* * * SC2 Mafia Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : S-FM 8-2-2 (12P) https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40860 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 14th, 2017 02:09 PM Title : S-FM 8-2-2 (12P) S-FM 8-2-2 Roles List Town Government Town Random Town Random Town Random Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen Dragon Head Triad Random Neutral Evil Neutral Benign Town Government: Mayor, Marshall Town Random: Detective, Lookout, Doctor, Bodyguard, Escort, Vigilante, Bus Driver, Veteran, Jailor Triad Random: Administrator, Forger, Liaison, Vanguard Neutral Benign: Executioner, Jester, Lover Neutral Evil: Witch, Auditor, Judge Role Cards Mayor: Once during the game, you may reveal at day PMing the host, gaining 1 permanent additional vote. You cannot be healed. If your role changes you lose your additional vote. Marshall: Once during the game, you may reveal at day PMing the host, making it possible for one extra lynch to occur during the same day. Both lynches are revealed at the end of the day. You cannot be healed. Detective: Follow a player at night, knowing who they visit. Lookout: Stalk a player at night, knowing everyone who visits your target. Doctor: Heal a player at night in case they are attacked. You are not notified if your heal was succesful. The target is notified. Bodyguard: Guard one player each night. If someone attacks a guarded player, both the attacker and the Bodyguard die instead of the guarded player. Escort: Roleblock a player at night. Target is notified. Vigilante: Kill a player at night. One use. Bus Driver: Swap two players at night, making actions that target the first player instead target the second player and vice versa. If you swap an attacker with his target the attacker will die. Veteran: May go on alert during the night. If he goes on alert, will automatically kills any player who targets him that night. This does not stop other abilities which you were the target (Example: If an auditor targets you, you will kill him but will still get audited to Citizen). One use. Jailor: Jail and roleblock one player each night following a day where no lynch occurred. Speak anonymously with the jailed player at night, and optionally execute that player. One use. Citizen: No abilities. Dragon Head: Kill a player at night. You cannot be killed during night by the Vigilante, the Bus Driver or the Witch. You are notified about every attacks you receive, including the Witch targeting yourself. Administrator: Visit a player at night, knowing his exact role. Forger: Visit a player at night, making it look to investigative roles like your target visited the Triad's night kill target. Liaison: Roleblock a player at night. Target is notified. Vanguard: Stalk and follow a player at night, knowing who they visited and who visited them. Enforcer: If your Dragon Head is dead you may kill someone at night. Executioner: You start the game with a target you need to live to see him lynched. If your target dies at night, you become a Jester. Jester:Your goal is to get lynched. If you die, one of your voters will suicide. Lover: You start the game connected to a player. This means that your goal is to make your "connection" win the game and both live until the end. And, if he dies, you die as well and viceversa. Doctor can't prevent the death caused by the connection. (EXPLANATION: If your connection dies and the doctor heals you, he cannot stop you from dying but if he heals the player that was attacked both of you won't die). You share a Night Chat. The connection mustn't reveal his alignment in this chat. Witch: Force one person to use their night ability on a target of the Witch's choice. You cannot make players without a Night Ability that doesn't involve visiting to target anyone (even themselves). Can control a player to target themselves even when they normally can't. Auditor: Convert one person to Citizen each night. Triad instead becomes an Enforcer. Neutral Benign & Neutral Evil instead become an Scumbag. Dragon Head is inmune. 2 uses. You are told what role your target has become or if it has failed. Judge: Once during the game, you may PM to the host the name of two players. That day the lynch must be between those two players, and if none is lynched both will die at the end of the day. When you use your ability, 24 hours are added to the day countdown. Scumbag:No abilities. Win Conditions Town: Kill the Triad, the Neutral Evil and have at least 1 member remaining. Triad: Kill the Town and have at least 1 member remaining. Jester: Be lynched. Executioner: Live to see your target lynched. Lover: Make sure your "connection" wins and you both are alive when the game ends. Witch, Auditor, Judge & Scumbag: Live to see the Town lose the game. Ties: Triad/Neutral Evil > Town > Neutral Benign Mechanics Days last 48 hours. Nights last 24 hours. Majority & Non-Mandatory Lynch. No Last Wills & No Death Notes & No Suicides Triad share a Night Chat, and if Dragon Head dies the other triad's night ability will be substituted with a Night Kill. Order of Actions 1. Jailor detains target. 2. Night Discussion 3. Veteran Alerts 4. Target Switched and Roleblockers (Witches, Bus Drivers then Escort & Liaison) 5. Forger frames 6. Killing roles & Suicides 7. Auditor Audits 8. Investigative Roles Rules of Conduct No OGC (out of game communication) Insults are alright, but don't be extreme. Don't quote PMs. English only. Be active. Being active also means contributing to the game. Host has total discretion about this. Images and videos are allowed, but don't spam them. No excessive use of unrelated posts. Threatened, attempted, or faked gamethrows are prohibited and will result in force replace, modkill or agressive warn at the host's discretion. Don't spam excessively -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 14th, 2017 02:09 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Iced_Monopoly Quite simple game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Auteur : deathworlds Date : September 14th, 2017 05:19 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Observations/Questions: The lover is essentially a survivor with a harder win-con, I suggest you buff the lover some how, perhaps by giving them a chat of some sort? If a player is attacked and healed, are they informed? How many executes does the Jailor have? Can he execute on lynched days? How many times can the marshal reveal? How many times can the mayor reveal? Does he keep his vote if he lives another day? An amnesiac siding with town can result in a total steamroll imo; in general i'd say this game is a bit town sided. 