Wizards conundrum #1

[lunaris888]

It is the day before a game of mafia resolves. There are 9 players left. At the start of the next day, the sun rises and town wins. Tonight only one person capable of doing an action will chose to refrain, no one will kill more than one person, and all non-town will be dead, with all town surviving. If you were to investigate the 9 players alive on this day, you would see:

One works with gas
One is a loaner (who knows everyone's role)
Three have weapons
Two are citizens or something sinister
One has knives
One is part of a secret organization.

You have all the info you need to deduce what happened correctly, however I am willing to answer any yes or no questions.

Bonus Tip: For all intents and purposes, town should lose epicly tonight, but does not.

Any roles given by yes/no answer will include a spoiler tag for people who want to try to guess without knowing exact roles. I would appreciate it if anyone who knows an exact role uses a spoiler tag or vague language when referencing that role.

[Duzero]

Is serial killer night immune?

Is GF night immune?

[lunaris888]

Both SK and GF are, as per typical setup, set to immune at night.

So yes to both questions.

[Ash]

is GF immune to detection?

[lunaris888]

is GF immune to detection?

Yes

[ajkei]

When you say loaner...

[lunaris888]

When you say loaner...

Could you rephrase this as a question?

[Rihfok]

He meant you misspelled it, it's loner.

[Duzero]

Possible 5 town vs 4 evil scenario(perphaps not epic loss but still pretty much over for town):

Gas = Bus Driver
Loner = Witch
Weapons = Mafioso, Jailor, Vigilante
citi/sinister = GF + Veteran
Knives = Serial Killer
Secret Organization = Mason

Veteran goes on alert.
Mason does nothing.
Bus driver switches mason with himself.
Jailor jails and executes GF (8 left)
Mafioso kills witch.(7 left)
Witch controls vigilante to shoot mafioso, mafioso dies. (6 left)
Serial Killer visits the veteran and dies.(5 left, only townies)
Town wins :)

GF + busdriver could be replaced with arsonist and citizen. The problem is killing off more than 2 night immune roles when veteran only gets to kill one.

[Guardian]

It is the day before a game of mafia resolves. There are 9 players left. At the start of the next day, the sun rises and town wins. Tonight only one person capable of doing an action will chose to refrain, no one will kill more than one person, and all non-town will be dead, with all town surviving. If you were to investigate the 9 players alive on this day, you would see:

One works with gas
One is a loaner (who knows everyone's role)
Three have weapons
Two are citizens or something sinister
One has knives
One is part of a secret organization.

You have all the info you need to deduce what happened correctly, however I am willing to answer any yes or no questions.

Bonus Tip: For all intents and purposes, town should lose epicly tonight, but does not.

Any roles given by yes/no answer will include a spoiler tag for people who want to try to guess without knowing exact roles. I would appreciate it if anyone who knows an exact role uses a spoiler tag or vague language when referencing that role.

Gas = Arsonist
Loner = Survivor
weapons = Vigilante, Mafioso, Jailer
"Citizens" = Godfather, Veteran
Knives = SK
Secret organization = Cultist

The Arsonist ignites and kills the Serial Killer.
The Survivor skips his action.
The Serial Killer Murders the Survivor.
The Jailer executes the Godfather.
The Mafioso kills the Arsonist (Who is NOT night immune).
The Veteran goes on alert.
The Cultist tries to convert the Veteran but is eliminated.
The Vigilante kills the Mafioso.

This is a 3 town vs 2 maf vs SK/Cult/Arso endgame sit. This is assuming everything goes right for town - The Mafioso could have murdered the Jailer instead etc..

EDIT: The town will be unable to reach a consensus on who to lynch.

[lunaris888]

Gas = Arsonist
Loner = Survivor
weapons = Vigilante, Mafioso, Jailer
"Citizens" = Godfather, Veteran
Knives = SK
Secret organization = Cultist

The Arsonist ignites and kills the Serial Killer.
The Survivor skips his action.
The Serial Killer Murders the Survivor.
The Jailer executes the Godfather.
The Mafioso kills the Arsonist (Who is NOT night immune).
The Veteran goes on alert.
The Cultist tries to convert the Veteran but is eliminated.
The Vigilante kills the Mafioso.

