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Fragos
December 15th, 2011, 09:38 AM
Sice their arrival in a small town, Mafia Family firmly help their control over it for more that 10 years. They used a local mayor to control town's populace in tight grips. Every month, townspeople paid their dues to mayor, who in turn paid most of the money to Mafia Family. Everything was fine... at least for Mafia Family, until at one day, when a series of incidents happened...

That day the town mayor had a meeting with Mafia Collector. He was the only public Mafia face known in town; noone knew who were his superiors. Both men for some reason felt themselves more energetic than usual. The mayor stepped forward to greet collector and offered him a handshake. But when mayor and collector made a contact with each other, a sudden jolt of electricity came coursing through then!

"Whhhaaattt kind... of trick isssss..." - those were the last words of Mafia collector. Both men were lying dead on the floor, their hearts stopped. Strangely enough, both their hands were still bound together in handshake, probably by residue electricity still coursing through then. A certain man behind a tree made a faint smile and quickly left the place.

When town later found up the dead bodies of mayor and collector they immediatley realized that their revered leader was a mere puppet of Mafia Family, and all their tax money went straight into Mafia's pocket. Near their bodies was a strange note: "Now you will dance under MY puppet strings until you die". But right after realizing that they have been deceived all the time, another disturbing news showed up...

Three people were burned to a crisp by unknown killer inside their own houses. For what reason they were killed remained unknown to the town. All of then barely knew each other, led a relatively peaceful life, and weren't even connected to Mafia Family. Well, at least two of then. The killer left a message, on which was written "By fire be purged!".

It became apparent that all the hate that was hidden in the hearts of townspeople towards Mafia family was viciosly released, giving birth to two very dangerous criminals that doesn't distinguish between Town and Mafia. And in order to stand against then, the town had to do one thing: unite as one, and get rid of the Mafia Family along with two vicious killers. And so, they have organized this forum.

There was one problem, however: with the current mayor and few more people dead, only chaos and anarchy would lead the town, probably to their further demise. And so, they have decided to elect a new leader amongst then. A person who would lead the town to better life. A person who would live up to the promise given by town.

When Mafia Family learned about the forum they immediately realised the threat upon then. And so, they have decided to infilitrate the forum thenselves in order to find out the killers thenselves, and to put town in their control again. Of course the killers also were there... and each of then hoped to take his place as new Town Leader...

Graveyard:

Illidan (Debt Collector) - Found electrocuted in town hall (Night 0)
Raiden (Politician) - Found electrocuted in town hall (Night 0)
Elixir (Therapist) - Found incinerated in his own house (Night 0)
DarkRevenant (Witness Protector) - Found incinerated in his own house (Night 0)
FalseTruth (Skyper) - Found incinerated in his own house (Night 0)

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Hello, guys! Welcome to the second season the the Mini-Forum Mafia!

Here are some notable rules:

1) Each thread will start at DAY. I will use the SAME thread to begin the night – once you see the night post, you may not post here anymore.
2) Once the time limit is up, or a lynch has been hammered, the day will end. If a lynch is hammered while I am not present, the lynch will be locked but day chat may still continue. Once I post in the thread declaring the end of the day, you may not post in the thread anymore.
3) All night actions must be PM'd to me here, on Fragos.
4) Obviously you may not talk about this game outside of the day/night threads, or outside of dead chat.
5) Anyone attempting to interfere with this game from the outside, or any griefing from the players, will be noted and your participance in future FM games will be unlikely.
6) Everyone has secondary objectives. You are not allowed to talk about then: only Mafia can share their objectives between each other.
7) If you have any questions, PM them to me directly. Before asking then, don't forget to check Mini FM II FAQ thread, though.

Current role list:

Godfather
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia

Electro Maniac
Arsonist
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral

Sheriff
Investigator
Doctor
Jailor
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Hidden Mafia roles: Consigliere, Consort, Framer, Blackmailer, Janitor, Mafioso
Hidden Neutral roles: Jester, Executioner, Witch, Survivor, Amnesiac
Hidden Town roles: Vigilante, Escort, Detective, Lookout, Bus Driver, Journalist, Bodyguard, Veteran, Armorsmith, Coroner, Mason


Player List:

Rocshi
BBmola
Sumikoko
Kromos
wolfcheese
Dimwit
Deathfire123
Zane
Guardian
TheWaaagh
Dust
jaczac
RandomNumbers0
CmG
Borkbot
McPwnage
Nick
Luna
Zack
Goremancer

On the first day the town will elect the Town Leader. A Town Leader has the power of 3 votes instead of one. If the number of players alive are 10 or lest, then Town Leader has the power of 2 votes This should make the game more interesting, and will make town busy, so that the first day won't turn into a "troll day". Whoever gains the most votes will become Town Leader. You cannot vote for yourself. You must put a vote on this day; otherwise you may be exiled from the game or replaced with substitite. If two or more players are tied for being a Town Leader, a second round of voting will start between then.


Day 1 will end in 24 hours from here or as soon as everyone votes and the Town Leader is elected.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:39 AM
Hello.

So, who wants to be the town leader?

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 09:42 AM
I am Town Leader, hear me roar

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:45 AM
Instead of choosing a person, should we choose a role to be the town leader?

If the jailor or sheriff came forward they would be the obvious choice for leadership. I'm just not sure if revealing an important role will be good this early.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 09:49 AM
Hello womentlegen and mentlegen! Inb4 Dust gets shot N1 to frame the participants from M- FM 1 especially the mafia players.

To show my goodwill i will give my voice to Dust!

Election vote Dust

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 09:49 AM
CmG is Mafia

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 09:51 AM
CmG is Mafia

why?

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:51 AM
Dust could easily be mafia. We shouldn't vote for people unless we are sure they are town and that includes the good players.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Hi all. Nice to meet you! :sick:

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 09:52 AM
why?

Because I am your Godfather, silly

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Oh wait this isn't night chat is it?

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Kromos seems scummy

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:54 AM
I will not be voting for someone unless they at least claim a role. I also do not wish to be town leader.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Kromos seems scummy

That's possible.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 09:55 AM
I also do not wish to be the Town Leader, as I don't want to get charged by the Electro Maniac on the first night and have everyone visit me

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 09:55 AM
I see that we need to vote for town leader. I don't know whom to vote for. :idea:

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:56 AM
So, how does everyone like their roles?

Zack
December 15th, 2011, 09:57 AM
Say what now?

Sumi should be the leader! I'm not biased just because we're friends, not at all. Are you saying i'm lying? How rude.

Vote Sumikoko for town leader


Also, silly Luna, it takes two charged people to die. Doctor heals the town leader too. No reason to be afraid right?

inb4 I am target of electromaniac...

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 09:57 AM
We should vote for a neutral town leader. Like a jester. 8)

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 09:57 AM
I'm reasonably happy with mine. It's perhaps a bit more interesting than lookout anyway.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 09:59 AM
Yeah or a citizen .. oh wait that would be the godfather wifoming beiing citizen then or not? Well we will surely find out if guardian is Gf or citizen...

