Day 5

[FM Ferengi]

Day 5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp3qiOKuEBM

And so they died.

Oh well, so it goes.

And we all knew that they would.

Another Savage died. Name was Ballard. FM Ballard. He investigated for them, I think. A Savage Investigator.

And a guy named Bekowsky. FM Bekowsky. He was just a Citizen

Not much to him, but it didn’t matter here.

I turned this world into a warzone...and I can’t stop it.

We’ll just have to see what happens now...the bloodlust was growing fast.

-Aldous Ford
May 25, 2013 A.F.


One article was submitted this evening to the London Times this morning:


Hello, I am a replacement. Delta is my role, so only the Journalist knows who and what I am now. Nothing has happened to me during ANY nights. Very boring. :(

I have skimmed thought a lot of the previous days and enjoyed FM Buchwalter's information and I have to say, I will listen to what he says and I put my trust in him.

My previous owner thought of Monroe being scummy, so I will be watching him/her. But I will be looking into what mostly happens next than what has happened to try and spot the scum.

I have nothing else to add to this. But I will be engaging into this more now. I wish my side the best of luck and look forward to posting.


Graveyard:
FM Gage (Architect) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM McKelty (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Bishop (Detective) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Becket (Corrupt Journalist) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Cohen (Arsonist) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.
FM Morgan (Savage) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Biggs (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Bekowsky (Delta) - Overdosed on laced soma.


Role List:
Godfather

[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[s][Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

Not Crossed Off:
FM Morgan (Savage)
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator)

Anonymous Accounts:
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Becket
FM Bekowsky
FM Biggs
FM Bishop
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Cohen
FM Colmyer
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Gage
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM McKelty
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Morgan
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Night 6 begins at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9%3A00+pm+PST%2C+May+26th%2C+2013

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[FM Parker]

Do savage kills read as "overdosed on laced soma? Can you answer my question at the end of Day 4?

I was bus driven.

[FM Kelso]

Just passing through... nothing happened to me.
I will be busy this weekend so maybe I won't be very active.
Still, I'll do my best to stay informed of what happen this day and try to post my though about any future situation.

[FM Earle]

Earle still lives.

Earle is not Mafia. Earle advices Savages to get their revenge on someone else.

[FM Earle]

Earle contributes.

Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather[Hidden Savage]
[Hidden Savage][Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

6 Mafia, 3 Savages, 17 Town, 2 Unknown alignment.
28 Total, 15 to lynch.
Town will lose majority in 2-3 days.

[FM Earle]

Earle makes corrections.


Earle contributes.

Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Hidden Savage]
[Hidden Savage]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

6 Mafia, 3 Savages, 17 Town, 2 Unknown alignment.
28 Total, 15 to lynch.
Town will lose majority in 2-3 days.

[FM Earle]

Earle greets the 4 other users reading this thread.

[FM Parker]

Earle is supposing the savages converted each night. Parker points out this is likely a mistaken assumption given the number of non-convertable roles in the game and the 2/3 chance of the presence of a mason enforcer.

[FM Earle]

Parker seemed to suggest that Mafia got a gun or soma.

[FM Ferengi]

Suppose the ghost doesn't die then does the ghost lose? I figure this would be a yes but I want to be certain. If the ghost could win by surviving, he'd be an OP survivor.
Yes. If the ghost does not die then he loses.



Do savage kills read as "overdosed on laced soma? Can you answer my question at the end of Day 4?

Sorry, I didn't see your question earlier. See above for the answer. Savage kills do not read as "overdosed on laced soma".

[FM Earle]

Death Descriptions:
These are the various types of kill sources that will be identified.

Soma Dealer kill (normal, interceptor, or poisoner, no difference)
Savage kill
Cleaned kill (Janitor clean, Devourer clean, Disguiser jump, etc.)
Blacksmith gun kill
Bodyguard duel
Jailor/Devourer execution (no difference)
Mason Clubbing
Vigilante kill
Veteran kill
Evil Neutral Kill (Arsonist burn, serial killer, or spree killer, no difference)
Jester grief


Perhaps not blacksmith. Earle was mistaken. Soma, poisoner with no feedback or interceptor.

[FM Earle]

Earle feels ignored.

Disappointed, Earle leaves for the rest of the day.

[FM Parker]

Poisoner nor interceptor very remote. Mayor likely done goofed. Earle not ignored.

[FM Black]

Seemed like a very long and boring night. Almost feels like a week pasted while waiting for day.

So does this mean GF got ahold of soma since savages do not get the same kill desc?

[FM Black]

If so, an alpha knows who the GF is.

[FM Parker]

@Black, Soma is received at the start of an even numbered night. The alpha can pass it on that night. The target would be receiving notice today.

Therefore, it is the first soma we need to track.

That soma was received and passed night 2.

On night 3, the recipient could receive or use the soma. Logically, he passed it (that's the way we get to this result).

On night 4, the Godfather killed.


Probable conclusion, the mayor has a lead on the mafia (but not the GF). The mafia likely attempted to kill the mayor if they figured out the target's identity.

The bus driver likely knows who the mayor is.

[FM Parker]

To be clear

First soma night 2 - generated
night 3 - mayor passed (probably), mayor could have held and passed right to the GF, but my bet is the mafia held it for cover
Day 3 - feedback given to recipient
night 4 - target passed
Day 4 - GF notified of recipient
Night 5 - GF uses soma to make two kills

[FM Ryan]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. No, I was not interviewed by Journalist. And nothing happened to me tonight.

I was bussed on Night 4, though. Considering the bus driver interview, I can conclude that there are really 2 bus drivers, or at least one of then is kidnapper. I was surprised to see that Ballard flipped Savage Investigator. Which now makes me think that Cafarelli may not nessessary be the town Investigator. I won't be surprised if Mafia were the ones who actually pushed the lynch on Biggs.

If you look at our current events, no Mafia has been lynched or killed yet. We have to change that flow somehow and lynch our first Mafia today. I have already collected most of the information from the past days and night, though I can't still get a clear reading on some people yet. So i'll be joining this discussion today to learn more about you.

[FM Parker]

The night also told us Cafarelli is not likely a savage investigator since Ballard was one.

I will bet Ballard was recently converted given his FoS on me yesterday. Hopgood tagging along for no clear reason suggests he is a savage as well and should be smacked.

Congessman, nice to see you.

[FM Parker]

I like Ackerman's suggestion that Cafarelli is the consigliere. She was right on with Phelps due to his reaction. That should not have happen. Cafarelli should not have withheld information.

Reflecting on this. Will be back in my real world morning.

[FM Ryan]

I remember Cafarelli's investigation result on Phelps, and I'm thinking... What is Phelps could be actually the Witch?

At first I though the he could be Mafia, but now that tides has changed, I think that he could be either town escort or witch. You already said before that him being ghost is quite unlikely.

[FM Galloway]

Hello everyone, I am a replacement. No, I was not interviewed by Journalist. And nothing happened to me tonight.
Post a thought on the people that posted so far so that we can determine if you have been paying attention along the way.
I was bussed on Night 4, though. Considering the bus driver interview, I can conclude that there are really 2 bus drivers, or at least one of then is kidnapper. I was surprised to see that Ballard flipped Savage Investigator. Which now makes me think that Cafarelli may not nessessary be the town Investigator. I won't be surprised if Mafia were the ones who actually pushed the lynch on Biggs.
The first half of this is hopwash flipantcy. 2 buss drivers. No wait. one is a kidnapper. Make up your mind already "replacement." However I can agree with you on Cafarelli. It seems way to conventint that savage had an investigator and cafa gave out some accurate feedback late into pressure/days like he did. Suspect actions that is.
If you look at our current events, no Mafia has been lynched or killed yet. We have to change that flow somehow and lynch our first Mafia today. I have already collected most of the information from the past days and night, though I can't still get a clear reading on some people yet. So i'll be joining this discussion today to learn more about you.
scummy.


