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Capitalier
April 3rd, 2012, 11:44 AM
This is the finalized list.
Apologies to those that did not make the cut.

McPwnage
Arexjamin
MagmaRam
Goremancer
Rihfok
Kromos
Luna
Lysergic
Kovath
Muso
Philie
Crimson
Raptorblaze
TheWaaaagh
Blazer
Elixir
Gingerape
Roschi
Dont Shoot Me
CmG
Northstar
Frostbyte
Ubernox
ajkei
Borkbot
Auckmid
Creedkingsx
Sumikoko
Ambient
Deathfire
Ganondorf
Clawtrocity


Reserves:


Ash
Gamefreak
Fitzginger
Bruno
J
Sinclair
Escaho





it will start in about 2 weeks lol
plz note you cannot play a fm 12 and a mfm at same time so plan accordingly
setup is non-anon, 2 maf, 1 cult, randomized by category save for declared roles (we will use separate accounts however)
metagaming will be penalized

philie
April 3rd, 2012, 11:45 AM
mew

/sign

Crimson
April 3rd, 2012, 11:45 AM
/sign phillie u win this time

Deathfire123
April 3rd, 2012, 11:46 AM
/le sign lover boy <3

TheWaaagh
April 3rd, 2012, 11:47 AM
/sign but i want to be town witch

Deathfire123
April 3rd, 2012, 11:48 AM
Can I be Serial Killer Sided Consort?

DramaLlama
April 3rd, 2012, 11:48 AM
/unterzeichnen

ICH BIN FROH!


For legal reasons I have to include this statement in english along with the proper formatting.
/sign

Rihfok
April 3rd, 2012, 11:49 AM
/sign

I'm in three M-FMs, so I'll have enough experience to play this one.

Crimson
April 3rd, 2012, 11:50 AM
/sign

I'm in three M-FMs, so I'll have enough experience to play this one.

Good luck, do well.

oops_ur_dead
April 3rd, 2012, 11:51 AM
/sign

Kromos
April 3rd, 2012, 11:57 AM
/sign

Please don't make me a cit :S

CmG
April 3rd, 2012, 11:57 AM
/sign

I want to be Spree killer lover together with raptor

DramaLlama
April 3rd, 2012, 12:03 PM
/sign

Please don't make me a cit :S

QFT

Playing cit 2 fms in a row really sucks, I feel ya :(
Please don't make it 3 in a row for anyone haha
(INB4 he makes us cits for teh lulz)

Ambient
April 3rd, 2012, 12:05 PM
/sign

Crimson
April 3rd, 2012, 12:17 PM
thdxfhtg

Blazer
April 3rd, 2012, 12:20 PM
/sign

Kony
April 3rd, 2012, 12:34 PM
needs more slots 32 too low cant keel nuff people no sign

Lysergic
April 3rd, 2012, 12:49 PM
/sign

Kovath
April 3rd, 2012, 01:03 PM
dunno what the setup is

/sign anyway

trolololololo

creedkingsx
April 3rd, 2012, 01:08 PM
/sign :D

McJesus
April 3rd, 2012, 01:14 PM
/sign

NorthStar
April 3rd, 2012, 01:23 PM
/sign
Veigar was a success.

Ganondorf
April 3rd, 2012, 01:29 PM
/sign

PLZ DONT MAKE ME SCUM PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ YOU WILL DOOM US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luna
April 3rd, 2012, 02:13 PM
s/gin

/sing

nigs/

/sign

Rocshi
April 3rd, 2012, 02:28 PM
/sign

Mopin
April 3rd, 2012, 02:32 PM
/sign

If you let me join with Kromos (same ip)

Dont Shoot Me
April 3rd, 2012, 02:38 PM
/sign

Here's to hoping I don't roll citizen yet again.

Muso
April 3rd, 2012, 02:39 PM
/sign

Ash
April 3rd, 2012, 03:21 PM
/sign
last game was pretty quick, eh? once cult dies early it's a bigger challenge for a mafia

Ganondorf
April 3rd, 2012, 03:34 PM
It's too bad too: I would've gladly formed a temporary truce with the Assassins since I couldn't recruit them... the way I saw it, I was no threat to them until we got a KPN, so they should have no problem working with us.

Ubernox
April 3rd, 2012, 03:58 PM
/sing

Goremancer
April 3rd, 2012, 04:00 PM
UHHHHH WE GUESS WE'LL SIGN.

/sign

Auckmid
April 3rd, 2012, 04:21 PM
/sign

Gingerape
April 3rd, 2012, 04:38 PM
I umm..
/sign

FalseTruth
April 3rd, 2012, 04:57 PM
My Good Fellows, I wish to express my interest in joining this rather promiscuous recreational activity. I express my deepest sympathies to the loss of your beloved pussycat. I find myself in an awkward position at this time so I will simply say, "How do you do?".

I take my leave knowing full well you have no clue what I am referring to.

BorkBot
April 3rd, 2012, 05:19 PM
/sign me up

Question: What exactly is classified as metagaming and what will be the repercussions?

Digging for forum names/name claims using info from old FMs/MFMs?

Chatting about the game on skype? (this happens every time even if there are rules against it..)

GameFreak
April 3rd, 2012, 05:21 PM
/sign

ajkei
April 3rd, 2012, 05:24 PM
/sign

/sign
Veigar was a success.
TILL YOU GAT SHAT!
..then the mafia decided to kill you too. I still have no idea why they would do that...

Kovath
April 3rd, 2012, 05:26 PM
/sign

TILL YOU GAT SHAT!
..then the mafia decided to kill you too. I still have no idea why they would do that...

Actually Fiora shot Veigar if I remember correctly (Vig)

ajkei
April 3rd, 2012, 05:27 PM
Actually Fiora shot Veigar if I remember correctly (Vig)

I was Fiora.
And yes i did.

ajkei
April 3rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
Oh never mind. Just checked.
The mafia never killed you. the description was just weird.
One more mystery solved.

Deathfire123
April 3rd, 2012, 05:58 PM
/sign

PLZ DONT MAKE ME SCUM PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ YOU WILL DOOM US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLZ MAKE ME GANONDORF AND WAAAGH ON THE SAME MAFIA TEAM PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ WE WILL TOTALLY WIN THIS TIME!!!!!

fitzginger
April 3rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
/sign

Auckmid
April 3rd, 2012, 06:25 PM
plz note you cannot play a fm 12 and a mfm at same time so plan accordingly
"A FM XII"? Does that mean there will be 2 FM XII going at once?

Forum Mafia GM
April 3rd, 2012, 06:30 PM
"A FM XII"? Does that mean there will be 2 FM XII going at once?

yes there is one in my pants

Ash
April 3rd, 2012, 06:31 PM
this is gonna be the best fm host in history.

Dust
April 3rd, 2012, 06:35 PM
Unfortunately I cannot play this fm. I shall sit this one out.

Blazer
April 3rd, 2012, 06:49 PM
Change your avatar picture NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FM Game Master is not allowed to have that shitty picture as his avatar!

DramaLlama
April 3rd, 2012, 06:54 PM
Blake lively is hot :D

creedkingsx
April 3rd, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mila Kunis is hotter :D

Auckmid
April 3rd, 2012, 07:24 PM
this is gonna be the best fm host in history.
Lolz.

Nice one:D

straykiwi
April 3rd, 2012, 07:48 PM
/sign

I have never played in a FM before, therefore I cannot metagame.
Also I am a talented manipulator !~

Blazer
April 3rd, 2012, 07:53 PM
/sign

I have never played in a FM before, therefore I cannot metagame.
Also I am a talented manipulator !~

You can accidentally meta-game. Possible? Yes. Hard? Not for some T.T

straykiwi
April 3rd, 2012, 08:03 PM
You can accidentally meta-game. Possible? Yes. Hard? Not for some T.T

Yeah but even in sc2 mafia I hate the metagame. In my setups I avoid sheriff and investigator roles for 'role calling metagame' and instead add manipulative roles like vigilante bodyguard and veteran, and detective and lookout.