Well i gonna go shoot some scrubs now in the head in Bf3 cya laterz

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:00 AM
Fragos should tell us the format for voting town leader. I am confused. :shy:

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:05 AM
I guess we just do vote P.Erson .

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:06 AM
sorry

unvote P.Erson

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 10:07 AM
We should mass claim either today or tomorrow, preferably the former.

If Sheriff, Invest, Doctor, Jailor get cc'd we automatically get at least one maf. If not we get four confirmed town, one of which we can elect as leader. No matter what we get at least one confirmed town here.(Unless anti town cc all of the roles, which would be dumb as all hell)

Then we have 6 hidden roles, with 11 possibilities. Assuming no duplicates, this would allow for 5 possible fake claims for scum. However, they have no idea which roles are in the game. In addition, most of those roles are confirmable.

We use citizens to help confirm roles.

The only possible confusion will be with Consort/Escort.

Also, if we do it today, mafia can't plan for it and will be shaking in their boots because they will have no idea what to claim.

If you want to oppose the mass claim you need to give me reasons why not. Otherwise you're probably mafia.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:08 AM
I oppose mass claim, because it is boring.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:11 AM
I oppose mass role claim because then people would know my role :(

Zack
December 15th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Trying to make a point molla? He's saying "Town has too many power roles, mafia are screwed if we mass claim". Granted there is truth in that...

Alright, lets say we do that, who's gonna go first? Go ahead and claim molla, people should follow you, or will they?

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:14 AM
I do not want a mass claim, because I am the Arsonist and I don't want to claim Bus Driver if there isn't one in the game.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:14 AM
Boring aside. Mass claiming won't work for now because of electromaniac and hidden towns.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Electromaniac will visit sheriff, investigator and doctor claimer. And there goes the most important power roles.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Investigator in this game is very powerful, what with that weird results list.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Nick: Why won't it work, elaborate. If we mass claim now, Electromaniac won't affect night actions.

Zack is town.

We'd mass claim in a popcorn style, I'd start and then I'd say someone else's name and they'd claim. This prevents mafia from claiming last.

Luna is probably scum.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Investigator in this game is very powerful, what with that weird results list.
Is this sarcasm?

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 10:18 AM
So how do we ensure we dont give the role of town leader to scum?

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:19 AM
I will claim my role if others will do so.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:20 AM
Is this sarcasm?

Nope, simply saying there's a few results which can basically clear someone (like Veteran, Survivor or Armorsmith)

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:20 AM
BBmolla sounds intelligent! :evil:

vote town leader BBmolla
vote lynch BBmolla

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 10:21 AM
So how do we ensure we dont give the role of town leader to scum?
We give it to Sheriff, Investigator, Doctor, or Jailor. I enormously doubt they'd all be cc'd considering if the serial killers counter claim a role it's the death of them.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:22 AM
@Luna
Zack has raised this issue before. And I also agree that investigation results might not be balanced. Petition to rebalanced investigation results!

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Got last class then driving home, will be back in a few hours to tell you whose scum. Continue discussing the mass claim plan and write up reasons why you oppose it if you do.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:23 AM
OK guys, my role is sheriff. I wouldn't mind being the town leader but if you want to pick someone more experienced then that's fine too. I can at least be someone to trust for town.

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 10:23 AM
We give it to Sheriff, Investigator, Doctor, or Jailor. I enormously doubt they'd all be cc'd considering if the serial killers counter claim a role it's the death of them.

but then we force them to claim and they die, bad idea is bad

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:25 AM
We give it to Sheriff, Investigator, Doctor, or Jailor. I enormously doubt they'd all be cc'd considering if the serial killers counter claim a role it's the death of them.

I agree that a role which can kinda prove itself should go for Town Leader - I would not necessarily say Sheriff or Investigator, as they can't really prove themselves until they're dead, and the Doc might need to heal the leader.

Now since we're obviously not going to have a lynch (day 1 after all ^^) the Jailor could claim, go for it, then jail myself or someone else. That way a confirmed Town role has lynching power (and if no lynch goes through, he has jailor power)

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:26 AM
I like Kromos! :(

unvote town leader BBmolla
vote town leader Kromos

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:27 AM
I did lol when I saw my role :D. I thought people would distrust me claiming sheriff from last game so I decided to claim earlier this time. I'm not going to make the same mistake as last game by claiming sheriff as a town power role so don't worry.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 10:29 AM
The problem with the Jailor approach is, that you lose all possibility that somebody else gets healed from this point on but the Jailor. Scum can kill all day and don'T have to fear possible heals. At the other side hitting people not dieing in the night are a good way to find scum/neutrals/veteran-busdriver-armorsmiths.

I am for mass claim. If we play this for numbers crunching for a fast win. If we wanna have fun we go for the normal approach we tend to have here on these forums.

I will go with the flow

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:29 AM
I PMed Fragos on how many votes we need for town leader. He hasn't responded but I guess it will be a majority vote of 11.

Zack
December 15th, 2011, 10:32 AM
molla has asked the doctor to claim day 1. Here kitty kitty...

Also Kromos kinda cracked early. You do realize the baddies will do bad stuff to you?

Town leader vote has no hammer vote, everyone has to vote by the end of the day. At least, thats how I understand it.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:34 AM
We don't have Drug Dealers.

So Kromos can only be framed, charged, doused, witched, role-blocked or killed.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 10:36 AM
Please update the list when you vote.

Town leader vote tally:
Sumikoko (1): Zack
Dust (1): CmG
Kromos (1): Nick

Lynch vote tally:
BBmolla (1): Nick

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:38 AM
@Zack

I didn't think that people would trust me when I claim sheriff and give info because of what happened in the last M-FM, where I claimed sheriff as the lookout. Claiming day 1 gives people the chance to check me and verify my claims and I am also positioned to be the town leader if no one else wants to claim their role.

Your right about the votes.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 10:38 AM
We don't have Drug Dealers.

So Kromos can only be framed, charged, doused, witched, role-blocked or killed.

That's a relief.

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 10:43 AM
You know who the best choice for town leader is? JESUS!

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 10:43 AM
You are a lucky guy getting Sherriff. I will vote for you then. If you are executioner we will know this tomorrow for sure. I hope you side with town then anyways, after you got your Target down! alt + num 3


election unvote Dust
election vote Kromos


Town leader vote tally:
Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (1): Nick, CmG

Lynch vote tally:
BBmolla (1): Nick

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 10:44 AM
fixed, sorry


You are a lucky guy getting Sherriff. I will vote for you then. If you are executioner we will know this tomorrow for sure. I hope you side with town then anyways, after you got your Target down! alt + num 3


election unvote Dust
election vote Kromos


Town leader vote tally:
Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (2): Nick, CmG

Lynch vote tally:
BBmolla (1): Nick

wolfcheese
December 15th, 2011, 10:47 AM
*steps up on podium*

I do not want to be town leader.

*gets off of podium

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 10:50 AM
-election vote Wolfcheese

The greatest qualification for leadership is to not desire it ;)

Town leader vote tally:
Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (2): Nick, CmG
Wolfcheese (1): Luna

Lynch vote tally:
BBmolla (1): Nick

TheWaaagh
December 15th, 2011, 11:03 AM
I don't know, I really want to vote Guardian just to see him threaten us with suicide the more the job gets to him, but I'm digging Kromos as town leader.