This is a 3 town vs 2 maf vs SK/Cult/Arso endgame sit. This is assuming everything goes right for town - The Mafioso could have murdered the Jailer instead etc..

EDIT: The town will be unable to reach a consensus on who to lynch.

Incorrect, and arsonist in this situation is set to night immune.

[lunaris888]

Possible 5 town vs 4 evil scenario(perphaps not epic loss but still pretty much over for town):

Gas = Bus Driver
Loner = Witch
Weapons = Mafioso, Jailor, Vigilante
citi/sinister = GF + Veteran
Knives = Serial Killer
Secret Organization = Mason

Veteran goes on alert.
Mason does nothing.
Bus driver switches mason with himself.
Jailor jails and executes GF (8 left)
Mafioso kills witch.(7 left)
Witch controls vigilante to shoot mafioso, mafioso dies. (6 left)
Serial Killer visits the veteran and dies.(5 left, only townies)
Town wins :)

GF + busdriver could be replaced with arsonist and citizen. The problem is killing off more than 2 night immune roles when veteran only gets to kill one.

Incorrect, but much closer than the person directly below your post

[Duzero]

Incorrect, but much closer than the person directly below your post

How many non-town do you have?

[lunaris888]

How many non-town do you have?

Yes or no questions only please, otherwise you get into questions like "who did what?" and ruin the whole lateral thinking part of the game.

[Duzero]

Yes or no questions only please, otherwise you get into questions like "who did what?" and ruin the whole lateral thinking part of the game.

Ok, well. Are there more non-town than in my suggested setup?

[lunaris888]

Ok, well. Are there more non-town than in my suggested setup?

No

[Guardian]

Questions: Are any roles repeated?

[lunaris888]

Questions: Are any roles repeated?

Fantastic question, answer is: no.

[creedkingsx]

One works with gas = Bus Driver
One is a loner = Witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Veteran and GF
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Mason

Jailor jails and executes Godfather.
Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Mason does nothing, not even talks.
Veteran goes on alert.
Serial Killer visit Veteran.

I am not sure, but does Godfather being in jail count as refraining from his night action? If so, I could make the solution I offered less likely by making Mason Cult and have them visit the Veteran as well.

[lunaris888]

One works with gas = Bus Driver
One is a loner = Witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Veteran and GF
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Mason

Jailor jails and executes Godfather.
Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Mason does nothing, not even talks.
Veteran goes on alert.
Serial Killer visit Veteran.

I am not sure, but does Godfather being in jail count as refraining from his night action? If so, I could make the solution I offered less likely by making Mason Cult and have them visit the Veteran as well.

You are close, but you are wrong, you have one role misconstrued and it throws off your scenario.

[Duzero]

Instead of just juggling the roles around i thought about a different approach, since you say there are 9 players alive at the start of the day.

This is a 4 town vs 5 non-town :O

Gas = Arsonist.
Loner = Witch
Weapons = Mafioso, Jailor, Vigilante
citi/sinister = Jester + Veteran
Knives = Serial Killer
Secret Organization = Cult.

So the day starts with 9 players alive:
Jester gets lynched during the day, with arsonist as the only guilty voter.

Now the night begins:

Veteran goes on alert.
Cult visits veteran and dies. (1 down).
Arsonist suicides in grief of killing the poor jester (2 down).
Jailor jails and executes SK (3 down).
Mafioso kills witch.(4 down).
Vigilante doesn't want to shoot anyone, but the witch will force him to.
Witch controls vigilante to shoot mafioso, mafioso dies. (all 5 down).

[creedkingsx]

You are close, but you are wrong, you have one role misconstrued and it throws off your scenario.

Is that at all fixed in what I mentioned in the end?

[lunaris888]

Instead of just juggling the roles around i thought about a different approach, since you say there are 9 players alive at the start of the day.

