View Full Version : Introducing the Even Newer Advent Of Forum Shogi[ 将棋 ]
ThePaladin
July 3rd, 2016, 05:23 PM
You are black[blue]
I am white.[red]
First Come First Serve.
Rules and Piece movements are on wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi#Setup_and_gameplay
If you are interested, I can also explain and summarize the basic rules.
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ThePaladin
July 4th, 2016, 12:05 PM
At least shogi is free from the music....
secondpassing
July 4th, 2016, 01:44 PM
Just watched a game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkbu8_D9U) online but I can't seem to understand early game goals. What are the early game goals for both players?
Trades seem to happen beginning on turn 3. Is that normal?
Are the lances ever even used?
If a piece is dropped in the promotion zone and moves out of it in the next turn, is the piece promoted?
ThePaladin
July 4th, 2016, 03:02 PM
Just watched a game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkbu8_D9U) online but I can't seem to understand early game goals. What are the early game goals for both players?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi_opening
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi_strategy_and_tactics
Trades seem to happen beginning on turn 3. Is that normal
It's really play-style dependent, generally I'd say turn 3 seems a little early. in the game you link if I counted turns right, I don't think a trade happened on turn 3, closer to turn 7 i think?
Are the lances ever even used.
Yes. They are especially good since you can drop them anywhere on the board once you capture one. The main reason why I don't think they're used in the game that you linked is that like in chess, you generally don't want to develop on the side of the board but rather the middle, so they are a late/mid-game piece like the rook in chess. There is also a strategies of attacking the edge's of the board called an "edge attack" on wikipedia. It's generally done when an opponent is very defensive on one side of the board (such as when castling or overextending) in order to allow an attack from the side[Generally Weaker defense on side of castles than front]
If a piece is dropped in the promotion zone and moves out of it in the next turn, is the piece promoted?
Pedit: Was Wrong About This.
You do have the option to promote it.
Here's the promotion rules
PROMOTION
The three rows furthest away from a player are called the promotion zone.
Apart from the King and the Gold, any piece can be promoted to a more powerful piece when it makes a move completely or partly in the promotion zone.
So, when a piece moves into, out of or fully inside the promotion zone it may be promoted upon completion of its move.
Promotion is optional, provided that the piece still can make a legal move in case it is not promoted: if a Pawn or a Lance move to the last row, or a Knight moves to either of the last two rows, it must be promoted.
In Shogi sets promoting a piece is done by turning this pieceupside down.
Its promoted name is written on its other side
[from= http://www.ricoh.com/ja/SHOGI/rules/erules.html ]
Answers.
Quick
July 4th, 2016, 06:02 PM
Hmm.. I've never played, but might give it a go. Only unless secondpassing doesn't want to play.. I assume they do since they are asking about it.
Consider me next in line.
ThePaladin
July 4th, 2016, 06:14 PM
Hmm.. I've never played, but might give it a go. Only unless secondpassing doesn't want to play.. I assume they do since they are asking about it.
Consider me next in line.
I can start another thread for you if you want.
ThePaladin
July 4th, 2016, 06:21 PM
If you want to get a quick feel for the game
http://japanesechess.org/shogi2014/
Has Western Style Pieces (Latin Characters as opposed to Kanji) but is only against a computer with 5 difficulties.
secondpassing
July 5th, 2016, 12:13 AM
If you want to get a quick feel for the game
http://japanesechess.org/shogi2014/
Has Western Style Pieces (Latin Characters as opposed to Kanji) but is only against a computer with 5 difficulties.
Just played a match, I won against the easy computer :D
Hmm.. I've never played, but might give it a go. Only unless secondpassing doesn't want to play.. I assume they do since they are asking about it.
Consider me next in line.
I'm considering it. Why don't you go ahead? I'm still studying this game, and for now I'm content on studying it.
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 12:18 AM
Black moves first so just make a post with your first move.
Quick
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 01:16 AM
Black moves first so just make a post with your first move.
Quick
Err... how do I tell you what piece I moved?
(I played against the computer and got up to novice then stopped for no reason than to do other things. Fascinating game; I could get into this.)
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 01:40 AM
I wont be able to start/makeMyMove till at least 12 hours
Umm, If you want to do that then just darken the piece
Liek this for blue
liek this for red
I can generally figure it out but can do either way since its not really anymore work to colour the last moved piece
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 01:40 AM
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Looks like I actually was able to figure it out.
