Bush V. Clinton (now with a poll!)

[Frog]

Most likely front runners for the upcoming election.

I'm not interested in party politics, I'm interested in their credentials and track records. They're both very intelligent more than capable free world leaders. Any dirt on them regarding voting behavior or programs?

[Brendan]

Rand Paul you retard

[Frog]

Rand Paul's credentials...
2 term senator with guaranteed 20% national opposition... Lol. I guess the good news is THAT 20% undervotes. I can see it now:
"That Anglo tried cutting housing and education! I'm so mad I'm not going to vote!"

His plan to cut department of defense spending is kind of funny considering he also wants to simultaneously lump in the department of energy. I'm not going to touch his plan to remove the Fed Reserve. I'll just sit back and lol.

So again... Rand Paul 2 term Senator with a history of shitting on every committee he was a part of...

Why does it seem like he's just in it for increased exposure and tax free campaign funding?

Much Lols.

[Frog]

Christie would get crucified before the primaries. He's got a vindictive political culture that will not sit well and I don't think it would benefit the nation either. But what about Cory Booker? Great candidate, maybe not for this election though.

[Brendan]

Rand Paul 2016. He is the closest to libertarian the white house will ever see.
Jeb Bush's credentials: "Bush"
Hillary Clinton's credentials: "Clinton"
Rand Paul's credentials: "Paul"

[Frog]

Jeb Bush's credentials: BA on full scholarship in 2.5 years, governor of Florida (key state) for 8 years, rallied both sides of the aisle for a successful and popular governorship, entire life in politics.

Hillary Clinton's credentials: Yale Law School graduate with a Juris Doctor degree. New York (key state) Senator for 8 years, platform for universal health care based on her work as first lady, Secretary of State for 4 years, entire life in politics.

Rand Paul's credentials: Eye Doctor, former Kentucky (flyover state) Senator, noob

Tip to people who know shit about economics, we don't need isolationist economic libertarians when it comes to recessions. Keynesian economics from the Obama platform and the Federal Reserve saved our asses. If you don't believe me or are stuck in American news outlets, just check the quick notes from the World Economic Forum in Davos a couple months ago... the rest of the world is fucked, USA is fine.

[Brendan]

Ron Paul 2016

[Frog]

Scott Walker: Governor of Wisconsin, polls well amongst republicans. Wanted to break the unions in Wisconsin. Failed miserably and gained widespread national attention as a dumbass. Polls well amongst Republicans, but horribly with Democrats or Independents.

Marco Rubio: New face, Florida Senator, Jeb Bush was his mentor, more conservative than Scott Walker (which should say something), polls well with Rebpulicans and Independents.

[Brendan]

Scott Walker: Governor of Wisconsin, polls well amongst republicans. Wanted to break the unions in Wisconsin. Failed miserably and gained widespread national attention as a dumbass. Polls well amongst Republicans, but horribly with Democrats or Independents.

Marco Rubio: New face, Florida Senator, Jeb Bush was his mentor, more conservative than Scott Walker (which should say something), polls well with Rebpulicans and Independents.

Ron Paul 2016.

[BananaCucho]

Ron Paul 2016.

I'm really confused by this point on if you are supporting Ron or Rand

[thedougler]

Most likely front runners for the upcoming election.

I'm not interested in party politics, I'm interested in their credentials and track records. They're both very intelligent more than capable free world leaders. Any dirt on them regarding voting behavior or programs?

Shillary is a cackling witch with skeletons in her closet beyond count, and Jeb Bush makes his brother look intelligent. More importantly, however, they're both career politicians. They will do and say whatever is needed to get elected, but the amount of muck they must wade through and money they accept on the way there will hamstring them completely. If you're not voting independent, Constitution, or Libertarian already, then you're pretty much a lost cause.

If you insist on voting for either of the Corporate and Media Approved Candidates™, I guess just vote for Shillary. She at least doesn't beat around the bush about being a socialistic demagogue. Plus she isn't a complete sellout on immigration, like señor Jeb and his Gang of Eight amnesty bill.

