and he isn't even close to being lynched!.. So logically: You kill me, the Actress right? And when I flip town and it's a mechanical fact that I'm town, Blink gets lynched next ..right? After being able to spend your night action to appear town, right. Fun fact, an actress taking a gambit on her own death wouldn't be a gamethrow: It's literally the most important part of the role.
So Blink, you've convinced me to bring you up to #1 in my book. Grats. There was a slight notion that you may have been town when we first started talking about your unique ThunderNote voting system. And yeah -- I really did find MM scummier than you but if you're going to slip that badly, I think bringing the rope around your neck earlier is justified (especially given this context.)
Just to put it perspective one last time..
So not only have are you suggesting I'm Mafia, but you're also pin-pointing me as 1 of 5 possible roles out of nowhere.
Blink where did you get the knowledge that there was:
-An Actress (And to have that knowledge)
-Some sort of pre-game/night 0 chat for Mafia.
?
..............
If any of that information was given somewhere in this thread by Naz, please cite it and I'll retract the latter statements.
I cannot wait for your response and others are free to chime in.
holy shit bruh the actress shit is in the fucking op even i know that
October 17th, 2019, 07:19 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Isn't it a Actress OR a Framer, they aren't the same role..
October 17th, 2019, 07:23 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
holy shit bruh the actress shit is in the fucking op even i know that
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Isn't it a Actress OR a Framer, they aren't the same role..
Its actress or framer.
But thanks to Blink, I guess we know now.
October 17th, 2019, 07:30 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Is there anything actually prompting us to include everyone in our cvote? Because right now I feel like it could just ultimately turn into people having one person in their vote, or a small amount at most, since keeping your town reads in only gives them a small increase to their vote count
October 17th, 2019, 07:34 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Is there anything actually prompting us to include everyone in our cvote? Because right now I feel like it could just ultimately turn into people having one person in their vote, or a small amount at most, since keeping your town reads in only gives them a small increase to their vote count
If I had to guess, it's ranking the string from first to last. Anything not inputted is replaced with nothing and you are inputted with nothing.
October 17th, 2019, 07:43 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Spoiler : cvote :
blinkskater,magoroth,rumox
Going to be around for a while and be catching up/responding to stuff over time.
October 17th, 2019, 07:45 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Whats the best way to iso on this site?
October 17th, 2019, 07:46 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
@Voss
how does the vote tally change when someone isn't voted?
Unless there's something I'm really not understanding it seems like not voting someone has a negative impact on them. Or people are voting without posting it, which I don't understand either.
October 17th, 2019, 07:47 PM
naz
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
Whats the best way to iso on this site?
on the first post i have a link under all the players that says "post count"
October 17th, 2019, 07:52 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Spoiler : Frinckles' huge post on Blink :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Your tone shifted in a matter of 3 posts. Look Blink, you say I'm discrediting you 1,000,000 times and you'd be right. I am. Your rhetoric and reasoning is weak and non-genuine. You're strong-arming your way towards a scum victory and it's clear. You claimed arrogance at the beginning of the game, that your meta reads are infallible and then you slowly push players like Unknown and Stealthbomber up your list over the course of 24 hours. Players who you at one point had a strong town read on, though suddenly you misjudged? Players who you use words like 'pure' on just to appeal to them until they call out your bullshit and now they're scum. When they slowly begin flipping green, you'll go to the middling pack, players like Huey, Mesk, DS, Light etc.
Why?
You've buddied at least four people this game based off of meta and had zero interaction with them after the fact. I'll assume some of them simply don't want anything to do with you until D2, that's fine. If they don't want to ask the important questions, I will.
Why would you try instating your own voting policy, then basically continue to do it afterwards?
A plan failed; One we both know wasn't feasible to begin with. Will you call this game non-Mafia when you lose because of the voting system?
So you recoil, stop the debate. Let the shitposting begin, it's easier to buddy that way afterall.
Suddenly you drop this gambit of a post, inviting death to one of us.
Start reciting that your intentions are pure, another emotion heart-tug. Okay.
But see, here's the kicker -- and we can ignore that I'm Frinckles for a moment.
You talked the entire time about your meta reads, strong-arming everyone and responding with defensive nonsensical words like discrediting' 'painting' etc,. whenever push comes to shove.
