Archangel - 1-S2-1-2585177; Convicious - 1-S2-1-3037404 ***UPDATED PLEASE READ***

[Ambient]

This game actually had two groups that were skyping. I will be posting them in two separate reports (one for each party).

Account Name: Archangel
Account ID: 1-S2-1-2585177

Account Name: Convicious
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3037404

Crimes Committed: Cheating

Summary:
Convicious (Godfather) leaked the identity of Yayap (framer) to Archangel (SK) and they were working together to take advantage of the game.

The evidence that supports this is the following
- The death note killing the framer includes a correct role (framer)
- Archangel: In death chat he admits this openly.
- When Archangel is on trial Convicious votes innocent.
- They never target each other
- There ID's are adjacent to each other suggesting party.

Replay - 213

[Yayap]

Being in the game, I should not be the one to approve this.

But it should be noted that after the Game, Convicious expressed his desire to join the Watch List. So I would suggest Kick-Vote. Watch List almost seems like a reward to him.

[fred]

At 7 minutes in, it was apparent that Archangel had gotten his information from other sources. I deem this cheating if anything. He did in fact know that Yayap was the framer, with no info about it given during the day chats. At about 24:34 he reveals his sources of information, confirming that he cheated along with another person.

In the jailor chat at 27:33 ish, Archangel's "partner" admits to gamethrowing, confirming the fact that he is indeed the partner, and that this was not just a trolling.

Archangel: Gamethrowing/Cheating
Convicious: Gamethrowing/Cheating

As they seemed to have wanted a Watch list punishment, I'd suggest KV, but that's just me.

[ShogunRua]

Account Name: Convicious
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3037404

Crimes Committed: Game-throwing (gave away mafia)

In-Game Name: Rebecca Black Friday
Summary: Joined a game. This guy was revealed as a known game-thrower in the setup, but we didn't get enough votes to kick him. Game starts and I'm the Godfather. Day 1, someone calls out our Disguiser and he gets lynched. For his last words, he admits he is the gamethrower and proceeds to give away the names of the other mafia members (see screenshot).

Amazingly, I still manage to win the game. The Escort somehow convinced everybody not to lynch me (he had me on rb-lockdown) and I got lucky with a Veteran alert killing town later in the game. But that's beside the point. This Convicious fellow is a confirmed game-thrower, and he clearly does not take his Kickvote punishment seriously. He's still throwing games. I suggest a ban.

[Ambient]

This player has been already added to the kick vote list. In addition 3 weeks ago another event was reported http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/3200-NA-Game-throwing-Convicious-1-S2-1-3037404?highlight=Convicious.

I suggest this player be added to the ban list.

[fred]

He was literally just added to the KV list. I second that motion.

[Soul0504]

Account Name: Archangel
Account ID: 1-S2-1-2585177

Account Name: Convicious
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3037404

Crimes Committed: Game throwing, cheating

Summary:
Archangel (jailor) jails me first night for making fun of him and executes me, he says hes on skype again with his friend Convicious. (Bodyguard) Archangel says it is his job to gamethrow for being on kick vote list making everyone lose for not kicking him in the lobby

[fred]

I don't need to say much for this one.

Dark.Revenant should be adding them to the ban-list for multiple offences in a short time-span.

[Soul0504]

He also claimed theirs nothing much worse then the kickvote list.

[fred]

I saw that when skimming through the replay :p It's pretty blatant..and frankly they don't care about the game, they just want to destroy it. No worries Soul punishment will take place.

[Soul0504]

I can barely get into a game... Convicious and Archangel keep joining together with 1 or 2 people causing mass quits after kicking them.

[Ambient]

I wasn't aware they had actually been added to the list yet. If you are seeing this send some replays of the fail-games.

[Dark.Revenant]

I update the game with the punishments within a few hours of putting a batch in the punished forum. And yeah, this is clearly destructive. Standard ban-list procedure, doublelength.

