Forum Mafia IV {Q & A}

[Clawtrocity]

Post here if you want to sign up for the next Forum mafia.

Oops and I are co-hosting. The games rules and role list will appear after the old game is over and signs up seem to have tapered off.

Players:
NorthStar
Darkness
MrSmarter
AscendedOne
Zane
divemaster127
Yayap
McPwnage
FalseTruth
Procyon
CaressMeTenderly
Crimson
Capitalier
Elixir
TheJackofSpades
Ganondorf
Deathfire123
Deolrin
monster
MileS
Severn
nanosystem
Goonswarm
Illidan
Rumpel
Muso
Raiden
Zack
philie
fred
S.A.S.Somethingsomethingalpha
Jaczac
Davidson
Dark.Revenant
Inca_Killa


Role List:
Godfather
Consig
Consort
Mafioso
Drug Dealer
Puppeteer
Disguiser
Framer
Janitor

Sheriff
Invest
Citizen
Bodyguard
Occultist
Bus Driver
Coroner
Mason
Mayor
Detective
Lookout
Doctor
Jailor
Armor smith
Gunsmith
Vigilante
Veteran
Revolutionist

Arsonist
Serial Killer
Ghost
Witch
Jester
Student
Executioner
Survivor
Cult Leader


Rules:
1. No talking outside of the forum we provide for you.
2. No PMs on either forum.
3. No codes allowed unless approved by Oops or Claw.

You can only use ciphers and codes that do not require encryption. AKA, anything that changes a message to a different form that can be reversed into the original message is illegal. Code words and words formed by first letters in sentences/paragraphs/whatever are fine. Anything that requires more than pencil and paper to decipher is illegal. All codes must be plainly visible by anyone using a standard web browser.
4. Trolling will not be tolerated.
5. Quoting role cards will result in you being removed for a reserve player. All role cards will be shown on the day 1 post so they prove nothing anyway. They can be faked.
6. Giving up or not playing to win will result in being removed for a reserve player.
7. Cheating in any way will get you removed for a reserve player.
8. Being Narks will get you removed for a reserve player.

Limited uses:
Vigilante gets 4 shots.
Mayor gets 5 votes.
Jailor gets 4 executions
Janitor has 4 cleanings.
Survivor has 3 vests
Citizen has 1 vest.

[NorthStar]

I admit I suck ass at Forum Mafia, (good at SC2 Mafia though) and I would like to enlist myself for duty!

[The wolfman 32]

/sign

[Clawtrocity]

Almost anyone can play. Rules will be made and breaking any of the rules will result in removal from the game, but initial play will be allowed. Just don't go in planning on screwing your team over by getting removed or else you will be banned from further games. Like what Narks did.

I don't know whether Narks is going to be allowed to play in this game...We'll see.

[MrSmarter]

/sign

[AscendedOne]

/sign

[Zane]

/sign

[divemaster127]

/Sign and plz dont let narks in

[Yayap]

I want in.

Looks like I won't have to read Claw this game. I hope that JackofSpades plays in this one.

[McJesus]

/sign

[FalseTruth]

/sign and please set the color inside the spoiler to white. Thanks.

[Procyon]

I'll join, and Alpha will also be joining.

[Clawtrocity]

No signing up for other people.

[Clawtrocity]

/sign and please set the color inside the spoiler to white. Thanks.


I'm not smart. How?

[CaressMeTenderly]

/sign
/sign Capitalier
/sign daviddavidson
/sign Narks

[Crimson]

I am in!

/sign

[Capitalier]

/sign

[TheJackofSpades]

I will compete under the condition that I do not need a degree in code breaking in order to remain competitive this time around.

[Yayap]

I will compete under the condition that I do not need a degree in code breaking in order to remain competitive this time around.


No code breaking degree required to be competitive. The only coded messages I found were the obvious ones that didn't help on day 1. But yeah, I agree that super coded messages shouldn't be in the game.

JackofSpades, you earned my respect from FM2 and I would greatly appriciate playing with you again.

[Elixir]

I'm in.

Fixed your spoilers too.

[Ganondorf]

/sign

Also, I agree with divemaster. Narks should be banned from (at the very least) FM IV

[Clawtrocity]

Oops is co-hosting with me. No one's pulling any crazy shit that he won't find. He knew the only way someone could crack his code was with Notepad++ so we knew the risks going into it.

We'll be preventing any hypercode usage such as the ones seen in this last game, but sneaky creative codes will be allowed. The ones such as Pwn ru doc will be allowed.

[Deathfire123]

/sign I WANT IN!!!!! and not a citizen this time XD

[oops_ur_dead]

As for ciphers, I think a rule like the following is fair:

You can only use ciphers and codes that do not require encryption. AKA, anything that changes a message to a different form that can be reversed into the original message is illegal. Code words and words formed by first letters in sentences/paragraphs/whatever are fine. Anything that requires more than pencil and paper to decipher is illegal. All codes must be plainly visible by anyone using a standard web browser.

[Narks]

i should write a program to figure out the roles of people with private forums

shouldnt be too hard

[Clawtrocity]

Please don't. That'd be cruel and unusual. Actually that's right up your ally. Go for it I guess.

You're also not allowed to participate in Forum Mafia IV due to the nature at which you were expunged from the last game.

No one else is on the ban list currently. This ban is indefinite.

[AscendedOne]

Curiously why is narks STILL a "Respected Member"? I mean WHY? WHY?

[Narks]

now im definetly going to do it

:)

[Clawtrocity]

Narks, trust me. I planned on it.

Also narks is the only player to technically win 2 of the 3 games so far. He also won the first game as the Cult Leader which almost no one thought he was. He's not a bad player, he's just a troll and doesn't feel like playing the game anymore.

[Yayap]

Another muted forum member coming soon?
Oh wait, I think I can hear SAS in the background,. He must have found his voice again.

[Deolrin]

/Sign.

EDIT: I probably most likely shouldn't be telling this to ANYONE, but you should wait with the sign ups until the current game is over. You will see.

[Narks]

personally i think i did very well last game, taking a bullet as a citizen

if only disqualification prevented lynching, then i would have saved a town a lynch

[Deathfire123]

if you faked town power role a took a bullet during the night you wouldve helped us, the way you died, did not help us at all

[Narks]

not my fault town is retarded

[Deathfire123]

not my fault you're retarded

[Narks]

the video you linked in your signature lowered my IQ by 64%, so yes, it is your fault

[monster]

/sign

[Deathfire123]

lol. I think your IQ was just normally that low.

[CaressMeTenderly]

lol. I think your IQ was just normally that low.

You
shouldn't
talk
about
IQ
l0l

[MileS]

Count me in.

[AscendedOne]

Narks, trust me. I planned on it.

Also narks is the only player to technically win 2 of the 3 games so far. He also won the first game as the Cult Leader which almost no one thought he was. He's not a bad player, he's just a troll and doesn't feel like playing the game anymore.


I don't see how he really deserved either win.

The first game he was a trolling lurker who posted like 4 comments a day in the game and no one really suspected him because of his veil of trolling. A veil which clouds his actual role, because he wont act any different no matter his role. He will not add anything to the conversation hes in etc etc.