I have a few questions for Parker if he is here.

[FM Hogeboom]

Hello everyone, reporting in to say that nothing happened to me.

[FM Galloway]

Scum could possibly be:
Cafarelli (Savage (Godfather) using Savage Investigator to help him look townie)
Hopgood
Hmm... This... Is... Interesting...
Sad to see Colymyer go. I believed him
I had no ideas he was arson, I did it for the lulz
This game need some lulz from there and then
Otherwise it would just be 100 percent all hardcore serious players
Sometimes a good lulz will help us like the dead arson
-vote FM Parker

This guy seemed scummy in my book
Earle (active lurking and sheeping)
Ackermann (lurking and refusal to do more to help town)
Dunn (Lurking like Ackermann)

Cafarelli being an outed investigator with the drug dealer being pretty much confirmed in this setup is one [bleep] mind[bleep] coincidence to think about. How could he be so accurate with this pair of information? I truly believe, based on his late reveals and such, that he is a savage hiding out for the investigator. I'd suggest him outing his information now and seeing if his accuser confirms it or nor but thats really really risky if he hit a town pr. I'd support pressure and if he reacts badly, a lynch. Plus (corrupt) Journalist message suggests that we'd have two Investiagtors and with the drops so far I highly doubt thats the case.

We seem to have some resemblence of a journalist and I believe they should remain hidden untill such a time that their information gathered is of much more use than it would be so far. Right now it looks like we are just outting town prs for no reward in the case of a revealing journalist.

Parker brought up the theory of a mayor and personally I am in favor of having a hidden mayor to confirm himself to catch a scum in their own trap than revealing just to have a confirmed town.

Green and Ryan have..shown to be interesting subjects so far and based on the fact that Ryan just revealed that he is a replacement I would suggest that Green is much much scummier than Ryan in that regard with playstyle alone.

[FM Galloway]

Two others lookin at this thread. What are you lurking for?!

[FM Ryan]

I find Earle somewhat weird. Yeah, he does not look like town in my eyes, but there is something that caught my eye. It's "Bus Driver" interview. Look what he writed there about Earle:


FM Earle – I know who this person is, im pretty sure. Clearly town.

What does he mean by that? How he can be sure that Earle is town if he never did anything to him? I'm in deep thoughts now...

[FM Black]

Are you suggesting Earle could have been the interviewee?

[FM Black]

Or perhaps Earle is known by the interviewee, such as a teammate?

[FM Ryan]

Yeah, you are exactly reading my thoughts, Black. Though I believe that it's probably second option.

Anyway guys, can you confirm that you were switched in that order?


On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe

On the second night I swapped Dunn and Lichtman.

On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou

On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan

[FM Earle]

Earle feels the need to defend himself. A good man Earle is.



Earle (active lurking and sheeping)

Earle is a wolf. A sheep not.


Are you suggesting Earle could have been the interviewee?

Earle do not accept interviews.


Or perhaps Earle is known by the interviewee, such as a teammate?

Savage Earle is not.

[FM Earle]

Earle notes that 5 non-towns are currently browsing this thread.

[FM Carruthers]

What does he mean by that? How he can be sure that Earle is town if he never did anything to him? I'm in deep thoughts now...

He's more of a lurker. There is not that many clues given

There is two options how he knows, A. He is a scum team mate, B. COM discovered.
Try not to get into the COM-hunting as that would violate a rule.

[FM Black]

Earle feels the need to defend himself. A good man Earle is.



Earle is a wolf. A sheep not.



Earle do not accept interviews.



Savage Earle is not.

I was actually suggesting mafia, but savage is a decent thought as well.

[FM Rose]

if Cafarelli was a mafia then he wouldn't have told uss who the escort is, he would have kept his results for his team and kill phelps during the night.
I really doubt that phelps is a escort since escorts are immune to roleblock and the mafia would know who he is if they failed to roleblock him.
I think phelps is the witch or blackmailer.

Fm Phelps

[FM Rose]

No one claimed to be witched yesterday when phelps was blocked.

[FM Rose]

And i was swapped by a bus driver tonight.

[FM Rose]

Soma Dealer kill (normal, interceptor, or poisoner, no difference)

I think the mafia have a interceptor or poisoner. They might be using the drug dealer to hide the poison notification.

[FM Ryan]

I was planning to vote Phelps as well, but because I have my doubts on Cafarelli... I won't vote yet. I would like to hear first what our "escort" Phelps has to say.

There is also a rare chance that Rose could be the Godfather, but it's not possible for Rose to be Mafia Godfather if Cafarelli could be the consigliere. Savage Godfather is still possible though. Rose is not acting like Jester would, and Survivor here is HIGHLY unlikely. Something you should keep in mind, especially during endgame days.

[FM Cafarelli]

disclaimer: this is a RAGE post!

I have SINCERE doubt in the brain of anyone who STILL doubts that i'm a FUCKING INVEST. IQ must be less than 70 guys which means you are LITERALLY retarded...
LMFAO savage invest just DIED and masons had 3 FUCKING NIGHTS
obviously you cannot make ANY logical conclusions. you shouldn't have signed up imo

and then some RETARDED FUCKTARD calling himself probably 'mayor' passes soma to the FUCKING MAFIA instead of the CONFIRMED invest, how FUCKING RETARDED IS THIS i could have invested MUCH MORE PPL, how to use soma fuckign better?? that 'mayor' must have turned against town


I was surprised to see that Ballard flipped Savage Investigator. Which now makes me think that Cafarelli may not nessessary be the town Investigator.
that conclusion is just made without ANY brain, logic, thinking, ...
do you really think the savages have TWO INVESTIGATORS??? do you think they converted the town's invest instead of converting a FUCKING CITIZEN AS INVEST??? this is RIDICULOUS, NEXT (replacement) pls!


I like Ackerman's suggestion that Cafarelli is the consigliere. She was right on with Phelps due to his reaction. That should not have happen. Cafarelli should not have withheld information.

Reflecting on this. Will be back in my real world morning.

i did NOT WITHHELD INFORMATION. also you're (once again) talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT, withholding information is often essential!


tonight i was FUCKING DRUGDEALED AGAIN
what is this SHIT
what the FUCK is the busdriver(s) doing?? I fucking said MULTIPLE(!!) TIMES i would need one. but NOO. the busdriver(s) rather goes MAD and ANNOUNCES who he drives, rofl
THIS is your fault busdriver, you are a fucking hero: last night i was drugged AGAIN!!!!!!! i was not drugged last night so i think the drug dealer was roleblocked. i said block same, but noo what are escorts doing of course...
i might aswell commit suicide, with all the drugs i will get an overdose soon anyway... unnecessary to say that you all piss me off, i cant even collect information and the doubt in me is RIDICULOUS as fuck. the mafia made me their FUCKING BITCH and i DONT WANT TO BE THEIR BITCH, it's a fate worse than death. they could kill me anytime but decided this would be better.
but town and especially busdrivers, if you do not need my results then what am i doing here. you even know how it feels to make up and see YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY INFORMATION, NOT EVEN A FUCKING MAIL

bye i need to calm down, this is all information you'll get for today:
FM Phelps
witch, bm, consort.