[Archangel]

This is obviously a troll, this guy kept spamming me with messages saying he would kill my mother and rape my daughter, I don't understand whats going on.
I'm looking to get an appeal, simply because I didn't do anything to deserve this, Soul0504 is most likely 'soulhunter' who was trolling me most of the game, sending me racist PMS. Shogunrua after the game said 'umad bro' and i blocked him, i didn't do anything to deserve this, honestly, convicious is just a friend I was playing with, we weren't cheating or anything like that.

[Yayap]

Archangel, I'd like to know exactly what we are suppose to see in the replays you want us to review to reverse the judgement. I've looked at all of them and in each single case you are skype cheating and game-throwing. Not to mention your crimes against me personally.

Now as far as I remember, I didn't kick you from the game, nor did I kick your buddy. What do you have against me?

I've also looked at your complaint against SoulHunter. And I'm inclined to agree on this one, he is harassing you in this particular game. I'm still trying to figure out how he determined that Natalie Portman was Convicious, I don't see any name claim from him.

[Archangel]

Alright, I admit to cheating sometimes with convicious, but I also play legit games, I do not deserve to be ban-listed and soulhunter has been harassing me everytime I join a game, spamming KICK ARCHANGEL, this Is obvious harassment and something needs to be done about this. Soulhunter also PMs me after he finishes a game saying 'umad bro' etc, had to block him now.

[convicious]

Wow,

I am one of Mafia's premier players, over 30 games a day, and I bring smiles and laughter to the players of the world. Doing a "reveal" of mafia is a legitimate strategy, especially in a game where people "know" there's a game thrower. As you can see in the replay, the town could not be sure of mafia's role (except for the one's ragequit, making it obvious) and we won regardless. It is a game of DECEPTION, and I was using it to my advantage. To win. If I had claimed non-mafia to be the remaining mafia, would it suddenly be a "great strat?"

Look at my record of wins and losses and it looks no different from anyone else's, because I play just the same as everybody else. Sure Archangel and I are in party sometimes; when people make troll setups with boring roles (talking to you, Mason Leader with no cult or citizens), you want to talk to someone else about how fail the town is. And yeah, every once in a while someone needs to get trolled for spamming or not taking the game seriously (this is what brings the game its popularity on a game full of trolls), but for the most part I play alone.

If you want I can submit all of the replays I have for Mafia for the past week or however long it auto-saves, to show that in most games I play normally. Heck, I even saw the elusive "only-Jester" win the other day. I feel that the kick-vote list is sufficient punishment for my offenses and personality/playstyle. People who do not like a little friendly/healthy trolling in their game kick me, and go without. People who feel that their mafia experience would best be enjoyed a little spicier (think "Wild Wasteland" perk from New Vegas) don't kick me, and we have a fun, entertaining game. I feel that there are plenty in the community who would attest that I make it a more enjoyable place to be. I generally only play the graveyard troll shift (1AM-6AM EST) anyway. Please accept this candid appeal as a sign of my remorse. I apologize for my inappropriate actions, and I will tone it back. But I love this game so much, it's the only reason I start up Starcraft 2. Please don't ban me!

Thank you for your time and consideration,
Convicious

[Soul0504]

I never have pmed Archangel, he is lieng about this and when I get into a sc2 mafia lobby with him or in the game he states "DONT KICK WE HAVE 6+ PEOPLE MASS LEAVES WILL OCCUR" I spam kick archangel because the game I have played with him ended in a game-throw and having them cheat at the same time.

They always join a game together which is obvious they are skyping all the time

[NorthStar]

Alright, I admit to cheating sometimes with convicious, but I also play legit games, I do not deserve to be ban-listed and soulhunter has been harassing me everytime I join a game, spamming KICK ARCHANGEL, this Is obvious harassment and something needs to be done about this. Soulhunter also PMs me after he finishes a game saying 'umad bro' etc, had to block him now.
Your arguement is invalid. I would call that a useful suggestion for the greater good of the game.

[Archangel]

Soulhunter, Im not lying about anything, You were msging me racist PMs and i was very offended, please dont lie scum troll.

[Soul0504]

Actually I havent pmed you or your friend, also do you have any proof of this harassment?