He constantly trolled the second and mixxed random accusations in with actual investigations making it impossible to tell whether lynching his target would actually help us.

In the third game he broke the rules as clearly stated before the start. Not really anything to dicuss here.

He was a burden from the very goddamn start. He got title in the first game for pretty much just his night actions (paired with some luck I believe), whereas in the day he did NOTHING WORTHY OF MENTION. Why is he a "respected member" for being a rule breaking troll in forum mafia?

[Severn]

/sign up

[monster]

EDIT: I probably most likely shouldn't be telling this to ANYONE, but you should wait with the sign ups until the current game is over. You will see.


I can't see how signing up for the next forum mafia will have anything to do with how the current game ends.

[nanosystem]

/sign up

[CaressMeTenderly]

Narks, trust me. I planned on it.

Also narks is the only player to technically win 2 of the 3 games so far. He also won the first game as the Cult Leader which almost no one thought he was. He's not a bad player, he's just a troll and doesn't feel like playing the game anymore.


I don't see how he really deserved either win.

The first game he was a trolling lurker who posted like 4 comments a day in the game and no one really suspected him because of his veil of trolling. A veil which clouds his actual role, because he wont act any different no matter his role. He will not add anything to the conversation hes in etc etc.

He constantly trolled the second and mixxed random accusations in with actual investigations making it impossible to tell whether lynching his target would actually help us.

In the third game he broke the rules as clearly stated before the start. Not really anything to dicuss here.

He was a burden from the very goddamn start. He got title in the first game for pretty much just his night actions (paired with some luck I believe), whereas in the day he did NOTHING WORTHY OF MENTION. Why is he a "respected member" for being a rule breaking troll in forum mafia?

let me summarize your post

I AM SO FUCKING MAD ARGHHHH IM FUCKING MAD



maybe you should realize like narks has been here a 1000 years before you and is friends with rev and shit and procyon so nobody gives a fuck??
we're all wc3 bros ho~

[Goonswarm]

I want to play.

[Illidan]

/sign!

[Elixir]

Hey I fixed your post colour. I don't deserve that.

[Rumpel1408]

sign up again, no crappy invisible inc this time :D

[Narks]

\Why is he a "respected member" for being a rule breaking troll in forum mafia?


at least my cheating is blatantly obvious

[Muso]

/Sign!

[Raiden]

/sign

[Zack]

/sign

Did I scare vornskr from signing up for the next one? That would be boring... We'l probably be annonymus this time, so feel free to sign up and i'l try to figure out who you are :P

[yak]

/sign

I am lurking here for a while, players from EU might remember my nick in SC2 mafia. I read through the previous two forum mafias and want to take a shot at this one :) .

[philie]

Holy fuck I'm almost late
I'm in

[striker999]

/sign

[fred]

/sign Im in :)

[Deolrin]

EDIT: I probably most likely shouldn't be telling this to ANYONE, but you should wait with the sign ups until the current game is over. You will see.


I can't see how signing up for the next forum mafia will have anything to do with how the current game ends.


Death chat.

[Rumpel1408]

deathchat won't have any impact right now, since almost EVERYONE is dead and may read up things there themself

[fred]

Darkness - 1
MrSmarter - 2
AscendedOne - 3
Zane - 4
divemaster - 5
Yayap - 6
McPwnage - 7
FalseTruth - 8
Procyon - 9
CaressMeTenderly - 10
Crimson - 11
Capitalier - 12
TheJackofSpades - 13
Elixir - 14
Ganondorf - 15
Deathfire123 - 16
Deolrin - 17
monster - 18
MileS - 19
Severn - 20
nanosystem - 21
Goonswarm - 22
Illidan - 23
Rumpel - 24
Muso - 25
Raiden - 26
Zack - 27
yak - 28
philie - 29
striker999 - 30
fred - 31


This is the order of signups as I've seen thus far :P

[CaressMeTenderly]

AAA
Y
U
NO
SIGN
UP
ALPHA
KUN
PM
OOPS

aaaaaaa
where
davidson

[Davidson]

ya sure why not i guess


is that a billy herington avatar , steak

[philie]

lolol plato gave rev real life money so alpha couldnt post

[Dark.Revenant]

Or I could just be trolling him for trolling my board which already trolls people.



Trolls trolling trolls.

[Yayap]

Just a comparison with previous games
Green means that he/she is new
Yellow means that he/she has played before
Red are notable names that have not signed up yet

Darkness
striker999
Capitalier
nanosystem
yak
Muso
MrSmarter
AscendedOne
Zane
divemaster
Yayap
McPwnage
FalseTruth
Procyon
CaressMeTenderly
Crimson
TheJackofSpades
Elixir
Ganondorf
Deathfire123
Deolrin
monster
MileS
Severn
Goonswarm
Illidan
Rumpel
Raiden
Zack
philie
fred
Auckmid - has played multiple games and was getting better each time
NorthStar - quiet but usually present to vote
SilentShadow - played his role well in FM3
S.A.S.cnl.Alpha - the infamous lurker who was muted... lol
vornksr - famous analyser from FM2 & 3
Spy - His choice
chocopaw
Darth_Sand
Inca_Killa

Did we scare away 3/4 members of Orange mafia team + Darth Sand? Did Philie bribe/threaten you to let her win this time?
people who only played once other than FM3 were excluded from this list

[Spy]

I did say if DR plays, I will also play.

[Yayap]

I did say if DR plays, I will also play.

I'm aware of that. DR can only play if we play on a different forum so that he doesn't see anything he isn't suppose to by accident. I'm not against that idea. It would be up to DR to decide.

[Spy]

I did say if DR plays, I will also play.

I'm aware of that. DR can only play if we play on a different forum so that he doesn't see anything he isn't suppose to by accident. I'm not against that idea. It would be up to DR to decide.
As long as it's not TL...

[Spy]

DR is an honest boy, I am sure he won't cheat :)

[Spy]

DR is an honest boy, I am sure he won't cheat :)
Wait.... he could even see the sexy PMs I send chocopaw everyday...

[NorthStar]

I was the first to enlist to play, you're right about me being quiet, voicing my ever changing opinions do happen to look suspicious you know. Thanks for the concern, my posts take a while to approve. =D

[Clawtrocity]

We will most likely be playing on a different forum.

We'll be using these sign ups as a gauge. We'll send everyone on this list a PM with the instructions for the new forums after sign ups are done. After the new accounts are setup we'll be starting a day 1 no lynch with the new names. The purpose of this day 1 no lynch will be for everyone to "Check in" on the new forums. After Day 1 no lynch ends the game will officially begin. Threads will be locked to only people who checked in(It'll be a long day for different time zones and what-not). Roles will be given out. Possible roles and rules will be posted.

We'll be using a closed setup. This is bascially going to work like the Mafia variant in SC2. We won't be randomizing the setup much. We'll use a realistic make-up so that town doesn't get screwed over with 25 citizens and 7 escorts or something. Roles such as the Disguiser, Arsonist, and Survivor will be present. It'll basically be a giant version of SC2 mafia with forum mafia roles sprinkled in.

