S-FM: Coffee Shop

[Sinclair]

I've decided I want to host my first FM. I'm 100% sure this will need some criticism so please tell me ANYTHING you find wrong with this set-up. I'm going to start with a fairly basic set-up to make it easy on me.

I'll be adding some more tonight, I don't have too much time right now to write everything out.

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S-FM: Coffee Shop

Description

Everyone is sitting around inside the shop. The coffee machines brewing accompanied by the wonderful smell everybody knows and loves fills your nose, the whispers of lovers sharing a cup of coffee and the hum of the laptops fill your ears as you walk inside. The stores music stops playing, the lights flicker and go out. The coffee machines stop brewing, the lovers stop whispering and the computers stop humming. The doors shut, the blinds crash down with a thunderous boom. That's when you hear it. "Welcome... I hope you are enjoying your cups of coffee because they will be your last. For I am Sinclair, and I have come to put an end to your hipsterisms. I have had enough of your shenanigans. I will make you all fight to the death. Whoever is remaining will be able to escape with only your lives... Good luck..."

Lookout
Sheriff
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Citizen
Godfather
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Executioner

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OoO
1 - Jester annoys/Jester lynch suicide
2 - Escort/Consort blocks
3 - Lookout stalks
4 - Sheriff checks
5 - Investigator/Consigliere investigates
6 - Bodyguard sets up
7 - Mafia kill
8 - Doctor heals
9 - Janitor cleans
10 - Lookout receives feedback

Rules:
1 - No editing posts (1 warning, depending on the severity of the edit)
2 - No invisible ink (1 warning, again depending on the severity of the ink)
3 - No PM's regarding the game. (Immediate mod-kill)
4 - No lurking. Anyone who does not post multiple times during the day will be replaced. (1 or 2 posts just "checking in" does not count towards posting. You must contribute)
5 - No pictures, videos, or outside links whatsoever. (1 warning)
6 - Night actions are to be sent to me 2 hours before the night ends. 22 hours is more than enough to deliberate. (1 warning, 2 infractions results in a replacement)
7 - Lynches will be 50.1% (Majority)
8 - No screenshots or quoting of the role cards.
9 - ALL QUESTIONS WILL be placed in green text. My answers will be placed in gold text.

Mechanics:
1 - Days are 24 hours long, nights are 24 hours long.
2 - Game starts Day 1 with a lynch.
3 - WE WILL NOT BE USING THE VOTE SYSTEM. I will try to keep up with votes, but I may not be able to view the thread 24/7. I do expect players to keep a tally. Once a person goes over the amount of votes needed for a lynch NO OTHER VOTES AFTER THAT WILL COUNT.
4 - Last Wills ARE allowed
5 - Death Notes are NOT allowed.

Investigative Pairings
"Your target is a Escort/Consort."
"Your target is a Bodyguard/Mafioso"
"Your target is a Janitor/Doctor"
"Your target is a Investigator/Consigliere."
"Your target is a Citizen/Godfather/Jester"
"Your target is a Sheriff/Lookout/Executioner"

Win Conditions
Town - Lynch all Mafia!
Mafia - Lynch/Kill all town!
Executioner - Get your target lynched!
Jester - Get lynched!

Night Feedback

All night feedback will have RP in them. They will have the gist of it though.
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Role cards:

Lookout
You may observe one player each night and learn the names of everyone who visited them. You are allowed to target yourself.

Sheriff
You can check a player each night and detect if they are a member of the mafia, neutral, or not suspicious.

Escort
You may choose one player to role block each night. You can be role blocked.

Investigator
You may choose one player to investigate each night. You will receive their investigation pairing.

Bodyguard
Each night you may choose one person to protect. If that person is targeted to be killed, you will take the bullet for the person you protected. If that person is shot twice, both you and the person you chose to protect will die. You will not kill the attacker, but the person who you protected will know if the person who attacked him is town or mafia.

For example: A is targeted by B(mafia). C(bodyguard) protects A. A receives a message "You were protected by a bodyguard! You caught a glimpse at the person who attacked you, he looked (A) shocked he accidentally killed an ally, (B) happy that he killed someone, yet annoyed that he missed his target.