[Dark.Revenant]

I'll drop this back to KV status for the Friday update. But please, do continue.

[Goonswarm]

Opening this thread again and updating it. Have played several games with these guys, in all of them they grief and do their best to avoid moderation but at the same time upon review are blatantly cheating.

In this game as invest he checks nobody then random accuses as his friend Convicious is in the Mafia.

Recommended banlist for both. They simply play to ruin the experience for others.

[Archangel]

I play to simply enjoy myself and make a fun game for all players of mafia, I'm sorry if you got mad about that game but that's just your opinion, everyone else was having fun dude. :)

[Ambient]

Multiple offenses. I approve.

[Dark.Revenant]

Renewing KV status for quad-length.

[Lysergic]

Alright, I admit to cheating sometimes with convicious, but I also play legit games, I do not deserve to be ban-listed

So because you don't cheat EVERY time, you don't deserve punishment?

Lawl. Yeah, that's why I only rape every OTHER woman I meet.

[Archangel]

I deserve kickvote, not ban-list.

[Apocist]

Thats the first and last time I attempt to save Archangel from being kicked... may have not cheated in my game but does nothing but greif and troll. Threatening to kick and ban people by pretending to be a mod.

[Goonswarm]

Thats the first and last time I attempt to save Archangel from being kicked... may have not cheated in my game but does nothing but greif and troll. Threatening to kick and ban people by pretending to be a mod.

Replay by chance?

[Apocist]

Replay by chance?
whee

[Darkrain]

Yeah I'll also back this up I wasn't in this game but I was in a previous one and that's all he did was claim moderator the whole game, and threaten to kick people from the game and that he put himself on the kick-vote list to *TEST* it out too make sure it worked properly or something like that.. I'll post the replay if you'd like just ask me

[EvilValk]

Archangel, Admiral, Convicious, Snewbie and Themonk all need to be banned. As you can see from the beginning of the replay I have attached below, if you look at how the names are stacked, it strongly suggests that they are in a party and/or skyping with each other. They are all also on the KickVote list, which is far beyond coincidental. They troll and grief games constantly, just look at the role make-up of this replay, it is absurd.

As the game progresses (at 03 mins and 45 secs) Whiterun Guard claims he is the lookout and says that he had watched himself the night before and that Fluttershy visited him. Besides the fact that he could be the Random:Any role, any experienced mafia player would know immediately that he is lying about being the lookout, for the simple fact that lookouts cannot visit themselves. After the voting was finished, 5 people voted for Fluttershy and 4 people had voted for Whiterun Guard. It was then learned (by most of the intelligent community) that there was no trial and it was an instant lynch because they were all in it together.

This game was unfair and rigged, with the obvious result of people quitting-and I do not blame them. This kind of inanity needs to be taken care of, as these individuals not only know they are ruining the game but doing it on purpose for their own amusement and making a mockery of Mafia. There are plenty of people that are tired of it-I am one of them.

If this is not griefing, then I need the definition of what is.

[Archangel]

You realise fluttershy was partied with 4 other people and ragequit with his buddies after getting lynched?

[EvilValk]

And? That would be just about everybody that was not in YOUR party...as I said before, I do not blame them for leaving a troll game. You troll the game and the forums with your buddies, just give it a rest already.

[Capitalier]

You realise fluttershy was partied with 4 other people and ragequit with his buddies after getting lynched?
mn unotrllnanart

[EvilValk]

mn unotrllnanart

Exactly my point.

[Archangel]

Then why did those 4 people just happen to vote for whiterun? Because they cheated, who cares If I was in a party, I was simply making an enjoyable game experience for everyone.

[Sookie]

Then why did those 4 people just happen to vote for whiterun? Because they cheated, who cares If I was in a party, I was simply making an enjoyable game experience for everyone.
(at 03 mins and 45 secs) Whiterun Guard claims he is the lookout and says that he had watched himself the night before and that Fluttershy visited him. Besides the fact that he could be the Random:Any role, any experienced mafia player would know immediately that he is lying about being the lookout, for the simple fact that lookouts cannot visit themselves.

seems like a pretty good reason to vote Whiterun to me.