I swear to god though Kromos, if you're not the sheriff, and this is another crazy ass gambit to fool us all from knowing you're really the detective or something... well, I got nothing. But that'd be really annoying. :)

Election Vote Kromos

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (3): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh
Wolfcheese (1): Luna

Lynch Vote Tally

BBmolla (1): Nick

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 11:14 AM
-vote TheWaaagh Town Leader


I'd prefer NOT having an executioner as a town leader thank you very much, so I'll pick someone I inherently trust, it's not like I talk to Waaagh all the time *heh heh* of course not *wipes sweat off brow* Also, no lynch today

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (3): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
The Waaagh (1): Deathfire123

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Posting real quick from school, browsed this page.

Alright, Doctor and Bodygaurd(if there is one) on sheriff.

If he is uncc'd he is confirmed town and should be our leader.

Election vote: Kromos

@whoever was whining about Doc being outed in a mass claim, better Doc dead than an investigative role.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Oh yea. All citizens should reveal. Because there might be masons.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Well I'm not going to try that again. Claiming sheriff last game definitely backfired on me and allowed you to live a lot longer than you should have done.

I can assure you that I am sheriff this time and I'm fine with anyone checking me to prove it. While you probably have better targets, it is also a good to make sure the town leader is inno so it's your choice investigator.

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 11:18 AM
Please update the list when you vote!

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (4): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
TheWaaagh (1): Deathfire123

Lynch Vote Tally
BBmolla (1): Nick

Fragos
December 15th, 2011, 11:18 AM
Note that you do not need a majority of 11 people to pick Town Leader - the one who will simply get the most votes will win that position. Also, everyone must vote for Town Leader. The Day 1 won't end early unless all 20 players make up their choice.

Also, there is no lynch today.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 11:19 AM
My last post was @TheWaaagh

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (4): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna

Lynch Vote Tally

BBmolla (1): Nick

wolfcheese
December 15th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Hah, perhaps there is wisdom in what you say Luna. Because of this, and because of my professed love of him during the last game, I will Election Vote Dust.

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (4): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese

Nick
December 15th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Please update the list CORRECTLY when you vote!

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (4): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
TheWaaagh (1): Deathfire123
Dust (1): wolfcheese

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 11:25 AM
I'm fine people electing someone else but at least elect someone with a role claim!

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 11:29 AM
I'm fine people electing someone else but at least elect someone with a role claim!

this is a scum tell..

unvote Kromos


Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (3): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
TheWaaagh (1): Deathfire123
Dust (1): wolfcheese

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 11:35 AM
Kromos is so full of scum. I would vote Zane, he's pretty good.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 11:36 AM
My fault, but anyways I succeeded in my eyes:

Achievement #2: Try to make some people believe you are a girl.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 11:36 AM
let me correct this statement it is a possible scum tell. Another human PR revealing now would be rather dumb. Meh do what you like. All roads lead to Rome.

@ Zane: Shouldn't you vote your Boyfriend hun? ;-)

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 11:37 AM
I will try to find a new achievement for me and you could vote me in that time. (For president)

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 11:37 AM
this is a scum tell..

Maybe so but it still makes sense. Why do you think scum would try get elected as the town leader? And why would I claim sheriff when I can be easily found out?

I think that I could be looking like an executioner tbh but I'm not sure how to prove that until I start getting results. You probably won't believe me then either but the vigi or jailor would be able to prove my scum suspect was guilty if they kill him at night.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 11:38 AM
Kromos is indeed an evil role I'm 100% sure.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 11:41 AM
Ok, I negate that comment, because I made a small fault.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 11:47 AM
Ok, I negate that comment, because I made a small fault.

We elect a mayor here. That's no role to trifle with. The best role who could get elected here would be a citizen because we would turn one in a Town PR like that. But we have now a sherriff what is good too. Problem is if he dies we lose 2 PR's.

THATS STILL BETTER THEN A SCUM ROLE GETS IT!

The Village idiot works well too :)

vote Zane for townleader


Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (3): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
TheWaaagh (1): Deathfire123
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (1): CmG

Zack
December 15th, 2011, 11:47 AM
Surely Kromos is Barney, the serial eater of children! Or one of the evil cult called Teletubbies, they brainwash babies, yes they do.

heh, I saw Sumi thought you were a girl Zane. Maybe I should have corrected her, but hey, thats no fun :P

CmG is still living in FM6, human PR, lol. You mean town PR!

jaczac
December 15th, 2011, 11:49 AM
WOO! NOT DAED NOT DEAD WOO!

jaczac
December 15th, 2011, 11:50 AM
-elect Kromos

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Molla, I advise you not to be the Nick of FM6 here. It won't win you any awards.

RandomNumbers0
December 15th, 2011, 11:51 AM
-vote kromos.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Surely Kromos is Barney, the serial eater of children! Or one of the evil cult called Teletubbies, they brainwash babies, yes they do.

heh, I saw Sumi thought you were a girl Zane. Maybe I should have corrected her, but hey, thats no fun :P

CmG is still living in FM6, human PR, lol. You mean town PR!

Seems like FM 6 has me still in its grip :/ Oh well too many people trying to hide under the radar. I will check back in 4 hours.

@Zack: Yeah sorry i can't just decide which avatar could work for me. Feel free to find me one you seem good at finding stuff though.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 12:00 PM
Trust me! One of the most decent forum mafia players (CmG) already voted for me!

Vote for me, because I will give free bananas to everyone!

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Oh and sumi thought I was a girl? Didn't know that, good job with achievement #2 Zane. Well done. You are the best.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 12:04 PM
@ Zane

Claim a role and I'll probably vote for you.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 12:06 PM
-vote Town Leader Zane

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 12:16 PM
Fragos took revenge for me killing him first on the last M FM; he gave me a role that's "very important."

-vote Town Leader Nick

While I really just want to lynch him, he's the only person who has said anything that actually seems useful for the town without providing scum with targets. I hereby make it known that I'm a totally expendable Citizen and no investigative role will be able to tell me apart from the Godfather. I just hope there's a mason around somewhere.

If there is a mason (don't reveal), a citizen would make a good mayor because he's less likely to be targeted by scum and masons can talk amongst one another and clear each other to make lynching a whole lot easier. A mason will also be able to target citizen claims to find out if they are really citizens or if they were lying. And if a cit mayor is chosen, he can do the visiting without revealing the other masons. I'd be OK with being elected, but I can understand why you wouldn't, because I could as well be lying and we aren't sure if there's a mason in the game. But a reveal of all citizens WOULD be a good thing.

Election Vote Tally

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (4): Nick, CmG, TheWaaagh, BBmolla
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Nick (1): BorkBot
Zane (1): Deathfire123

Fragos
December 15th, 2011, 12:21 PM
May I correct your vote tally?