4 total TPRs vs effectively 1 scum tpr, I'd reduce the number of TPR to 3; but I'd like more opinions on this. Iced_Monopoly RLVG -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Auteur : Iced_Monopoly Date : September 14th, 2017 05:43 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Double neutrals does leave this game with the potential for a king maker situation, which would be quite undesirable. Perhaps swapping a neut to a scum tpr, would help balance out the town tpr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 14th, 2017 06:03 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Thinking about changing a Neutral Benign to a Neutral Evil. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 14th, 2017 06:06 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Observations/Questions: The lover is essentially a survivor with a harder win-con, I suggest you buff the lover some how, perhaps by giving them a chat of some sort? If a player is attacked and healed, are they informed? How many executes does the Jailor have? Can he execute on lynched days? How many times can the marshal reveal? How many times can the mayor reveal? Does he keep his vote if he lives another day? An amnesiac siding with town can result in a total steamroll imo; in general i'd say this game is a bit town sided. 4 total TPRs vs effectively 1 scum tpr, I'd reduce the number of TPR to 3; but I'd like more opinions on this. Iced_Monopoly RLVG 1. Will make them share a Night chat. However, the "connected" cannot reveal his role or team. 2. Yes. 3. One. No. 4. One. 5. One. Yes. 6. Giving scum a Neutral Evil may help them. Also, roles won't be completely random :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 14th, 2017 06:07 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Will write changes tomorrow when I'm on my computer -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 15th, 2017 04:45 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 deathworlds Iced_Monopoly Finished ALL changes: - Deathworlds' questions included. - Changed Neutral Benign with a Neutral Evil. - Added New Neutral Evil roles. - Eliminated Amnesiac & Survivor - Added Order of Actions - Etc? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Auteur : Nawa Date : September 15th, 2017 06:21 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 If Triad is dead and Neutral Evil is still alive, will Town win? Does lone Triad or lone Neutral Evil win tie? Does Mayor win tie vs Neutral Evil? vs Triad? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 15th, 2017 06:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 If Triad is dead and Neutral Evil is still alive, will Town win? Does lone Triad or lone Neutral Evil win tie? Does Mayor win tie vs Neutral Evil? vs Triad? Changed Town's win condition so they need to kill the Neutral Evil as well. Neutral Evil and Triad win together. Mayor is like any other town, he won't win any ties. (Added Ties Explanation) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Auteur : Nawa Date : September 15th, 2017 10:00 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Changed Town's win condition so they need to kill the Neutral Evil as well. Neutral Evil and Triad win together. Mayor is like any other town, he won't win any ties. (Added Ties Explanation) I meant, will Mayor win at 1v1? It would be 3 votes vs 1 vote. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 15th, 2017 10:06 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 I meant, will Mayor win at 1v1? It would be 3 votes vs 1 vote. Still, it would be a tie so Mafia / Evil wins. Just like in the mod. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Auteur : RLVG Date : September 15th, 2017 01:48 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Town: Kill the Triad and the Neutral Evil. Triad: Kill the Town. Is it possible for both Town and Triad to win by having everyone die? :cheesy: I think some should be alive. 6. Killing roles & Suicides (Jailor, Vigilante, Enforcer, Dragon Head -> Jester, (being killed in a previous event does not matter, however), Bodyguard, Bus Driver, and Witch indirect kills/suicides happen throughout in the applicable areas. This is a rather long text for this order slot, why not just simply saying that all kills and deaths occur at the same time here? :blink1: Auditor: Convert one person to Citizen each night. Triad instead becomes an Enforcer. Neutral Benign & Neutral Evil instead become an Scumbag. Dragon Head is inmune. 2 uses. 1. Does the Mayor still have his +1 vote after becoming a Citizen? 2. In the Order list, Audit is 8 and Invest roles is 7 but Audit is shown before Invest. What happens here? Does the Invest roles still get their feedback when being audited? 