[Darkrain]

Then why did those 4 people just happen to vote for whiterun? Because they cheated, who cares If I was in a party, I was simply making an enjoyable game experience for everyone. enjoyable game experience for everyone?? man you are delusional...

[EvilValk]

Then why did those 4 people just happen to vote for whiterun? Because they cheated, who cares If I was in a party, I was simply making an enjoyable game experience for everyone.

This just shows your inability to come to sensible conclusions.

[Ambient]

I plan to take a look at these tonight after work. Any other Mod/Keeper feel free to do so if you have time before hand.

However, I feel these replays are going to be very simple to analyze.

[Ice52berg]

I plan to take a look at these tonight after work. Any other Mod/Keeper feel free to do so if you have time before hand.

However, I feel these replays are going to be very simple to analyze.

Yo Ambient, you have already looked at the replay posted by EvilValk I believe.

Link to post here. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/3795-Azu-1-S2-1-2095738-Shimian-1-S2-1-2120744-Valk-1-S2-1-3207987-Sloris-1-S2-1-2101909-more-in-body)

[NorthStar]

Soulhunter, Im not lying about anything, You were msging me racist PMs and i was very offended, please dont lie scum troll.
I've seen your interactions with other players in the Mafia channel. You're a lieing prick that takes his natural annoying personality and calls it trolling with good intentions. You're not funny, you're not a troll. You're just terrible.

Edit: I like how most of the chronic/serial offenders are Donors these days instead of random peeps.

[Darkrain]

Edit: I like how most of the chronic/serial offenders are Donors these days instead of random peeps.
I've seen a lot more griefers and cheaters that weren't Donors then I have Griefers that were donors I don't know what your talking about

[Archangel]

I don't understand the problem here, I'm simply playing mafia by the rules.. why does this thread even exist?

[Darkrain]

I don't understand the problem here, I'm simply playing mafia by the rules.. why does this thread even exist?
And this here is why he deserve a Ban... he doesn't seem to care about the rules or follow them...

[Ash]

Edit: I like how most of the chronic/serial offenders are Donors these days instead of random peeps.

ik wat ur talking 'bout man, poor archangel

[Archangel]

You people are pretty funny but, I don't deserve a ban, I donated $1 to mafia, supporting it, without donors like me you couldn't play.

[Sookie]

You people are pretty funny but, I don't deserve a ban, I donated $1 to mafia, supporting it, without donors like me you couldn't play.You are a confirmed cheater/gamethrower, a chronic griefer, a vulgar/racist spammer, a bad troll and a terrible liar that will say "anything" to try and get away with said actions. you are an ideal candidate for a ban if i ever met one.

frankly i'm surprised you where kept around as long as ya were

[EvilValk]

You are a confirmed cheater/gamethrower, a chronic griefer, a vulgar/racist spammer, a bad troll and a terrible liar that will say "anything" to try and get away with said actions. you are an ideal candidate for a ban if i ever met one.

frankly i'm surprised you where kept around as long as ya were

Fully agree and support this.

[cygx]

You are a confirmed cheater/gamethrower, a chronic griefer, a vulgar/racist spammer, a bad troll and a terrible liar that will say "anything" to try and get away with said actions. you are an ideal candidate for a ban if i ever met one.

frankly i'm surprised you where kept around as long as ya were

without all these things mafia would never be the same. god would you people stop complaining?

[Archangel]

I noticed both of your avatars are ponies, pretty much your opinions don't mean anything.

Also oops_ur_dead abused his powers and banned me from forums for 4 months, this has been fixed with dark rev though, at least he sees through his troll mods.

[Darkrain]

You people are pretty funny but, I don't deserve a ban, I donated $1 to mafia, supporting it, without donors like me you couldn't play.
Yes you Donated 1 Dollar, but that doesn't give you the right to do the things you do and get away with.. and also if Dr unbanned you why did u make a new account?

[Archangel]

I'm getting unbanned within a few days.

