lolicons/lolita

[Hypersniper]

your opinions on lolicon and lolita

i personally think it should e legal since its only drawings and animation plus its not real life and people all over the US and UK fantasize all the time and there's a difference between thinking and doing same, with watching and doing. It does not harm anyone and for anyone against loli maid cafes and the such well you still have to be legal working age and the people who sign up know what there doing.

[Klingoncelt]

Guys that porn over a cartoon are weirdos.

[Firebringer]

People who judge peoples preferences should mine their own business. As long as your fetish doesn't hurt me or someone else, I don't care.

My stance on a lot of things actually.

[Slaol]

People who judge peoples preferences should mine their own business. As long as your fetish doesn't hurt me or someone else, I don't care.

My stance on a lot of things actually.

You are correct.


Guys that porn over a cartoon are weirdos.

But that doesn't matter, being weird doesnt harm anyone.

The world is more and more approaching a state in which being unformfortable with something is worse than actually being harmed. Its fucking terrible and as a planet we should be ashamed of ourselves.

[Cryptonic]

I think it's harmful because it sexualizes children. That's not a thing that should be done.

[BananaCucho]

I'm with Cryptonic on this 100%. This is not even close to the same as other fetishes.

[Slaol]

I think it's harmful because it sexualizes children. That's not a thing that should be done.

Frankly i had just woken up and decided to respond. The last bit was my primary thought, but i actually have no idea what the topic is xD

[BananaCucho]

Frankly i had just woken up and decided to respond. The last bit was my primary thought, but i actually have no idea what the topic is xD

Child pornography in cartoon form.

[Slaol]

Child pornography in cartoon form.

See I'm torn. Child pornography is clearly not acceptable, but if it's not actually utilizing real children then it's not as bad as full kid porn. Like sex trafficking vs. prostitution where one is kind of not cool, but the other is heavily unacceptable

[Cryptonic]

I just don't think people should promote that type of thinking. Women get treated badly enough, should we really drive that age down to include female children as well?
A psychologist would see someone who enjoys them sexually and/or creates the art as having many red flags.

[Firebringer]

There is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. For example, I fantasize about killing everyone everyday. Should I be flagged for this?

[Cryptonic]

There is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. For example, I fantasize about killing everyone everyday. Should I be flagged for this?

If you're watching or creating violent media purely for sexual enjoyment, then yes, that's also a red flag.

Violent thoughts are natural, but receiving pleasure from them is where the problem arises.

[NoctiZ]

There is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. For example, I fantasize about killing everyone everyday. Should I be flagged for this?

No, but you can't deny that this wouldn't be a normal behaviour. I'd refer to Cryptonic's post here.

I'm seeing the drawings as outlets for people who have these urges and I can see a "therapeutical" use for it in the sense that it might prevent them from looking at real child pornography or even worse approaching children in real life with the intent to molest or even rape them. Although this is how I wish for it to work, I have no clue if it would or could have that effect on them.

[Firebringer]

If you're watching or creating violent media purely for sexual enjoyment, then yes, that's also a red flag.

Violent thoughts are natural, but receiving pleasure from them is where the problem arises. Is Auto-erotic asphyxiation okay?

[Cryptonic]

Is Auto-erotic asphyxiation okay?

Yes, I do not understand what point you're trying to make.

[RLVG]

Potraying underages in any contex of sexualized, sexual, teasing or naked should be outright banned in my opinion, regardless of the art-form, and the producer of such media should be punished.
Having such media, may it be pictures or animation, promotes the bad kind of thoughts and action and might make them more inclined towards the real deal.

Drawing underaged normally though should be acceptable in any art-form, as long as it's none of the above.
If you argue about the normal thing, I guess drawing cat pictures is beastiality and trees is dendrophilia. Heck, a sun is going to be metagalactic.

This is a pretty YMMV thing.

[Brendan]

My stance: who cares

[Firebringer]

My stance: who caresBecause If I can't have my fantasy about killing people. You can't have your rape fantasy! Or your fantasy about your neighbor because infidelity is a sin! Possibly crime in some parts of world!