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (5): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (2): CmG, Deathfire123
Nick: (1): BorkBot

Also, after everyone signed up, I randomed roles for players only once. Yes, some people might be surpised about thier roles, bur random is random. Just deal with it.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 12:22 PM
Sorry about the tally. Was just fixing it myself :p

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 12:26 PM
I will probably vote for you BorkBot but I disagree that revealing all the citizens would be a good thing. It would make it much easier for scum to kill a power role and there is no real need to reveal just yet. If you are converted tonight we will know there is a mason so the next day one more citizen could reveal or subtly hint so that they can be converted as well.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Yeah true, one citizen reveal per day would be good. However, if citizens mass claim it also means that doctors, detectives, sheriffs, investigators, escorts etc don't waste their actions on them.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 12:31 PM
I would recommend a lookout observe me tonight. I have a high chance of being doused and you may discover the doc as well.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 12:50 PM
I might be the jester... that's why I want your votes guys! Free bananas for everyone! °_°

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 12:52 PM
-elect Zane

I don't trust Kromos sheriff claim

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 12:55 PM
-elect Zane He was my first friend :D

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 12:56 PM
vote BorkBot

I really don't want Zane to be elected without a role claim. You all seem to be voting him just because you like him. If you don't trust me go for BorkBot's citizen claim.

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (5): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (4): CmG, Deathfire123, McPwnage, Goremancer
Nick: (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 01:00 PM
vote BorkBot

I really don't want Zane to be elected without a role claim. You all seem to be voting him just because you like him. If you don't trust me go for BorkBot's citizen claim.

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (5): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (4): CmG, Deathfire123, McPwnage, Goremancer
Nick: (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos

I'd rather have Zane go up than someone who gave into a person demanding a mass role claim Day 1. I also never trust Day 1 claims unless they are citizens

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 01:03 PM
This is off topic but if i need to write a last will do i pm fragos?

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 01:06 PM
I'd rather have Zane go up than someone who gave into a person demanding a mass role claim Day 1. I also never trust Day 1 claims unless they are citizens

OK I get that I look so suspicious. If you trust day 1 cit claims then why are you voting Zane instead of BorkBot? We have no idea what Zane could be and while he could easily lie if he role claimed we would at least have something to go on.

@ Gormancer

You PM Fragos with "-Last Will" in the subject line. The whole body of your message will be posted as your last will.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 01:11 PM
I'm here. It looks like people want to elect a citizen. I have no problem with this except one: the citizen will HAVE to be influenced by others to get a good lynch. With a power role (preferably one that can gather info) the town leader can use his role to gather info for him to lynch on.

I have yet to decide who to vote for.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Dust, in the last M FM practically all lynches were made based on gut feeling rather than investigation results, because there were none. And it ended just fine for the town.

The added advantage of citizens here is that there might be a mason to recruit those citizens, which allows them to coordinate the a lynch target on the next day.

Though I could be lying just as easily as Kromos. People voting for Zane are just doing it randomly because he's a funny guy. My vote goes to the person who suggested that masons should be given some assistance to find citizens and unmask false citizens, which is Nick.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 01:21 PM
OK I get that I look so suspicious. If you trust day 1 cit claims then why are you voting Zane instead of BorkBot? We have no idea what Zane could be and while he could easily lie if he role claimed we would at least have something to go on.

@ Gormancer

You PM Fragos with "-Last Will" in the subject line. The whole body of your message will be posted as your last will.

Citizens are not good town leaders. and I said I TRUST Day 1 Cit Claims. I never said I respect them. I've made the same mistake in the past. Therefore I will not vote anyone who role claims day 1 as it is A: scummy, B: makes you an easy target, C: Makes the game very boring and D: Untrustworthy

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 01:24 PM
@BorkBot

That's only part of my point.

The other part is that people WILL try to influence the lynch, whether for good or ill. The citizen will have no information to prove any of it. That is what I am worried about.

You do bring up a good point about the mason thingy. But I don't want to put my belief in one of the hidden town PRs being a mason.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Hello.
The time zones and high school schedule will screw me over royally today and tomorrow.
I don't wish to be Town Leader (and I shouldn't)
I'll see whats gone on in the past 8 hours.

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 01:33 PM
-vote KromosNow that i reread the thread, Zane never claimed a role. I'd rather stick with someone who at least made a claim
Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (6): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0, Goremancer
Wolfcheese (1): Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (3): CmG, Deathfire123, McPwnage
Nick: (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Citizens are not good town leaders. and I said I TRUST Day 1 Cit Claims. I never said I respect them. I've made the same mistake in the past. Therefore I will not vote anyone who role claims day 1 as it is A: scummy, B: makes you an easy target, C: Makes the game very boring and D: Untrustworthy

I agree with this wholeheartedly, and because of that I'm going to follow your vote.

Zane I hope I am not your executioner target xD

-vote Zane

Sumikoko (1): Zack
Kromos (6): Nick,TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0, Goremancer
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (4): CmG, Deathfire123, McPwnage, Luna
Nick: (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 01:49 PM
-vote Kromos



I theorize that Deathfire123 may in fact, be scum.
People that use logic make me want to smother them with a pillow.

Kromos may also be, but I'm going to trust in him...for today. He'll probably die tonight anyway...
I see no reason to elect Zane, but that's just me. Classic jester/exec behavior imo.

Sumi (1): Zack
Kromos (7): Nick, TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0, Goremancer, Rocshi
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (4): CmG, Daethfire123, McPwnage, Luna
Nick (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Day 1 claim is senseless and these 2 guys are basically rushing towards an election win. /Serious mode off

Elect Zane to get free bananas!

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 01:56 PM
Rocshi and Kromos are mafia buddies. Yeah I win.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 02:00 PM
I think Zane is a very good player and would be willing to elect him if he revealed his role. Until then I don't think I can take a leap of faith with him like you guys can.

I agree with you, Deathfire, that you normally shouldn't role claim day 1. However in this game we have to elect a town leader and the town leader should be someone we can be sure (or as close to sure as possible) that they are town. So far Zane has not said anything about his role so i think we would me taking a big risk by electing him.

That's why I think electing Bork will at least be a decent option. A citizen town leader may not be the most useful as he cannot find anything out for himself and relies on others to guide him but at least we can be fairly sure that Bork is not scum.

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 02:01 PM
np Kromos not hitting your hidden objective isn't the end of the world there...

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 02:06 PM
@Zane-
OH WAIT I LIKE BANANAS

Nothing happens or SHOULD happen on Day 1 that controls/permanently changes the game(+1 to Deathfire), as we have no evidence for any of our claims.
I'm just basing my claims off hunches, as we all currently are.

I think at least some certainty is required to give a person two voices, and you have no certainty surrounding you.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:07 PM
But dude, free bananas, just sayin'

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:08 PM
People that use logic make me want to smother them with a pillow.

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad120/blackdog_barkar/jackie-chan-meme.png

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Rocshi, Zane is always acting like a jester/executioner on day 1. Even when he is town.

You need to read between the lines.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:11 PM
I'd like to point out that the mafia will probably vote for someone who is easily manipulated. They also might vote on random people because they don't want to vote for the same person. I daresay that there is one mafia on each of the Zane and Kromos trains.