[EvilValk]

Yes you Donated 1 Dollar, but that doesn't give you the right to do the things you do and get away with.. and also if Dr unbanned you why did u make a new account?

Lol

[SNewbie]

Yes you Donated 1 Dollar, but that doesn't give you the right to do the things you do and get away with.. and also if Dr unbanned you why did u make a new account?

Just out of curiosity, how much would it cost to be able to do horrible, terrible things and get away with it?

[Archangel]

A nickel.

[fred]

Archangel does not deserve to be unbanned. I'm in full support of permbanning players like Archangel. Any person who plays to make everyone lose can gtfo for all I care.

[NorthStar]

Archangel does not deserve to be unbanned. I'm in full support of permbanning players like Archangel. Any person who plays to make everyone lose can gtfo for all I care.
Agreed, he should be removed from the Mafia community.

[Thedude69]

Um, we're all having fun on mafia, why you guys hating on me? Seriously. I make mafia fun for everyone, ask random people who play it!
You guys are just hating because I'm finding corrupt mods within your community that need to be demoted, they ban for no reason etc, don't get so mad please.

[Ash]

Calling mods corrupt will only get them more mad.

[Raptorblaze]

You people are pretty funny but, I don't deserve a ban, I donated $1 to mafia, supporting it, without donors like me you couldn't play.
I donated $20 and think you should stay banned. I think my 20 outdoes your 1.

[Thedude69]

Nah, I'm simply more important then you, just by being Archangel I don't deserve any bans etc

[vornksr]

Archangel, so far as I know you're the only person in the history of sc2 mafia forums who has warranted a permaban. You got banned by oops, who is ubermod and an awesome motherfucker, with pretty much unanimous agreement from every other mod.

If you're trying to troll us, you're really bad at it.

Maybe you should rethink what you're trying to do here.

[Goonswarm]

Convicious needs to be moved to watch list, he is no longer playing with Archangel and is trying to play legit. The effort alone in my opinion would warrant moving him to watch list a bit early.

I have seen nothing with him at all outside of this.

[Dark.Revenant]

Yeah, his kickvote was supposed to turn to watch list yesterday, but I have finals to take before I can do that.

[Thedude69]

I'm trying to save mafia, the game is currently very bad, without me, mafia is nothing.

[EvilValk]

I'm trying to save mafia, the game is currently very bad, without me, mafia is nothing.

It's doing great without you.

[Thedude69]

I don't think so.. it's been invaded by people like you.. good example of why its very bad atm.

[Apocist]

Archangel is only making his case go for the worst...I believe further evidence would be overkill. Now you just a system that can enforce the rules.

[Guardian]

frankly, i would go for archangel being perma-banned.
reasons(in order of severity):
using multiple accounts, spreading propaganda , reporting without a valid reason(he claims to have done so),troll

there are evidence and witnesses across the forum.

[Guardian]

Technically, if we ban Archangels's account, shouldn't we ban his other accounts too?
or just delete his account.

[Zam]

I'm trying to save mafia, the game is currently very bad, without me, mafia is nothing.

At this point your trolling is just atrocious.

Troll report card - F+

Too obvious
Trying too hard at this point


See me after class.

[NorthStar]

-vote ArchAngel

He shall be lynched!

[Archangel69]

Northstar you've harassed me on several occasions and I've been very offended, please stop.

[EvilValk]

Northstar you've harassed me on several occasions and I've been very offended, please stop.

Pathetic...seriously.

[Raptorblaze]

Northstar you've harassed me on several occasions and I've been very offended, please stop.
Disliking someone is not harassment. Harassment would require him to go beyond these forums in an effort to torture you. He doesn't like you (I think he doesn't anyway, I should try to avoid stating the opinions of others) and frankly neither do a lot of other people. You kinda brought this on yourself dude there's nothing else I can say on the matter, and if you honestly want a second chance you're going about it entirely wrong.

[Archangel69]

How would you go about wanting a second chance then?

[Guardian]

How would you go about wanting a second chance then?

1) try not to annoy everyone

2) don't troll like an insane maniac/jester

3) be nice.