[Helz]

Having that sort of thing around dosn't hurt a person but it does harm society by taking something that is a strong taboo and makes it slightly more of a norm. Sexually objectifying children is wrong to me. But so is glorifying Kim Kardashian or Snookie. Them girls stank

[Cryptonic]

Because If I can't have my fantasy about killing people. You can't have your rape fantasy! Or your fantasy about your neighbor because infidelity is a sin! Possibly crime in some parts of world!

There is a difference between fantasizing and creating/watching material that promotes the fantasy.

Rape fantasy = can be acted out by two consenting adults. Lolita can NEVER be acted out because a child can never consent.

Idk why you're going on about sins. No one is talking about the bible, ect..

[Cryptonic]

Having that sort of thing around dosn't hurt a person but it does harm society by taking something that is a strong taboo and makes it slightly more of a norm. Sexually objectifying children is wrong to me. But so is glorifying Kim Kardashian or Snookie. Them girls stank

This so much. Normalizing it is a horrible thing, and it should not be promoted in any way, shape or form because it is harmful to children if it ends up ever happening to them. Watch Intervention, literally 99% percent of those girls were molested as children. It robs a child childhood and possibly their future. It's not fair to say it's OK to promote material that says this is a normal thing to get aroused over.

Also, yes. I hate those media bitches, too. They already are destroying the teen female population. Don't get me started on them.

[NoctiZ]

Making something a norm in society and legalizing something are two different things. There are many countries where the sexualization of children in drawings are allowed but it's far from acceptable or the norm. It even has the opposite effect where people known to look at such things will be made social outcasts if they weren't before.

My stance is that it ain't normal to derive pleasure from drawn sexualized children, but it shouldn't be forbidden.

[BananaCucho]

My stance: who cares

Being a parent, I do care.

If someone is fantasizing about having sex with my kid and is engaged in the activities mentioned above, how long before their lust drives them to do more than view these cartoons online? I dont think that when men view porn that it somehow satisfies their lust for sex, but rather it drives them to desire it more.

[Brendan]

Child pornography harms children. There's not a victim with Lolis.

[Brendan]

Being a parent, I do care.

If someone is fantasizing about having sex with my kid and is engaged in the activities mentioned above, how long before their lust drives them to do more than view these cartoons online? I dont think that when men view porn that it somehow satisfies their lust for sex, but rather it drives them to desire it more.Where's the connection with lolis? You instantly jumped to your kid.

[Brendan]

From my experience, people who are into lolis have no desire for real children. In Japan the legal age of consent is 13 as well which is the country said culture emerged from.

[Helz]

From my experience, people who are into lolis have no desire for real children. In Japan the legal age of consent is 13 as well which is the country said culture emerged from.

I wonder if pedophiles in japan are all "Bro, She looked 13 to me... Those damn 11 year olds and their makeup"

[Bunny]

I think it's sick to promote and sexuaalize children. When I was a young girl I felt I had to appear older and be into sexual stuff thst I wasn't because that's what guys expect from girls. LET THEM BE LITTLE! Honestly what is wrong with people to be into that.

[Bunny]

I just think it shouldn't be in people's minds. Like you shouldn't shut down your computer at working looking forward to going home and looking at that sort of thing. Once you have a kid life is totally different. Everyone becomes a predator and this type of behaviour sickens parents.

[Hypersniper]

hey just to saY I AINT INTO THIS SHIT BUT I DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL

[Brendan]

We shouldn't be creating victimless crimes. Lolis aren't sexualizing children, they're sexualizing animation. That's the way I see it. Obviously if you have a child your opinion on this topic is extremely skewed lol.

[Nick]

Because of the math whiz?

Animes of child sexualization and porn are grey areas.
Pros: No kids are harmed during production
Cons: May promote child abuse
Others: Hentais on rape, guro, bestiality are not banned

Where does the slippery slope starts?

[Slaol]

I definitely don't think it is a healthy thing, and anyone into should get help, but making things illegal mostly serves to isolate and alienate those people in a way that they really become an issue.

So I don't think it should be illegal but it's fucking terrible.