Ganondorf
April 3rd, 2012, 08:15 PM
PLZ MAKE ME GANONDORF AND WAAAGH ON THE SAME MAFIA TEAM PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ WE WILL TOTALLY WIN THIS TIME!!!!!

LEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOY JEEENKIIINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MagmaRam
April 3rd, 2012, 08:46 PM
/sign man I don't even know what metagame is anymore someone metagamed the metagame so that metagame metagame metagame

creedkingsx
April 3rd, 2012, 08:49 PM
/sign man I don't even know what metagame is anymore someone metagamed the metagame so that metagame metagame metagame

Why does your name seem so familiar

MagmaRam
April 3rd, 2012, 08:55 PM
Why does your name seem so familiar
I am everywhere. At all times. Also because it's a mythical sheeprambeast that moves continents that I made up in TL IRC one day waiting for GSL to start.

TheJackofSpades
April 3rd, 2012, 09:11 PM
/sign me up

Question: What exactly is classified as metagaming and what will be the repercussions?

Digging for forum names/name claims using info from old FMs/MFMs?

Chatting about the game on skype? (this happens every time even if there are rules against it..)

I will make a more conclusive subset of specific things I do not wish to see occur in FM12 closer to the start of the game but basically the general rule of thumb will be something along the lines of: If you're pulling information from outside of night chats, night action PMs, and day chat in order to justify an argument or proving a point or creating a counterpoint, don't fucking do it.

I'll provide two seperate examples:
1) Establishing someone is jailed by asking them to read off the subforum title.
2) We should lynch Jack because he isn't talkative or helpful when he's scum.

The meta play in FM is getting to be completely out of control. I'm not certain Elixir is correct in blaming FMX for this but if it's allowed to it will spiral out of control to the point where the game simply won't be fun anymore for scum. No one can balance around metagame play, the game should be about the setup and the game itself.

Blazer
April 3rd, 2012, 09:13 PM
...I'm sorry T.T I won't do it again. I promise....I understand if you don't want me to play though....

Adolf Hitler
April 3rd, 2012, 09:55 PM
/Unterschrift

Ich wünsche, die Maffia zu hängen, da sie den Willen der deutschen Leute untergraben, um bedrückend, Zionist-Verbrecher-Organisationen der zu stürzen, zerstört die deutsche Wirtschaft.

FrostByte
April 3rd, 2012, 09:57 PM
/sign

Bruno
April 3rd, 2012, 09:57 PM
/sign

FrostByte
April 3rd, 2012, 10:06 PM
/Unterschrift

Ich wünsche, die Maffia zu hängen, da sie den Willen der deutschen Leute untergraben, um bedrückend, Zionist-Verbrecher-Organisationen der zu stürzen, zerstört die deutsche Wirtschaft.
Babelfish much?

McJesus
April 3rd, 2012, 10:42 PM
Wait so let me understand this correctly? We aren't going to have anonymous accounts and we are not expected to meta game?!? This is doomed to fail.

Deathfire123
April 3rd, 2012, 10:54 PM
Wait so let me understand this correctly? We aren't going to have anonymous accounts and we are not expected to meta game?!? This is doomed to fail.

It's called modkilling the assholes who dare try to ruin the fun

trineroks
April 3rd, 2012, 11:18 PM
What's up with hosts no longer letting people play SFM/MFM while playing FM at the same time? :[

Ganondorf
April 3rd, 2012, 11:39 PM
What's up with hosts no longer letting people play SFM/MFM while playing FM at the same time? :[

There were people that spent more time playing MFM than the actual FM, and they were getting very inactive...

Capitalier
April 3rd, 2012, 11:47 PM
What's up with hosts no longer letting people play SFM/MFM while playing FM at the same time? :[

I will try to wait for MFM 7 to end before starting.

Sumikoko
April 4th, 2012, 12:23 AM
We should lynch Jack because he isn't talkative or helpful when he's scum.

This is certainly something very hard to prevent, as we're completely dropping the veil this time on identities, and some people simply have very distinct playstyles coupled with the fact that forum mafia has a fairly closely knit community. Even if not explicitly stated as reasons for day chat, your power roles are simply going to investigate/jail/shoot/chainsaw these people with the underlying bias that they're scum simply because of their playstyle changes, and thus get concrete evidence from these biases from personal experience.

/sine :|

Rihfok
April 4th, 2012, 12:27 AM
Chill. Noone knows my playstyle yet. It will all be cool. I don't know other people playstyles too, so my playing will be more unbiased.

New players are so cool sometimes.

FalseTruth
April 4th, 2012, 12:45 AM
If you remove anonymity, the game will become more meta, not less. People will vote based on how they feel a player would play when he is scum or town.

For example, I tend to be a lot quieter when I am scum and don't post a lot of helpful stuff like role lists. People could take notice to this and vote me solely for that reason. Is that a legitimate strategic maneuver? How would you prevent it from happening?

There is no way to monitor that metagame bias if they post no words or very few words to compliment their vote. You wouldn't be able to modkill them for it because you have no way of know why they voted me. They could just as well use a different reason to justify their vote and start a bandwagon, but the initial suspicion would be due to metagaming.

It's as if you want more privacy while taking a piss, but you leave the door open instead of closing it.

I'm inclined to believe your motivation for not wanting anonymity stems from not wanting to create the accounts. If that is the case, just say it. Don't frame it as if you actually are trying to solve the problem when you are undoing the only preventive measure we have.

Crimson
April 4th, 2012, 12:48 AM
To be honest, I'm all for non-anon or anon because if we are using non-anon I will surely not die unless Claw wants revenge on me. People just don't see me as a threat.

Non-anon will bring back memories of my first FM, FM2, in which I was cheated out of MVP.


Anon, however, might be overall the best choice. It's not a big deal, I'm down with whatever.

Nick
April 4th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Wait so let me understand this correctly? We aren't going to have anonymous accounts and we are not expected to meta game?!? This is doomed to fail.

Banning metagame (beyond game environment) discussion completely is fine. It won't harm the game. You still can use metagame information such as speech pattern, posting time, etc. but just keep it to yourself? Not too sure about people with night chats though...

If anything, metagame spoils RP and anonymous accounts.


What's up with hosts no longer letting people play SFM/MFM while playing FM at the same time? :[

Call it
1) Concentrate in one game
2) Give everyone a chance
3) No hogging games
4) Leak of metagame information


There were people that spent more time playing MFM than the actual FM, and they were getting very inactive...

Not sure if this has actually happened yet.


This is certainly something very hard to prevent, as we're completely dropping the veil this time on identities, and some people simply have very distinct playstyles coupled with the fact that forum mafia has a fairly closely knit community. Even if not explicitly stated as reasons for day chat, your power roles are simply going to investigate/jail/shoot/chainsaw these people with the underlying bias that they're scum simply because of their playstyle changes, and thus get concrete evidence from these biases from personal experience.

I guess constantly trying different playstyles or be consistent will somehow solve the problem. The issues with non-anonymous account is that solo evil roles are almost impossible to win for certain people, and the high expectations on veteran players to contribute.

Luna
April 4th, 2012, 04:04 AM
I still like the anon accounts because, well, they're just a bit of fun where you get to pick funny avatars and create a little persona :) You can also end up having little bonding moments with people you've never spoken to before. Besides, no one guessed who I was in FMXI mwahaha.

I'm So Meta Even This Acronym

Luna
April 4th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Aww FMXI has been archived already? I wanted to see the epilogue

Elixir
April 4th, 2012, 04:33 AM
I'm writing the epilogue to be epic enough to make up for the non epic day threads. It will be rather large. I also have to deliberate on 'awards'

It will take some time.