Just my musings...

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Look to people's reasoning for voting. If it makes sense, they are probably not mafia. Note that this doesn't work with the various neutrals because they don't know who the other neutrals are.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Rocshi don't edit your posts. You might be modkilled if you do it again.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:13 PM
I'd like to point out that the mafia will probably vote for someone who is easily manipulated. They also might vote on random people because they don't want to vote for the same person. I daresay that there is one mafia on each of the Zane and Kromos trains.

Just my musings...

I don't know that seems like shaky reasoning, they probably haven't even voted yet. I'd say one mafia voted right away for the Kromos or Zane lynch, one voted for a random person and the last one has yet to vote.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I don't know that seems like shaky reasoning, they probably haven't even voted yet. I'd say one mafia voted right away for the Kromos or Zane lynch, one voted for a random person and the last one has yet to vote.
This is also a possibility.
Have you ever heard of the "butter-zone"? It's supposedly the place where most scum end up. When a scum votes, that scum usually is the 2-7th person to vote on a train. If you look at past FMs, it measures up. I say that it looks like it here.

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I don't know that seems like shaky reasoning, they probably haven't even voted yet. I'd say one mafia voted right away for the Kromos or Zane lynch, one voted for a random person and the last one has yet to vote.
I'm terribad at keeping track of players and votes. So who voted for random and who didn't vote yet?

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Rocshi and Kromos are way too dodgy, I will hunt them forever.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 02:20 PM
I just added in the votecount.
Guilty as charged.

And, @Deathfire- People who use overly logical thinking/over-analyzing everything. Maybe you weren't, I read over 100 posts in 3 minutes when I got home.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:21 PM
This is also a possibility.
Have you ever heard of the "butter-zone"? It's supposedly the place where most scum end up. When a scum votes, that scum usually is the 2-7th person to vote on a train. If you look at past FMs, it measures up. I say that it looks like it here.

This is very true, in FM7 I wanted my mafia to seem as opposite from the FM5 mafia as possible so I wanted them to jump on wagons relatively early. But not too early. Mafia can use different strategies and now that you've mentioned their preferred spots, they are probably going to switch it up (Now that I said this they might not, ultimate WIFOM)

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:22 PM
I'm terribad at keeping track of players and votes. So who voted for random and who didn't vote yet?


Pretty much everyone who has voted for anyone besides Borky or Kromos (after reveal), although that includes myself I'd like to think I'm innocent >.O

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 02:23 PM
This is also a possibility.
Have you ever heard of the "butter-zone"? It's supposedly the place where most scum end up. When a scum votes, that scum usually is the 2-7th person to vote on a train. If you look at past FMs, it measures up. I say that it looks like it here.

Doesn't apply here probably, because it's not a matter of lynching somebody. It's just to give somebody some extra power. It could influence the game strong or it doesn't even matter. a dead player will definetly influence the game more.

you act scummy

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Doesn't apply here probably, because it's not a matter of lynching somebody. It's just to give somebody some extra power. It could influence the game strong or it doesn't even matter. a dead player will definetly influence the game more.

you act scummy

No one is free, everyone is scummy day one, including myself

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:25 PM
I just added in the votecount.
Guilty as charged.

And, @Deathfire- People who use overly logical thinking/over-analyzing everything. Maybe you weren't, I read over 100 posts in 3 minutes when I got home.
The "over-analyzing" won us the last game. This is FM. I know we have at least 3 analyzers here to help. If the other one doesn't contribute much then he could be scum. (hint, hint, Guardian)

CmG, I know what role you are. I won't tell until you do. (i don't advise that anyway)

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:26 PM
I'm just going to stick with my chirpy brand of optimism until useful stuff starts happening in this game :)

Although analyzing these voting patterns makes me pay more attention than in previous day 1's.

I am sticking with my choice for now, because random.org made Zane commit suicide. I am, however, thinking that Borkbot would be a good choice if he is indeed a citizen - it creates another minor power role, and he has a good analytical mind.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Actually I just persuaded myself

-vote Borkbot

Sorry don't have time to tally up (hypocrite much?) cos i have to dash

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 02:28 PM
The "over-analyzing" won us the last game. This is FM. I know we have at least 3 analyzers here to help. If the other one doesn't contribute much then he could be scum. (hint, hint, Guardian)

CmG, I know what role you are. I won't tell until you do. (i don't advise that anyway)

Thats awesome Dust, because i don't even have checked my role sheet :D

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Everyone who votes on BorkBot is def. on my possible scum list.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Am I on your scum list, love?

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Yep.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 02:32 PM
I'm going off now. I suggest that:

You vote for a revealed town role. BorkBot is a good choice if you are suspicious of me.

A lookout should watch me tonight as I am likely to get doused or charged. I will tell you what actions happened to me tomorrow so you can work out some roles.

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 02:33 PM
what about me? Do I have the honour of being on Zane's scum list?

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 02:34 PM
well then i should also get off. My english assignment is untouched and i was supposed to do it over this week :(

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:35 PM
I'm going off now. I suggest that:

You vote for a revealed town role. BorkBot is a good choice if you are suspicious of me.

A lookout should watch me tonight as I am likely to get doused or charged. I will tell you what actions happened to me tomorrow so you can work out some roles.
He's WIFOMing the mafia/scum. Don't expect anything from him tomorrow. He is only interested in survival right now.

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 02:36 PM
I'm going off now. I suggest that:

You vote for a revealed town role. BorkBot is a good choice if you are suspicious of me.

A lookout should watch me tonight as I am likely to get doused or charged. I will tell you what actions happened to me tomorrow so you can work out some roles.

your hard on for wanting people to reveal as a town role is suspcious, you know that people can just fake claim right?

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:38 PM
Doo dee doo, ohhey Mcpwnage is here. Yay, some sense!

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:38 PM
In my mind, Kromos is clearly not the Sheriff. I do believe he is Town though, up to his old tricks again ^^

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:38 PM
-lynch McPwnage

Just keeping to the trend

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:39 PM
-lynch McPwnage

Just keeping to the trend

Hmmm, I'm having trouble deciding if Zane or McPwnage should be my vote for Town Leader.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Me obviously. That vote push towards BorkBot is ugly and I don't see a reason why we should trust his claim.

But we can be sure that Zane is town I guess, because he never lies and is friendly, sexy, intelligent and maybe a girl?

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 02:43 PM
Okay people, just musing right now. Regardless of who we elect, we must not revolve around that person. That person will be a target for all scum. I'm more worried about the electro-maniac than anything. (I think Fragos put in the Town Leader so that the Electro maniac is helped)

So basically this: If you are charged, I advise you to stay AWAY from the future town leader. If he is trustworthy (hopefully he's town) then he will say if he's charged or not.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 02:43 PM
I currently don't trust any claim, it's impossible on Day 1.
But Kromos is currently the only one to put something on the table, so he gets my vote for now.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:45 PM
You say you don't trust any claim, but still vote for him. That makes sense!

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:46 PM
Oh jesus, 5 more pages. brb reading.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Let's make it 15 for him!