[AppleyNO]

I'm not even voting age yet, and it appears American democracy doesn't work very well. Everyone wants to have a different choice than Coke or Pepsi, but a third candidate would just split one of the parties. Therefore, voters will act strategically in order to get the person they like more (or dislike less) into office.

The only way to get better choices? We need to radically change our voting system. Good luck with that.

[Orpz]

im old enough to vote now, fuck yeah

[Coast]

It's honestly going to be a close race, but I guarantee it ends up being between Frank Underwood and Heather Dunbar.

President Underwood definitely has the experience, but he's made some controversial decisions in the past. I know he won't get the votes from the 60+ voting group because of his "AmWorks package" which essentially would have eliminated social security. Senior Citizens don't want to take the chance with a canditate that could possibly remove their benefits. His popularity really only comes from the 20-45 age working class age group. They want to support a president that promises them jobs. President Underwood basically ruined Raymond Tusk and Xander Feng's life, so he's not going to receive any support from the wealthier voting demographic either.

On the other hand we have the respected lawyer Heather Dunbar. She's served as a special prosecutor for Ex-President Walker's administration, and also as the former United States Solicitor General. Her family is quite wealthy (Best known for their company of Armored Cars), so she has that to her advantage. Her argument against President Underwood and Jackie Sharp definitely didn't help her popularity. Ms. Sharp pointed out that Ms. Dunbar couldn't relate to the working class since she comes from such a wealthy family. Her main supporters will come from the wealthy demographic. Her popularity polls dramatically dropped after Ms. Sharp pointed out that she sends her child to a private school rather than public education. She will also be the first female president so that can either be an advantage or a disadvantage.

I honestly have no idea who's going to win, but it's going to be a seriously close race.

[Orpz]

my nigga, you need to finish season 3

[Frog]

LMFAO Coast!!!

@Appley - The other political systems I've seen allow for insane amounts of parties but require a coalition and agreement on separation of powers in order for the new government to be approved. The result of these coalitions is that in order to check each party represented in the coalition, no party gets assigned to the committee that their platform is based on. In essence, you get a defunct federal government. And if no coalition agreement is found, no government is formed. Belgium went without a federal government for years recently because of this... I think the polarization of the parties and the representation of corporates is powerful in this way as the government can actually take action. Countries where corporations have no power (South Africa) are uber fucked by the plebs making decisions they don't understand, allowing rampant corruption, willingly and/or unknowingly.

I'll take American politics any day.

[Brendan]

I'm really confused by this point on if you are supporting Ron or Rand

Same thing

The solution is a direct popular vote. The electoral college will never allow for change. Everything is already too solidified Republican or Democrat.

[Bruno]

no conservatives thanks


no more bullshit church and state mingling

[Ash]

anyone that votes for Bush is a confirmed autistic retard

we've had enough with 2 autistic Bushes why do we need a third autist to run for president that will most likely fuck our economy again?

[BananaCucho]

anyone that votes for Bush is a confirmed autistic retard

we've had enough with 2 autistic Bushes why do we need a third autist to run for president that will most likely fuck our economy again?

This. While none of the candidates from either party will represent american citizens and will all work for their corporate interests instead, the fact that a third Bush is even being considered is pathetic.

[thedougler]

This. While none of the candidates from either party will represent american citizens and will all work for their corporate interests instead, the fact that a third Bush is even being considered is pathetic.

While I agree it is unseemly that might have another Bush vs. Clinton election (like way back in 1992), American meritocracy doesn't inherently preclude the formation of political dynasties (FDR and Theodore Roosevelt were both arguably capable presidents, despite being cousins). When there are so many people qualified for a job, sometimes having that "brand recognition" can be the only thing setting you apart from the herd. That said, a solid majority of voters are complete idiots who will vote either on single issues or because they are familiar with the candidate. When the rate of incumbent re-election is that high, it's pretty obvious that money is what gets votes, not the platform. If people could just research candidates independently on the internet instead of believing every attack ad they see then this wouldn't be an issue.