In the meanwhile,

/sign.

philie
April 4th, 2012, 05:18 AM
I agree with False on that one.
Generally anyone unhelpful is probably scum or bored citizen, Jack or not. Its meta, too.
To prevent them from asking meta questions like what was name of the chat, make all that info public, revealing it to anyone interested in knowing.
Mafia wasn't screwed because of meta last game, anyway. It was screwed by luck. To remedy that you could give cult a vest or something, but don't blame it on something that had no hand in this.

Kony
April 4th, 2012, 05:24 AM
Kony dislike anon accounts

Muso
April 4th, 2012, 05:36 AM
I agree with philie and false. I also don't understand why anybody would point the finger at Yayap for the game being as it is, when he went to huge lengths to make metagaming unreliable (individual PMs), variable search investigation results, etc. People are always going to want to use whatever information they have, and it's unfair to expect people to ignore information they've discerned. The use of non anon accounts is going to exacerbate this 'problem' soo much.

Are you going to force the vigilante to quote players' posts extensively and provide extensive sound reasoning before being able to fire their gun? Because otherwise, now they're caught in the situation that they know Jack is unhelpful and quiet when he's scum, and they know exactly who Jack is, but they don't have to explicitly state it to fire their gun so it's all cool.

This is surely more metagaming, not less.

TheJackofSpades
April 4th, 2012, 07:25 AM
If you remove anonymity, the game will become more meta, not less.
The game is just as meta with anonymity as it is without it. It's like you're just playing devil's advocate with me here. Think about what anonymity offers to the game: Protection from targeted attacks and investigations. Whenever someone comes under the gun they're immediately expected to claim com identity. That is the extent of anonymity, and for the most part it is solely to the town's benefit because non-anonymous scum can always claim framed.

People will vote based on how they feel a player would play when he is scum or town.

For example, I tend to be a lot quieter when I am scum and don't post a lot of helpful stuff like role lists. People could take notice to this and vote me solely for that reason. Is that a legitimate strategic maneuver? How would you prevent it from happening?
Prevention is already in place for the most part. Being unable to quantify a reason for voting is always considered scummy, and band wagoning without one is doubly so. That excuse is also a load of shit. I don't recall a single person being lynched based on the merit of who they were rather than what they were doing in FM6. You guys speak like you only heard about non-anonymous FMs in hushed whispers from your parents before bedtime. Every single one of you have fucking been apart of them.


There is no way to monitor that metagame bias if they post no words or very few words to compliment their vote. You wouldn't be able to modkill them for it because you have no way of know why they voted me. They could just as well use a different reason to justify their vote and start a bandwagon, but the initial suspicion would be due to metagaming.
Same thing as above. But they actually got physical evidence from the game to back up their suspicion.


I'm inclined to believe your motivation for not wanting anonymity stems from not wanting to create the accounts. If that is the case, just say it. Don't frame it as if you actually are trying to solve the problem when you are undoing the only preventive measure we have.
Yeah that's totally our motivation... except we're still distributing accounts to account for a possible disguiser.

Look um... I'm earnestly unsure of why some of the supposed "veterans" have such a hard time putting aside information gained from improper means. Is it really so hard to just play the game from a game-by-game basis?


People are always going to want to use whatever information they have, and it's unfair to expect people to ignore information they've discerned.

No, it's not unfair. People expect information to be ignored that was gathered unlawfully all the time. It's called our judicial system. If any of you really find it so hard to do so maybe it's best you sit this one out.

McJesus
April 4th, 2012, 07:51 AM
what exactly is the motivation for removing anonymous accounts?

Also unlawfully obtained evidence can't just be ignored, that is why there are mistrials. A jury can't just be like "yeah I never saw that" it will make an impression on them regardless.

Kovath
April 4th, 2012, 07:54 AM
Easy: make it modkillable, to (claim COM, ask for COM, say someone is scum without evidence because of outside, etc.)

It's true that veterans will know people's COM. But if they are unable to share that with others to prove their accusations/tells then it's useless.

I kinda agree with Jack, it's not fair to base player's styles and experience from COM. It just adds an unwanted element to the game that unbalances the setup.

Luna
April 4th, 2012, 08:06 AM
Meh it's not a problem we can fix - if you're worried about your COM identity then try to play in a way which isn't like you.

It's like when you're playing in a game where the feedback messages are made publicly available... people will STILL ask you to quote PMs. Especially hilarious when you're asked to quote the PMs you sent *to* the GM.

Kony
April 4th, 2012, 08:08 AM
or we play this in real life and when dead we have no problem with identity next game

Rihfok
April 4th, 2012, 08:20 AM
or we play this in real life and when dead we have no problem with identity next game

I want to do this.

Clawtrocity
April 4th, 2012, 09:56 AM
Sign me up

Capitalier
April 4th, 2012, 10:41 AM
I'm inclined to believe your motivation for not wanting anonymity stems from not wanting to create the accounts. If that is the case, just say it. Don't frame it as if you actually are trying to solve the problem when you are undoing the only preventive measure we have.

I clearly stated that we're using different accounts to prevent you from randomly reading all the night chats.

TheJackofSpades
April 4th, 2012, 10:43 AM
what exactly is the motivation for removing anonymous accounts?


I will answer your question but allow me to ask a counter-question first.

Why is it suddenly so important that anonymity is never deviated from?

TheWaaagh
April 4th, 2012, 10:51 AM
I will answer your question but allow me to ask a counter-question first.

Why is it suddenly so important that anonymity is never deviated from?

Well the last time we had a non-anon game you did end up using a smurf instead of your actual account lol.

Kony
April 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM
jack chicken cant be soldier not army join

TheJackofSpades
April 4th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Well the last time we had a non-anon game you did end up using a smurf instead of your actual account lol.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

My participation in FM6 under the guise of Brennenburg was an experiment on how much a new player could get away with before someone took notice. It was a valuable lesson while it lasted.

TheWaaagh
April 4th, 2012, 11:21 AM
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

My participation in FM6 under the guise of Brennenburg was an experiment on how much a new player could get away with before someone took notice. It was a valuable lesson while it lasted.

It's not personally attacking you when there's contradictions in your own behaviors. You can't expect everyone else to be comfortable with a non-anon game when you yourself weren't. In fact I think what happened that game is proof of the flaw in your argument.

Once you revealed as Jack you were jailed and killed without even being talked to. You really don't think that kind of shit will happen again this time? I understand that you're going to post something later detailing your full plans for what constitutes metagame knowledge and how you'll penalize people for using it, but I just don't see, at this moment, how you'll prevent shit like that from happening. If a jailor opts to kill Yayap N1 without talking to him, are you just going to be like "write an essay on your decision or it doesn't happen"?

TheJackofSpades
April 4th, 2012, 11:29 AM
It's not personally attacking you when there's contradictions in your own behaviors. You can't expect everyone else to be comfortable with a non-anon game when you yourself weren't. In fact I think what happened that game is proof of the flaw in your argument.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html


Once you revealed as Jack you were jailed and killed without even being talked to. You really don't think that kind of shit will happen again this time? I understand that you're going to post something later detailing your full plans for what constitutes metagame knowledge and how you'll penalize people for using it, but I just don't see, at this moment, how you'll prevent shit like that from happening. If a jailor opts to kill Yayap N1 without talking to him, are you just going to be like "write an essay on your decision or it doesn't happen"?

I was killed because of my actions in-game and while jailed, not because of who I was.

TheWaaagh
April 4th, 2012, 11:39 AM
I was killed because of my actions in-game and while jailed, not because of who I was.

I can't do reply quote but here's an excerpt from the night you died:

[1:59:35 AM] JackofSpades: This just in, I am a badass.
[3:03:37 AM] JackofSpades: You clearly underestimate my persuasive skills

Delusions of grandeur I think should be swiftly stopped.