[Lazers]

oh no not the 2D children

think of the pixels

one more guy wanking to sultry loli doujins on exhentai is one less guy fiddling actual kids

[Apocist]

This is a topic apo really wants to avoid for many reasons.... however:

Making the subject illegal may not be so very -just- unless you also make many other art forms that would be consider illegal in real life as well. Some examples would be murder,crimes, drugs, ects. This destroys the ability to make many movies, games, and books and hinders cultural freedom and free speech. Art really is a form of free speech and limiting that art would take away the means of portraying many messages.

~Whee

[suicidaln00b]

hey just to saY I AINT INTO THIS SHIT BUT I DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL

guys, checK out this lolicon desperately trying to save face

dirty pedo, I've already reported you and all the other child rapists in this thread to the FBI, there is no salvation for your kind fool

hope u dont drop the soap while tyrone's around kiddo LMAO

post script - F U for making this thread sickko

[Hypersniper]

Noob-it is not a desperate save since I would start overly explaining why im bit and etc
Plus the FBI that u have defo contacted dosent operate across the great lake
Oh and excuse me for sparking a disscussion on a controversial topic since the communist country u cone from dont have free speech then maybe u.should calm your tits

Lol

[Helz]

guys, checK out this lolicon desperately trying to save face

dirty pedo, I've already reported you and all the other child rapists in this thread to the FBI, there is no salvation for your kind fool

hope u dont drop the soap while tyrone's around kiddo LMAO

post script - F U for making this thread sickko

I disagree. He had the balls to suggest that there is a line between what we all hate and what should be allowed legally. We all just jumped to that "Fuck pedo people" train except for probably fire.

And just because its unpopular here would be a counter-argument.

This should be legal simply because of freedom. Saying this would encourage degenerative behavior is right on par with the argument that Grad Thieft Auto should be banned because it encourages people to go on a rampage.

Now is it a progressive habit that encourages inappropriate behavior? I have no idea. It could be. The reason they call most substance abuse a disease as opposed to a shitty life choice is because the prefrontal cortex looses so-called synaptic plasticity. Its that the decision making process is bypassed by the VTA-NAc network creating decisions without thought because of a strengthened reward pathway. That is to say that when people do shitty things that feel good it becomes a habit that can very literally bypass their ability to control it. Plenty of sources would suggest this same pattern is created by other deviant behavior (Exactly in line with what we are talking about) If that is the case it should be illegal in the same sense that crack is illegal. If not and if this is not a situation that could be proven to have that connection then it should be leagal.

Either way lets not cut to character assassination here and put really fucked up words in a fellow members mouth.

[Firebringer]

Serious note: (since I was trolling with my last few comments here)
I don't think people should be punished for a crime they may never commit. No, I don't think this should be illegal because it "promotes the activity" that is equivalent to what Helz says about video games.

We can't control our thoughts, if someone has some fetish for this. Let them have some outlet for it. Would you rather they go out and abuse a child instead?

Not saying its either allow or it or someone gets hurt but I just don't think it becomes one of those "Omg look at this picture. Man this makes me wanna actually do imitate this, I am going to go commit this crime now". IMO if you were going to rape a child, you were probably going to do it without ever seeing a drawing of one.

Also theres plenty of non offending pedophiles who haven't committed a crime. Its kind of disgusting how much we condemn them all when we should condemn those who actually rape and molest children.

[Damus_Graves]

Serious note: (since I was trolling with my last few comments here)
I don't think people should be punished for a crime they may never commit. No, I don't think this should be illegal because it "promotes the activity" that is equivalent to what Helz says about video games.

We can't control our thoughts, if someone has some fetish for this. Let them have some outlet for it. Would you rather they go out and abuse a child instead?

Not saying its either allow or it or someone gets hurt but I just don't think it becomes one of those "Omg look at this picture. Man this makes me wanna actually do imitate this, I am going to go commit this crime now". IMO if you were going to rape a child, you were probably going to do it without ever seeing a drawing of one.

Also theres plenty of non offending pedophiles who haven't committed a crime. Its kind of disgusting how much we condemn them all when we should condemn those who actually rape and molest children.