And now suddenly, you say the magic word. Actress!
Oh my word, an Actress? God forbid.
Who the fuck said there was an Actress? Look, yes you're confirmed scum in my eyes.. ..But in what world was that not the most colossal slip I've ever heard.
We don't even know how many of each TPR we have, but suddenly -- you've narrowed down this hypothesis that there is in fact an Actress in this save and that I am that Actress.
Really? Serious problems? Like what? ...Confrontation? Debate? Skepticism? Rationality?
Tell you what, I'll move Mesk514 down a notch for you; I mostly wanted her attention and she's playing now -- but lemme finish.
So, Actress is suddenly apart of the picture and then we get this:
This -- by the way, is not how Actress works at all.
Actress does not take a role from a Graveyard. They appear as one when they die. You ACTUALLY decided to switch your rhetoric over to mechanics and you didn't even read the roles list. A sloppy slip.
No no no no ! You aren't getting off the hook that easily either.
..Why? What kind of role or even player would advocate for their own death so aggressively? This is the most classic example of emotional appeal. What else do any of us have to give other than death?
So, you don't kill him cause that's gamethrowing and he isn't even close to being lynched!.. So logically: You kill me, the Actress right? And when I flip town and it's a mechanical fact that I'm town, Blink gets lynched next ..right? After being able to spend your night action to appear town, right. Fun fact, an actress taking a gambit on her own death wouldn't be a gamethrow: It's literally the most important part of the role.
So Blink, you've convinced me to bring you up to #1 in my book. Grats. There was a slight notion that you may have been town when we first started talking about your unique ThunderNote voting system. And yeah -- I really did find MM scummier than you but if you're going to slip that badly, I think bringing the rope around your neck earlier is justified (especially given this context.)
Just to put it perspective one last time..
So not only have are you suggesting I'm Mafia, but you're also pin-pointing me as 1 of 5 possible roles out of nowhere.
Blink where did you get the knowledge that there was:
-An Actress (And to have that knowledge)
-Some sort of pre-game/night 0 chat for Mafia.
?
..............
If any of that information was given somewhere in this thread by Naz, please cite it and I'll retract the latter statements.
I cannot wait for your response and others are free to chime in.
Yay, I was mislynched in the other game I was in, so I have time to play here more...! (not a serious yay lol)
Now to address this.
@blinkskater
Why in the world would Frinckles be Actress over any other scum role, really? That's REAAAALLLLYYYY weird.
And as the maker of the setup, I can tell you that there is no reason for scum to have a night 0 chat. There was no night 0, already, it was a start-of-game timer (if the setup is what I think it is, don't go and say I'm TMI-ing here).
And if you don't believe me...
@naz
Was there a night 0?
Now, the most of the rest of the spoilered post also makes absolute sense. The thing I hate there is that blink's town game is not logical. His scum game is. As town, he just doesn't care about his image much (if at all), and he relies on meta and gut reads a lot.
One thing with the post that makes little sense, though, even disgarding blink's meta. How does lying on the Actress' actual abilities benefit to scum!blink in any way? Plus, he knows I know how it works, I'm literally the setup maker. Anyone else could ask the Host about it, and it'd just suck for him because it'd be an unwanted kind of spotlight on him.
Now, I can't really call Frinckles' post scumpainty, nor can I call it logically wrong, disregarding blink's meta. But I can call it incomplete. What's missing there is the intent. The scum intent. Such a pile of accusations that make sense, when applied on a scum, fit with a set of scum intents. There's nothing around there looking like a scum intent, it just looks like Blink's crazy style lol.
I can't say you're scum for this case, either; I actually believe it's towny and pro-town, even though I tend to fall for long and coherent cases... You also don't fit with the scum meta of that Saloon hidden game, in which we were scummates. Still keeping a little eye on you, but this gives you townpoints, even though I don't agree with its conclusion.
October 17th, 2019, 07:56 PM
DS.
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesk514
well, tbf, im a citizen, so even if he was hunting, he hit a dead end. poopy for him
I hope people yelled at Mesk for claiming VT day one.. Its a bit sus at the least
October 17th, 2019, 07:57 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
Have yet to be able to backread. I like Blink's tone. I would put that town, thats my only real read. There was one other that off tone I liked, I havent been able to seperate anyones posts really mentally as Im still trying to figure out who is who
Alright. I can understand being lost if you played with more or less noone here before lol, but what do you think about Frinckles and Rumox? Are you for or against policy lynches in general, and are you for or against policy lynching Efekannn02 in this specific game?