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

[FM Cafarelli]

one more drug without any bd doing something against it = addicition => death
means: suicide

over and out

[FM Earle]

Earle thinks that Cafarelli is blackmailed and forced to vote Phelps, most likely.

Else Cafarelli is Savage Godfather angry that Mafia killed his investigator, even more likely.


LMFAO savage invest just DIED and masons had 3 FUCKING NIGHTS

Mayor and Mason Enfocer?


do you really think the savages have TWO INVESTIGATORS???

You cannot investigate anymore because Ballard is dead.


tonight i was FUCKING DRUGDEALED AGAIN

Results on Phelps was a lie then?


ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen.

Cafarelli lies!


in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right

New recruit?


fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits.

Your last gambit?

[FM Buchwalter]

Morning all!

Nothing to report, I will post my tally list in a bit, plus something special i have been cooking up.

So if anyone have some more feedback for me to note down, do share.

[FM Earle]

'mayor' passes soma to the FUCKING MAFIA instead of the CONFIRMED invest,

Dead/roleblocked/drugged/savage/mafia investigator is soma wasted.

[FM Cafarelli]

Earle thinks that Cafarelli is blackmailed and forced to vote Phelps, most likely.

Else Cafarelli is Savage Godfather angry that Mafia killed his investigator, even more likely.



Mayor and Mason Enfocer?



You cannot investigate anymore because Ballard is dead.


Results on Phelps was a lie then?



Cafarelli lies!


New recruit?



Your last gambit?

nope i am not blackmailed, phelps is scum. learn 2 read maybe, this night i wasnt drugged. dd rbed or something
the rest you say is RIDICULOUS AS FUCK pls suicide aswell, not even gonna respond to that shit

and yes, drugged is soma wasten but this wouldn't happen if bd wasnt SO FUCKING RETARDED
and better waste than get 2 kills you FUCKTARD

[FM Earle]

Fake read on Phelps? Never thought about that? No no... such possibilities cannot happen to Cafarelli.

Inexperienced Cafarelli is.

[FM Cafarelli]

whut

[FM Earle]

-Fake role feedback (i.e. Your target is a Mafia Architect / Architect / Jailor / Devourer)

IQ is 71 perhaps. Maybe so.

[FM Cafarelli]

lol no not possible question was already asked. why you defend scum?

[FM Black]

I'm detecting a strange change to Caff.... I see alot of stupid...plently of rage/troll... I'm suspecting blackmail? Not to sure....

[FM Black]

i did NOT WITHHELD INFORMATION. also you're (once again) talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT, withholding information is often essential!


Actually you stated that you were going to withhold information in a clear and concise sentence. You wound up revealing it though.

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, passing the soma to an invest is likely moronic if the mayor would think the investigator is likely to be bussed. The mayor would lose control over the soma.

Rage all you want but I don't think you are anywhere near death.

Willing to answer questions Galloway.

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, I am not seeing this soma addiction thing you are talking about.

[FM Hopgood]

Hey guys, read day 5, 3 pages isnt bad for me, it seemed caf is raging on something, (he could be blackmailed, or he is just extremely pissed off) and earle is sudden more active than most days

To be honest here, this game is kinda hard for me because i have attention disorder, so reading hundreds and hundreds of posts get my mind floating off topic.
Like for example when you guys were talking about blackmailed and stuff, i was thinking what if i was blackmailer, i could do a lot of cool blackmails even though i am not blackmailer or even part of mafia
For example, Hello (name) i want to play a game. You have 48 hours to do blah blah blah. Live or die. Make your choice.
That just one of them, my mind waver so much during this game
Will probably never FM again because its too hard for me, dont replace me i want to experience this just once.

[FM Galletta]

Greetings.

Last night I was roleblocked.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.

[FM Cafarelli]

I'm detecting a strange change to Caff.... I see alot of stupid...plently of rage/troll... I'm suspecting blackmail? Not to sure....
there is really nothing stupid/trolling in my posts.


Actually you stated that you were going to withhold information in a clear and concise sentence. You wound up revealing it though.
incorrect, i said i was going to tell you later

Cafarelli, passing the soma to an invest is likely moronic if the mayor would think the investigator is likely to be bussed. The mayor would lose control over the soma.

Rage all you want but I don't think you are anywhere near death.

Willing to answer questions Galloway.
yea maybe i'm not near death but i will be drugged again and again if no bd stops it

Cafarelli, I am not seeing this soma addiction thing you are talking about.

lol yea that's a metaphora of me suiciding if you all go on like this, especially the bd

[FM Cafarelli]

and lol no i am not blackmailed (i wouldn't say this if i was). what do you think they blackmailed me? "rage all day" ? that's pretty pointless.
and now lynch phelps

[FM Earle]

Earle for one will not be on this Phelps train.


Earle is supposing the savages converted each night.

Earle made a mistake. Back to lurking Earle will. See you all on Day 6. Maybe Day 7. Lets see.

[FM Parker]

Greetings.

Last night I was roleblocked.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.

Ballard was shot by the mafia and he turned out to be a savage. I'm not sure if anyone had the same enthusiasm at the end. I figured Ballard might be a savage due to his flip if he wasn't blackmailed. The fact he flipped savage is not a shock to me, and the other guy Hopgood should be clubbed (sorry newbie).



@Galloway Unless the arrogant ass mayor documented who received the first soma in their message, the mayor might be forced to reveal to track his/her first soma. Revealing who has the soma puts a huge target on the recipient's back.

Lucky for us, the first recipient must give us the Godfather or be lynched. There were only two bussed claims yesterday. That means either two people withheld (unlikely), or a bus driver/kidnapper was roleblocked. I find the latter more probable.

I disagree with the journalist bus driver assertion that there are two bus drivers. The mafia would have put a specific name on their blackmail if they wanted that target lynched. The blackmail would be useless if a lurker comes on and posts he's town. A lurker all of a sudden defending Colmyer would be more useful (in case Colmyer was bussed twice). I still buy a kidnapper in the game.

[FM Ryan]

Calm down, Cafarelli. We'll make it somehow. For now I'm going to put my trust in you. Let's hope that you were right.

Anyway, Phelps is our only solid lead, so if you don't have anything else I suggest that we vote Phelps today. Looking forward to his "defence".

-FM Phelps

[FM Buchwalter]

Last night I was roleblocked.
That is one role-block down at least. Possibly two more to go.


Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.
A little sad to see he was Savage, had marked him down as town. But I guess that was mostly based on how he was day 1, and he most likely was town at that time. Same reason I though Morgan was town, but yeah reading people really is not my thing.



@Cafarelli:
What did you mean in your ragey post? I'm not sure I really understood what you said had happened to you.



FM Phelps
Lets see what Phelps has to say for his defends.

[FM Parker]

and lol no i am not blackmailed (i wouldn't say this if i was). what do you think they blackmailed me? "rage all day" ? that's pretty pointless.
and now lynch phelps

How have your investigations always been accurate if you've been drug dealed? I think having a consigliere suicide is very beneficial at this point. We might have gotten all the usefulness we will get from you.

Do not vote Phelps. Carafelli is much scummier and lynching her gives us information on Ackerman as well, because he was certain Cafarelli is scum. If Cafarelli flips town, we are guaranteed a mafia in Ackerman. That's also setting aside the moronic mayor confirming who the Buck stops with.