A friend of mine is a little slow and finds solace in video games. The type that he plays are very violent and involve guns, knives, and other weapons and depict gore, decapitation, and other bodily harm. He has been playing these games for years and almost religiously refusing to do anything else. It is a giant pain in the behind to get him to do anything other than play those games.
Whenever he gets into a mood, he gets violent. The last fight we had he threatened to commit suicide and then later set his entire wardrobe on fire.

I firmly believe that if he did not play those games he would have a different reaction to his anger, better or worse.

[Brendan]

A friend of mine is a little slow and finds solace in video games. The type that he plays are very violent and involve guns, knives, and other weapons and depict gore, decapitation, and other bodily harm. He has been playing these games for years and almost religiously refusing to do anything else. It is a giant pain in the behind to get him to do anything other than play those games.
Whenever he gets into a mood, he gets violent. The last fight we had he threatened to commit suicide and then later set his entire wardrobe on fire.

I firmly believe that if he did not play those games he would have a different reaction to his anger, better or worse.

lol. also lol at people taking n00b seriously

[powerofdeath]

Is this legal in the usa?

All I know from google that this is still legal and popular in Japan. They actually recently banned real child porngraphy in June 2014, which is actualy extremely recent. Wtf is wrong with Japan.

[Cryptonic]

Is this legal in the usa?

All I know from google that this is still legal and popular in Japan. They actually recently banned real child porngraphy in June 2014, which is actualy extremely recent. Wtf is wrong with Japan.

Yea, it's not accepted in Japan the way you think. Sure, it's more common, because it's made there... But no one would dare publically admit to it. It's a very shameful thing to be into.

[NoctiZ]

Yea, it's not accepted in Japan the way you think. Sure, it's more common, because it's made there... But no one would dare publically admit to it. It's a very shameful thing to be into.

And that's no different than how it'd be in America, Canada, Germany, wherever. Maybe even more shameful and, depending on the country, even illegal.

[Cryptonic]

And that's no different than how it'd be in America, Canada, Germany, wherever. Maybe even more shameful and, depending on the country, even illegal.

Yes, exactly. I was just pointing out cause people seem to have misconceptions about Japan. Just because something is legal there, doesn't mean that it's accepted lol. They are a lot more judgmental.
People think everyone watches Anime & reads Manga in Japan, but even that isn't widely acceptable for adults lol

[powerofdeath]

Back in 2013, it was actually possible to watch child pornography in Japan.

[Apocist]

it's illegal to even sell uncensored porn in japan at all since 1907.

No 'obscene objects' are allowed.

[Lazers]

it's illegal to even sell uncensored porn in japan at all since 1907.

No 'obscene objects' are allowed.

worst fucking law I swear to god

[Klingoncelt]

I think it's harmful because it sexualizes children. That's not a thing that should be done.

Exactly.

[ArchangelEZ]

Loli is master race, anyone who hates on loli is a fucking normalfag who needs to leave the sub-forum. You shouldn't be allowed to post here if you hate on loli. Loli should be legal everywhere in the first place, it harms nobody.

Since it's legal in the motherland, Japan, it should be legal everywhere. Everybody in the world should respect Japan for its greatness. Glorious Japan art should be accepted everywhere. Loli also makes the best hentai ever, It is truly the greatest.
Everybody likes loli but are too scared to admit it because of their normalfag ideals. Liking loli does not mean you are a pedophile.. if you think that you are fucking autistic. Loli does not = child porn. I am a big fan of loli and am not sexually attracted to children. Loli is only for true geniuses such as myself, everybody who hates on loli usually isn't very smart. Now please, if you hate on loli, do not post on this sub-forum, thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

Any non-kid that focuses on kids has serious social assimilation issues.

Trip on cartoon characters that are your own age.

[Lazers]

Any non-kid that focuses on kids has serious social assimilation issues.

Trip on cartoon characters that are your own age.

are you implying that the only issue with kiddy fucking is that it's socially unacceptable

I've caught you, you dirty fucking pedo

the FBI are coming to your house as we speak

[Nick]

socially unacceptable
That is the one and only reason why it is a crime...

[Slaol]

That is the one and only reason why it is a crime...

I mean, isn't that roughly why anything is a crime? I mean if no one ever thought it was wrong to rape and murder people, wouldn't it be cool to rape and murder?