[Cryptonic]

i cannot vote, i'm an illegal mexican immigrant

[Frog]

i cannot vote, i'm an illegal mexican immigrant

You don't pay US taxes either :-P

I would be in favor of both thread candidates.

Seriously, Jeb isn't your traditional Bush or Republican.

I'm more interested in hearing their 1st term (2nd term) promises.

Executive orders are fast becoming more powerful. Under Bush we'd see the reinstatement of TPA due to Republican controlled congress. This would be GREAT not only for the US but for the world.

TPA is essentially a fast track authority granted to the president when negotiating international affairs with foreign powers. The President can directly negotiate treaties leaving a pure approval vote to Congress without changes to the treaty. Under the current administration (since 2008) the President negotiated deals that collapsed in Congress due to too many edits. It makes America weaker not being able to grant ... Afk at party:
http://hauteliving.com/2015/04/1950s-nyc-arrives-in-dubai-with-capital-clubs-7-year-itch-party/563225/

[Cryptonic]

You don't pay US taxes either :-P

I would be in favor of both thread candidates.

Seriously, Jeb isn't your traditional Bush or Republican.

I'm more interested in hearing their 1st term (2nd term) promises.

Executive orders are fast becoming more powerful. Under Bush we'd see the reinstatement of TPA due to Republican controlled congress. This would be GREAT not only for the US but for the world.

TPA is essentially a fast track authority granted to the president when negotiating international affairs with foreign powers. The President can directly negotiate treaties leaving a pure approval vote to Congress without changes to the treaty. Under the current administration (since 2008) the President negotiated deals that collapsed in Congress due to too many edits. It makes America weaker not being able to grant ... Afk at party:
http://hauteliving.com/2015/04/1950s-nyc-arrives-in-dubai-with-capital-clubs-7-year-itch-party/563225/

just because I don't pay taxes, doesn't mean that I shouldn't have a say in how all your money is spent on me and my hombres.

[Ash]

You don't pay US taxes either :-P

I would be in favor of both thread candidates.

Seriously, Jeb isn't your traditional Bush or Republican.

I'm more interested in hearing their 1st term (2nd term) promises.

Executive orders are fast becoming more powerful. Under Bush we'd see the reinstatement of TPA due to Republican controlled congress. This would be GREAT not only for the US but for the world.

TPA is essentially a fast track authority granted to the president when negotiating international affairs with foreign powers. The President can directly negotiate treaties leaving a pure approval vote to Congress without changes to the treaty. Under the current administration (since 2008) the President negotiated deals that collapsed in Congress due to too many edits. It makes America weaker not being able to grant ... Afk at party:
http://hauteliving.com/2015/04/1950s-nyc-arrives-in-dubai-with-capital-clubs-7-year-itch-party/563225/
not sure if it's just me but the name Bush sounds pretty traditional and republican to me

get out from this thread you republifags

[Cryptonic]

not sure if it's just me but the name Bush sounds pretty traditional and republican to me

get out from this thread you republifags

Bush sounds conservative because conservative people don't shave their pubes

[SuperJack]

Don't care, no matter who you pick, something always gets fucked up. And you always complain. and thats the way it is.

Pick a Woman though, she can iron things out.

[Cryptonic]

Don't care, no matter who you pick, something always gets fucked up. And you always complain. and thats the way it is.

Pick a Woman though, she can iron things out.

We did that once.
She ended up going on a spending spree and her own party made her step down.

[Frog]

It was a great party... And another one in 3 hours.

[Frog]

Bush sounds conservative because conservative people don't shave their pubes

Don't limit yourself :-)

[Cryptonic]

Don't limit yourself :-)

Who said anything about limiting

[thedougler]

i cannot vote, i'm an illegal mexican immigrant

ICE is on its way. DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT

[Mugy]

I'm not even voting age yet, and it appears American democracy doesn't work very well. Everyone wants to have a different choice than Coke or Pepsi, but a third candidate would just split one of the parties. Therefore, voters will act strategically in order to get the person they like more (or dislike less) into office.