Phelps can be roleblocked. Carafelli shockingly has not been roleblocked and I think possibly not drugged.

[FM Ryan]

FM Phelps

I made a typo out there...

[FM Parker]

FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather / ???

killed Ballard
killed Bekowsky

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Parker
bussed Rose

Escort / Consort

blocked Galletta

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown



Notable Posts:

Cafarelli

Confusing rage post. [#39] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325435&viewfull=1#post325435)



Lynch Trains:

Phelps

Being "Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost". [D4 #528] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324396&viewfull=1#post324396)



Tally Archive:

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)
Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=322227&viewfull=1#post322227)
Day 3 version of this list. [D4 #526] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324391&viewfull=1#post324391)

[FM Ryan]

You forgot the Witch feedback claim. Why did you lynch poor Biggs anyway?

[FM Buchwalter]

How have your investigations always been accurate if you've been drug dealed? I think having a consigliere suicide is very beneficial at this point. We might have gotten all the usefulness we will get from you.

Do not vote Phelps. Carafelli is much scummier and lynching her gives us information on Ackerman as well, because he was certain Cafarelli is scum. If Cafarelli flips town, we are guaranteed a mafia in Ackerman. That's also setting aside the moronic mayor confirming who the Buck stops with.

Phelps can be roleblocked. Carafelli shockingly has not been roleblocked and I think possibly not drugged.


FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.

Interesting none the less, I'm still confused on a few of the things Cafarelli in his ragey post. But I do wanna hear what Cafarelli have to say to this.

[FM Buchwalter]

You forgot the Witch feedback claim. Why did you lynch poor Biggs anyway?

Did I? Or what do you mean? Who claimed witched? And when?

[FM Parker]

FM Cafarelli

I HATE THAT NAME!!! ARGH!

@Ryan, Biggs's lynch gave information to the town, his claim was improbable and he acted pretty scummy. It was a good lynch and confirmed either the witch or Cafarelli was lying about being drug dealt.

[FM Ryan]

I read the whole Day 1-4 shit after being replaced. Apparently Biggs claimed that he was witched twice, but you chose not to believe him and lynched him on the spot.

Who started out the lynch train on Biggs in the first place? I'm sure Mafia was involved in that.

[FM Buchwalter]

FM Cafarelli

I HATE THAT NAME!!! ARGH!

@Ryan, Biggs's lynch gave information to the town, his claim was improbable and he acted pretty scummy. It was a good lynch and confirmed either the witch or Cafarelli was lying about being drug dealt.

Sadly we learned that there is indeed a Witch in game. At least I see no reason that a Delta would lie about being witched.

[FM Parker]

I read the whole Day 1-4 shit after being replaced. Apparently Biggs claimed that he was witched twice, but you chose not to believe him and lynched him on the spot.

Who started out the lynch train on Biggs in the first place? I'm sure Mafia was involved in that.

I take responsibility for starting the lynch for the reasons I detailed above. I didn't think that it was likely to catch the any random and figured that Biggs was a savage using witched claims to communicate. The presence of witch was unlikely. Attacking a delta twice was unlikely. He wasn't posting a lot to take the heat off PR roles. Not mafia but I was the big driving force behind that lynch Ryan.

I found it much more likely that Biggs was lying about being a delta. I was wrong, but the loss to the town was minimal and we gained a lot of information that day.

[FM Chapman]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

[FM Chapman]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

I'll be back as soon as I can.

I'm waiting for Phelps to show up before I pass judgment on him.

For now, fm Lichtmann
Lets get that scum.

[FM Chapman]

Don't even know what happened there

[FM Mason]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

I'll be back as soon as I can.

I'm waiting for Phelps to show up before I pass judgment on him.

For now, fm Lichtmann
Lets get that scum.

You misspelled Phelps

[FM Parker]

Hello lurkers, post please.

This Phelps train has no evidence. The Cafarelli train does. This makes NO [bleeping] sense!

[FM Mason]

Hello lurkers, post please.

This Phelps train has no evidence. The Cafarelli train does. This makes NO [bleeping] sense!

It's not a train if it only has one vote! It's like a ...car...or something.

[FM Parker]

Mason, I was including the other days when I called it a train, it's derailed to one car though. Cafarelli has a [bleep] ton of evidence pointing to him as scum.

1) Always right on investigative pairing despite being the obvious drug deal target
2) Has admitted to lying about investigating Cohen but the lie was accurate
3) Claims she could become addicted to soma and die, when pressured on this, he cannot find that in the setup
4) Is timing investigative reveals to allow for no analysis
5) Is leading a lynch on a possible PR role with no reason
6) When I question Cafarelli on the reason why his investigations are always right, he vanishes.
7) The mafia didn't kill Cafarelli with two shots and Cafarelli was not bussed. If Cafarelli was a town investigator, the mafia should have SHOT him. Give the mafia two bullets and they don't even fire them at the invest... WT*.
8) Cafarelli cannot be the savage investigator because the savages are not allowed to recruit as a role already in their setup.
9) Because Cafarelli cannot be the town or savage investigator, he is the consigliere.

That's just in a SINGLE day. Furthermore,

1) The journal entry at the end of Day 4 called Ackerman 100% not mafia.
2) Ackerman was convinced that Cafarelli was the consigliere.
3) Lynching Cafarelli confirms Ackerman's likely non-mafia status for all, not just the journalist bus driver from day 4.

[FM Earle]

Earle is back.

Earle made his decision. Earle will try to get himself killed tonight so that Earle is not an interesting target to be converted.

Earle will use his decades of experience and make intelligent posts.

[FM Mendez]

Ok from what I've read this is the summary

-Yesterday late in day Cafarelli revealed Phelps as bm/consort/escort/witch/ghost
-Admitted to lying about Cohen's investigation but still accurate.


ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

I'm trying to find the post were you said lying = scum. I do not believe that is true, but it seems obvious that you guessed his role. What I found most suspicious is that Mafia has not killed you after you revealed Cohen, with the kidnapper they have no reason not to if you are a legit invest. This would also explain how you knew that Cohen lied about the poisoning feedback.

Going to hold my vote until Phelps shows his defense. Right now I think Parker is on the right track. Also this suicide business reminds me of Brostin from FM 13. Suiciding is anti-town if you are actually an investigator.

[FM Parker]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.

[FM Earle]

Earle's often useful player impression list. Sorted by strong medium weak impression.


FM Ackerman
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Mafia should be shaking in their boots now. Kill Earle tonight, Mafia must.

[FM Parker]

Earle assumes Kalou is mafia when journalist bus driver cleared him. Earle is wrong. Earle is also uncertain about Ackerman despite him being cleared. Earle's list needs a lot of work.

[FM Earle]

Earle already made lots of accusations against Cafarelli. Sure did during Cohen train. Stood with Phelps Earle had. Nay, nothing more to say.

On Phelps, Earle thinks. More respectable than other self proclaimed town leader. Sure is. Phelps being called scum, Earle did not understand.

[FM Earle]

Earle assumes Kalou is mafia when journalist bus driver cleared him. Earle is wrong. Earle is also uncertain about Ackerman despite him being cleared. Earle's list needs a lot of work.

Read legend Parker must. Red means weak impression. Or lurker. Maybe stupid. Certainly not useful. Perhaps too busy to contribute.

[FM Parker]

Oh Earle's legend is not strong medium weak on mafia... just if Earle has figured them out. Gotcha Earle.