[Lazers]

That is the one and only reason why it is a crime...

you're saying it doesn't fuck up the kid? the only reason to not fiddle little girls is because you look bad?

jesus christ

things aren't always crimes because people don't like them, but rather because doing them fucks shit up

I guess you could consider the war on drugs an example (though there's probably a better one)


I mean, isn't that roughly why anything is a crime? I mean if no one ever thought it was wrong to rape and murder people, wouldn't it be cool to rape and murder?

yeah but it's wrong for a reason

I'm sure in the edgy universe you're imagining everything is awful, humanity would be wiped out even though everyone would love doing it

[fred]

As my first action as moderator of the anime forums, i hereby sticky this thread!

[Firebringer]

As my first action as moderator of the anime forums, i hereby sticky this thread!

What a troll.

[fred]

We need more threads that garner discussion like this thread, therefore it demands attention. It belongs in a sticky.

[Apocist]

I mean, isn't that roughly why anything is a crime? I mean if no one ever thought it was wrong to rape and murder people, wouldn't it be cool to rape and murder?

Laws are in place not exactly because what they profit are actually 'bad' in all cases. Laws can be made for the 'common ethics'. Just because everyone feels a certain action is social unacceptable doesn't make it wrong. It's also about culture and the ties to the 'norm'.

Everything in this topic is just perspective, as all culture is.

Social Ethics just suck.

[Nick]

fucks shit up
unacceptable as in the society feels that it cannot afford the consequences, real or imagined.

[Lazers]

unacceptable as in the society feels that it cannot afford the consequences, real or imagined.

this logic only works because the pedophiles are in the minority in western countries

some cultures are fine with it, it's not illegal there

so would it be okay to do simply because you would not be frowned upon?

[Slaol]

Laws are in place not exactly because what they profit are actually 'bad' in all cases. Laws can be made for the 'common ethics'. Just because everyone feels a certain action is social unacceptable doesn't make it wrong. It's also about culture and the ties to the 'norm'.

Everything in this topic is just perspective, as all culture is.

Social Ethics just suck.

I did say 'roughly'.

[Nick]

this logic only works because the pedophiles are in the minority in western countries

some cultures are fine with it, it's not illegal there

so would it be okay to do simply because you would not be frowned upon?
What do you mean by okay? Which point of reference? Morals are relative after all.

By the way, are we on the same page? Are you asking me for my opinion on pedophilia, or morality?

If you are asking for my opinion on pedophilia, I think child rapists and distributors of child abuse media should be punished with DEATH.

[Lazers]

What do you mean by okay? Which point of reference? Morals are relative after all.

By the way, are we on the same page? Are you asking me for my opinion on pedophilia, or morality?

If you are asking for my opinion on pedophilia, I think child rapists and distributors of child abuse media should be punished with DEATH.

morals are relative but the impact is not

also whoa there death m8

[ArchangelEZ]

Why are people talking about child abuse in a loli thread? Completely unrelated lol. Sorry but loli and child porn are two different things, you can't put them in the same category lol.
The people who compare the two aren't very intelligent. They should also probably leave this sub-forum, so maybe it is half-decent hopefully. Just saddens me to see such unintelligent people hate on loli.
Nobody cares if it is socially acceptable, you're posting in the anime sub-forum in the first place.. why do you care if something is socially acceptable LOL.. Fucking normalfags please leave.

[Klingoncelt]

are you implying that the only issue with kiddy fucking is that it's socially unacceptable

I've caught you, you dirty fucking pedo

the FBI are coming to your house as we speak

Tuomas, is that you???


And no, it's not a matter of socially unacceptable, it's a matter of an adult porning on a child incapable of making adult decisions regarding relationships. Doesn't matter if you're lolita-ing or NAMBLA, you're fucked in the head.

The reason adults do this shit is because they don't have the balls to deal with other adults. Better to torment some little kids instead, right?

[Klingoncelt]

As my first action as moderator of the anime forums, i hereby sticky this thread!

why?

You should do something more profound and epic.

Like a Brony thread.

[Muv-Luv]

fuck normalfags