The names will be anonymous, but we're not going to prevent people from using their own name if they want. Goon can use "Mafia Champion Goonswarm(TM)" if he wants, but he knows the pro's and con's of doing something like that. I'm not quite sure if I'm ok with other people taking others names. Such as False making his name DouchbagRevenant, Elixir going with GoonIsACock, or S.A.S. going with IAmProcyonWhaleOverlordOfAllBeingsForeverAndEver.

Also names will probably have a limit because trying to keep track of 100 character long names is stupid. I don't know if oops can force these limits or we'll have to do it manually, but please just choose a normal-ish name. It'd be a great help.

As far as I know Dark can play with this game since he won't have access to the sub-forums like he would with this one. That's up to him though if he wants to participate.

More information to come. Keep signing up we'd love this to be as big as possible so we can have more fun with the role list.

[Darth Sand]

@yapyap:
no, philie didn't threaten us (at least not me) :D
I just get too angry while playing, so I'll watch it to be able to have fun :3

Edit: Oh, on another forum? Meh, still won't play.

[Spy]

Fine, OP, Plato will play since the player's name is anonymous.

[Spy]

But Plato will likely name himself Plato.

[Spy]

And Claw, please do not screw up. Do not use stupid colour schemes that include more than 20% red. Don't make stupid spelling mistakes. JUST DO NOT SCREW UP.

[monster]

yay for closed setup and anonymous names

[philie]

can we has know how many mafias there are and if theres any shit like witch/amnesiac to account for? anything to estimate the kpn?

[Yayap]

can we has know how many mafias there are and if theres any shit like witch/amnesiac to account for? anything to estimate the kpn?


no telling.. SK might want to not kill to make it seem like the SK doesn't exist. :-X

[philie]

pro's and con's

just gonna leave it here

[Clawtrocity]

You'll recognize the types of kills. You will know the possible roles. You won't know the amount of roles. There could be 2 SKs and a witch or 3 witches or 2 arsonists and an SK.

It's all dependent on how many people show up and what we decide. There probably won't be a cult leader in this setup because of the added neutrals and what not.

All in due time my friends...This forum mafia will be teh epicz.

[TheJackofSpades]

All in due time my friends...This forum mafia will be teh epicz.

Just by claiming that, you've already ruined it.

[oops_ur_dead]

Sas told me on MSN that he wants to sign up.

[Capitalier]

Sas told me on MSN that he wants to sign up.

He said the same to me, so you should sign up that sexy feller.

[CaressMeTenderly]

Davidson said he would join, Claw, yet he's not on the list??

[CaressMeTenderly]

ya sure why not i guess


is that a billy herington avatar , steak

[Dust]

Although I have been lurking for a long time (mostly the last two fm games) I would like to play this time around

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I have no idea if Claw was trying to specifically out me due to me being on mutelist but hey I'mma sign up anyway.

[Dark.Revenant]

I will play, and will never reveal my identity, not even in a last will.

[CaressMeTenderly]

lol i know what your name is going to be already

[jaczac]

Im not good and this will be first time but
/sign

[Marcus]

Sign me up, I really need to play a game.

[FalseTruth]

I don't think Claw realizes he has >35 players. He's going to have to cut inactive forum members.

[Clawtrocity]

We wanted a lot of people...Also remember these aren't all the actual players.

What's going on with FM3? Is it ended or are we just in a constant state of wait?

[FalseTruth]

We wanted a lot of people...Also remember these aren't all the actual players.

What's going on with FM3? Is it ended or are we just in a constant state of wait?

oops is doing the photoshops and gives himself long breaks.

[oops_ur_dead]

I have the most wicked headache from caffeine withdrawal.

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I'm an infamous lurker.

this is pretty cool, I enjoy being awake at 3:00AM to be an actual player.

[Luna]

If there's still space I'd love to join, I'm active and I play with new people :)

[Clawtrocity]

We're cutting down players.

Unfortunately the majority of players from the last game signed up and I don't want to cut any of them. This just means that new players will be on the bench for this game.

However, if any existing players don't feel like playing then tell me ahead of time so I can make adjustments.

[CaressMeTenderly]

Might I suggest allowing someone else to host a mafia game for the people cut and playing a setup like F11? Not all mafia setups call for 30+ players. Most of them generally don't, actually.

[Clawtrocity]

I cut out 5 players that were on the list. Double check the list to see if you are still there. If you are then you'll recieve information about the game soon(TM).

If you aren't on the list then you'll have to observe. I'd suggest contacting Elixir and checking out what the situation is for FM5, pay attention to how we play FM4 and be ready to sign up quickly.

[CaressMeTenderly]

wat
no
revolutionist?

[Clawtrocity]

I'm in the process of adding lots of roles to the list. After we finish the possible role list we will choose roles to fill the actual game with. These will be randomized and sent to players soon after the conclusion of the FM3.

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I was pretty sure I was signing myself up when I was question whether or not Claw was specifically targeting me out when making the 'YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOURSELF UP RULE.'

[FalseTruth]

Suggestions: Add enchantress, take out armorsmith. Add forger for mafia, take out at least 2 roles? Not sure why you have a vigilante with a gunsmith around.

1 citizen? Really? What's the point of masons with just one citizen around? Cult is a bit too powerful here, and revolutionists will need citizens to recruit as well.

Town starts off without a majority. It is very unlikely the 9 person mafia team will lose this tbh.

This needs lots of balance work, but I like the roles you picked so far.

[oops_ur_dead]

That is a list of POSSIBLE roles. Not what roles people actually have. Nobody except us will see the real role list since this is a closed setup.

[FalseTruth]

That is a list of POSSIBLE roles. Not what roles people actually have. Nobody except us will see the real role list since this is a closed setup.

Oh okay lol. Thanks for clarifying.

[Davidson]

make it GANG WAR themed


and make everybody a jailer

[Clawtrocity]

PFFFT LOLOLOL

1 citizen

[divemaster127]

When is the night ending?

[Severn]

Those possible roles looks awesome. The neutrals are going to be making me so paranoid asking myself whether there is a cult leader or not.

VETERAN! Random veteran will be so lolsy.

[Capitalier]

I think something like the werewolf would be nice in this setup.
http://www.epicmafia.com/role/174

From looking at the past games, people like mass claiming their roles. Well, if they do claim, they get yiffed. :)

[Pansy]

Can i sign up?

[Clawtrocity]

Any further sign up will be placed on reserve.

Reserve players takes the place of players breaking rules.

[jaczac]

Why did i get kicked? can u reput me in ?

[Capitalier]

Why did i get kicked? can u reput me in ?

sonic hates kids in 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPROId0LN_g#t=00m08s)

[Yayap]

Why did i get kicked?


If you can't seem to find the reason for your removal in this topic with just over 100 replies, how on earth are you going to be able to keep up with about 2000+ replies each day? Seriously please read the other posts before posting yourself. Only exception to this rule should be when people post at the same time.

[jaczac]

I know Why i got dropped, cuz ima new member, but why me? I check lots, I read most of Forum mafia II and III and ive checked this evry hour pretty much

[Yayap]

You also tried joining after the 35 player cap off was reached making you more likely to get dropped.