Parker wants to know which faction Earle has Buchwalter in. Parker thinks Buchwalter is an active lurker.

[FM Mendez]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.
Sorry I don't want to appear to be com hunting. If I recall, he was a paranoid sheriff and tried to prove his investigation by day suiciding and proving he was sheriff. FM13 paranoid sheriff always found target as scum. Not sure if it's relevant, Cafarelli's actions just reminded me of it.

[FM Mendez]

Oh Earle's legend is not strong medium weak on mafia... just if Earle has figured them out. Gotcha Earle.

Parker wants to know which faction Earle has Buchwalter in. Parker thinks Buchwalter is an active lurker.

Mendez wishes Parker would stop talking like this with Earle.

[FM Parker]

Ok. I'll try to get Earle to contribute without talking in third person.

[FM Mendez]

Ok. I'll try to get Earle to contribute without talking in third person.

@Parker, I have a theory that Ballard was using his quacks to signal his results on those he investigated to the rest of the cult. I plan on going through his posts to see if there was any kind of pattern.

@Earle, Why do you have yourself labeled as a medium impression?

[FM Buchwalter]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.

I'm waiting TV with my girl-friend, so can not post too much.

[FM Parker]

@Mendez, I think that's a good idea. I would suspect quacks are more easily communicated as failed conversions or what not. A pattern would be good. I'm going to look as well. The sheepy reasoning by Hopgood onto me suggests that he is also a savage.

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

@Buchwalter, right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*

[FM Buchwalter]

right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*

Most of my weekends go with watching TV with my girl-friend or doing homework lately. I do read what is going on, just can not post too much as my girl-friend get annoyed at me.

I did read and agree with a lot of your points, I did say day 2 that all we had from Cafarelli was his word. If Cafarelli really did lie about having checked Cohen, it means that all the things that confirm Cafarelli as town was a lie.

hidden message?

[FM Buchwalter]

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

Earle's list is not that bad, you just think about it wrong. The list show who Earle think is being useful, not who he trust.


@Earle, Why do you have yourself labeled as a medium impression?

This I do find funny to, but Earle knows that he him self is not helping a whole lot.

[FM Monroe]

Looks to me like Cafarelli is trying to fake being blackmailed so she can get away with another day of being completely unhelpful while we focus on Phelps.
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[FM Monroe]

I mean if she was really blackmailed to rage like mad, she wouldn't be deliberately trying to confuse people about feedback she received like this.


last night i was drugged AGAIN!!!!!!! i was not drugged last night so i think the drug dealer was roleblocked. i said block same, but noo what are escorts doing of course...

Drugged again last night. Not drugged last night. Requests to block the same, yet drug dealer was not in the pairing she posted on Phelps and if anything, what feedback we had yesterday indicated that a bus driver or kidnapper may have been blocked at the time. Now she claims to have guessed Cohen's pairing right on a role of which no evidence existed and implies that she was drugged night 3, as well as night 1. The latter of which seems extremely doubtful.

Also Parker it is not confirmed that Cafarelli isn't savage investigator, because if I read the rules right they could still try to recruit her normally.


You may not -recruit players as [insert hidden gamma roles] that are duplicates of hidden gamma roles currently in the cult.
This only mentions the recruit as option. Not the normal recruit player option.

Using the recruit as option on a gamma role would have made an investigator a standard savage.

If you -recruit a gamma or epsilon as [insert hidden gamma role], they will lose their role abilities and become savages.

Also the idea that Cafarelli may be a consigliere didn't come from Ackerman originally. Hogeboom posted it first at the start of the day, and Cafarelli seemed to feel the need to discourage his thoughts with what seemed like a very hollow defense.

www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323553&viewfull=1#post323553 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323553&viewfull=1#post323553)



The witch is probably real as the random any.

I do think the arsonist only managed to douse scum and dead people, as Cohen was talking about the mafia screwing him over and wanting to return the favor. He was likely really looking for mafia. If my assumption that nobody got blackmailed night 1 is true, then either the mafia waited with their blackmail to pick a good target after a day of seeing people talk or the blackmailer was roleblocked.

Galletta has become very silent since the start of the game and was one of the first people Cohen decided to pick on. Maybe she's trying to keep us from comparing her writing style to those blackmail messages? Maybe Cohen doused her and tried to connect the dots from there? This is just a hunch and I'm not sure I'm willing to act on it yet.

Hi everyone, nothing happened to me.


What if the Mafia decided to throw the Arsonist under the bus? One of their people (Biggs) was doused, they saw Cohen's claim and let Cafarelli, their Consigliere, check him as to have confirmation. Then he pushed the lynch with a different accusation (him being Drug Dealer or what was it?), knowing that Cohen was the Arsonist which would give Cafarelli credibility.

Of course, I could also be talking out of my ass.
cohen said the mafia screwed him over because they didn't drug deal me that night or anything else to prevent me from checking him. the mafia just let him die, probably they even supported the lynch to look protown. so yes, i agree with you that he indeed tried to get the mafia.
however i am not a consig, i really thought he was mafia after i received that pairing, because noone ever claimed doused. even cohen said he thinks i'm an investigator and the mafia wouldn't lynch the arsonist.

Don't give Ackerman too much credit. I don't trust the article that was posted at the end of yesterday for multiple reasons.

[FM Mendez]

@Mendez, I think that's a good idea. I would suspect quacks are more easily communicated as failed conversions or what not. A pattern would be good. I'm going to look as well. The sheepy reasoning by Hopgood onto me suggests that he is also a savage.

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

@Buchwalter, right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*
Looking over his quacks. There is no distinct pattern in quacks, just looks like regular RPing. For the most part he only uses a few quacks. He slowed down with the RP a lot on day 3 on.

From the OoO in setup
19. Savage Godfather Recruits
20. All Kills (-1)

So we know that Morgan was converted either n3 or sometime before and Ballard was converted either n4 or before. From Ballards post day2 #449 -

1) Rose is suspicious for not answering me yesterday. Lichtmann is a cunt.
2) I had a feeling it'd be a shit lynch.

Originally Posted by FM Kelso
Currently reading...
Nothing happenned to me.
Colmyer is annoying
OMG 2 journalist article.

That's what I can say so far. Will be back after reading all them posts.
Scum.

Ackerman is a much better lynch target, I've explained why already, yet no one gives a fuck.
We can either conclude that none of these players are savages or that he was not converted into Cult yet.


Monroe, in the article from yesterday it said that you were bussed on the first night with Mason. Is this true?

[FM Earle]

Earle used the word impression. Easy to remember. They exist. For better or worse. Even spammers making empty posts will give strong impressions.

[FM Parker]

@Monroe, I will admit that it's theoretically possible that Cafarelli is the savage investigator. Yet, I'd be surprised if the Mason Enforcer (supposing we have one) wasn't all over Cafarelli. The host couldn't have excluded both Enforcers and Clubbers since Mayor is a unique role. One of the two must be here. Masons would have been on Cafarelli from Night 3 on. The odds of her being a savage investigator are so ridiculous though.

Ballard was likely "recruited as" no logical explanation for plain recruiting him IMO. Why would they do that though if Cafarelli was already a savage investigator? In fact, they couldn't. I cannot see a possible, plausible way for Cafarelli to be the savage investigator.

I also cannot see why Cafarelli is not dead nor attacked ever.

[FM Parker]

Monroe, separate post for easy quoting here, why don't you trust the bus article?

[FM Phelps]

First things first.

Congratulations on the delta lynch... Again. Delta's die like flies in FM 18 its really insane.