@DS.
October 17th, 2019, 07:58 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
I hope people yelled at Mesk for claiming VT day one.. Its a bit sus at the least
Mesk514, yelling she's always town and always citizen at start of games since 2016, I believe. That's her super long standing meta.
Guys there is a potential scum actress in this game who can take the role of ANY town member in this game from the graveyard this happens during night one.
there are SERIOUS problems with the way frinckles interacts with me in the thread, then scumreads 2 other people above me. I'm banking on my greenflip to secure the future of the town here.
Frinckles would know this being scum and would want to try and discredit me as much as possible without actually making me the lynch.
SO listen up, I'm advocating for my own lynch right now to show you guys that my intentions are pure and just once i FLIP.
If you think I do this as scum then you're wrong because that would be game throwing. I'm in no danger of being lynched ATM but I want that to change.
What the fuck is this shit why do you give me both town and scum vibes at the exact same time what the hell
Are you neutral killing
October 17th, 2019, 08:29 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by DS.
Season 1, yes. They banned me from season 2
I may remember you. I played like one game with them and I carried mafia after blink or naz were lynched d1.
Have you even explained your read on me or DS in this game?
October 17th, 2019, 08:37 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Gonna summarize my thoughts on the frinckles v blink controversy by saying frinckles is defo town and blink is null leaning town? I can’t believe a scum would make a post like that and as much as I like the good ol Freudian slip thought process, I have done similar things as town in the past. There was an FM where I called someone literally every single neutral role and he was a jester turned cult by the end. I don’t like the contents of blinks post but I’m also not sure that it really paints him as scum, if you catch my drift.
October 17th, 2019, 08:38 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Have you even explained your read on me or DS in this game?
I think you're calling the wrong person desperate.
blinkskater has been trying too hard to defend rumox, based on the fact that him and rumox have similar thoughts in the game.
October 17th, 2019, 08:42 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
What the fuck is this shit why do you give me both town and scum vibes at the exact same time what the hell
Are you neutral killing
That isn't something I'd exclude. He is playing in the general interest of the Town in his mind IMO, but that could come from neutral, yes.
The "Lynch meeee" thing is extremely ballsy as SK, though. Blink is ballsy, but I wonder if he would actually do that. It doesn't seem worth the risk.
October 17th, 2019, 08:43 PM
Voss
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
@Voss
how does the vote tally change when someone isn't voted?
Unless there's something I'm really not understanding it seems like not voting someone has a negative impact on them. Or people are voting without posting it, which I don't understand either.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rumox
@Voss
does having an incomplete cvote affect the lynch slot?
Let's pretend you have a game of 13 players, call them A-M. You think A-C are all scum, in that order, and think player M is super towny, but don't really have opinions on D - L. As a result, all you submit is A,B,C
When you don't specify the complete order, you say that given the choice between pairings such as D/F, D/K/ E/J you don't care who gets executed. This is fine and expected.
However, the trouble comes along when the bot interprets your input as the following. if the vote right now were to come down between D or M, or J or M, you wouldn't care. However this is incorrect, because you think M is super towny. You clearly would rather have D-L executed over M.
The trouble with ranking A - M like so forces players to have an opinion on D - L, even when they don't. A slightly better system would be for the system to allow interpretations of equality between groups of people.
Fortunately, the system does. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy way for people to submit groups of people. If we were playing using the Narrator's vote interface, the problem would be much easier. Submitting it through text here, however, is difficult.
October 17th, 2019, 08:43 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
I don't think what MM said has any indication of blinkskater being town. He has essentially pocketed both Efekannn and Light_Yagami by saying they are both town (we all know those two just like to be town-read and they won't vote that person throughout the game). He said he wouldn't meta read them anymore, yet didn't change his opinion on either of them.
To add on that, blinkskater continues to say that I'm town and that I am justified in my push on him, but doesn't try to convince me to vote his way. I don't like the amount of people that haven't been considering the fact he might not be town.
October 17th, 2019, 08:46 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Have you even explained your read on me or DS in this game?