4) try not to insult everyone

[Raptorblaze]

5) Stop posting on forum and send the mods/DR a nice sincere apology, and ask for a second chance. Like I said in one of the other threads, any appeal on the matter should really be between you and DR (and possibly the mods that banned you in the first place)

[Archangel69]

I'm playing legit games now in an attempt to get rid of my bad reputation, if I pm the mods I'll probably get infraction points or something, I see the fun in just playing legit mafia, I don't want to cheat/gamethrow anymore.

[DecoyFlame]

A criminal got to go through his punishment before he can move on.

[Ubernox]

I had a bad reputation once.... then I took an arrow to the knee.

[Rocshi]

basically:

if you stop talking for 2 weeks

then play mafia the way it was meant to be played

simple really.

[DecoyFlame]

if you stop talking for 2 weeks




Or some months.

[Raptorblaze]

I'm playing legit games now in an attempt to get rid of my bad reputation, if I pm the mods I'll probably get infraction points or something, I see the fun in just playing legit mafia, I don't want to cheat/gamethrow anymore.
Wait until your watchlist drops off then (they only last for a certain amount of time) and then send a pm appealing the forum ban to DR. You are only banned from the forums, presumably because of your behavior here. If you calm down, stop accusing fracking everyone who doesn't like you of harassment, and just wait out the watchlist I don't see any problem with allowing you back here (not that I have any say in the matter)

[Goremancer]

I had a bad reputation once.... then I took an arrow to the knee.




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[Ice52berg]

At this point I would highly recommend to stop feeding the troll. If you ignore it, it will probably go away.

[RMcD94]

1-S2-1-2585177 - Archangel

Archangel will die on night one.

Role: Doctor

Some lovely gamethrowing. Claiming sheriff and lynching randomly.

[Archangel69]

Trolling = gamethrowing? Last I heard trolling wasn't punishable, sometimes it's neccesary to claim a role when you aren't it, since red is ALWAYS mafia.

[Raptorblaze]

Trolling = gamethrowing? Last I heard trolling wasn't punishable, sometimes it's neccesary to claim a role when you aren't it, since red is ALWAYS mafia.
And donors are always the SK

[Lysergic]

1-S2-1-2585177 - Archangel

Archangel will die on night one.

Role: Doctor

Some lovely gamethrowing. Claiming sheriff and lynching randomly.

More like trolling or griefing than game throwing. He only got 1 person lynched before a vig shot him, and he still healed at night.

[Guardian]

Stop feeding trolls.
Strave them out and they -will- leave.Eventually.

[NorthStar]

Stop feeding trolls.
Strave them out and they -will- leave.Eventually.
You're a month and a half late, gtfo.

[Ash]

Arch doesn't troll hardcore anymore, random claiming isn't gamethrowing from my experiences.

[Archangel69]

Nice sig, Ash. Archangel approves of it.

[Return of the Archangel]

THIS THREAD BRINGS BACK MEMORIES.

[Ash]

ARCH IS ON KICK VOTE LIST HOORAY.

[Return of the Archangel]

WE DID IT PEOPLE, IM BACK TO KV-LIST WOOOOOOO

[Return of the Archangel]

CAN ANYONE FIND HOW MANY ARCHANGEL SMURFS WERE BANNED ON THIS THREAD? BE THE FIRST ONE TO FIGURE IT OUT AND RECIEVE A SPECIAL PRIZE!

[creedkingsx]

Wanna prove a point to Trollzor? I am actually happy to hav you back to combat this Trollzor, he is annoying as fuck

[Raptorblaze]

Wanna prove a point to Trollzor? I am actually happy to hav you back to combat this Trollzor, he is annoying as fuck

This

[Ash]

Archangel needs to get unbanned or he can't combat Trollzor at full strength.

[Return of the Archangel]

This is 99.69% true. ^

[BURNTESKIMO]

i dont think if u are rly a troll if u claim urself as a troll. most of the people here are just asshats.....not trolls.

[Return of the Archangel]

lolol

[Return of the Archangel]

asdf

[cygx]

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[DramaLlama]

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[Owenz]

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