Execute him. (Elixir Jail Chat N2 Post #7)

Jack is too arrogant, so don't let him bluff you. Execute him and be on your way. It will be doing everyone a favor.
(Fred Jail Chat N2 Post #6)

I guess you could argue that that was just your personality for "that one game" and that's why you died. But I think we both know that's not true. Or maybe we don't. I could also find posts if I wanted to from the other chats talking about other people, like Philie deciding to kill Yayap despite him saying in the game that he was openly siding with Lucifer. Or Eternity freaking out about Claw's actions, or everyone in general letting False take over the day 2 chat with his pretending to know who the devil was based purely on his reputation.

In fact I'll have to double back and check over the threads again, but didn't you reveal yourself as Jack because of how disappointed you were over not being listened to? That's my vague recollection of events anyway. And before you link more fallacies, I'm saying that your experiment should have shown that at the end of the day people are more likely to follow vets than come out and make a name for themselves. It sucks, but it's the truth. I remember Ambient saying that he killed people like me and Ubernox specifically because we were new and he knew that we wouldn't be the subject of any PR protection. That's still a layer of metagame whether you like it or not.

I still love you, even if I think your conclusion is wrong. Fallacy that.

McJesus
April 4th, 2012, 11:43 AM
I will answer your question but allow me to ask a counter-question first.

Why is it suddenly so important that anonymity is never deviated from?

Because people's fm reputations play too big a part into things. In FMVI the first thing I did with eternity was investigate claw because he is claw and messes with everyone. When I found out he was a citizen I could ignore him off the bat for most of the game. Things like that happen and reputation comes into play. I'm not saying it can't work as I think it does work to an extent in the non-anonymous mfm's but I also think having anonymous accounts adds a layer of suspense into the game and allows you to play the way you want without preconceived notions.

TheJackofSpades
April 4th, 2012, 12:07 PM
I can't do reply quote but here's an excerpt from the night you died:

[1:59:35 AM] JackofSpades: This just in, I am a badass.
[3:03:37 AM] JackofSpades: You clearly underestimate my persuasive skills

Delusions of grandeur I think should be swiftly stopped.

Execute him. (Elixir Jail Chat N2 Post #7)

Jack is too arrogant, so don't let him bluff you. Execute him and be on your way. It will be doing everyone a favor.
(Fred Jail Chat N2 Post #6)
Thank you for proving my point


I guess you could argue that that was just your personality for "that one game" and that's why you died. But I think we both know that's not true. Or maybe we don't. I could also find posts if I wanted to from the other chats talking about other people, like Philie deciding to kill Yayap despite him saying in the game that he was openly siding with Lucifer. Or Eternity freaking out about Claw's actions, or everyone in general letting False take over the day 2 chat with his pretending to know who the devil was based purely on his reputation.
Yayap was killed because his declaration and his actions contradicted. Claw is going to freak people out whether he is anonymous or not. That is proven from every FM since he started getting serious. Third point is conjecture and completely unarguable.


In fact I'll have to double back and check over the threads again, but didn't you reveal yourself as Jack because of how disappointed you were over not being listened to? That's my vague recollection of events anyway. And before you link more fallacies, I'm saying that your experiment should have shown that at the end of the day people are more likely to follow vets than come out and make a name for themselves. It sucks, but it's the truth. I remember Ambient saying that he killed people like me and Ubernox specifically because we were new and he knew that we wouldn't be the subject of any PR protection. That's still a layer of metagame whether you like it or not.
Incorrect. I revealed because I was being lynched.


Because people's fm reputations play too big a part into things. In FMVI the first thing I did with eternity was investigate claw because he is claw and messes with everyone. When I found out he was a citizen I could ignore him off the bat for most of the game. Things like that happen and reputation comes into play. I'm not saying it can't work as I think it does work to an extent in the non-anonymous mfm's but I also think having anonymous accounts adds a layer of suspense into the game and allows you to play the way you want without preconceived notions.
I am willing to trade night actions being influenced by "reputation" in order to free up unintended consequences of anonymity in being used as a weapon against scum. As long as reputation and the metagame is not the justification of the argument.

I'll answer your question when I get home from college tonight. It's a bit more wordy than I have time to offer atm.

Nick
April 4th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Meh it's not a problem we can fix - if you're worried about your COM identity then try to play in a way which isn't like you.


I'm surprised nobody actually bothered to initiate an organized mass COM claim on Day3. One of the more pro-town moves. But dirty.

Shouldn't the discussion revolve on the extent of metagaming allowed? For example, sure, play psychological battle over skype for all you want, and make you personal vote/action accordingly, but once you begin discussing your results from skype and use it to rally town for a lynch then I think it has gone too far. It has yet to happen but I think we are inching closer and closer to the extreme.

Rihfok
April 4th, 2012, 12:24 PM
I hope noone asks for me to quote any PMs or other stuff. Cuz I ain't doing that no matter what is my role, I consider that more like cheating.
I also think that banning COM claims in anonym games would be more or less good.
I think I will also try to play differently each game, so I don't evolve any specific behaviour.
I will be unreadable.

Nick
April 4th, 2012, 12:32 PM
I hope noone asks for me to quote any PMs or other stuff.
The host can make different PMs and allow quoting of PMs but then the metagame will be... does that PM has the host's writing style...


Cuz I ain't doing that no matter what is my role, I consider that more like cheating.

Oh yeah? Die scum!

Deathfire123
April 4th, 2012, 02:11 PM
Then when it turns out theyre town, the town makes the excuse, "Eh, he didn't say what we wanted, totally scummy."

cygx
April 4th, 2012, 03:46 PM
/sign

GriM-DeMoN
April 4th, 2012, 09:15 PM
/Signed In blood because im a Champ

Blazer
April 5th, 2012, 07:42 AM
/Signed In blood because im a Champ

lol. I get it ;)

J
April 5th, 2012, 01:49 PM
/sign


Assuming there's space :l

Raptorblaze
April 5th, 2012, 07:57 PM
/sign if there's room >.>

Archangel XIV
April 5th, 2012, 09:57 PM
IM SIGNIN UP MUTHAFUCKA

Angel
April 7th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Id play, not sure what time it is (unlear in OP) and since i never done this can someone explain how this works?

Jr4life24
April 7th, 2012, 07:41 PM
/sign

Socretin
April 10th, 2012, 05:24 AM
oh damn I didn't see this earlier -.-

/sign...

Ganondorf
April 10th, 2012, 07:26 PM
So.... is this thing still happening? lololol

Ambient
April 10th, 2012, 07:45 PM
First post. Will Start in two weeks.

Arexjamin
April 11th, 2012, 07:35 AM
If there is still room.. I shall...

/sign

TheJackofSpades
April 11th, 2012, 07:42 AM
Just an update, a finalized player list will probably come up later this week. There's about 44 signups and 32 slots so I am still pondering the "fairest" way to fill the list. I will guarantee a few slots to new players though.

That being said, anyone who signs up after this post will not be considered.

Kony
April 11th, 2012, 07:44 AM
demn im too late

Arexjamin
April 11th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Whew, I made it in by 7 minutes! Victory!

oops_ur_dead
April 11th, 2012, 11:47 AM
I lied I'm out.

Diablo
April 11th, 2012, 01:55 PM
/Sign
What is this? I'm new here

Blazer
April 11th, 2012, 02:29 PM
/Sign
What is this? I'm new here

lies

Sinclair
April 12th, 2012, 08:17 AM
/sign

I've never done one of these, I'd like to get into this. Seems pretty interesting. I love the SC2 game, so this shall be interesting. Game on!

Auckmid
April 12th, 2012, 04:01 PM
That being said, anyone who signs up after this post will not be considered.
Why are people ignoring this?

Blazer
April 12th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Why are people ignoring this?

Look at the forum you're on. lol

Sinclair
April 12th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Why are people ignoring this?

I didn't ignore it tard, I just plain out didn't see it.

You know what happens when you assume right?
You make an ass (out of) u (and) me.