I am Escort. FM Cavarellis feedback on me is legit. I am addicted to sex. It's true!

I still don't really understand why he revealed me that late on Day 4. I am sorry that i have to say this but i suspect him to be a savage at this point.
Who tried to reveal me to the mafia/witch so they can shoot me or abuse my night power because i am not recruitable. Still there is still the possibility that he is town.


Also i was roleblocked last night again which i highly doubt was the same person like the night before. Because if the block target is immune you get the feedback as Escort/Consort.
There is a slight possibility that i was drugged last night or the night before but this makes not much sense out of the perspective of the mafia. Except they tried to fake block me so their consort can block somebody else
and claim the block on me afterwards.



N1 random blocked Colmyr
- blame random.org for that one

N2 blocked FM Chapman
- Chapman looked like he tried to convince us that there is no blackmailer on day 1. Which really looked like a scum tell to me. If you remember the last FM where the CP9 witch did
the same thing, denying that there is a witch i thought that Chapman was the same guy. I am a big fan of meta gaming. I go for it if i have the chance. His vigilante claiming looked
like some cheap WIFOM to me. Therefore i ignored it


N3 blocked FM Kelso
- He was one of the voters of McKelty on Day 1 with whooping 10 posts with no real content, It was him or Chapman on N2 for me but decided to go for him on N3 instead.
Also he was sure about that FM Cohen was poisoned. How could he know if he isn't mafia himself?
After Cohen flipped Arsonist i got suspicious. It fitted well with a mafia who actually knew what really happened N2. So they might have thought they found an ally.
I didn't vote for Cohen as well because i figured the COM out behind the guy and he abused the meta very well to auto fool me.
Good play chap!


N4 blocked ????
- He didn't claim the block on Day 4. I am not sure why.
I will reveal him if you want to but at least i am giving him a chance to do it himself.


N5 blocked FM Galletta
- Overreaction on day 1. almost no posts from day 1 - 4. Sounded unnecessarily arrogant.
She only tried to contribute if she was called out before most of the time.
I suspected a mafia/savage who abuses that lurkers almost never get checked or called out.
She claimed a block n1 as well and i didn't see anyone showing signs of a blackmail when i backtracked the days.
Colmyr and Morgan both claimed that they were blackmailed N2 so there was still a blackmail missing on N1.



There you go. Like i said. the N4 target should probably come out or not depends what you guys want and claim the block.
Your decision. He was not roleblock immune.

Your call... Will be back soon need mah breakfast. :P

Playboy, Zigarettes and a cup of Coffee! Or i just change over to whisky cola. Weekends are awesome!

[FM Phelps]

Sweet i ve got my own page for that post! Anyways laterz.

[FM Earle]

I also cannot see why Cafarelli is not dead nor attacked ever.

Unoriginal idea. Copied from Earle's genius observation on Day 3.

Mafia must be itching to kill Earle the prodigy now. Earle is glad.

[FM Monroe]

For the record, I think Ballard was recruited on night 2, maybe night 1.

He started off seeming quite helpful on day 1, but halfway through he posted some weak arguments against Ackerman and ever since then he never really tried to have a leading role during the day again. He did try to act pro-town with his voting behavior, yet he didn't follow up much on some of the leads he posted. One thing that stood out to me for example was that he said he was going to look for posters using English spelling. I do not remember seeing him post his finds.

I did happen to find some from Phelps.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321930&viewfull=1#post321930

ok so who was interviewed twice? It's either FM Colmyer , FM Morgan or FM Cohen. If it's FM cohen he is definetly scum. if FM Cafarelli speaks the truth. But then again the behaviour makes no sense for any sort of mafia play i could imagine. Where is he anyway? Usually he should be around by now.

The savages should be at 3 ~ 4 members by now. Also they have to decide if they kill -OR- if they recruit. I don't expect to see them killing people before N5


My gut tells me that FM green and FM fountaine are scum.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323872#post323872


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FM Kelso http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=323584#post323584)

What a wonderful day!

Nothing happened to me this time.

Cohen was arsonist... omg.

I though of someting about that though... since we know there is a DD in game, is it possible that somehow, the mafia teamed up with the Arsonist and the DD gave the no feedback drug on the one that were doused?

Also, I don't fully understand why Galletta is suspicious right now.

This makes no sense


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FM Kelso http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=323794#post323794)
Nothing is set in stone right now.

You are the main suspect right now, we need to look at every possibility. If you turn scum, Biggs is 80% town since you tried to vote him. But, As I said earlier, it could be a trick to make us think that Biggs is town.

Anyway, let's gather more information before jumping to conclusion too early.

@Rose : I'm paying attention to this game. I try to help town as much as I can.





Why does a scum flip of Lichtman make Biggs town to 80%? We have Mafia, Savages and probably a witch.


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FM Kelso http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=323858#post323858)
I suspected he would be DD. (Since the poisoning feedback thing)
And no one wouldn't be suprised by this arsonist flip since there were no dousing at all. (At least no one claimed it)



This makes no sense.


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FM Kelso http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/images/styles/DarkCore/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=323867#post323867)

That's what I said...



I don't know what make no sense here... please explain.




You are welcome.

I like this colour i might stick to it!
So the investigation pairing Cafarelli posted on Phelps includes Blackmailer and may have been accurate.

[FM Earle]

Monroe claimed that Phelps gave night actions from his Consort teammate.

Earle is not convinced.

[FM Earle]

Monroe just proved that Phelps indeed suspected Kelso.

[FM Monroe]

If Phelps' escort claim is true, then the second block probably came from a consort.

First off he is alive, so if the mafia blocked him first they could simply have killed him last night and a lot of information would've been lost. The only deterrent might have been the suggestion to place a lookout on Phelps, which would result in the savages finding the mafia godfather and they wouldn't want that.

An escort wouldn't need to block him because roleblockers were requested to target the same players again, which means if he wasn't immune to roleblock, someone else would already be blocking him.

[FM Parker]

There is a big problem with your analysis on two fronts Monroe. First, why wouldn't the mafia be drug dealing Cafarelli to throw off his results?

Second, if Ballard was converted as an invest night 1 or 2, the savages couldn't have hit Cafarelli like that. Ballard was "recruited as". Cafarelli was just plain old recruited then. Yet, the savages would have been required to get around the masons. Plus, WHY ISN'T CAFARELLI DEAD if she's a savage?


Also, there is benefit to keeping Phelps alive and roleblocking him with a consort. It provides a distraction lynch. The lookout would see someone visiting Phelps and assume it was an escort without thinking due to the Prior FOS.

[FM Earle]

Monroe should answer Mendez's question. Bussed were you not. Stole soma, I believe you did.

[FM Earle]

Never mind. It's night 1.

[FM Mendez]

Greetings.

Last night I was roleblocked.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.
Glad you didn't read yesterdays chat and gave Phelps an easy claim if he is scum.

[FM Mendez]

Never mind. It's night 1.

Yes. He prolly was just trying to wait to confirm the BD later. Except since the information has already been revealed, I want to see if it's accurate.

[FM Phelps]

If Phelps' escort claim is true, then the second block probably came from a consort.

First off he is alive, so if the mafia blocked him first they could simply have killed him last night and a lot of information would've been lost. The only deterrent might have been the suggestion to place a lookout on Phelps, which would result in the savages finding the mafia godfather and they wouldn't want that.

An escort wouldn't need to block him because roleblockers were requested to target the same players again, which means if he wasn't immune to roleblock, someone else would already be blocking him.