Hmm... no, not exactly lol. You just don't feel particularly townie, and in a list of reads, I'd put you just just below null; however, Condorcet doesn't allow that. I don't mean specifically to lynch any of you, but removing Rumox from there and keeping my townreads up just end up doing that.
DS reminds me a bit of Yayap, but with a nicer attitude, I guess. I still have to see what he has to give, and for now, he has done nothing really towny; asked him for some specific thoughts, and his reply will make him go either up or down in the cvote.
October 17th, 2019, 08:48 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
I do like blink's suggestion that MM might be scum. their interactions as well as MM's uncharacteristic defense of blinkskater when I pushed him for "shitty reasons" (yes I admit they were shitty, I was literally looking for any reasons I could find to scumpaint him), along with his general self-awareness don't feel right to me.
so: thus far
Spoiler : cvote :
MarshmallowMarshall,rumox
these are the people im voting rn. I have a lot more time today than I thought I would bc an assignments deadline just got moved to Monday (from the original deadline which was, erm, in European terms, today in 11 hours).
mm and blink are both very self-aware when ti comes to their, erm, "voting meta" (they often scum read each other when they're town); MM's posts are kinda forced this game - his interactions with blinkskater especially, DO NOT feel genuine to me.
also, I do not like MM trying to Lynch efe so early on
in fact I do not like anyone lynching efe rn
?? If this has been explained before, I don't understand why you would be trying to scum-paint anyone.
October 17th, 2019, 08:48 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
That isn't something I'd exclude. He is playing in the general interest of the Town in his mind IMO, but that could come from neutral, yes.
The "Lynch meeee" thing is extremely ballsy as SK, though. Blink is ballsy, but I wonder if he would actually do that. It doesn't seem worth the risk.
blink is an undocumented wild animal and we should always act as though we have no clue what he will do next because we dont
October 17th, 2019, 08:51 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voss
Let's pretend you have a game of 13 players, call them A-M. You think A-C are all scum, in that order, and think player M is super towny, but don't really have opinions on D - L. As a result, all you submit is A,B,C
When you don't specify the complete order, you say that given the choice between pairings such as D/F, D/K/ E/J you don't care who gets executed. This is fine and expected.
However, the trouble comes along when the bot interprets your input as the following. if the vote right now were to come down between D or M, or J or M, you wouldn't care. However this is incorrect, because you think M is super towny. You clearly would rather have D-L executed over M.
The trouble with ranking A - M like so forces players to have an opinion on D - L, even when they don't. A slightly better system would be for the system to allow interpretations of equality between groups of people.
Fortunately, the system does. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy way for people to submit groups of people. If we were playing using the Narrator's vote interface, the problem would be much easier. Submitting it through text here, however, is difficult.
you should name this new system “bird 2 voting”
Run like this
SCUMMIEST *
SCUMMIEST 2 *
TIED FOR 3, TIED FOR 3 *
SCUMMIEST 4*
* (gap because I don’t think any of these people are scummy enough to take position 5)
NULL READ, NULL READ 2, NULL READ 3 *
TOWNY PEOPLE
Have a predetermined character be a break between the groups.
October 17th, 2019, 08:53 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voss
Let's pretend you have a game of 13 players, call them A-M. You think A-C are all scum, in that order, and think player M is super towny, but don't really have opinions on D - L. As a result, all you submit is A,B,C
When you don't specify the complete order, you say that given the choice between pairings such as D/F, D/K/ E/J you don't care who gets executed. This is fine and expected.
However, the trouble comes along when the bot interprets your input as the following. if the vote right now were to come down between D or M, or J or M, you wouldn't care. However this is incorrect, because you think M is super towny. You clearly would rather have D-L executed over M.
The trouble with ranking A - M like so forces players to have an opinion on D - L, even when they don't. A slightly better system would be for the system to allow interpretations of equality between groups of people.
Fortunately, the system does. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy way for people to submit groups of people. If we were playing using the Narrator's vote interface, the problem would be much easier. Submitting it through text here, however, is difficult.
That specific issue is pretty much the reason for which you two are being slated as 2nd and 3rd lynch choices in my cvote.