Dust is so not town in this game..

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 02:48 PM
Again, if no one else says anything, he's the only one with any claim, and if he actually IS sheriff, two voices may be useful.
I agree that we can't revolve around him, even if we are giving him two voices.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 02:49 PM
He's WIFOMing the mafia/scum. Don't expect anything from him tomorrow. He is only interested in survival right now.

Well, yeah. I don't expect to be doused or charged now that I've said that but if something does happen to me like being witched or blocked I will tell you all tomorrow. I don't really expect to be attacked but mafia may take the risk if they don't think a doc will be healing me either because the doc doesn't trust me or the doc isn't healing me for WIFOM reasons.

@McPwnage

I don't want people to reveal their roles but if we are to trust a town leader they need to be revealed. Otherwise we would just be gambling that their role flips town. I know that it is easy to lie about your role but at least that is something they can slip up on in the future.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Anyone questioning the Sheriff claim when he's uncc'd is either dumb or scum.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Then remove your vote or do you want everybody to believe that you are mafia?

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 02:49 PM
But Kromos is currently the only one to put something on the table, so he gets my vote for now

What about me? Citizens are important, you know. DON'T YOU DARE IGNORE ME! :evil:

PS. I can't prove my role, but I do find it suspicious that you are apparently paying more attention to Kromos than to me. I was Batman in the last MFM. Doesn't that earn me some respect? ;)

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:50 PM
I think Zane is scum.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Again: A sheriff claim day 1 is terrible. If you are really Sheriff (But you aren't) Kromos, why reveal? Electro Maniac will simply charge you.

Luna
December 15th, 2011, 02:51 PM
I don't really expect to be attacked but mafia may take the risk if they don't think a doc will be healing me either because the doc doesn't trust me or the doc isn't healing me for WIFOM reasons.


If Sumikoko is the Doctor again I fear for your life xD

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:52 PM
I'm electing him, not voting him.

Zane is scum of some flavor. 75% sure.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Well, Citizens are Citizens.
They are important, but easily manipulated as they have no way of finding anything by themselves.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:52 PM
I put BBmolla in the neutral box.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Can we lynch yet I want Zane dead so badly, he's practically claiming scum.

Luna tomorrow.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 02:55 PM
As a note, electing a Citizen leader is a terrible idea considering there are four of them and mafia can easily claim to be one of them.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 02:56 PM
A great advantage of a citizen mayor is that nobody has any reason to visit him after being recruited by a mason. This makes a cit pretty much immune to the electro maniac, which leaves only the mafia as a direct threat and if a citizen town leader gets doused he can warn the town about it.

Investigative mayors are just going to die or kill their targets very quickly. I can't visit people unless I become a mason and get sent to recruit someone.

Kromos
December 15th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Again: A sheriff claim day 1 is terrible. If you are really Sheriff (But you aren't) Kromos, why reveal? Electro Maniac will simply charge you.

Not in this setup. I revealed so that I could be a candidate for town leader and to get healed in case I was random killed and we lost the sheriff.

Having an investigative role as town leader is very useful as I will be able to push for votes on people I know are mafia and will not be swayed by scum. A lookout could easily find the electro maniac if he tried to charge me and if I was charged I would simply tell other charged people to stay away.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Anyone questioning the Sheriff claim when he's uncc'd is either dumb or scum.

Anyone NOT questioning the Sheriff claim is either stupid, naive, or scum. You don't claim until you have results to benefit town. Stop insulting other's playstyles when yours is hardly viable or fun

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Electing a Sheriff is way worse, 1 charge and you easily lost a power role and the votes.

McJesus
December 15th, 2011, 02:57 PM
could someone explain to me how electromanaic works again?

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 02:58 PM
If someone who is charged visits someone else who is charged, both players die.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 02:59 PM
As a note, electing a Citizen leader is a terrible idea considering there are four of them and mafia can easily claim to be one of them.

This is the ONLY thing you've said that I somewhat agree with.


I'm electing him, not voting him.

Zane is scum of some flavor. 75% sure.

You don't know how Zane plays, stop pretending you do.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 02:59 PM
He works like a troll. He gives a player a banana or an apple. Now if 2 players got something different they will hate and kill each other.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:00 PM
If I die tonight mass claim tomorrow btw. Mafia/SK have convinced the town its a bad idea. AKA Zane and Luna.

Dust is probably town.

How the hell does anyone find Kromos scummy he's a beacon of townieness.

Zane has dropped scumtells multiple times and his logic makes no sense. He's not Jester, so he's either an evil third party or scum.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Thanks for your support deathfire, we will rule the world.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Are pictures allowed? Too lazy to check.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Deathfire have you seen Zane be scum yet? If so, how does it differ from his town play?

CmG
December 15th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Ok i State you 1 possibility why Sherriff claiming for Mayor in this setup is retarded!

Hello i am Executioner,
my hidden objective is getting elected Mayor and get my target lynched who is 100% Town.

Claim Sherriff today
getting healed from doc save from scum kill
investi sees the sherriff/exe

Night action none.

Day 2. I found mafia its omgwtfbbq
lynch him!
Counterclaim sherriff says. Haxx Haxx i am sherriff! he can't be right. Me the executioner says lulz me not care me more voices i join Town after this lynch because i can and have won.


THE END.


And thats why i don't will vote Kromos!

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 03:02 PM
-unvote Kromos

Zane has corrupted me with his logics.
Also completely correct logics.

Theories:
BBmolla+Kromos are maf
"beacon of towniness" from someone who ordered rolecall.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:03 PM
CmG: Let's think about this shall we?

There is confirmed ONE sheriff in the setup.

ONE sheriff has claimed.

ZERO people have counter claimed that claim.

Why do we have any reason to doubt it? What reason would a "real" sheriff have to not cc?

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:03 PM
If I die tonight mass claim tomorrow btw. Mafia/SK have convinced the town its a bad idea. AKA Zane and Luna.

What SK? There's an arsonist and an electromaniac.

Analysis: BBMolla is neither of those roles, or he's WIFOM-ing.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:04 PM
-unvote Kromos

Zane has corrupted me with his logics.
Also completely correct logics.

Theories:
BBmolla+Kromos are maf
"beacon of towniness" from someone who ordered rolecall.
It's still the best course of action especially considering our Sheriff already claimed.

This whole post is bad and you should be ashamed.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Molla is just trying to be, "that savvy newcomer" needless to say, he's failing hard, GODDAMMIT WHERE IS THEWAAAGH SO I CAN RANT!?

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:05 PM
What SK? There's an arsonist and an electromaniac.

Analysis: BBMolla is neither of those roles, or he's WIFOM-ing.
Arsonist/Electro qualify as SKs in my book. It wasn't a slip of any sort. You're town though, so congrats.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Molla is just trying to be, "that savvy newcomer" needless to say, he's failing hard, GODDAMMIT WHERE IS THEWAAAGH SO I CAN RANT!?
Cool filler bro.

"Molla sux omg"

Could you explain how I'm "failing hard?"

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Too lazy to get an answer. So let's do this without a picture. Imagine Conspiracy Keanu.