The only way to get better choices? We need to radically change our voting system. Good luck with that.

Basically this, God knows why the electoral college still exists.

[Frog]

Please merge other thread responses INTO this one. :-)

Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton for President.

[Mugy]

Please merge other thread responses INTO this one. :-)

Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton for President.

Si Senior

[Frog]

Si Senior

Thanks! Just curious to take a straw poll. I think we're pretty evenly split on the site.

[thedougler]

Thanks! Just curious to take a straw poll. I think we're pretty evenly split on the site.

Where's Gary "Governor Veto" Johnson on your poll?

[Brendan]

Where's the neither option

[Brendan]

Nvm fixed

[Frog]

Nvm fixed

Change it back please. I'm looking for a macro straw poll, not a 'how do you feel about politics?' This isn't CJ.

[Brendan]

Change it back please. I'm looking for a macro straw poll, not a 'how do you feel about politics?' This isn't CJ.

People that wouldn't have voted before have an option now. I'll change it anyways per request tho.

[Brendan]

Also I didn't add the both part lol

[Cryptonic]

I think Neither is a perfectly legitimate response to this poll. If you don't want to see either of them become potus, you're excluded from the poll lol

[Frog]

Imagine you're back in elementary school and it's a month before election day. Your only options are the candidates on the ballot. This provides an in depth look into how the actual election is actually going to go. That's what I'm interested in. That's what honestly I think everyone will be interested in soon enough, and that will dominate the conversation for months on end. I just want to get a feel for it now. I'm not in the states and I haven't been for years. You guys are spread across the states (world). I'm just looking for a straw poll. When any question involves politics it's easy to hype it and more than likely degenerate into philosophical battles of internet argument endurance. I don't want that, because I think it'd be a meaningless poll.

[Cryptonic]

Imagine you're back in elementary school and it's a month before election day. Your only options are the candidates on the ballot. This provides an in depth look into how the actual election is actually going to go. That's what I'm interested in. That's what honestly I think everyone will be interested in soon enough, and that will dominate the conversation for months on end. I just want to get a feel for it now. I'm not in the states and I haven't been for years. You guys are spread across the states (world). I'm just looking for a straw poll. When any question involves politics it's easy to hype it and more than likely degenerate into philosophical battles of internet argument endurance. I don't want that, because I think it'd be a meaningless poll.

The small sample size of SC2Mafia.com, combined with a community users who have come together because they have similar interest and hobbies and personalities, will likely give an grossly inaccurate portrayal of how the election will play out.
Plus, most USA members aren't even old enough to vote. Just saying, this poll is pretty meaningless regardless. I don't see how an indepth look into how the actual election will go can be assertained from this.

No offense intended, I just don't think you're going to get what you want from this topic lol.

[Ash]

i voted hillary cuz im not an autist

however if i had a third option, i wouldnt vote for either of them, i would vote for waka flocka (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/waka-flocka-flame-for-president-watch-his-exclusive-campaign-video-20150420)

[BananaCucho]

Until there is a viable third option, I refuse to vote in your poll.

[Orpz]

im not intimate with either of their platforms

leaning Bush rn but the future debates will be very impactful on my decision

[Brendan]

Until there is a viable third option, I refuse to vote in your poll.

this I would vote for a third party if I had to chose between these two.

[Mugy]

this I would vote for a third party if I had to chose between these two.


The problem with voting for a third candidate in your voting system is that it's effectively a vote for the party you dislike most and a vote against the party you least dislike. Called the spoiler effect. Strategic voting is a must in the electoral college.

[Bruno]

if u vote conservative please kill yourself

no joke

[Ash]

this thread is filled with autism ffs

must be because its autism awareness month