Tip for all new people that want in FM5: sign up early.

[Clawtrocity]

You were dropped because I went up the list(from the bottom). Anyone who wasn't in a previous FM was removed in order.

I added Inca because he PMd me well before half the other people did and asked for a spot. I didn't notice the PM until after I made the cut and had to cut an extra person.

You're on reserve. Even though the reserve list is partially random you may find yourself in the game sooner or later.

Updated with rules.

[jaczac]

*sigh....* Can i put an early request?

Also, if someone drops, may i have his/her spot?

[Clawtrocity]

I'm telling elixir right now that this game could use some more people and you'll see why after this game. The way we are working this out it'll be much more managable with more people and for people who don't have a lot of time to siphon through 100 pages of 5000 word essays.

Forum mafia is in a constant state of evolution and we believe this game is taking it to the next level not only with suggestions, but the anonymous forum and the way the game will play out.

I STRONGLY suggest people start thinking up amazing forum mafia based ideas for roles. Almost anything is possible in the forum mafia situation and it'd be nice to get some diversity to the different games.

Jaczac just for being this persistent I'm giving you the first reserve spot. You better not make me regret that shit.

[jaczac]

Thank you claw :D
You wont regret it!

[Auckmid]

Shoot, I was on holiday :(

Oh well

/sign, if there are still spots...

[AscendedOne]

I STRONGLY suggest people start thinking up amazing forum mafia based ideas for roles. Almost anything is possible in the forum mafia situation and it'd be nice to get some diversity to the different games.


Grave robber? Addtionally, why don't we use a few more epic mafia roles?

[Clawtrocity]

I personally will only consider roles with enough effort that they are put on the interesting roles catalog by FalseTruth. Sometimes I see some neat roles on there, but none are fully polished off.

If someone suggests a forum mafia version of some epic mafia roles that I can see being helpful then maybe I'd use them.

Again this is only me. Elixir might use only epic mafia roles. I prefer more SC2 based Mafia. You will see the playstyle of the player highlighted in the role list since we all add our own little touch to the setups. Goon is known for balance and I'd say this last game was pretty god damn balanced in terms of chance of winning and reward of winning.

If you are a SK and you won you feel extremely accomplished since you had the odds against you, yet he still won because of the way the game was designed. My setup is more closed, random, and I hope fun. I don't mind it being balanced or unbalanced as long as the majority of people have fun.

Auckmid you'll be going on reserve. That's the best I can do for you I guess. =(

[AscendedOne]

Well claw, falsetruth HAS said he was goint to put the idea into the catolog. He has been delayed by hosting forum mafia and the fact that none of the ideas could be added into sc2 intill the scrypt limit gets raised. So ya..... Don't leave my idea out of consideration.....

[Auckmid]

Auckmid you'll be going on reserve. That's the best I can do for you I guess. =(
So does that mean that I'm going to replace someone if they go completely AFK, or that unless someone decides not to play pre-game, I'm not playing? :(

[Capitalier]

...

If someone suggests a forum mafia version of some epic mafia roles that I can see being helpful then maybe I'd use them.

....


With a 4-clean janitor, a Mortician http://www.epicmafia.com/role/166 might be useful.

Also, I think we need this role to honor Narks ... http://www.epicmafia.com/role/787

[AscendedOne]

Auckmid you'll be going on reserve. That's the best I can do for you I guess. =(
So does that mean that I'm going to replace someone if they go completely AFK, or that unless someone decides not to play pre-game, I'm not playing? :(


It means that if someone breaks the rules, or if someone doesn't show up you will move up the list.

[AscendedOne]

With a 4-clean janitor, a Mortician http://www.epicmafia.com/role/166 might be useful.


Already in the game, called a coroner.

[Elixir]

I'm telling elixir right now that this game could use some more people and you'll see why after this game. The way we are working this out it'll be much more managable with more people and for people who don't have a lot of time to siphon through 100 pages of 5000 word essays.

Forum mafia is in a constant state of evolution and we believe this game is taking it to the next level not only with suggestions, but the anonymous forum and the way the game will play out.

I STRONGLY suggest people start thinking up amazing forum mafia based ideas for roles. Almost anything is possible in the forum mafia situation and it'd be nice to get some diversity to the different games.

Jaczac just for being this persistent I'm giving you the first reserve spot. You better not make me regret that shit.


Wait what did I do?

If we have like 50-60 people we can just run two at once.

[Auckmid]

Auckmid you'll be going on reserve. That's the best I can do for you I guess. =(
So does that mean that I'm going to replace someone if they go completely AFK, or that unless someone decides not to play pre-game, I'm not playing? :(


It means that if someone breaks the rules, or if someone doesn't show up you will move up the list.
Okay, theres hope. So if someone dosn't give a night action before night 1 deadline, can I replace that person?

[AscendedOne]

Yes, Claw will correct me if I'm wrong.

MWUHAHAHHAHAHA I have given the false hope.

[Clawtrocity]

No, I'm saying you can have 40-45 people and it can still be a casual game.

There's no reason to cut them in half.

You'll see after this game. I'm partial to bigger games though. I've built the role cards from scratch, Oops has made an entire forum up and running, and we've done all the randomization all in a day. The amount of players isn't overwhelming at all.

I'd also hate for a split game and have one game be extremely fun and being left out because I was in my own game doing boring stuff.

Pretty much Auckmid there will be pre-determined random named accounts. You will just get access to a new password for that account and you'll take over that player. No one will know that you are the one that took over the body, but will know that a swap was made with that player.

[philie]

Elixier has a point. Keep accept g signups and make 2 games

[Auckmid]

No, I'm saying you can have 40-45 people and it can still be a casual game.

There's no reason to cut them in half.

You'll see after this game. I'm partial to bigger games though. I've built the role cards from scratch, Oops has made an entire forum up and running, and we've done all the randomization all in a day. The amount of players isn't overwhelming at all.

I'd also hate for a split game and have one game be extremely fun and being left out because I was in my own game doing boring stuff.

Pretty much Auckmid there will be pre-determined random named accounts. You will just get access to a new password for that account and you'll take over that player. No one will know that you are the one that took over the body, but will know that a swap was made with that player.
Okay. Is there many people ahead of me on the reserve list?

[Clawtrocity]

No. We don't have enough for 2 games. We have enough for 1 real game and a shitty game.

Even if we allowed people to keep signing up. We'll have 45 people max.

If you don't feel like playing in this version of Forum Mafia then you can do what Plato did and create your own variant. I just get this vibe that I've offended "you people" and you're displeased with me so you don't want to play a game I'm hosting. Sorry for being a jackass, but what can I do. What's done is done and I'm ready to host FM4.

@Auckmid: Other than Jaczac the list will be randomized so the players don't know who is taking who. I don't want there to be a list since as soon as "Someone cheated and someone else replaced them" happened everyone would be like "SUP AUCKMID LULULUL".

[AscendedOne]

I'd also hate for a split game and have one game be extremely fun and being left out because I was in my own game doing boring stuff.


I dont see how large games would be much better. It's more of a trade off......
In a large game it will be harder to keep track of people.
Then theres that situation.