- I am roleblock immune. read the rolecards and the feedback messages. If i get roleblocked by an Escort/Consort the guy gets feedback out of it like in sc2mafia.
- godfather is immune to lookouts.
- I am from Europe we learn Oxford English at school. All of us. I am not a native Speaker. Constructing blackmails like those from Day 2 would be too much effort for me. I am a lazy person by nature.



Glad you didn't read yesterdays chat and gave Phelps an easy claim if he is scum.

This makes no sense because it exactly happened like i claimed. I roleblocked FM Galletta yesterday. Her claiming before my reveal or after it wouldn't have changed a single thing.

[FM Parker]

@Phelps, not sure how admitting you're from Europe helps your cause. The play that Colmyer was forced to quite from is European. Somehow, the blackmail PM doesn't sound like you. I'm pretty sure that you are town and that both Buchwalter and Carafelli are indeed scum.

[FM Phelps]

@Phelps, not sure how admitting you're from Europe helps your cause. The play that Colmyer was forced to quite from is European. Somehow, the blackmail PM doesn't sound like you. I'm pretty sure that you are town and that both Buchwalter and Carafelli are indeed scum.

Being honest is never bad.

[FM Monroe]

Of course, it's also possible that Phelps is a consort and that Cafarelli the consigliere claimed a result on him after she saw that he got roleblocked. This would earn her town cred in case an escort tried to push a lynch on him later, which was undoubtedly going to happen.

It's interesting that at the start of yesterday, Phelps listed Cafarelli as one of the players he trusted most. Then towards the end of the day he makes a 180 and calls her savage investigator.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323658&viewfull=1#post323658

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

@FM Galloway: I don't even know what i should answer to you. You are just a [bleep]. This guy town leader? Don't make me laugh Chapman. His reasoning is pretty weak. He would lead us to 1 faillynch after another. No thanks.

Right now i trust: Ballard, Parker, Monroe, Cafarelli and that's it.

PS: Stop adding text into quotes. It has a tendency to be ignored by half of all the players in this game. It's a psychological phenomen. Don't do that.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324369&viewfull=1#post324369

Cafarelli is probably a savage by now and i bet some weird Blacksmith gave her a vest so the Masons can't club her....

What doesn't make sense to me with this theory though is why someone blocked him again. Though of course he could be lying about it if he is mafia, it's not clear to me what the gain would be for them.

[FM Parker]

Monroe, there are about 8 pages between the two posts that you quoted from Phelps. That's plenty of time to do a 180 on who you trust in this game.

[FM Monroe]

Monroe, there are about 8 pages between the two posts that you quoted from Phelps. That's plenty of time to do a 180 on who you trust in this game.

Not if the person doesn't post anything in that time.

[FM Earle]

Earle do not think Buchwalter is scum. Certainly not mafia. Unlikely to be Savage. But can still be Savage Godfather. Earle thinks Buchwalter is useful. Let this scum work for town.

[FM Ryan]

Ok, Phelps, can I ask you a question?

Do you believe that Cafarelli is a Mafia consigliere? Or he could still be the town investigator? He gave your sex away, after all.

I don't believe that Cafarelli could be savage. Sure, it's possible that he could be related to Ballard, but in my opinion, Cafarelli simply was in bad luck after mafia killed Ballard. Worst case, we lynch Cafarelli and lose another town investigative role. Do you want to accept that risk?

[FM Monroe]

Have to go do a chore. Will be back to answer your questions in a moment.
[/quote]he/a/ds[quote]

[FM Parker]

Have you ever heard of listen twice as much as you talk? That seems to be Phelp's motto.

I'm convinced Phelps is town and the mafia got on early to lynch him. No one has given me a straight answer on how Carafelli is alive and never drugged to get a wrong answer if she's not consigliere.

I will have to go in about half an hour, for several hours. May have post by phone access.

[FM Mendez]

- I am roleblock immune. read the rolecards and the feedback messages. If i get roleblocked by an Escort/Consort the guy gets feedback out of it like in sc2mafia.
- godfather is immune to lookouts.
- I am from Europe we learn Oxford English at school. All of us. I am not a native Speaker. Constructing blackmails like those from Day 2 would be too much effort for me. I am a lazy person by nature.




This makes no sense because it exactly happened like i claimed. I roleblocked FM Galletta yesterday. Her claiming before my reveal or after it wouldn't have changed a single thing.
It does make sense. You claiming you did something after it has already been said is a lot different than you saying you did something and then they confirm it. It seems obvious that you are actually a roleblocker, not sure about alignment yet.

Parker can you explain your thoughts on why Buch is definitely scum? I see him actively lurking with tally posts as you said, but nothing that is significantly scummy.

I will leave this here for now.
FM Cafarelli

[FM Parker]

It does make sense. You claiming you did something after it has already been said is a lot different than you saying you did something and then they confirm it. It seems obvious that you are actually a roleblocker, not sure about alignment yet.

Parker can you explain your thoughts on why Buch is definitely scum? I see him actively lurking with tally posts as you said, but nothing that is significantly scummy.

I will leave this here for now.
FM Cafarelli

I can prove Buchwalter is scum, based on what I know and what he's not saying. Proving it beyond that requires a substantial risk to the town. If I die, lynch Buchwalter and smash Hopgood.

[FM Phelps]

Of course, it's also possible that Phelps is a consort and that Cafarelli the consigliere claimed a result on him after she saw that he got roleblocked. This would earn her town cred in case an escort tried to push a lynch on him later, which was undoubtedly going to happen.

It's interesting that at the start of yesterday, Phelps listed Cafarelli as one of the players he trusted most. Then towards the end of the day he makes a 180 and calls her savage investigator.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323658&viewfull=1#post323658


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324369&viewfull=1#post324369


What doesn't make sense to me with this theory though is why someone blocked him again. Though of course he could be lying about it if he is mafia, it's not clear to me what the gain would be for them.

Cavarelli was afk for almost the whole day until near the end. Before that he was one of the strongest posters. Apparently he did a 180° turn himself. Usually people change their playstile when they change winning objectives as well. An Investigator has to proof any day a new that he is town in a setup like this. It's typical meta behaviour for a fresh culted who has some town trust from the days before. Basicly he is outlasting the pro town reputation he accumulated so far.

[FM Earle]

Earle is not a sheep. This vote is from Day 3.

FM Cafarelli

Unless we have confirmation from Mason, Cafarelli is already a Savage in my books. Earle thinks Cafarelli is converted on Night 3.

[FM Earle]

FM Phelps (3 [L-11]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9320)
FM Rose (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325428), FM Cafarelli (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325435), FM Ryan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325488)
FM Cafarelli (3 [L-11]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9295)
FM Parker (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325495), FM Mendez (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325583), FM Earle (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325587)
FM Lichtmann (1 [L-13]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9313)
FM Chapman (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=325502)

Earle is siding with thinking people. Earle proud.

[FM Earle]

Soma mystery remained unsolved. Whence disappeared soma without lace?

[FM Earle]

Earle will leave these questions to the "4 users browsing this thread". Excluding Earle obviously.

[FM Phelps]

Ok, Phelps, can I ask you a question?

Do you believe that Cafarelli is a Mafia consigliere? Or he could still be the town investigator? He gave your sex away, after all.

I don't believe that Cafarelli could be savage. Sure, it's possible that he could be related to Ballard, but in my opinion, Cafarelli simply was in bad luck after mafia killed Ballard. Worst case, we lynch Cafarelli and lose another town investigative role. Do you want to accept that risk?