And also, check my join date. I'm new. I wanted to try this, and I rushed to the last page.

DramaLlama
April 12th, 2012, 04:46 PM
/unsign

Gingerape
April 12th, 2012, 06:30 PM
/unsign

Is it because of me? ._.

Auckmid
April 12th, 2012, 07:39 PM
I didn't ignore it tard, I just plain out didn't see it.

You know what happens when you assume right?
You make an ass (out of) u (and) me.


And also, check my join date. I'm new. I wanted to try this, and I rushed to the last page.By not reading the previous posts, you were ignoring Jack's post, even if it's unintentional.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be mean or start an arguement. Have some self-esteem, and don't get so insulting and angry over such a small comment.

Sinclair
April 12th, 2012, 07:48 PM
By not reading the previous posts, you were ignoring Jack's post, even if it's unintentional.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be mean or start an arguement. Have some self-esteem, and don't get so insulting and angry over such a small comment.



Ignore

Transitive verb

1:to refuse to take notice of

I didn't refuse to read it, so - nope didn't ignore it. And I know you're not being mean or start an argument I just didn't like the way you worded it. Seemed rude IMO. You were assuming, and I hate when people assume stuff. It's a pet peeve of mine.

Deathfire123
April 12th, 2012, 07:58 PM
By not reading the previous posts, you were ignoring Jack's post, even if it's unintentional.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be mean or start an arguement. Have some self-esteem, and don't get so insulting and angry over such a small comment.

Have to say though he's got the fire for FM

Feyra
April 13th, 2012, 12:49 AM
Can I sign up? I'm new, but I really want to try this :)

Elixir
April 13th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Can I sign up? I'm new, but I really want to try this :)

IP Matched.

Why another alt, friend?

clementine
April 13th, 2012, 02:01 AM
Are you sure it's a smurf?
T.T
I just welcomed Feyra to the forum on their wall because I thought they were new... T.T
T.T

Crimson
April 13th, 2012, 02:02 AM
Zane, why so Feyra?

Crimson
April 13th, 2012, 02:03 AM
Elixir, have you been able to get a IP match on Clementine?

Duzero
April 13th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Never tried a forum mafia but would like to try sometime, if this one is full is there any other one starting soon?

Rihfok
April 13th, 2012, 02:58 AM
Never tried a forum mafia but would like to try sometime, if this one is full is there any other one starting soon?

There is only 1 big FM at a time, usually while it's going there are no smaller ones, but between two major games there are many small ones.

Duzero
April 13th, 2012, 04:51 AM
There is only 1 big FM at a time, usually while it's going there are no smaller ones, but between two major games there are many small ones.

Thanks, looked around and found a small one to try.

GriM-DeMoN
April 13th, 2012, 07:30 PM
I would love to play I signed up ages ago.
Iv never played Forum Mafia iv played Mini-Forum Mafia and Small Forum Mafia.
Never this though

Elixir
April 14th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Elixir, have you been able to get a IP match on Clementine?

Negative.

clementine
April 14th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Negative.

Because I'm not a smurf!!! D:

Escaho
April 14th, 2012, 05:51 AM
That being said, anyone who signs up after this post will not be considered.

I don't care what you say! I want to become the modkilled in the midgame!

/reserve

Archangel
April 16th, 2012, 08:42 AM
/reserve

Sinclair
April 16th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Well, I might as well try this.

/reserve
and if not
/observe

Can I even observe this? :P

Yayap
April 16th, 2012, 12:41 PM
/observe

Can I even observe this? :P
>.>
The Forum mafia will be viewable by all (except the night chats that are hidden). The previous FMs can be found below in the archives (with all night chats viewable).

The
April 16th, 2012, 01:14 PM
/siqn

Bruno
April 16th, 2012, 01:31 PM
Just an update, a finalized player list will probably come up later this week. There's about 44 signups and 32 slots so I am still pondering the "fairest" way to fill the list. I will guarantee a few slots to new players though.

That being said, anyone who signs up after this post will not be considered.

Boy, from the looks of the last few pages I wouldn't be able to tell.

Kovath
April 16th, 2012, 01:49 PM
>.>
The Forum mafia will be viewable by all (except the night chats that are hidden). The previous FMs can be found below in the archives (with all night chats viewable).

I think the reason he wants to observe is to see the night chats.

He's basing it off Kromos's MFM.

Sinclair
April 16th, 2012, 02:06 PM
I think the reason he wants to observe is to see the night chats.

He's basing it off Kromos's MFM.

Actually I've never seen one of these happen. I just joined up last week. xD I'm not too sure on the rules.

Ubernox
April 16th, 2012, 03:04 PM
Am I already signed up, or do I have to do it again?

Escaho
April 16th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Also, any chance that, in the future, we could put the main FM sign-ups in the Sign-Up forum? I saw everyone talking about signing up for FMXII, but never knew where the Sign-Ups were until a few days ago. Sucks that I missed out on it because it was in the "News" section, of all sections. =(

Sinclair
April 16th, 2012, 04:11 PM
Also, any chance that, in the future, we could put the main FM sign-ups in the Sign-Up forum? I saw everyone talking about signing up for FMXII, but never knew where the Sign-Ups were until a few days ago. Sucks that I missed out on it because it was in the "News" section, of all sections. =(

This.

Ash
April 16th, 2012, 06:29 PM
When will this start? I heard either Tuesday or Wednesday, I'm not sure if that is true.

Btw, is it alright to play Fragos's SFM at the same time? I'll only be playing SFM and this at the same time. I'll start taking notes too..... I haven't unleashed the power of notes yet :|

Blazer
April 16th, 2012, 06:30 PM
It is in news cuz it's important news.

Forum Mafia GM
April 16th, 2012, 06:34 PM
The player list has finally been finalized. Expect the game to start sometime late this week.

Lysergic
April 16th, 2012, 08:21 PM
The player list has finally been finalized. Expect the game to start sometime late this week.

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

FMing, FMing, YEAH! FMing, FMing, YEAH! Scum, scum, scum, scum, looking forward to the weekend.

Blazer
April 16th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

FMing, FMing, YEAH! FMing, FMing, YEAH! Scum, scum, scum, scum, looking forward to the weekend.

On Friday! Friday! Friday!

CmG
April 16th, 2012, 08:28 PM
-dayshoot Lysergic

Lysergic
April 16th, 2012, 09:24 PM
-dayshoot Lysergic

You were brutally attacked and left for dead, but then a stranger nursed you back to health.

THANKS DOC TROLOLOL!

Arexjamin
April 16th, 2012, 09:47 PM
-suicide

straykiwi
April 16th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Troll game master, I was one of the first to apply yet I don't even get picked or reserved?
Happened last FM as well.
It appears if you are new, you will always be new since all the 'metagamers' have priority.

TheWaaagh
April 16th, 2012, 11:33 PM
Troll game master, I was one of the first to apply yet I don't even get picked or reserved?
Happened last FM as well.
It appears if you are new, you will always be new since all the 'metagamers' have priority.

Have you tried playing an M-FM or S-FM?

straykiwi
April 17th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Have you tried playing an M-FM or S-FM?

Yes, Applied for about 4 (all that were going at the time)

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 12:13 AM
Lol bullshit I signed up way before some of these people.
Also you said you would let new people in.
All you fucken did was Let the people in that have played FM 20000 Times.
Fuck you cunts are fair.

Edit: Take me off the fucken Reserves list if your not going to let me in.
You could add another player slot or remove someone that isn't as active as me.
Theres alot of people there that ain't as active is me.
Just because I'm new to Forum Mafia you don't let me in Come on please let me in.
Im patron some of these cunts ain't even Patron/Donor like me they never gave anything to D.R to support him.