This is a 4 town vs 5 non-town :O

Gas = Arsonist.
Loner = Witch
Weapons = Mafioso, Jailor, Vigilante
citi/sinister = Jester + Veteran
Knives = Serial Killer
Secret Organization = Cult.

So the day starts with 9 players alive:
Jester gets lynched during the day, with arsonist as the only guilty voter.

Now the night begins:

Veteran goes on alert.
Cult visits veteran and dies. (1 down).
Arsonist suicides in grief of killing the poor jester (2 down).
Jailor jails and executes SK (3 down).
Mafioso kills witch.(4 down).
Vigilante doesn't want to shoot anyone, but the witch will force him to.
Witch controls vigilante to shoot mafioso, mafioso dies. (all 5 down).




You are on the right track, getting much closer, but 2 of your roles are off, and you are forgetting that a jailor cannot jail after a lynch.

[lunaris888]

Is that at all fixed in what I mentioned in the end?

Unfortunately no, the role you mistook would still be in the mix.

[creedkingsx]

Unfortunately no, the role you mistook would still be in the mix.

Alright, that's fair. Okay, so when you say "the role I mistook," do you mean:
There is a role that isn't supposed to be there?
or:
Did I have a role that's action was used incorrectly? :D
See how I made them 2 yes or no questions :P If I am legal to ask either of those.

[lunaris888]

Alright, that's fair. Okay, so when you say "the role I mistook," do you mean:
There is a role that isn't supposed to be there?
or:
Did I have a role that's action was used incorrectly? :D
See how I made them 2 yes or no questions :P If I am legal to ask either of those.

yes and yes

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Questions -

Was there a lynch the night before?

If so, was the lynched player a jester?

Did anyone commit suicide or leave the game?

Does town win if Witch is alive?

Does veteran ignore immunity?

Does doctor prevent conversion?

Are there more Evil (arson/witch/cult/mafia) roles than Benign (survivor/town)?

[lunaris888]

Questions -

Was there a lynch the night before?

If so, was the lynched player a jester?

Did anyone commit suicide or leave the game?

Does town win if Witch is alive?

Does veteran ignore immunity?

Does doctor prevent conversion?

Are there more Evil (arson/witch/cult/mafia) roles than Benign (survivor/town)?

Im assuming you mean the day before the night, if so yes.

Yes to the second question

No

No

Yes

Yes

No

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Im assuming you mean the day before the night, if so yes.

Yes to the second question

No

No

Yes

Yes

No


Did anyone commit suicide due to Jester lynch?

[lunaris888]

Did anyone commit suicide due to Jester lynch?
@_@ you making me drag this out

It would be kind to others on this thread if you spoiler this question

And yes

[creedkingsx]

One works with gas = Bus Driver
One is a loner = Witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Jester and GF
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Cult

Jailor jails and executes Godfather.
Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Serial Killer targets Cult
Serial Killer suicided from Jester.
Cult refrains from action because they are on cool down from previous conversion

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Works with gas = bus driver
One is loner = witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Vigilante, Mafioso
Two are citizens or something sinister = godfather and vigilante
One has knives = Doctor
One is part of organization = cult



Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Doctor heals Jailor
Cult converts veteran (gets shot)
Godfather attacks Jailor (gets healed)
Jailor does nothing because of previous day lynch
Godfather suicides to Jester


In case im wrong -

Does jester count towards the 9 starting roles?

[creedkingsx]

Completely forgot about lynching prevents jail x.x
wp Burnt O.o

[lunaris888]

One works with gas = Bus Driver
One is a loner = Witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Jester and GF
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Cult

Jailor jails and executes Godfather.
Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Serial Killer targets Cult
Serial Killer suicided from Jester.
Cult refrains from action because they are on cool down from previous conversion

Two of your roles are wrong.

[lunaris888]

Works with gas = bus driver
One is loner = witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Vigilante, Mafioso
Two are citizens or something sinister = godfather and vigilante
One has knives = Doctor
One is part of organization = cult



Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Doctor heals Jailor
Cult converts veteran (gets shot)
Godfather attacks Jailor (gets healed)
Jailor does nothing because of previous day lynch
Godfather suicides to Jester


In case im wrong -

Does jester count towards the 9 starting roles?