Not sure if BBmolla is scum/jester...



Or just stupid.

Goremancer
December 15th, 2011, 03:07 PM
I'm returning for a short post.
Right now Dust seems to be extremely suspicious. He's been lurking for a while now. And all this talk about electromaniac WIFOM on the sheriff just seems like a way to confuse the town. This is just my opinion

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:08 PM
I share this opinion goremancer.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:08 PM
CmG: Let's think about this shall we?

There is confirmed ONE sheriff in the setup.

ONE sheriff has claimed.

ZERO people have counter claimed that claim.

Why do we have any reason to doubt it? What reason would a "real" sheriff have to not cc?

This post is stupid and you should be ashamed, no sheriff will cc without having any proof to back his counter claim up. Hence why even CLAIMING on Day 1 is down right retarded. And ZERO people need to counter claim, if hes an executioner/invest/consig and the real sheriff is waiting, HE'S SMART, he wont have to claim until he's got something and the fake sheriff will most likely be lynched for lying when he's caught in the act.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Too lazy to get an answer. So let's do this without a picture. Imagine Conspiracy Keanu.

Not sure if BBmolla is scum/jester...



Or just stupid.
Explain.

Zane all you've done all game is say "omg I'm so funny lawl vote me for mayor ;)," and then confirmed yourself not jester by saying "what if I'm Jester."

Mafia don't want town to discuss. That is bad for Mafia. They want the town to stay clueless and to not scumhunt, because that allows the mafia to push quicklynches and make town do stupid stuff.

You have a scum PM. Keep calling me bad though, the irony is killing me.

You're scum, and if I need to flip to prove it I will.

Sumikoko
December 15th, 2011, 03:09 PM
I have no objections to being town leader, but as the vote stands right now, it's useless for me to try. I'll reveal my role if somehow my votes gain momentum, but otherwise I find it meaningless to do so today. That said, Sumi finds this whole affair quite unmotivating. Again. And Luna, rawr .Dun be jealous of my epic doctor skillz.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Molla is just trying to be, "that savvy newcomer" needless to say, he's failing hard, GODDAMMIT WHERE IS THEWAAAGH SO I CAN RANT!?
Molla is trying to be like Guardian.

Zane, is this what you are looking for?
http://k.wigflip.com/wbaJklF3/roflbot.jpg


Edit: stop posting when I want to post

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:10 PM
CmG: Let's think about this shall we?

There is confirmed ONE sheriff in the setup.

ONE sheriff has claimed.

ZERO people have counter claimed that claim.

Why do we have any reason to doubt it? What reason would a "real" sheriff have to not cc?

So you're asking for "the real" sheriff to come out and claim? If Kromos isn't it, the real sheriff would run a very real risk to be charged the first or the second night. And if Kromos is a jester or something, he won't be found out unless the investigator also reveals. That would allow the electro maniac to get the town out of information gathering roles really quickly. You should not be encouraging investigative roles to claim early at all in this game. The EM needs to be lynched first.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:10 PM
This post is stupid and you should be ashamed, no sheriff will cc without having any proof to back his counter claim up. Hence why even CLAIMING on Day 1 is down right retarded. And ZERO people need to counter claim, if hes an executioner/invest/consig and the real sheriff is waiting, HE'S SMART, he wont have to claim until he's got something and the fake sheriff will most likely be lynched for lying when he's caught in the act.
What? That's dumb. If he counter claims right now WE HAVE ONE CONFIRMED SCUM. Town powers FAAAAAR exceeds scum power, so a 1 for 1 trade is pro-town as shit.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER SHERIFF YOU NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE A 50% OF LYNCHING SCUM TODAY.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Do you really believe all what you are saying? Seriously I didn't see a good reason yet, why a sheriff should reveal. (Focusing the heal on one person is NOT a good idea.)

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Cool filler bro.

"Molla sux omg"

Could you explain how I'm "failing hard?"

ALL of your logic is faulty, you are using plans and ideas the may have worked with other people, but this is a DIFFERENT FORUM, people want to have fun and enjoy the game, Mass claiming day 1 isn't fun, as FM5 showed up (they did it Day 4 but same diff.) You are claiming to find scum tells from people who have played the same in every FM, like Zane, he's plays the same way every single game. He's naturally playing Jester no matter his role whether it be town/neutral or mafia.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Because it means we have a 50% of lynching scum today.

Those are some pretty damned good odds.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:12 PM
And we can't lynch today.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Didn't know a fake claim is confirmed scum. Jester, town (not again Kromos :D), neutral...

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:12 PM
ALL of your logic is faulty, you are using plans and ideas the may have worked with other people, but this is a DIFFERENT FORUM, people want to have fun and enjoy the game, Mass claiming day 1 isn't fun, as FM5 showed up (they did it Day 4 but same diff.) You are claiming to find scum tells from people who have played the same in every FM, like Zane, he's plays the same way every single game. He's naturally playing Jester no matter his role whether it be town/neutral or mafia.
So he plays scum the same, does he not?

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Didn't know a fake claim is confirmed scum. Jester, town (not again Kromos :D), neutral...
Scum = Anti Town.

Jester can counter claim for all I give a shit, the faster he's out of the way the better.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM
My scum play style is completely different.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Also, so let me get this straight, Zane's strategy is to be completely unhelpful in every way possible day one every game?

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM
My scum play style is completely different.
Evidence?

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Obviously I ruined every forum mafia for everyone.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:15 PM
What? That's dumb. If he counter claims right now WE HAVE ONE CONFIRMED SCUM. Town powers FAAAAAR exceeds scum power, so a 1 for 1 trade is pro-town as shit.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER SHERIFF YOU NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE A 50% OF LYNCHING SCUM TODAY.

WHAT IF KROMOS IS MAKING ANOTHER GAMBIT, OR THE PERSON WHO CC'S IS USING A GAMBIT, THEN WE"VE LOST TWO POWER ROLES!

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:15 PM
You never played with me and I only played 1 forum mafia as mafia (which doesn't count since I was too busy there).

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 03:15 PM
@BBmolla

so maf doesnt kill them?
its first day there wont be proof against either.

and I should be ashamed accusing a person who is currently defending one person without looking at other logic or any other courses of action?

ok.

ALSO THERE IS NO LYNCH TODAY

Sheriff would never reveal on day 1, even to cc.

Can't tell if jester of BBmolla+Kromos=maf

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Also, so let me get this straight, Zane's strategy is to be completely unhelpful in every way possible day one every game?

Day one is a troll day, or its supposed to be, but you're ruining the fun.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:16 PM
WHAT IF KROMOS IS MAKING ANOTHER GAMBIT, OR THE PERSON WHO CC'S IS USING A GAMBIT, THEN WE"VE LOST TWO POWER ROLES!
Gambits are dumb and if Kromos is doing that at that point he should cc.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:17 PM
I'll leave him as a jester for now, could easily be a evil neutral.

I still think Dust is scum.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:17 PM
When does the leader get decided, if we're not going to scumhunt we might as well just no lynch and end the day, it's pointless.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Gambits are dumb and if Kromos is doing that at that point he should cc.