Doctor
Each night you may choose one person to heal. You can heal up to one attack. You will receive feedback whether the heal is successful or not.

Citizen
You have the power to vote. You can sway the course of the game. Whether you believe it or not, you are important.

Godfather
You are the leader of the Mafia. You are immune to detection by sheriffs and lookouts. You will also appear "Not suspicious" to the Investigator. You may be sent to perform the mafia’s kill, or you may choose to send another mafia to perform the kill. But by doing so, the mafia you sent in place of you will NOT perform their night action. You CAN be role blocked.

Mafioso (This role can not be a mafia starting role, it only enters the game if the Godfather is lynched and there is another mafia to take his place)
The Godfather has been lynched and you are now the Mafioso. You may choose one person to kill at night. If you choose not to, you will be hidden from sheriff and investigators.

Consigliere
You may choose one player to investigate each night. You will receive their investigation pairing. The Godfather may send you to perform the night kill, but you will not perform your night action if you are sent in place of the Godfather. If the Godfather is lynched you will become the Mafioso. This role takes presidence over other Mafia roles to become Mafioso.

Consort
You may choose one player to role block each night. The Godfather may send you to perform the night kill, but you will not perform your role block if you are sent in place of the Godfather. If the Godfather is lynched you will become the Mafioso.

Janitor
You may clean the corpse of one player each night and clear their role from being revealed in the graveyard. You receive their role and last will. You only have 1 use. You may be sent by the Godfather to perform the night kill. If you are sent to kill you will NOT perform your night action.

Executioner
Boy... those Hipsters are really annoying. Your job is to get ________ lynched. _______ can be either town or mafia. If your target dies before you are able to get him or her lynched, you will become the Jester.

Jester
You may choose to annoy a player at night (You cannot be roleblocked!). You must be lynched during the day to win. Once you are lynched, one person who voted for you will be so upset you were lynched, he will hang himself in grief that very night.


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Pre-signs will be held for 24 hours. If the pre-signer does not check in, he/she will lose his/her spot.

Pre-signs:
1 - Poriomania
2 - Powerofdeath
3 - Titus

[ika]

I'm 100% sure this will need some criticism so please tell me ANYTHING you find wrong with this set-up.

problem number 1 is this


THIS IS NOT COMPLETE, I HAVE TO GO TO WORK. I WILL BE BACK LATER TO FINISH IT UP.

XD




ok but back to being serious

jester grief is missing from OoO.
can greif be healed?
can jester chose who dies or is it ranodom?
does exe have to live to end and does it get night immune with success?
can bodygard be healed when dies defending target?
doc get attacked feedback?
if target does not die does janitor not vist? (due to OoO order janitort would technacly not vist)
invest/consig pariings?

i know it under constructions and i know some of these will probally be answer as if finsies but it will help

overall its not bad for a first time setup

[Cryptonic]

Roleblocks are on your OoO twice

[Titus]

You have jester annoys in your setup but executioner confirmed in your role list.

[ika]

You have jester annoys in your setup but executioner confirmed in your role list.

executioner becomes jester if target dies

[Poriomania]

/presign please.

[Sinclair]

problem number 1 is this



XD




ok but back to being serious

jester grief is missing from OoO.
can greif be healed?
can jester chose who dies or is it ranodom?
does exe have to live to end and does it get night immune with success?
can bodygard be healed when dies defending target?
doc get attacked feedback?
if target does not die does janitor not vist? (due to OoO order janitort would technacly not vist)
invest/consig pariings?

i know it under constructions and i know some of these will probally be answer as if finsies but it will help

overall its not bad for a first time setup
Ill answer the other questions when I get home but yes it is not complete and still a WIP.


Roleblocks are on your OoO twice

Yeah I was modifying it and forgot to take the second one off. Ill change that once I get home.

[Sinclair]

1 - jester grief is missing from OoO.
2 - can greif be healed?
3 - can jester chose who dies or is it ranodom?
4 - does exe have to live to end and does it get night immune with success?
5 - can bodygard be healed when dies defending target?
6 - doc get attacked feedback?
7 - if target does not die does janitor not vist? (due to OoO order janitort would technacly not vist)
8 - invest/consig pariings?

i know it under constructions and i know some of these will probally be answer as if finsies but it will help

overall its not bad for a first time setup

1 - Yeah, it wasn't complete. I'll add it after this post.