[Capitalier]

No. We don't have enough for 2 games. We have enough for 1 real game and a shitty game.

Even if we allowed people to keep signing up. We'll have 45 people max.

If you don't feel like playing in this version of Forum Mafia then you can do what Plato did and create your own variant. I just get this vibe that I've offended "you people" and you're displeased with me so you don't want to play a game I'm hosting. Sorry for being a jackass, but what can I do. What's done is done and I'm ready to host FM4.

@Auckmid: Other than Jaczac the list will be randomized so the players don't know who is taking who. I don't want there to be a list since as soon as "Someone cheated and someone else replaced them" happened everyone would be like "SUP AUCKMID LULULUL".


How does the disguiser work? Do you switch accounts?

[Clawtrocity]

You are the [size=4][Disguiser]

You will be able to use a one time attack that, if successful, will allow you to take over that persons body and decieve others around you.You are the only person that the Godfather has no control over. You are able to make your own decisions on who to attack.

If you receive a bulletproof vest or a gun, you will receive instruction on their use.

You want the town to lose and to survive.

You gain control of the targets account. The password will be changed on both accounts.

[Yayap]

I dont see how large games would be much better. It's more of a trade off......
In a large game it will be harder to keep track of people.
Then theres that situation.


You don't really have to keep track of people, just one at a time. Once you know who is mafia, it should be a fast lynch. If there is no more ideas, then look back and find another lead. Once people start piecing peoples roles together, it becomes a team effort, but I highly recommend keeping a notepad or other doc open with confirmed roles so you don't get mixed up.

[Auckmid]

Also, I loled at the setup. 9 neutrals! ;D

[Clawtrocity]

Auckmid, You know that's not the real setup right? Those are only the possible roles to be prepared for. The actual role list looks much more normal than that...

[Yayap]

Also, I loled at the setup. 9 neutrals! ;D


9 possible neutral roles. We don't know how many will be in the game.
It's like in SC2, we have a bunch of role possibilities but not everyone of them makes it into the game.
Example: very few SC2 mafia games have vigilantes now.


... Claw beat me to the reply button, again.

[Elixir]

I thought the Revolutionists were neutral.

Oh well. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

How are you doing puppeteer?

[monster]

This is going to be awesome. What is the ETA? Are we just waiting for the current mafia to conclude?

[Severn]

I guess maybe since they win with citizens they could count as town.

[Davidson]

NOW

[jaczac]

even though im not guerenteed a spot, im itching for the suspense
cant wait :D

[Clawtrocity]

Puppeteer forces someone to be unable to vote.

ETA should be soon. Oops and I(Mainly Oops) are in the process of finishing the forum up. After False and Goon give out the awards that Oops has completed we should be good to go. Sending out role card information as well as website and login information.

The account names have randomly generated and will make sense after you read the Day 1 RP.

Day 1 will be a no lynch and last approximately 24 hours. Failure to post 1 message during the day 1 no lynch will result in me giving your character to one of the reserve players. If you don't want to talk strategically after that at the very least let me know, but I'm only worried about Day 1 absentees.

[monster]

awwww... I was going to name myself Twilight Sparkle the Friendly Pwny *hoping for my little pwny theme*

On a more serious note - how will the KPN be handled?

/Yes, I know it will be explained in the Op, but I am asking just to have some conversation going. :)

[TheJackofSpades]

This sounds fun, as long as the players do not actively seek to ruin it. And since I don't have to worry about randomizing my name, I pray I get Arsonist because I've proven in the past forum mafias that I am clearly a better player when alone.

[Clawtrocity]

What do you mean how will KPN handled?

[monster]

Basically - how many kills will the mafia have? Is it going to be based on their numbers or will the kills come from neutral killers.

[Rumpel1408]

[...]the awards that Oops has completed[...]


Is this confirmed?

[monster]

[...]the awards that Oops has completed[...]


Is this confirmed?


Haha, well he confirmed this in the dead chat. :P Waiting on False now.

[Clawtrocity]

The only info I can give is that if you look at the role list you can see the potential KPN may be high.

Arsonist, SK, Cult leader, Vig, BG, Mafia, Jailor, Gunsmith guns, Jester Overdrive/suicide, Executioner Overdrive, and things like Disguiser and what not.

I can tell you that realistically it won't be high because of Doctors, vests, immunities, and things like that.

The actual role list was hand-chosen by me.

If you have any questions regarding certain roles please ask me now so I can clarify while we have lots of time. If you wanna know what happens when a bus driver targets a witch that targets a bus driver that gets blocked by a blocked escort then I probably won't be able to help you. Oops is making a program based off information from Dark that does all that for us. If you're wondering how we're handling certain mechanics then go ahead and ask.

Me and oops know how we want to handle everything, but we aren't going to go through every single possibility so please ask us or don't cry after something happens that you didn't know about.

For instance: Disguiser + Mafia attack on a healed person will only show the 1 attack on the dead player. I don't like the way it was done in SC2 since it's so obvious so this method creates a sneakier approach.

Student is not assigned a mentor he gets to choose his first night. He also gains the ability to talk to his mentor at night in a special night class sub-forum.

There are 5 unique roles in the game: Sargeras(Godfather), Archmage Rhonin(Mayor), Ragnaros(Arsonist), Illidan Stormrage(Serial Killer), and Cho'Gall(Cult Leader). Not all of these roles are in the game, but all are referenced in the RP. Unique means there can only be one of that role in the game.

[S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

This might be the most intricately planned and well-thought out Mafia to date

quite clearly it is, we only had one game on the previous forums.

[Raiden]

Now that it has been mentioned in dead chat, can we have the "online players" list obscured?

Sorry if it has already been discussed in this thread, but i didn't find it so i might as well suggest it now. The less meta we have to handle, the better. Imho.

[Rumpel1408]

There are 5 unique roles in the game: Sargeras(Godfather), Archmage Rhonin(Mayor), Ragnaros(Arsonist), Illidan Stormrage(Serial Killer), and Cho'Gall(Cult Leader). Not all of these roles are in the game, but all are referenced in the RP. Unique means there can only be one of that role in the game.

This Doesn't mean that we get this names as user names does it? because then it would be pretty obvious who to lynch^^

[Rumpel1408]

Now that it has been mentioned in dead chat, can we have the "online players" list obscured?

Sorry if it has already been discussed in this thread, but i didn't find it so i might as well suggest it now. The less meta we have to handle, the better. Imho.

Yeah and can you pls turn off my german writing style? xD

[Raiden]

Now that it has been mentioned in dead chat, can we have the "online players" list obscured?

Sorry if it has already been discussed in this thread, but i didn't find it so i might as well suggest it now. The less meta we have to handle, the better. Imho.

Yeah and can you pls turn off my german writing style? xD


You do it :P i will turn off my tension and my "yeah i know EVERYTHING but i'll tell you later" attitude :P (or maybe not, you'll never know)

[nanosystem]

There are 5 unique roles in the game: Sargeras(Godfather), Archmage Rhonin(Mayor), Ragnaros(Arsonist), Illidan Stormrage(Serial Killer), and Cho'Gall(Cult Leader). Not all of these roles are in the game, but all are referenced in the RP.