Another Edit: That is seriously unfair not to let me in just because I'm new.
I am mad about this.
Please add another player slot or remove someone else.
There's lots of people there that I have higher post count in and I'm more active then them.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 12:22 AM
[QUOTE=Capitalier;106479]This is the finalized list.
Apologies to those that did not make the cut.

He thinks I give a shit about his Apologies Fix this Now Please.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Now /Sign remove someone please that isn't as active as me or add another Slot this is unfair.

clementine
April 17th, 2012, 01:17 AM
Also, any chance that, in the future, we could put the main FM sign-ups in the Sign-Up forum? I saw everyone talking about signing up for FMXII, but never knew where the Sign-Ups were until a few days ago. Sucks that I missed out on it because it was in the "News" section, of all sections. =(

OMG Poor dude! T.T

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 01:25 AM
Sorry for that raging I just stick up for myself and make points.
I just relised You used Random.Org which is unfair please remove someone or add another slot.
There are a few people I see there that are never on and are inactive they won't even notice that they didn't get in

Deathfire123
April 17th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Lol bullshit I signed up way before some of these people.
Also you said you would let new people in.
All you fucken did was Let the people in that have played FM 20000 Times.
Fuck you cunts are fair.

Edit: Take me off the fucken Reserves list if your not going to let me in.
You could add another player slot or remove someone that isn't as active as me.
Theres alot of people there that ain't as active is me.
Just because I'm new to Forum Mafia you don't let me in Come on please let me in.
Im patron some of these cunts ain't even Patron/Donor like me they never gave anything to D.R to support him.

Another Edit: That is seriously unfair not to let me in just because I'm new.
I am mad about this.
Please add another player slot or remove someone else.
There's lots of people there that I have higher post count in and I'm more active then them.

Calm down Grim. Just have fun and try figuring stuff out on the sidelines, take notes, etc. Someone will probably be modkilled for one reason or another, and youll be put in. There's no need to rage

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 01:34 AM
No I don't want to be replaced. They used Random.Org when there are Inactive/Low Reputation people.
I know im acting really annoying but its so unfair there are about 6 people there that I see that are Never ONLINE. The easy thing he can do is replace me with one of them

clementine
April 17th, 2012, 01:35 AM
Will there be a /observe option? Or even a special chat reserved for forum members who are not participating in FM12? Maybe that might be fun, where we could all discuss the game!

I did not sign up for this game because I knew there would be hurt feelings and the like with people not getting in (aka me! haha I wouldn't even expect to get in without having finished any S-FM or M-FM games first!). All I can say is that it seems like it might be a good idea for people to just do game signups first come first serve. That way there is minimized drama about people getting in or not, and it is way more transparent than random.org'ing... Game runners are obviously allowed to do whatever they want since they are in charge, but just my $0.02.

I hate to see people so upset about this!! :[

straykiwi
April 17th, 2012, 01:49 AM
GRIM. I FEEL YOU. /rage

Deathfire123
April 17th, 2012, 01:54 AM
No I don't want to be replaced. They used Random.Org when there are Inactive/Low Reputation people.
I know im acting really annoying but its so unfair there are about 6 people there that I see that are Never ONLINE. The easy thing he can do is replace me with one of them

Who are you talking about? Everyone on that list is either new to FM or has been active in a past FM. That's all that matters

Arexjamin
April 17th, 2012, 06:03 AM
Awesome, I'm #2 :D

This will be my first FM, so I'm pretty fucking excited. I look forward against going against the best of the best :)

As a side note, rather than be angry that you weren't picked, be happy for those that were. It's just a game, and there will be others - Don't ruin your reputation over a silly little thing that will pass.

In addition, about the observer idea: I think it could be used to metagame and feed information out. No matter what you do, there's always that possibility, and we can't censor out things like real life communication and such.

Forum Mafia GM
April 17th, 2012, 06:41 AM
For anyone who might be curious as to how I procured the player list, it was not based on merit or sign-up order. I knew pretty much right off the bat that in a 32-player setup neither would be acceptable.

So, instead, I set aside 3 slots guaranteed to new players. I random org'd between the 8 or so new players to fill these 3 slots.
Then, after adding the remaining 5 back into the pool, I random org'd the list again, this time selecting the players falling on the odd numbers in the list.
Of the remaining players, I rolled again, selecting the players from the even side of the list.
Then I rolled again, selecting players from the top down until the player list was full.

The reserve list is in order of who signed up first to be fair to those who are upset about not being random'd.

Again, I'm sorry if you weren't selected, but I pretty much knew that there would be people who were upset when 46~ people signup to a 32 player game.

Forum Mafia GM
April 17th, 2012, 06:47 AM
Will there be a /observe option? Or even a special chat reserved for forum members who are not participating in FM12? Maybe that might be fun, where we could all discuss the game!
This is something I might consider. Probably not full view of the entire game, but if you'd like I could add people who wish it to a sub-forum of some kind.


All I can say is that it seems like it might be a good idea for people to just do game signups first come first serve. That way there is minimized drama about people getting in or not, and it is way more transparent than random.org'ing...
The problem with first come first serve nowadays is that sign-ups generally last about 18 hours tops. And since pretty much every active player is now in a skype chat together, you'd be pretty screwed if you just so happened to not be around at the time.

Dont Shoot Me
April 17th, 2012, 06:59 AM
Lol bullshit I signed up way before some of these people.
Also you said you would let new people in.
All you fucken did was Let the people in that have played FM 20000 Times.
Fuck you cunts are fair.

Edit: Take me off the fucken Reserves list if your not going to let me in.
You could add another player slot or remove someone that isn't as active as me.
Theres alot of people there that ain't as active is me.
Just because I'm new to Forum Mafia you don't let me in Come on please let me in.
Im patron some of these cunts ain't even Patron/Donor like me they never gave anything to D.R to support him.

Another Edit: That is seriously unfair not to let me in just because I'm new.
I am mad about this.
Please add another player slot or remove someone else.
There's lots of people there that I have higher post count in and I'm more active then them.


[QUOTE=Capitalier;106479]This is the finalized list.
Apologies to those that did not make the cut.

He thinks I give a shit about his Apologies Fix this Now Please.


Now /Sign remove someone please that isn't as active as me or add another Slot this is unfair.


Sorry for that raging I just stick up for myself and make points.
I just relised You used Random.Org which is unfair please remove someone or add another slot.
There are a few people I see there that are never on and are inactive they won't even notice that they didn't get in


No I don't want to be replaced. They used Random.Org when there are Inactive/Low Reputation people.
I know im acting really annoying but its so unfair there are about 6 people there that I see that are Never ONLINE. The easy thing he can do is replace me with one of them


Seriously? Grow up.

Dust
April 17th, 2012, 07:16 AM
This is something I might consider. Probably not full view of the entire game, but if you'd like I could add people who wish it to a sub-forum of some kind.

if so, then /observe.

I like to discuss the game with other people, even if I'm not playing or planning on playing.

Sinclair
April 17th, 2012, 08:18 AM
if so, then /observe.

I like to discuss the game with other people, even if I'm not playing or planning on playing.

This, I would love to take down notes and discuss with others. Maybe make the observers panel not view-able to the participants of the FM so they can't see what we've come up with.

FrostByte
April 17th, 2012, 08:27 AM
This, I would love to take down notes and discuss with others. Maybe make the observers panel not view-able to the participants of the FM so they can't see what we've come up with.

I think this is brilliant. I would have loved to be able to do this with FMXI.

Sinclair
April 17th, 2012, 08:34 AM
I think this is brilliant. I would have loved to be able to do this with FMXI.

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/happy-cuteness-overload.png

He thinks my idea is brilliant!!!!!!!

Escaho
April 17th, 2012, 08:36 AM
Agreed. If us Observers could have some sort of Observer Chat where maybe we could dead lynch 2-3 players a night and discuss our theories and results (one player a night isn't much fun since the FM usually ends before you even know the results of 4-5 players...).