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 01:42 AM
And yeah I agree, its really a whole lot more interesting than chess with the dropping and promotion
The rules make much more sense when thinking of it in the context of mimicking actual battles
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 01:47 AM
And yeah I agree, its really a whole lot more interesting than chess with the dropping and promotion
The rules make much more sense when thinking of it in the context of mimicking actual battles
I am actually quite excited to play this game. Hopefully I learn something getting my ass handed to me.
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 12:42 PM
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Looks like I actually was able to figure it out.
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I'd recommend using whatever the most advance editor you can choose on settings is. Since it allows you to just cut and paste your piece while keeping co lour. That and making the table actually look readable in editor.
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 02:30 PM
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I'd recommend using whatever the most advance editor you can choose on settings is. Since it allows you to just cut and paste your piece while keeping co lour. That and making the table actually look readable in editor.
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I'll be honest, i still have no idea what I am doing >.<
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 02:59 PM
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I'll be honest, i still have no idea what I am doing >.<
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Early Game is mainly setup for attack while also setting up a defense good enough to allow you to extend.
It just takes a bit to get a feel for what to do, same with every game.
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 03:17 PM
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Early Game is mainly setup for attack while also setting up a defense good enough to allow you to extend.
It just takes a bit to get a feel for what to do, same with every game.
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ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 03:21 PM
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ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 03:23 PM
If you want we can just use the quote then delete the quote tag and make a move.
That's probably easier than copy and pasting the entire board every time.
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 03:44 PM
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Hmm
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interesting game.
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 03:50 PM
Hmm
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interesting game.
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You forgot to call check.
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 04:10 PM
You forgot to call check.
Sorry, didn't even notice.
I have a question. When I played on that online site I never figured out how to add an enemy piece to the board that I had captured? How does that work? It was unclear to me looking at the rules that you linked to us.
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 04:14 PM
Sorry, didn't even notice.
I have a question. When I played on that online site I never figured out how to add an enemy piece to the board that I had captured? How does that work? It was unclear to me looking at the rules that you linked to us.
On the site you click on the piece in the token reservoir then the board should show what locations you can place it down in on blue. Then just click the place on the board.
For a game the rules are
Can't drop the a pawn on the same column as another unpromoted pawn(under your control)
Can't drop a pawn that would checkmate[can do it to check]
Can't make illegal drops that would not be able to move after dropping[pawns/knights are only pieces where this is possible]
Quick
July 5th, 2016, 05:14 PM
On the site you click on the piece in the token reservoir then the board should show what locations you can place it down in on blue. Then just click the place on the board.
For a game the rules are
Can't drop the a pawn on the same column as another unpromoted pawn(under your control)
Can't drop a pawn that would checkmate[can do it to check]
Can't make illegal drops that would not be able to move after dropping[pawns/knights are only pieces where this is possible]
Are we timing this game?
ThePaladin
July 5th, 2016, 06:19 PM
Are we timing this game?
I hope not lol.
I don't see any sensible way to set up a time limit without playing on an actual dedicated site.
I could only find sites for pvp with kanji pieces though.
Quick
July 6th, 2016, 03:29 PM
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ThePaladin
July 6th, 2016, 03:42 PM
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Quick
July 6th, 2016, 04:32 PM
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ThePaladin
July 6th, 2016, 04:48 PM
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Quick
July 6th, 2016, 05:03 PM
How does it work with putting a piece on the board that you have captured? Can you put it anywhere? Can you promote the piece as soon as you place it?
ThePaladin
July 6th, 2016, 05:16 PM
How does it work with putting a piece on the board that you have captured? Can you put it anywhere? Can you promote the piece as soon as you place it?
Drop rules:
Can't drop the a pawn on the same column as another unpromoted pawn(under your control)
Can't drop a pawn that would checkmate[can do it to check
Can't make illegal drops that would not be able to move after dropping[pawns/knights are only pieces where this is possible
You can't promote the piece till after you have moved it.
If a piece is dropped (or moved into )then out of the promotion zone it can be promoted at the end of the move.
Dropping a piece uses up your entire turn[ you can't move any pieces]
Quick
July 7th, 2016, 02:38 AM
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ThePaladin
July 7th, 2016, 03:16 PM
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Quick
July 8th, 2016, 11:41 PM
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ThePaladin
July 12th, 2016, 07:53 PM
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secondpassing
July 12th, 2016, 11:14 PM
So um, how do you get the piece to move?
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