Warcraft RP?? Awesome!

[Clawtrocity]

Oops is working on blocking things like log in times, who's online, and all that stuff. He's away today so I can't give you an answer, but we're working on it.

Also the forums color will change based on the mood of the game. We won't tell you what they mean, but when you log in and see a different color you better know that something semi-important has happened.

Also it won't be based on hidden actions or anything. Nothing will be spoiled by them.

Names are from a random name generator. Each player is assigned a name and a house(Fake RP stuff) You'll go to the house at night and "lock the door" disguisers and what not get the key when they disguise as you. There are handful of roles that do this.

Disguiser, Occultist, and Ghost. I may have forgotten one, but those are the big three that I can remember. It will be up to you to act like the person to the best of your ability if you don't then you could get caught.

The Occultist take over will not be known. The only people who will know it will be the Occultist and the person he revives.

Ghost tries to kill the person that murdered him. He gets the name of the player that killed him and must possess someone the night after his death. He gets to talk in death chat for that 1 night, but will be removed from it afterward. Be careful what you say in death chat you never know how many(If any) ghosts may be present.

[philie]

how can you possibly estimate setup strength with those roles that havent been tested yet

[Clawtrocity]

There is no setup strength. There is no balance. You'll either have fun or you won't have fun. I'm hoping the majority of players have fun with this setup.

That's pretty much all I can say. The town has good roles, but they lack the ability to piece information together with a role list.

[Auckmid]

I'm glad there is going to me a more limited number of unique roles.

[Deolrin]

Claw, as awesome as that sounds, it makes very little sense. I'm sorry to say so, but seriously; I'd rather play Final Fantasy or Infamous 2 RP(even though I've never played these games) than your setup.
I'm really really sorry, but that's how I feel. Your roles make no sense; That doesn't sound like a Mafia game, that sounds like a bunch of immensely powerful beings thrown together into a place and forced to play a retarded game or something.

[Clawtrocity]

Lol...The game start can't come soon enough.

YOU GOTTA TRUST ME!! IT WORKS

[Deolrin]

It BETTER work. <_>
WoW lore already fucked up everything, I doubt you can screw it up more than Blizzard did. :D

[Zack]

Yeah I don't count WoW as part of the Warcraft world... Unfortunatley, Blizzard does.

[jaczac]

we need to make an offiacal Forum Mafia IV dicussion thread...
I thought this was only sign up.

[TheJackofSpades]

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are complaining about in terms of setup balance. None of the Forum Mafias have had balanced setups, it's all about enjoyability.

I'll say one thing though:

If you are planning on coming into this game thinking that the setup sucks, give your slot to someone else now. You won't be missed, I assure you.

[CaressMeTenderly]

wait people are complaining over the RP of a setup?

[jaczac]

I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are complaining about in terms of setup balance. None of the Forum Mafias have had balanced setups, it's all about enjoyability.

I'll say one thing though:

If you are planning on coming into this game thinking that the setup sucks, give your slot to someone else now. You won't be missed, I assure you.


Nudge Nudge...

[Muso]

Exciting! When do we get started?

[Clawtrocity]

Soon(TM)

[philie]

also a small suggestion: allow people to sign up for observing and create accounts for those willing with access to day chats. And maybe even a discussion forum hidden to everyone else

[oops_ur_dead]

I will give guests view-only access to day chat.

[Spy]

Can you please remove me from this game? I don't want to play anymore. Thanks.

[Clawtrocity]

jaczac gets that spot

[jaczac]

WOO HOO!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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[Yayap]

Do we have a target time when we should be online? in FM3 dead chat it was mentioned that FM4 would start today.

[philie]

but auckmid was in every forum mafia.

[Yayap]

but auckmid was in every forum mafia.


He kinda missed the boat for this one. He'll have to wait for someone to cheat and be kicked and hope that the randomizer picks him to replace.

It does kinda suck for new people, since if everyone from the other FMs would have signed up, there would be no room for new people at all.

[Clawtrocity]

Auckmid was late to sign up. I can't do anything about that. I didn't know he went on vacation either.

Also, We decided to just let False and Goon end their game before we started. Everything is ready to go though. We'll make the first day last as long as needed to make sure everyone has a chance to log in and post. We'll be using WolframAlpha links in the time so all timezones can know when the next day will start.

[divemaster127]

Anyone know when false and goon when end there game??? its been more than 4 days

[Clawtrocity]

No one knows. I thought False was online ending it, but apparently he just logged on to mindfuck us all...

Illidan has the respected title so it's gotta be soon...

[philie]

they were supposed to pick 2 people, who's the second one?

[oops_ur_dead]

Best be me.

[Zane]

Me.

[Rumpel1408]

me, obviously cause i won two games now *even when jhester and town may still kill me, but meh, we dont want to wait another week do we?*

[Clawtrocity]

Just to hold people over and for some constructive criticism.

Armorsmith/Gunsmith/Disguiser
Arsonist/Bus Driver/Jester(Crazy guy constantly burning things.)
Godfather/Citizen/Revolutionist/Survivor/Cult Leader
Sheriff/Investigator/Consigliere
Jailor/Vigilante/Mafioso
Detective/Lookout/Framer
Serial Killer/Doctor/Coroner/Janitor
Witch/Occultist/Ghost
Mason/Cultist(Even in process)/Revolutionized Citizen
Drug Dealer/Bodyguard/Escort/Consort
Puppeteer/Mayor
Student/Executioner
Veteran is unique. If you target him and get healed you see what he is.
Occultist Rezed target/Disguised Disguiser/Possessed Ghost person

Any questions or concerns about this list would be nice. NOTE: There may not even be investigators or consigilere's and this could all just be a clever ruse by me. MUAHAHAHAHAHA

[CaressMeTenderly]

its narks, actually. That's why there's no fourth person, he's gotten it twice now.

[Clawtrocity]

Illidan, Vorn, Narks, and Jack are all respected.

Goon and False just have very bad sleeping habits or something...

[AscendedOne]

Just to hold people over and for some constructive criticism.

Armorsmith/Gunsmith/Disguiser
Arsonist/Bus Driver/Jester(Crazy guy constantly burning things.)
Godfather/Citizen/Revolutionist/Survivor/Cult Leader
Sheriff/Investigator/Consigliere
Jailor/Vigilante/Mafioso
Detective/Lookout/Framer
Serial Killer/Doctor/Coroner/Janitor
Witch/Occultist/Ghost
Mason/Cultist(Even in process)/Revolutionized Citizen
Drug Dealer/Bodyguard/Escort/Consort
Puppeteer/Mayor
Student/Executioner
Veteran is unique. If you target him and get healed you see what he is.
Occultist Rezed target/Disguised Disguiser/Possessed Ghost person

Any questions or concerns about this list would be nice. NOTE: There may not even be investigators or consigilere's and this could all just be a clever ruse by me. MUAHAHAHAHAHA


Cult leader should be detectable someway. Are you saying that cultists dont keep their orginal role? Or does their cult role surpress their orginal investigative messages?
And cmmon.... Give grave robber a chance, falsetruth just hasnt updated the thread.