FrostByte
April 17th, 2012, 08:45 AM
He thinks my idea is brilliant!!!!!!!
Glad I could be of service to you.
+1

Kromos
April 17th, 2012, 08:53 AM
You wouldn't be able to show roles and night actions to observers due to the amount of skype cheating that goes on as it is. A separate forum for them to discuss might work but people should be strongly discouraged from sharing what they talk about to the participants. Having non-participants giving you suggestions and analysis isn't really in the spirit of the game.

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 09:50 AM
I have added the list of rolecards to the FMXII section if you'd like to check them out while you wait for the game to start.

I hope you enjoy them, formatting was a bitch.

Rihfok
April 17th, 2012, 09:58 AM
I have added the list of rolecards to the FMXII section if you'd like to check them out while you wait for the game to start.

I hope you enjoy them, formatting was a bitch.

I've got a question...
How will Disguiser work when the game will be non-anonymous?
I think I'm missing something...

EDIT: I fail, nevermind.

Rihfok
April 17th, 2012, 10:06 AM
Okay, a different question: How will Ghost work? I've seen it only in FM XI (I was watching it), and since this one works only after death, and this is non-anon, I don't understand how will it work.
Explanation from anyone who understands.
Please?

Forum Mafia GM
April 17th, 2012, 10:08 AM
It will be non-anonymous but we will be using seperate accounts similar to FMX so that these roles are possible. :)

Kromos
April 17th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Will the framer be able to frame himself or his fellow mafia members?

Can the executioner's target be any role?

Does the survivor have unlimited vests?

Forum Mafia GM
April 17th, 2012, 11:33 AM
Will the framer be able to frame himself or his fellow mafia members?

Can the executioner's target be any role?

Does the survivor have unlimited vests?
No
No, only town.
No, that detail slipped past me while writing it, thanks. The survivor only has three vests.

BorkBot
April 17th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Does the Grave Robber have unlimited uses?
Does the Interceptor have unlimited uses?
Are witch controlled players notified?
Are jester visited players notified?
Can double Paladins/Bishops (from death and lay on hands replacement + amnesiac) perform double smites, lay on hands and cult conversion protections?
If double lay on hands is allowed and both are successful recruits, is it possible to get 2x paladin and 2x bishop at the same time?
Are lookout target's visitors affected by the bus driver? (Lookout visits player A, who is visited by B and C. But bus driver switches C with D, so the lookout sees B and D visiting player A instead. This is how it seems to work in SC2 mafia, or at least back when I last played it)

Will serfs get custom flavour PMs if they -pray? :smile:

Kromos
April 17th, 2012, 12:28 PM
What happens when the cult leader dies?

Kovath
April 17th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Number of jailor executions? Seems to be just one but just checking

BorkBot
April 17th, 2012, 12:41 PM
Does smite/administer/dominate inform Dracula, Coven Leaders and Inquisitors with the identity of the player performing such an action on them if they are immune?
Can Dracula himself be smitten, or only his converts?

Blazer
April 17th, 2012, 01:07 PM
stop trolling this thread damnit

Forum Mafia GM
April 17th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Does the Grave Robber have unlimited uses?
Does the Interceptor have unlimited uses?
Are witch controlled players notified?
Are jester visited players notified?
Can double Paladins/Bishops (from death and lay on hands replacement + amnesiac) perform double smites, lay on hands and cult conversion protections?
If double lay on hands is allowed and both are successful recruits, is it possible to get 2x paladin and 2x bishop at the same time?
Are lookout target's visitors affected by the bus driver? (Lookout visits player A, who is visited by B and C. But bus driver switches C with D, so the lookout sees B and D visiting player A instead. This is how it seems to work in SC2 mafia, or at least back when I last played it)

Will serfs get custom flavour PMs if they -pray? :smile:
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
No
That's not how BD works. BD only affects the people who are swapped not their targets.
And I don't know, we'll see. :)


Does smite/administer/dominate inform Dracula, Coven Leaders and Inquisitors with the identity of the player performing such an action on them if they are immune?
Can Dracula himself be smitten, or only his converts?
Let's see... if Dracula dominates a mason, they will be informed of his identity. Both parties will be informed of a failed conversion due to immunity.
Smite- Will be informed of being smited, not identity.
Administer - No one is immune to enforcement, so this is a non-issue.

I'll update the rolecard thread with the specifics of pretty much everything that occurs due to conversions, enforcement, etc.
Small details like this completely slipped my mind so thanks for bringing it up.


What happens when the cult leader dies?
1/2 rounded down. Standard fanfare except I think it generally goes up not down.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Why Didn't you let me in?
You just did Random.Org whcih is unfair and im unhappy about.
I was really excited about FM 12 coming up.
ANd im at the bottom of the Reserves list.
Stupid random.org.
Would you please give me a spot please I was really excited for this.
Theres like 6 inactive players there they won't even know they got accpected

Luna
April 17th, 2012, 02:00 PM
Grim how much fairer can you get than random.org?

Besides you've been quite aggressive, have been spamming the forums with junk just to increase your post count, already ranted at this whole community about how we all suck and how you were quitting, and you've been promoting your S-FM (which you wouldn't get to host if you played FM12). If it were me I'd just be glad that I was put on the random.org list in the first place and given the chance. Why resort to insulting other people to get what you want? This forum could do with a dash more modesty.

On a side note, Vampires lolololol anything but Vampires ^^ this will be an intense FM, the 'stakes' will be pretty high... HAH

Kovath
April 17th, 2012, 02:01 PM
Why Didn't you let me in?
You just did Random.Org whcih is unfair and im unhappy about.
I was really excited about FM 12 coming up.
ANd im at the bottom of the Reserves list.
Stupid random.org.
Would you please give me a spot please I was really excited for this.
Theres like 6 inactive players there they won't even know they got accpected

Trololololololo

What's wrong with Vampires? I admit I don't like them too much either, but it's not such a bad theme...

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 02:02 PM
I was planing to host my Setup After FM 12.
Im really always unlucky with Draws.
I was excitied about FM coming out.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Luna how about you do me a Fav.
Also IDC how many posts I have.
Sign up to my S-FM since your not apart of FM 12

Archangel
April 17th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Did I even get a chance?

Escaho
April 17th, 2012, 02:10 PM
this will be an intense FM, the 'stakes' will be pretty high... HAH


*Face palm for hilarious yet terrible pun*

Luna
April 17th, 2012, 02:12 PM
There was a pun there? Wow it only just... 'dawned' on me

Luna
April 17th, 2012, 02:13 PM
Seriously you'll have to kill me night 1, I have many more of these.

Goremancer
April 17th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Seriously you'll have to kill me night 1, I have many more of these.

Said Luna as the colors drained from her face.
RACIST

Kovath
April 17th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Luna how about you do me a Fav.
Also IDC how many posts I have.
Sign up to my S-FM since your not apart of FM 12

Umm no, she is?

Kovath
April 17th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Also this bishop/paladin stuff is an interesting new take on the masonry, not sure how the killing power balances from the old voting bloc

Capitalier
April 17th, 2012, 02:45 PM
I'll be porting over answers to these questions to the role cards themselves. :)

I might fix this apostrophe void while I'm there.

FrostByte
April 17th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Necrophiliac (Amnesiac)
Spoiler : Spoiler: :

Description: You have gone buttfuck insane after realizing your latent love for corpses. Not even God himself remembers what you were before your fall. Only time will tell if you remember before your death




Literally made me LMFAO.

Raptorblaze
April 17th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Definitely written by Capitalier

Raptorblaze
April 17th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Will masons be informed if Dracula attempts to convert them (a la SC2Mafia)?

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 04:45 PM
Definitely written by Capitalier

I wrote it. I wrote most of the evil/neutrals, cap wrote most of the town aside from roles like the BD.


Will masons be informed if Dracula attempts to convert them (a la SC2Mafia)?