3. Can an Auditor audit a jailed target? Judge: Once during the game, you may PM to the host the name of two players. That day the lynch must be between those two players, and if none is lynched both will die at the end of the day. Jester:Your goal is to get lynched. If you die, one of your voters will suicide. In the Situation a Judge initiates a lynch between a player and a Jester and there's literally no votes? Will nobody get killed by the Jester? Lover: Make sure your "connection" wins and you both are alive when the game ends. Does the "connection" win together with the Lover? Administrator: Visit a player at night, knowing his exact role. Does the Administrator know the original role of Audited roles? Bus Driver: Swap two players at night, making actions that target the first player instead target the second player and vice versa. If you swap an attacker with his target the attacker will die. Can the Bus Driver target themselves? Dragon Head: Kill a player at night. You cannot be killed during night by the Vigilante nor the Bus Driver. Witch: Force one person to use their night ability on a target of the Witch's choice. You cannot make players without a Night Ability that doesn't involve visiting to target anyone (even themselves). Can control a player to target themselves even when they normally can't. Can the Witch cause the Dragon Head to suicide? Veteran: May go on alert during the night. If he goes on alert, will automatically kills any player who targets him that night. This does not stop other abilities which you were the target (Example: If an auditor targets you, you will kill him but will still get audited to Citizen). One use. What happens in the scenario that a Bus Driver targets the Veteran who alerts? Also, what happens if a Witch targets a Veteran? Doctor: Heal a player at night in case they are attacked. You are not notified if your heal was succesful. Looking at previous answers, I think you should include the target is notified. Judge: Once during the game, you may PM to the host the name of two players. That day the lynch must be between those two players, and if none is lynched both will die at the end of the day. Can the Judge PM the Host near the end of day to snipe two kills since no one can react? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 15th, 2017 02:59 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 ANSWERS IN WHITE Is it possible for both Town and Triad to win by having everyone die? :cheesy: I think some should be alive. Added at least 1 member remaining. This is a rather long text for this order slot, why not just simply saying that all kills and deaths occur at the same time here? :blink1: I copied it from the Wiki :P. Fixed. 1. Does the Mayor still have his +1 vote after becoming a Citizen? 2. In the Order list, Audit is 8 and Invest roles is 7 but Audit is shown before Invest. What happens here? Does the Invest roles still get their feedback when being audited? 3. Can an Auditor audit a jailed target? The rolecard says "If your role changes you lose your additional vote" so no. | Oops, fixed it :P | Yes. In the Situation a Judge initiates a lynch between a player and a Jester and there's literally no votes? Will nobody get killed by the Jester? Exactly. Both will die but no one will suicide. Does the "connection" win together with the Lover? The connection has a separate win condition, so it doesn't have to necessarily be like that. Does the Administrator know the original role of Audited roles? No. He knows the current role. Can the Bus Driver target themselves? No. Can the Witch cause the Dragon Head to suicide? Added explanation in Dragon Head's rolecard. What happens in the scenario that a Bus Driver targets the Veteran who alerts? Also, what happens if a Witch targets a Veteran? The Bus Driver swaps both targets but dies in the process. She dies and the veteran can't visit anyone so RIP. Looking at previous answers, I think you should include the target is notified. Added. Can the Judge PM the Host near the end of day to snipe two kills since no one can react? Now Judge ability adds 24 extra hours to the Day in order to prevent that :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Auteur : Nawa Date : September 16th, 2017 02:28 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 What happens in a situation when Lover's connection is Jester? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 16th, 2017 03:24 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 What happens in a situation when Lover's connection is Jester? That's impossible cause there is only one Benign. :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Auteur : Nawa Date : September 16th, 2017 05:50 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 That's impossible cause there is only one Benign. :P Forgot bout it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Auteur : deathworlds Date : September 17th, 2017 10:21 AM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Approved for signups. Gyrlander -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Auteur : Marshmallow Marshall Date : September 18th, 2017 12:31 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Gyrlander Which ability is one use for jailor? The execution or the jail? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Auteur : SuperJack Date : September 18th, 2017 12:55 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Gyrlander How is Lover a Neutral role when it starts the game already attached to an alignment? It's basically a +1 to X alignment +harder wincon. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 18th, 2017 12:56 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Gyrlander Which ability is one use for jailor? The execution or the jail? Execution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Auteur : Gyrlander Date : September 18th, 2017 12:58 PM Title : Re: S-FM 8-2-2 Gyrlander How is Lover a Neutral role when it starts the game already attached to an alignment? It's basically a +1 to X alignment +harder wincon. 1. Lover does not know the alignment of his "connection" so he won't be 100% sure. 2. It's true that it's +1 to X alignment but there's a lot of risk as both can die in 1 attack. High risk, high reward... more or less. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-