[Clawtrocity]

The role list has already been set. I forgot about this...lol This hopefully won't cause any uproar.


You are Cho'Gall[Cult Leader]
You are the leader of the cult. You can recruit one member per night. New recruits keep their powers for 2 days then they turn into full-blown cultists. Cultists can only vote on new recruits as well choose to kill someone once they have more than 4 Cultists. If you die then half of the cult will sacrifice themselves in your honor trying to bring you back.
If you receive a bulletproof vest or a gun, you will receive instruction on their use.
You must survive and have 75% control of the vote during the day.

Cult Leader isn't immune at night. Lots of different ways to die in this game so it shouldn't be an issue. Also, it might not even be in the game. Just because it's a named role doesn't mean it's in the game. Even roles that make an appearance in the RP aren't 100% in the game.

[Deathfire123]

So this is basically a guessing game for anyone who isnt a detective role since we dont get a role list =\

[Clawtrocity]

Nope. This is a game of figuring out who's playing pro-town and who's playing anti-town. not playing Who's the last doctor? Who's the 2nd investigator? Oh we'll just role claim to victory.

Also detectives, lookouts, investigators, sheriffs, and more will role claim. It'll be up to you to figure out if that player is telling the truth or not.

[Deathfire123]

I still think this is taking out an essential part of the game and significantly decreases town's chance of winning

[Clawtrocity]

That's been accounted for in the setup.

[Yayap]

The suspense is killing me. False, Goon... Get that Epilogue done.

@Deathfire... it may also increase them depending who is on what team. If most of the heavy analysts turn up town. That one mafia team is going to have a hard time hiding.

[philie]

well i am sure yayap will be ASSIGNED, not randomed out, an evil role, for the sake of entertainment, so it can be a good idea to find out who he is.

[Clawtrocity]

And you won't even know who each other are!! Oh seriously I can't wait for this. Keep asking questions since they hold me over and will hopefully give you more insight on what kind of game your in for.

I'd be horrible at PR for games companies.

"Guys the game isn't coming out for awhile...Ok fine DECEMBER 2ND AND THE MAIN CHARACTER DIES IN THE BEGINNING AND YOU PLAY SOMEONE ELSE AND SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE AND HERPDERP I'm fired"

[Deathfire123]

Also Aeris dies

[Clawtrocity]

well i am sure yayap will be ASSIGNED, not randomed out, an evil role, for the sake of entertainment, so it can be a good idea to find out who he is.


Everything was randomed once. We made one change in the original randomization that was also randomized.

X[NewPlayer] was Y[Odd role]

So we re-randomized that position once and swapped their roles around. Everything else is on first randomization unless Oops did some fishy hacking of random.org.

[philie]

Claw, is yayap an evil role?

[Clawtrocity]

Yayap is a random role. He can be any of the roles on the possible role list. There are evil roles, neutral roles, and town roles on that list.

More questions pl0x

[TheJackofSpades]

Why did you choose the name "Clawtrocity"?

[Deathfire123]

Is Claw an OP role?

[Yayap]

Also Aeris dies


NOOOOooooooo!! You spoiled it, I haven't reached that part in the game yet.

(but I knew about since I've seen the cutscreen before)

@Philie.. I would have laughed if Claw threw me that challenge: You are a SK but everyone knows you are a SK. Try not to expose your ID.

[jaczac]

I cant wait :D
still, what are goon and truth doing?

[Clawtrocity]

Clawtrocity is a name I used in WoW.

I named all my characters after Halo Medals:
Overshot
Clawtrocity
Heallionaire
Aprotcalypse
Stabamanjaro
Clothtrocity(Punny name)


Claw is an OP role. He has the ability to kill anyone at any time.

[divemaster127]

Could you just write the epilogue?

[philie]

what classes did you play in wow and what was the world rank of your wowguild?

[divemaster127]

Also how many mafia will there be.

[TheJackofSpades]

Thank you for answering. In return, I would like to offer you the advice that you should probably restrict investigator groupings to three at max, perhaps four for the GF grouping.

Anything beyond that point and you might as well just make the investigator a citizen for the usefulness a 25% chance is worth.

[Yayap]

Hmm.
1- Claw, do you know where I got my name from
and 2- Why do so many people spell my name yapyap

[jaczac]

I cant wait :D
still, what are goon and truth doing?

Oh man that looked bad with my sig..

[philie]

i liked the variation of mcpwnage: Yipyap

[TheJackofSpades]

Hmm.
1- Claw, do you know where I got my name from
and 2- Why do so many people spell my name yapyap

Ask vornskr

[Clawtrocity]

My guild sucks in WoW.
I have 4 level 85s on Executus
Clawtrocity - Balance/Resto - Main I enjoy playing on him.
Overshot - PvP Hunter(Old main in everything other than Cataclysm-Rarely play anymore)
Heallionaire - Resto Shaman(Resto sucked so I leveled a roflface paladin)
Aprotcalypse - Holy/Prot - Mainly just use for healing alt raids occasionally.

I only played a hunter up until late wrath when I leveled a druid(Claw) and enjoyed healing.
In process of leveling a priest so I can have 1 of each healing class.
Never will level a DK or warrior I hate both.

EPILOGUE:
False and Goon are douchebags.

Illidan won MVP because he beat Claw who is totally amazing and hard to beat and what not.

Rumpel wins the game and slaughters the rest of the towns people and eats their babies.

Boom done let's go lolololololol


Mafia has more than 1 less than 35 people.

Yayap was a very intelligent Unggoy who lived during the 9th Age of Reclamation. He distinguished himself during the Battle of Installation 04.

^Googled, but it's Halo which is the best game franchise ever.

[AscendedOne]

If a mafia was just culted, and sherrifs detect both mafia and cult, will he still be in mafia chat after his two days of retaining old role are up? Will he appear to be both a mafia and a cultist to the sheriff during this time?



You must survive and have 75% control of the vote during the day.

So cult leader will not win if he dies even if the cult should win the game for him? What is the cultist's victory condition?

[Deathfire123]

Nah claw, thats final fantasy

[Clawtrocity]

@Jack

The point is that not all of these roles are even in the game. So they are there to add confusion. Investigators usually will be able to decipher lies based on what people say. Sometimes a detective will see them visit and they'll have to say doctor or something that doesn't let them look suspicious. Same with jailors and stuff. Investigators disprove those lies. Also, there are a shit ton of combos and I picked ones that made sense to me.

@Ascended
Culted Mafia members stay in mafia chat, but can't preform their power. They can be sent by the GF, but he won't do any ability. He'll have to lie about it. Also, the GF has the ability to remove players from mafia chat if he believes they are culted. This adds an entire new dimension to the game.

The cultists all have the same win condition as the cult leader. I said survive, but as long as the cultists are left standing at the end of the game and have 75% majority then the cult wins as a whole.

[divemaster127]

We should start fm4.

[Clawtrocity]

We're waiting out of respect. Oops doesn't want to start it until they are done.

Until then we be chilin like gangstaz

[divemaster127]

Hmm that works.