~~~
About not considering Blink as potential scum: I do consider him as potential scum, in a 20% probability world maybe. But his play makes sense as town, he's creating a lot of interactions and analysing them, and he doesn't care too much about his image even though he's always self-conscious, no matter what his alignment is, while all of the "scum tells" are not appliable to him.
Townreading Light here isn't pocketing, it's really a foolproof meta read that has been lasting for both Blink and myself, blink to a larger extent though, because of which we can detect Light's alignment easily. I wholeheartedly agree with Blink there.
As for Efe, I don't know. The meta read isn't as strong as it is with Light, because Efe could easily fake his "town" meta as scum. How he plays literally benefits scum, anyway... his creates chaos that isn't useful, just derailing chaos. That's why I say he needs to go.
October 17th, 2019, 08:55 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Unknown1234
?? If this has been explained before, I don't understand why you would be trying to scum-paint anyone.
Even though that Mag post is about lynching me, I gotta say he explained his views on scumpainting early on. He said it was pro-town to scumpaint a bit and all, and it's not the first game in which he says it, nor is he the only person to say that (Distorted believes that too for example).
October 17th, 2019, 08:59 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
MM, just reading your play this game has made me feel you've been on the fence far too much. Even your read on me, your second strongest scum-read, is not very strong, and your read on Efekannn02 is a policy lynch. You commented on my interaction with Stealthbomber16, but why did you never even push that onto me or him? It seems like you're playing way too cautiously for a town player trying to win the game.
October 17th, 2019, 09:01 PM
Voss
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
you should name this new system “bird 2 voting”
Run like this
SCUMMIEST *
SCUMMIEST 2 *
TIED FOR 3, TIED FOR 3 *
SCUMMIEST 4*
* (gap because I don’t think any of these people are scummy enough to take position 5)
NULL READ, NULL READ 2, NULL READ 3 *
TOWNY PEOPLE
Have a predetermined character be a break between the groups.
so Like
Spoiler : cvote2 :
A,B,C
D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L
M
maybe.
October 17th, 2019, 09:01 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
blink is an undocumented wild animal and we should always act as though we have no clue what he will do next because we dont
Okay, granted lol.
Also. The Frinckles - Blink argument reminds me of the TvT argument I put up in Black Flag Nightless II (I think it was the II, it was hosted by the God-King Deathworlds at least) with Distorted.
To clarify, I mean that they're both making logical points about why the other is scummy (okay blink's points aren't exactly logical and a lot of them are trash honestly, but that's another topic) without adding INTENT to it, they're having something that could be called an extensive theory debate, and each genuinely thinks it's AI for the other person while it's not. The involvement in such a thing and the fact that they both accept to make it the center of the discussion of D1 is towny per se. That's what I was trying to say earlier, but now I think I found the right words.
MM, just reading your play this game has made me feel you've been on the fence far too much. Even your read on me, your second strongest scum-read, is not very strong, and your read on Efekannn02 is a policy lynch. You commented on my interaction with Stealthbomber16, but why did you never even push that onto me or him? It seems like you're playing way too cautiously for a town player trying to win the game.
You're next :) I'm taking care of the center of attention first, and it happens to be Frinckles - Blink. Don't be jealous, I'm going to ISO you soon (actually right now, but I don't know if I'll be able to finish before having to go).
But yes, not having actual scumreads bothers me...
October 17th, 2019, 09:04 PM
Unknown1234
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Even though that Mag post is about lynching me, I gotta say he explained his views on scumpainting early on. He said it was pro-town to scumpaint a bit and all, and it's not the first game in which he says it, nor is he the only person to say that (Distorted believes that too for example).
Attempting to make someone look scummy that you already think is scum is one thing. Attempting to make someone look scummy who you don't have any reason to think they're scum is anti-town at best and pro-scum at worst. I may have to re-read what he said but I disagree with this completely.
October 17th, 2019, 09:04 PM
naz
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
And if you don't believe me...
@naz
Was there a night 0?
no
October 17th, 2019, 09:06 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Attempting to make someone look scummy that you already think is scum is one thing. Attempting to make someone look scummy who you don't have any reason to think they're scum is anti-town at best and pro-scum at worst. I may have to re-read what he said but I disagree with this completely.
On D2 and after, I agree with you. D1 is another world in which we try to gather as much info as possible, and scumpainting is a way to do it if you want to commit to that style at start of game.