2 - No, it may not.

3 - Random, by random.org

4 - Once the exe target is lynched, he gets a win. He does not have to live to the end and he does not get night immunity (could lead to troll)

5 - Nope. Goes down guns blazing. (unless you think thats not a good idea?)

6 - No. The feedbacks will be up soon but every night the doctors feedback will be either "You have successfully healed ________, go you!" or "You tried your best to heal _______, but he was too injured for you to save." <-- Doctor will get that feedback is target is attacked twice.

7 - No the janitor will not visit and his night action will not be used up.

8 - On the way.

[Titus]

On your multicolored role list, you have an executioner. You may want to change that to true neutral.

[ika]

well with the bodygard, i like it that he cant be healed if defending target so ppl dont make a doc/bg circle. i would have it that if he dies defending it cant be healed, but if bg is attacked directly he can be. its how i like to do setups on the site here with bg

[Sinclair]

On your multicolored role list, you have an executioner. You may want to change that to true neutral.

What do you mean? Cyan isn't the color of a neutral?


well with the bodygard, i like it that he cant be healed if defending target so ppl dont make a doc/bg circle. i would have it that if he dies defending it cant be healed, but if bg is attacked directly he can be. its how i like to do setups on the site here with bg

Oh yeah definitely. If he dies defending his target, he cannot be healed. If he is attacked directly, he can be healed.

Ex:

A - Bodyguard
B - Investigator
C - Doctor
D - Godfather

A protects B, C heals A. D attacks A. C heals A.
A protects B, C heals A. D attacks B. C does not heal A.


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Updated original post, I'll skim over it again.

[Sinclair]

I've changed the title to Coffee Shop. Can someone change the thread title?

Also - I believe my set-up is done. Any more criticisms?

[ika]

invest pairings?

[Sinclair]

invest pairings?

Added in the original post. I couldn't find a reference so I tried my best.

I couldn't find a good RP for them all to fit correctly >_<

Investigative Pairings
"Your target is a Escort/Consort/Janitor."
"Your target is a Bodyguard/Investigator/Consigliere."
"Your target is a Citizen/Executioner/Godfather/Jester"
"Your target is a Sheriff/Lookout/Mafioso"

[ika]

Added in the original post. I couldn't find a reference so I tried my best.

I couldn't find a good RP for them all to fit correctly >_<

Investigative Pairings
"Your target is a Escort/Consort/Janitor."
"Your target is a Bodyguard/Investigator/Consigliere."
"Your target is a Citizen/Executioner/Godfather/Jester"
"Your target is a Sheriff/Lookout/Mafioso"

the pparing in my opinion can be a bit skwed for some of the role i suggest pariing to be like this maybe

"Your target is a Escort/Consort."
"Your target is a Bodyguard/Mafioso"
"Your target is a Janitor/Doctor"
"Your target is a Investigator/Consigliere."
"Your target is a Citizen/Godfather/Jester"
"Your target is a Sheriff/Lookout/Executioner"

i think this paring would work a bit better. it might be some more paring but its only a suggestion, really the only in i really see a problem with overall if you keep origional is Escort/Consort/Janitor

if jan gets invested he cant fake a rb to anyone unless he claims it on dead ppl

[Sinclair]

the pparing in my opinion can be a bit skwed for some of the role i suggest pariing to be like this maybe

"Your target is a Escort/Consort."
"Your target is a Bodyguard/Mafioso"
"Your target is a Janitor/Doctor"
"Your target is a Investigator/Consigliere."
"Your target is a Citizen/Godfather/Jester"
"Your target is a Sheriff/Lookout/Executioner"

i think this paring would work a bit better. it might be some more paring but its only a suggestion, really the only in i really see a problem with overall if you keep origional is Escort/Consort/Janitor

if jan gets invested he cant fake a rb to anyone unless he claims it on dead ppl

Yeah I had no clue about pairings :p I like your list much better. Thanks.

Will update original post.

[Sinclair]

Oh and depending on when (or if) this gets approved it will be starting AFTER the M-FM.