[TheJackofSpades]

My guild sucks in WoW.
I have 4 level 85s on Executus
Clawtrocity - Balance/Resto - Main I enjoy playing on him.
Overshot - PvP Hunter(Old main in everything other than Cataclysm-Rarely play anymore)
Heallionaire - Resto Shaman(Resto sucked so I leveled a roflface paladin)
Aprotcalypse - Holy/Prot - Mainly just use for healing alt raids occasionally.

Haha, this is the embodiment of why I despised Wrath. Every healing class outshined me with half the effort, and hunters were hunters.

In Wrath I played:
UD priest - Holy pre-CoH nerf, disc for awhile until I just couldn't compete with other healing classes in HC 25 ToC, shadow until I quit
BE Warlock - Destro until conflag nerf, never looked at him again afterwards
Human Mage - Frostfire, never raided with him.

[AscendedOne]

So what about the sheriff details? If they are being culted will they appear to be both mafia and cult? After they are culted will they still appear to be mafia and cult?

[Clawtrocity]

Mafia members appear as Mafia members forever.

Cult members appear as cult members forever.

Culted Investigator shows up as Culted.

Culted Mafioso shows up as Culted and Mafia

Cultist that was a Mafioso shows up as Culted and Mafia

[AscendedOne]

Thanks, what about the framer interaction with culted allies? (Both when he is culted and when he is not culted as to say that this statement includes cult members who were never mafia) Can GF recombine a mafia member to cult chat if he feels like it?

[divemaster127]

Whats the difference between a revolutionist and a cult leader. also what happens if a ghost gets recruited by cult

[Clawtrocity]

I'm not sure if the GF can re-add a banished Mafia member. He probably will be able to ask us to do it for him, but he actually has the ability to remove people himself.

Framer only makes the target appear as a random mafia member. No cult sub-alignment will occur.

If he frames a culted Investigator then the results will appear back as a random mafia member.

Revolutionist can only recruit citizens and only needs 2 days to start killing (2 new recruits). Cult leader can recruit anyone but masons and revolutionized citizens and needs 6+ days to start killing.

If the ghost is recruited by the cult then the Ghost will change win conditions he no longer wants his killer to die, but if he dies he still gets the killers name and gets to possess someone. That new person will become a culted possessed (Old role) and will be in full control by the ghost. Sheriffs see them as cult and investigators see them as Occultist rezzed/Disguised disguiser/possessed ghost. They will only want the cult to win so with the name of a killer they can be a very strong ally for the cult to recruit.

[divemaster127]

Oh ok thanks also isnt a oculist a town aligned role that kills itself and bring back another player.


Edit: Are revolutionist town aligned?

Another edit: will ghost be able to possess everynight and will he be able to possess after hes completed his objective

[Clawtrocity]

Revolutionists are neutral.


You are [Occultist]
You may choose each night whether you wish to trade your own life for one of those in the graveyard. If you choose to swap places with a dead man your body will remain intact, but you will swap souls and the dead man will be able to take over your body as his old role. This is to be used wisely, but strategicly. If you perish before you can transfer off then nothing happens. If, however, you are in the process of the ritual, the spirits will heal your body allowing the new owner a second chance.
If you receive a bulletproof vest or a gun, you will receive instruction on their use.
You want the mafia and evil neutrals to lose.

[AscendedOne]

If he frames a culted Investigator then the results will appear back as a random mafia member.


Perhaps you misunderstand the question? I'm not asking if his frame target is a cult if he would appear to be a mafia to. I'm asking if a culted mafia member would make the frame relative to him appear to be culted.

Does an occulist revive allow their target to keep their role? What if the target was culted? Do they get unculted? Does the ability change any if occulist is culted?

[Clawtrocity]

Framer only makes people look like a random mafia role that is present on the team.

If there are 9 mafiosos 1 framer then the framer result has a 90% chance to be Mafioso even if all mafioso's are culted. 10% chance to be Framer even if framer is culted. It will never appear to show sub-alignment.

Occultist will rez people exactly how they were before they died. If he is culted he shouldn't target non-culted people in the graveyard. If he is unculted then he shouldn't target culted people in the graveyard.

@Divemaster

Ghosts can only possess once after they die. They can't possess any other time.

[AscendedOne]

Occultist Rezed target/Disguised Disguiser/Possessed Ghost person

Ok so why did you add the investigative details? How does the occulists death appear to be when he uses his ability relative to a disguiser?

[Yayap]

Since we are waiting for current Game Mods to officially end the game and that none of them are online. I'm going to go make supper. I'll be watching the forums for any updates.

[Clawtrocity]

Occultist Rezed target/Disguised Disguiser/Possessed Ghost person

Ok so why did you add the investigative details? How does the occulists death appear to be when he uses his ability relative to a disguiser?


It's hidden. No one appears to have died since the person being rezzed gets the occultists account and gets to use his original ability. The info is there so disguisers and possessed ghost have something to fall back on. There may be more than 1 occultist as well. You never know.

The rezzed person, the dead people, and the occultist will know. The Ghost will only know if someone specifically posts about it in the ghost's special chat. The ghost won't see normal dead chat unless he dies as a possessed person.

[AscendedOne]

If the occulist is killed on the night he revives someone, does his revive still go through? What about if he is roleblocked? If the revive does go through does that mean his target would immediately die? Does his target get his will? Is his target informed of his will?

What about witching? If he is forced to target a person who dies that night does he revive him?

[Clawtrocity]

If the occulist is killed on the night he revives someone, does his revive still go through?

Yes


What about if he is roleblocked?

If he is role blocked no rez goes through. If he is attacked and role blocked the same night he dies.


Does his target get his will? Is his target informed of his will?

Target gets his will.

[AscendedOne]

So does the target see his will?(by getting his will I ment is if the occulist will is automaticly his will) And what if he is targeted by a killer? Does his revive target die? What affect does a witch have on him?


(post repeats unanswered questions)

[philie]

Can you name what alignments those possible new weird roles have
Does the witch get to be mafia like in some mafia variations?

[AscendedOne]

Also can someone link me to the revolutionist? I'm not entirely sure where it is or what it is.

[Clawtrocity]

You are [Revolutionist]
You have the ability to recruit one member each night. Choosing a citizen will result in them becoming a revolutionist. Choosing a Burning Legion Member, Arsonist, or Betrayer results in the death of the member sent to do the recruiting. If you have at least 3 members you may also choose to kill 1 player each night. You can not send the same player to kill and recruit.
If you receive a bulletproof vest or a gun, you will receive instruction on their use.
You want only Revolutionists and Citizens alive at the end of the game.

I've answered all your questions Ascended.

Target is shown his will. The revive target doesn't die unless the occultist was roleblocked making the revive never happen. All this is in the role card I linked already.

[AscendedOne]

I've answered all your questions Ascended.


Incorrect but thanks for answering the ones you did. Linking to ones you didnt.



Does his target get his will? (As to say does the target's will automaticly start as occulist's will)

What about witching? If he is forced to target a person who dies that night does he revive him?

[CaressMeTenderly]

All right.
What happens if the witch targets an occultist to target the witch and the witch gets shot by the vigilante but the doctor heals the witch HOWEVER the witch gets roleblocked by a consort WHO gets killed by the serial killer who is burned by the arsonist?