A lot of people use gambits on this forum, you're going to need to learn to adapt.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Yes I'm quite obviously trying to get lynched.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Alright, AFK for the rest of the day, no point.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 03:19 PM
CCing without proof or on day 1 in general is completely pointless and will result in a kill.
Actually, if Kromos DOESNT die tonight, I will be either incredibly surprised or just lynch him, because you're both acting incredibly stupid.

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:20 PM
I'll leave him as a jester for now, could easily be a evil neutral.

I still think Dust is scum.
No, my love. Come back to the light. I only want you. Or you can think what you want.

And BBmolla wasn't even reading my posts. My last post (was it?) said we can't lynch today. I don't trust him.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:20 PM
When does the leader get decided, if we're not going to scumhunt we might as well just no lynch and end the day, it's pointless.

Fine you want scum hunting?

Why do you think I'm scum: Because I'm skeptical of D1 claims?, because I'm arguing with you?

What do you think of Nick?

What do you think of Zack?

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:21 PM
Yes I'm quite obviously trying to get lynched.

Well you're pretty much pissing off everyone except for Kromos

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:21 PM
I guess BBmolla doesn't read anything or is a bad jester. Even I read more than him and that really means a lot.

And I love you for sure Dust, but you are still scum :)

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:24 PM
I guess BBmolla doesn't read anything or is a bad jester. Even I read more than him and that really means a lot.

And I love you for sure Dust, but you are still scum :)
Love is all that matters.

BBmolla should read Fragos' posts at least. He needs all the help he can get. He isn't thinking at all.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Rocshi, are you trying to sever ties to your Kromos, whom you were praising earlier? Without any real changes in anyone's attitudes? I find that suspicious.

Kromos won't die tonight because he's the only sensible target for a doctor to heal right now. We just don't know anything about any other power roles and a sheriff claim in this setup is still a better lead for a heal than a non-claim, because nobody has any specific reasons to be targeted and there's no risk of being electrocuted yet.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Fine you want scum hunting?

Why do you think I'm scum: Because I'm skeptical of D1 claims?, because I'm arguing with you?

What do you think of Nick?

What do you think of Zack?
I think you're scum because you're trying to push the election of someone who has no reason to be elected as well as doing nothing but discrediting me without providing your own reads.

Nick is probably town because of his early game play where he demonstrated that he's actually trying to play to the town win condition.

Zack is town. He admitted my plan will probably work, and was fine with it going through, but also displayed opposition and reasons to oppose it.(Outing doc for example)

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Love is all that matters.

BBmolla should read Fragos' posts at least. He needs all the help he can get. He isn't thinking at all.
Explain please. Where is it displayed that I'm not thinking?

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:26 PM
Deathfire and Zane are most likely not scum together.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:27 PM
the election of someone who has no reason to be elected as well as doing nothing but discrediting me


I'm sexy. That's my reason!

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:27 PM
BBmolla, who should we lynch today? :p

oh that's right, WE CAN'T

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:27 PM
You finally realized I'm town?

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Ah, we're not lynching today cool. Doesn't mean I can't point out scum. I'm so glad someone mentioned that instead of just calling me dumb/jester.

Hurry up and vote Kromos.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Sumikoko don't be so quiet, we could think you are scum :p

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:29 PM
You finally realized I'm town?
One of you probably is, more likely Death than you. Or you're just neutral and mafia.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:31 PM
BBMolla; vote Nick with me if you think he's town. I agree he made some good suggestions before.

Better to have a town whose role isn't known as town leader than a sheriff claim who has a giant target painted on his back, right?

Only way for this to turn out well in my opinion is if Kromos is going for another gambit and his actual role is veteran, not sheriff. A veteran mayor would be epic, but if that is his real role, he wouldn't reveal it until the next day at the earliest.

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Nah I'm too dumb Bork.

Rocshi
December 15th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Rocshi, are you trying to sever ties to your Kromos, whom you were praising earlier? Without any real changes in anyone's attitudes? I find that suspicious.

Kromos won't die tonight because he's the only sensible target for a doctor to heal right now. We just don't know anything about any other power roles and a sheriff claim in this setup is still a better lead for a heal than a non-claim, because nobody has any specific reasons to be targeted and there's no risk of being electrocuted yet.

True.
My claim was mostly based on BBmolla's undying love for him that seems maf-like.
I was waiting for a cc, or any other claim.
Well, he's a prime target to be charged for sure.
If no cc comes out tomorrow, he's just fucking stupid.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I'm not going to be bullied into voting for Kromos. I stand by my belief that he is an exec. However, I will

-unvote Zane


and

-vote Zack


I do agree that he is the most townlike person here. I do not agree with your analysis on Nick though

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Flipping what I said, Zane is probably town or neutral. Most of the scum are probably in the lurkers.

Deathfire is town too.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:42 PM
You already said that you think I'm town. So you can't really flip it?

Translation: I don't have any clue.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:43 PM
I miss my buddy, The Waaagh, also, guys, I'm going to be away for most of tomorrow for a party so dont expect much from me.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Implying that you got a real life haha

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Zane has been posting filler but he's been extremely active and unafraid of being noticed.

Deathfire's all caps post was townie on second look, and he's actively trying to understand where I'm coming from.

I didn't have you as town, I had either you or Death as town maybe.

*shrug*

BBmolla
December 15th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Is there possibly a way to view just one person's posts throughout the thread?

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:45 PM
I will lurk now. Me gusta o.o

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Implying that you got a real life haha

I know, :P Even when I'm at school I try to fit in a couple hours of Forum Mafia.

Deathfire123
December 15th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Is there possibly a way to view just one person's posts throughout the thread?

Click on name, click view all Forum posts, since this thread was made today, it probably wont be clogged with other thread's posts

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:47 PM
I do agree that he is the most townlike person here. I do not agree with your analysis on Nick though

You don't think I'm a town-like citizen? I'm deeply hurt :(

Would be funny if you, Zane and Zack are mafbuddies.

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:48 PM
:shy:

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:49 PM
I think that having Zane as the Town leader would be beneficial to the town. In my experience with Zane, Zane is playing a town role right now. Zack...IDK. I haven't much paid attention to him I've been in with him to really judge him.
And I love Zane, not Zack.

-Vote Town Leader Zane

Sumi (1): Zack
Kromos (7): Nick, TheWaaagh, BBmolla, jaczac, RandomNumbers0, Goremancer, Rocshi, Luna
Dust (1): wolfcheese
Zane (3): CmG, McPwnage, Dust
Nick (1): BorkBot
BorkBot (1): Kromos
Zack (1): Deathfire123

People, if you want your vote/unvote to count, bold it and make it green then combine them like this

Dust
December 15th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Edit: Kromos should have 8 votes...

Zane
December 15th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Jaczac voted on Kromos. Yet he didn't want to talk at all.

Lurking again.

BorkBot
December 15th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Still wrong, Dust. Luna's last vote was on me :p

You have counted other votes that weren't bold/green as well.

RandomNumbers0
December 15th, 2011, 03:52 PM
<green>-vote Kromos<green>