[Sinclair]

Alright I believe I'm finished with the set-up. Everything seems to be fine.

Does anyone have any more questions for me?

[powerofdeath]

/presign
-blacklist executioner
IM SERIOUS

[Sinclair]

/presign
-blacklist executioner
IM SERIOUS

Hehe, can't guarantee anything. ;)

[powerofdeath]

Ill just ask for replacement then

[Sinclair]

Ill just ask for replacement then

Calm down bud, I'll see what happens when I make the role list. I feel for you.

[powerofdeath]

Calm down bud, I'll see what happens when I make the role list. I feel for you.

Lol i know you were just being sarcastic
Didnt mean to offend you or anything, but if youre doing random.org and i randomed exe, then just replace me before game start so no harm will be done (:

[Sinclair]

Nonono I wasn't being sarcastic :p I promise.

[ypmagic]

Does the Godfather decide who goes to kill and PM the host who goes? Or is it just random?

[powerofdeath]

Does the Godfather decide who goes to kill and PM the host who goes? Or is it just random?

What kind of random question is this o.O
Unless i misread the set up

[Titus]

Lookout
Sheriff
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Citizen
Godfather
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Executioner

The executioner needs to be true neutral or something. Sorry for repeating, but I didn't think people understood.

PoD, you can do executioner. It's a highly skilled role but you can handle it. It's one of the harder roles but possible.

[Titus]

/presign

[ypmagic]

What kind of random question is this o.O
Unless i misread the set up

It says the Godfather can kill someone himself or send some other person, I was confused whether or not he chooses someone to go or if its just random.

[Sinclair]

Does the Godfather decide who goes to kill and PM the host who goes? Or is it just random?

The Mafia will decide what they do in their night chat. They will post it there, mafia will not have to PM me for night actions.


The executioner needs to be true neutral or something. Sorry for repeating, but I didn't think people understood.
.

I still don't understand what you mean by "true neutral" how is it not true neutral?

[Titus]

Your list suggests the cyan player must be an executioner and that there can be no jester at start.

[Cryptonic]

Your list suggests the cyan player must be an executioner and that there can be no jester at start.

That's how he meant it to be.
Jester only has a rolecard because the Executioner can become a Jester.

[Sinclair]

Your list suggests the cyan player must be an executioner and that there can be no jester at start.

Right. If the executioner does not complete his goal, he will become jester.


That's how he meant it to be.
Jester only has a rolecard because the Executioner can become a Jester.

Thank you.

[Titus]

Oh ok. You intended that. I'll just run off and hide now.

[Sinclair]

Oh ok. You intended that. I'll just run off and hide now.

Nooo! Don't hide! I still need you in my game! :p

[Titus]

Nooo! Don't hide! I still need you in my game! :p

Wow. You found my hiding place so quick. xD

[Sinclair]

Depending on the approval schedule of this, it will now start after the M-FM and if it's that late, after FM-XIX.

[powerofdeath]

You could do it during MFM or FM 19

[Sinclair]

You could do it during MFM or FM 19

Well I don't want to have a game going on with other people in either MFM or FM19. I will be in both (hopefully) and I'd rather not juggle both. Having an S-FM up during an MFM or FM is not a great idea IMO.

[deathworlds]

/presign

[Sinclair]

This is getting up there on the queue, so before it's reviewed/accepted, any more questions from the peanut gallery?

[ika]

You can heal up to one attack.

the only attack that can happen are from mafia gf.

i also notcies that this game can be very skewed with confirmed lookout. all games about 99% of the time have a doc. if you plan on putting in doc i might consider making lookout a true hidden possiblity or make it unehealable

lookout and doc confirm each other after gf lynched/killed, this makes it nearly impossible for the mafia to kill one or the ohter due to the circle they make, i would consider replacing lookout with doc, i have seen games where mafia gets screwed over things like that.

[Sinclair]

the only attack that can happen are from mafia gf.

i also notcies that this game can be very skewed with confirmed lookout. all games about 99% of the time have a doc. if you plan on putting in doc i might consider making lookout a true hidden possiblity or make it unehealable

lookout and doc confirm each other after gf lynched/killed, this makes it nearly impossible for the mafia to kill one or the ohter due to the circle they make, i would consider replacing lookout with doc, i have seen games where mafia gets screwed over things like that.