3 of your roles are incorrect, and yes jester counts toward the original 9 roles.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

1. Does the Person in the organization abstain?

2. Is anyone healed?

3. Does Godfather count towards abstaining if Mafioso attacks and vice-versa?

4. Does Veteran count as "have weapons?"

[lunaris888]

1. Does the Person in the organization abstain?

2. Is anyone healed?

3. Does Godfather count towards abstaining if Mafioso attacks and vice-versa?

4. Does Veteran count as "have weapons?"

no

no

yes

no

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

One works with gas = Arsonist
One is a loner = Amnesiac
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Jester and Veteran
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Cult


Arsonist burns SK.
Veteran goes on Alert
SK visits Veteran (dies)
Arsonist commits suicide to Jester
Jailor abstains
Vigilante shoots Mafioso
Mafioso shoots Cult
Amnesiac becomes Jester or w/e
Cult tries to convert Mafioso

Cult doesn't really do anything as far as I see. So I can interchange it with mason and have the mafioso kill himself with witch and have vigi shoot witch instead of an amnesiac. Too many possibilities yo

[lunaris888]

One works with gas = Arsonist
One is a loner = Amnesiac
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Jester and Veteran
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Cult


Arsonist burns SK.
Veteran goes on Alert
SK visits Veteran (dies)
Arsonist commits suicide to Jester
Jailor abstains
Vigilante shoots Mafioso
Mafioso shoots Cult
Amnesiac becomes Jester or w/e
Cult tries to convert Mafioso

Cult doesn't really do anything as far as I see. So I can interchange it with mason and have the mafioso kill himself with witch and have vigi shoot witch instead of an amnesiac. Too many possibilities yo

You are close, your gas/loner are incorrect tho and its mason, not cult.

[Gerik]

Are there redundant kills? (e.g. "shot then stabbed repeatedly after death" or "committed suicide and then shot again", etc.)

[Slaol]

Town
- Bus Driver
- Jailor
- Vigilante
- Veteran
- Mason

Non-Town
- Mafioso
- Witch
- Serial Killer
- Jester

Bus Driver
- Swaps Mafioso & Vigilante
Witch
- Witches Mafioso (now Vigilante) to kill Vigilante (now Mafioso)
Mafioso
- Targets Vigilante (now Mafioso) run over by a bus
Vigilante
- Targets Mafioso (bus makes him target himself) (Witch makes him re-target the Mafioso)
Jailor
- Lynching during the day, he can not act but does not factor into the group of those who CHOSE not to act.
Jester
- Lynched during the day. (This stopping the Jailor from acting)
Veteran
- Goes on alert
Serial Killer
- Targets the Witch
- Commits suicide over the Jester
Mason
- Becomes Mason Leader
- Chooses not to act as there are no cult, citizens, and he could run into a Veteran.

In Order
- Veteran goes on Alert
- Bus Driver Swaps Vigilante and Mafioso
- Witch makes 'Mafioso' target 'Vigilante'
- Vigilante targets Mafioso
- Mafioso targets Vigilante
- Serial Killer targets Witch
- Serial Killer is killed by Jester

Jester lynched during the day
Mafioso is run over by the Bus Driver
Witch is killed by a Serial Killer
Serial Killer commits suicide

[LeaD]

One works with gas = Bus Driver
One is a loner = Witch
Three have weapons = Jailor, Mafioso, Vigilante.
Two are citizens or something sinister = Veteran and GF
One has knives = SK
One is part of a secret organization. = Mason

Jailor jails and executes Godfather.
Mafioso targets Witch
Witch forces Vigilante to target Mafioso.
Bus Driver Switches Witch and Mafioso (causing mafioso to be run over by bus and Witch to die by high-caliber bullet.)
Cult commits suicide due to jester day before.
Veteran goes on alert.
Serial Killer visit Veteran.

I am not sure, but does Godfather being in jail count as refraining from his night action? If so, I could make the solution I offered less likely by making Mason Cult and have them visit the Veteran as well.
fixed for truth