I answered this already

Raptorblaze
April 17th, 2012, 04:46 PM
I wrote it. I wrote most of the evil/neutrals, cap wrote most of the town aside from roles like the BD.



I answered this already

No wonder you two get along so well.

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 05:12 PM
We get along because neither of us take things to heart. Ever.

Among other things.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Please let me in I was really excited for this.
There are 6 inactives there.
Please give me a chance to play.
I was happy intill now.

creedkingsx
April 17th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Please let me in I was really excited for this.
There are 6 inactives there.
Please give me a chance to play.
I was happy intill now.

If 6 people were inactive, how did they sign up?

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 05:51 PM
I removed you from reserve. Get over yourself.

Capitalier
April 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
I wrote it. I wrote most of the evil/neutrals, cap wrote most of the town aside from roles like the BD.



I answered this already
I wrote a good portion of the evils. :P
You wrote every benign neutral, though.

The real question is: will you guys be able to tell who's writing the day/night RP?

>:)

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 06:18 PM
I wrote a good portion of the evils. :P
You wrote every benign neutral, though.

The real question is: will you guys be able to tell who's writing the day/night RP?

>:)

Yeah when I ended up looking back through it after I realized that I only wrote trapper/butcher

Blazer
April 17th, 2012, 06:23 PM
Grim how much fairer can you get than random.org?

Besides you've been quite aggressive, have been spamming the forums with junk just to increase your post count, already ranted at this whole community about how we all suck and how you were quitting, and you've been promoting your S-FM (which you wouldn't get to host if you played FM12). If it were me I'd just be glad that I was put on the random.org list in the first place and given the chance. Why resort to insulting other people to get what you want? This forum could do with a dash more modesty.

On a side note, Vampires lolololol anything but Vampires ^^ this will be an intense FM, the 'stakes' will be pretty high... HAH

Vampires are kewl. so much better than lychans.
and haha you so punny Luna.

Luna
April 17th, 2012, 06:25 PM
and haha you so punny Luna.

http://media31.podbean.com/pb/6af96f3368dc0f7507c4e726c0608ca2/4f8e1803/blogs31/370454/uploads/happy-i-see-what-you-did-there-clean.png

Blazer
April 17th, 2012, 06:30 PM
http://media31.podbean.com/pb/6af96f3368dc0f7507c4e726c0608ca2/4f8e1803/blogs31/370454/uploads/happy-i-see-what-you-did-there-clean.png

lol ^^ nice. Luna how u know to make me laugh?

FrostByte
April 17th, 2012, 06:47 PM
lol ^^ nice. Luna how u know to make me laugh?
Someone's in a flirty mood.
Sexytime?

Blazer
April 17th, 2012, 08:48 PM
Someone's in a flirty mood.
Sexytime?

:O It's always sexy time <(^.^<) ^(^.^)^ (>^.^)>
hehe. Just call me a comedic character :3

Gingerape
April 17th, 2012, 08:54 PM
:O It's always sexy time <(^.^<) ^(^.^)^ (>^.^)>
hehe. Just call me a comedic character :3

I'm gonna bite chu night one.

Ash
April 17th, 2012, 08:56 PM
I'm gonna bite Pikachu night one.


Pikachu always thundershocks when he is afraid or senses immediate danger to him. GL.

Elixir
April 17th, 2012, 09:06 PM
http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dis-gon-b-gud.gifhttp://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dis-gon-b-gud.gifhttp://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dis-gon-b-gud.gifhttp://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dis-gon-b-gud.gif

Gingerape
April 17th, 2012, 09:09 PM
I wish you had 4 instead of 3. I would feel like im at Best Buy watching all the TVs

Elixir
April 17th, 2012, 09:11 PM
I wish you had 4 instead of 3. I would feel like im at Best Buy watching all the TVs

No one can say I'm not a man of the people.

Arexjamin
April 17th, 2012, 09:48 PM
http://i.imgur.com/IET4l.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/IET4l.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/IET4l.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/IET4l.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/IET4l.gif

I have 5, I'm better.

Dust
April 17th, 2012, 09:55 PM
Arex, that guy looks epic.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 10:14 PM
There are 6 people that are barley ever on they probably won't even play Forum Mafia.
Can you please sign me Up I seriously was excited for this.
If you won't sign me Up at least put me at the top of the reserve list

Gingerape
April 17th, 2012, 10:22 PM
Yea but Crimson was the second to signup, why shouldn't he be at the top of reserves?

creedkingsx
April 17th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Yea but Crimson was the second to signup, why shouldn't he be at the top of reserves?

Cause he got banned xD

Gingerape
April 17th, 2012, 10:31 PM
Cause he got banned xD

I know someone else who should be bant

TheJackofSpades
April 17th, 2012, 10:33 PM
There are 6 people that are barley ever on they probably won't even play Forum Mafia.
Can you please sign me Up I seriously was excited for this.
If you won't sign me Up at least put me at the top of the reserve list
I have updated the sign-up list to properly reflect the position where you deserve to be.

Hope that clears the air between us.

Now stop bothering me about it.

GriM-DeMoN
April 17th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Lol so unfair The best thing you could do is add me in at the top of The Reserves list if you won't sign me up.

Escaho
April 17th, 2012, 10:58 PM
I have updated the sign-up list to properly reflect the position where you deserve to be.

Hope that clears the air between us.

Now stop bothering me about it.

Come on yo, get me on dat reserves list. What a panda gotta do?

FalseTruth
April 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
Come on yo, get me on dat reserves list. What a panda gotta do?
I motion the proposal.

McJesus
April 17th, 2012, 11:29 PM
You wouldn't be able to show roles and night actions to observers due to the amount of skype cheating that goes on as it is. A separate forum for them to discuss might work but people should be strongly discouraged from sharing what they talk about to the participants. Having non-participants giving you suggestions and analysis isn't really in the spirit of the game.

I find it rather strange you say that when you invented the idea of observers.

Rocshi
April 18th, 2012, 04:46 AM
Lol so unfair The best thing you could do is add me in at the top of The Reserves list if you won't sign me up.

I seem to remember:


Edit: Take me off the fucken Reserves list if your not going to let me in.

TheJackofSpades
April 18th, 2012, 06:59 AM
Come on yo, get me on dat reserves list. What a panda gotta do?

Not pussyfoot around the issue.

Added.

Blazer
April 18th, 2012, 07:01 AM
I'm gonna bite chu night one.

Kinky.

Rihfok
April 18th, 2012, 09:46 AM
So, uhm, will there be role list soon posted?

P.S. The Paladins Win Conditions have alignments non-coloured. All the vampire clan names are gray. It's minor, but, meh.

TheJackofSpades
April 18th, 2012, 09:58 AM
So, uhm, will there be role list soon posted?

P.S. The Paladins Win Conditions have alignments non-coloured. All the vampire clan names are gray. It's minor, but, meh.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had already fixed it but there's a weird error with vbulletin lately where when dealing with lengthy posts, if you go to preview or edit it the text is just completely wiped. I had forgotten to C&P the whole thing after I fixed it, I guess.

Role list will be posted soonish, expect it sometime tonight after I get home.

Forum Mafia GM
April 18th, 2012, 10:04 AM
Now half of the formatting is displaying in the editing box like it does in the thread.

Whatever, I'll fix it when I get home.

Forum Mafia GM
April 18th, 2012, 03:26 PM
All roles have been sent out as PMs or Skype messages.
:*

GriM-DeMoN
April 18th, 2012, 03:31 PM
yeah sign me up please and send me out my role card.
you can't just remove me from something I was really looking forward to.l

Raptorblaze
April 18th, 2012, 03:38 PM
yeah sign me up please and send me out my role card.
you can't just remove me from something I was really looking forward to.l

Actually yes they can...

creedkingsx
April 18th, 2012, 03:39 PM
Actually yes they can...

and they did :D

Blazer
April 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM
and they did :D

Word. I didn't get no PM!