Very true.

I don't plan on having both in the game. But, we'll see what happens.

If both do end up in the game, the lookout will not see the doctors heals. I think doing that would be a good idea because, like you said, in a small game like this it makes the lookout/doctor combo very powerful.

The feedback a lookout will get (if the target is healed by a doctor) is

XXXXXX visited your target tonight. Name blanked for confidentiality reasons.

Sound good?

[ika]

i like that feedback its lolz

i would add it for being on doc as well so that they cant spam the circle of them targeting each toher. i think if doc heals and mafia shows in detection they both appear. if only doc appears its xxx.

this way it would be a battle of the ccers

[Sinclair]

i like that feedback its lolz

i would add it for being on doc as well so that they cant spam the circle of them targeting each toher. i think if doc heals and mafia shows in detection they both appear. if only doc appears its xxx.

this way it would be a battle of the ccers

Now what do you mean by "i would add it for being on doc as well"? So, Mafia and Doc appear as XXXXX for lookout?

Hmm heres some RP that could go with it:


While watching _______, and man spotted and approached you. He told you that if you ever tell anyone he was there, he'd make your life a living hell. You decided to not pay attention to this man.

That way, you know someone visited him but if the doctor/GF visited him, it would show up as that. The GF is immune to any sort of detection.


EDIT: Now that I think about it, it wouldn't show for the GF at all. The GF is immune from detection from Sheriff and Lookout. He also appears not suspicious to the investigator.

[ika]

Now what do you mean by "i would add it for being on doc as well"? So, Mafia and Doc appear as XXXXX for lookout?

Hmm heres some RP that could go with it:



That way, you know someone visited him but if the doctor/GF visited him, it would show up as that. The GF is immune to any sort of detection.


EDIT: Now that I think about it, it wouldn't show for the GF at all. The GF is immune from detection from Sheriff and Lookout. He also appears not suspicious to the investigator.

what im saying is that if its doc/lookout circle, they send a mafia memeber (not immune) to kill doc, the feedback would be XXXX (doc) and mafian name here visted you. i think you have it all figured out and im just making it more complicated right now

[Cryptonic]

Can Lookout self target?
Can Escort/Consort be roleblocked?
Does Bodyguard kill attacker?
Does Doctor get feedback if he successfully heals?

[Hypersniper]

I /presign this shit

[Sinclair]

Can Lookout self target?
Can Escort/Consort be roleblocked?
Does Bodyguard kill attacker?
Does Doctor get feedback if he successfully heals?

1: Yes, he/she can.
2: Yes they can.
3: Hmmm, didn't think about that. What do you think in such a small game? I'm thinking no.
4: Yes.

I'll edit the first post with this information.

[Cryptonic]

Queue Requirements:


13 or less players:
Yes


25 or less possible roles:
Yes


Role list:
Yes


Possible roles:
No. Please include an easy to read listing for Hidden Mafia and Hidden Town.


Win Conditions:
Yes


Rolecards (including host options):
Yes


Order of Operations:
Yes


Investigative Pairings:
Yes


Rules of Conduct:
Yes


Mechanics:
Included under "Rules"


Action:
N/A for games posted prior to 010813

[Sinclair]

?

An easy to read listing? What do you mean by that? What do you want me to change in my role list?

[Banshis]

?

An easy to read listing? What do you mean by that? What do you want me to change in my role list?
It is like.

Possible Mafia- Mafioso, Consig, Consort
Possible Town- Sheriff, Doctor, Citizen
Possible Neutrals- Jester, Amnesiac, Exec

Easy to see what roles are possible besides looking at all the roles.

[Cryptonic]

It is like.

Possible Mafia- Mafioso, Consig, Consort
Possible Town- Sheriff, Doctor, Citizen
Possible Neutrals- Jester, Amnesiac, Exec

Easy to see what roles are possible besides looking at all the roles.

Yes, like this please.

[Cryptonic]

Recommending that you add another Citizen to the game to make Town have 8 members. Helps balance it a bit better.

Other than that, I don't have any complaints with anything.