I am not sure but i doubt that a mafia consigliere would out deltas at day so the cult can get free recruits. Also the lynch on Cohen was based on the fact that Cohen told us that he lied about his poisoning and the pairing with the 2 mafia roles and the Arsonist. The town roles on Cohen's pairing were way too risky to push for a misslynch. Vigilante can just shoot him to proof himself. Bus driver claims his swaps and wont get lynched easily. The veteran would have kille dhim the night he checked him. Especially with the play from Cohen.

The Savage theory looks more realistical because an outed delta pairing can still be recruited another night where the clubber has other targets and mafia wont shoot a revealed elta pairing anyway. This makes pretty good recruits for the later stages of the game. Then the Cohen pairing had only 1 role on it which was recruitable: The Student. If you can't recruit it lynch it right? Still the same risk as for the consigliere applies, which makes this a bit doubtful as well. Then the pairing of myself has only the ghost as possible recruit. I am a liability for the savages.
They will be happy to see me getting misslynched. There is a possibility that Cafarelli is another savage role and got his reads from Ballard from their night chats or with a code.

The Town Theory. He is an investigator who speaks the truth and everything happened like he said. From the drugging from N1 for no feedback, lucky mafia i guess. To n2 the check on rose. To n3 claiming feedback block but got the right feedback guessed from Cohen. Pretty good. Then he was drugged again last night for no feedback. Sounds a bit unlikely but its possible. I wouldn't scratch that from the list.

Since i am not sure about his alignment i am still not voting him.

[FM Parker]

The savage theory is imfucking possible unless there is no mason enforcer or the enforcer is a dumb ass. Plus, the mafia would be required to WANT Cafarelli alive. Why? They could easily kidnap Cafarelli and have the Godfather shoot the other guy he's bussed with. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Night 1 - 2, Savages recruit Ballard as a savage investigator. "Recruit as" and getting an investigative role would be a high priority for the savage godfather.
Day 2 - Carafelli outs as an investigator
Night 3 - Mason Enforcer/Clubber on Carafelli.
Night 4 on - Enforcerer on Carafelli.

Conclusion: Carafelli could not have been plain old recruited. Because the savages cannot "recruit as" a role that's already present in their lineup. Cafarelli is almost certainly not a savage.

Cafarelli's investigations are almost always right and the mafia haven't tried to kill or bus him once. It should be pretty damn obvious that he's mafia or this is one hell of a fake lynch set up.

[FM Buchwalter]

@Phelps, I'm pretty sure that you are town and that both Buchwalter and Carafelli are indeed scum.

What have i done to appear scummy to you? Apart from reading more then I post.

[FM Parker]

What have i done to appear scummy to you? Apart from reading more then I post.

Answer: It's what you're not saying.

[FM Monroe]

Alright, I'm back. Your arguments against Cafarelli being a savage invest are valid. Ballard and Morgan were likely first, so that means she wasn't a delta that got converted into a savage invest night 1 and false claimed drugs.

Now let's tear that article apart.


To answer some things. There are 2 Bus Drivers. I am one. I deduce that there is another based on Colmyr’s being swapped into what appears to be a Blackmail sent to someone else. This could have been some elaborate scheme to cause a suicide but that seems Farfetch’d.
Oh gee, now I believe that all of the bus drive feedback comes from 2 bus drivers! The true BD shouldn't trust the claim from the interviewee if they're forced into a claim. Absolutely.


I also do believe it is safe to assume we have a true Journalist left, I suggest they claim within a few days as they are confirmable via their feedback, and we have a lot of protective roles.
OK.


On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe
- Because Yolo
I did not get bus driven. This is a lie.


On the second night I swapped Dunn and Lichtman.
- Dunn did not look likely to be attacked.
- Lichtman looked possibly blackmailed.
OK


On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou
- Kalou was full lurker, but gained town points for me by not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2
- Becket was evidently using empty posts to appear relevant
Conveniently drove a target that died and conveniently caused the death of scum. Kalou absolutely deserved town points for not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2/page10?p=320297#post320297

-vote FM Monroe

A good pressure vote will help us gather information on a person that would troll reveal as a Mayor.

This reasoning therefore makes perfect sense.

Oops.


On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan
- Morgan looked scummy to me since the early game
- Ackerman had garnered some accusation and I anticipated the Mafia might kill him to cause confusion.
Another scum killed thanks to the bus driver! Go you! This is getting more and more likely.


Tonight I will be swapping Parker somewhere. Or maybe not. Who knows?
OK

Now come the reads, most of which show absolutely solid reasoning.

FM Ackerman – 100% chance of not being Mafia
This could not be used to buy a mafia member some trust for the time being at all. Or create the illusion that the mafia wants the town to trust him... Undecided on this one.

FM Ballard – not certain what I think of him after his turn on Parker
Conveniently killed by the mafia the next day.

FM Bekowsky – seemed to hit the game with a lot of energy. Not sure where that went.
Lots of energy! He had like 3-4 posts a day and 2 of them had substance.

FM Biggs – I expect he will be lynched, im really not sure
FM Black – Seems pro-town
FM Buchwalter – Seems pro-town
Whatever

FM Cafarelli – I’m not set
States everyone else's thoughts

FM Carruthers – I have not seen this person post, to my knowledge
lol

FM Chapman – talks about savages a lot, could be evil
OMG

FM Donnelly – seems scummy
Well I suppose he does.

FM Dunn – needs to talk more.
OK

FM Earle – I know who this person is, im pretty sure. Clearly town.
Is that so?

FM Fontaine – No read
OK

FM Galletta - Town
Meh

FM Galloway – Seems pro-town
K

FM Green – My lead for the Witch
FM Hogeboom – Seems scummy
FM Hopgood – possibly Mafia
Why?

FM Kalou – 100% chance of not being Mafia
Same as Ackerman. Include fishy bit about bus driving.

FM Kelso – scummy on some level
FM Leary – no read
FM Lichtmann – Could be the Jester or a Ghost, but doesn’t directly seem Town
FM Mason – seems town
K

FM Mendez – no read
No read on one of the most active contributors? Hello interviewee.

FM Monroe – likely savage
Of course. Make me look like scum some more. Loving it.

FM Parker – blatantly town
Maybe

FM Phelps – town?
Yep, throw in some anonymous support for Phelps. Handy if he is indeed consort or blackmailer.

FM Rose – no read
FM Ryan – scummy as hell
Whatever.

Conclusion:
False reasons for bus driving. Convenient swaps with dead people. What if Cafarelli is consigliere and got swapped on night 3 to ensure any investigative roles would leave her alone after that and this article is supposed to cover for here? Ever think about that?

Also a complete lack of reasons for the reads posted on each individual, which makes them pretty much useless unless you're just trying to manipulate popular opinion to call people suspicious or try to clear people from suspicion because it somehow benefits you.

[FM Buchwalter]

Answer: It's what you're not saying.

Ah yeah. I just read your post above.

Give me a moment to write this down.

[FM Parker]

I have got to run. Will be back soon. Meeting in thirty minutes. Too long of a post by Monroe to write a coherent response in time. I will reply when I get back.

I already announced having to go.... I hope to be back in a couple hours.

[FM Cafarelli]

FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.

you fucktard don't read so well huh
5 night, 3 times drugged, 2 real pairings. rose and phelps i checked. so i was accurate only once without a check. that was on cohen. i thought he was a drug dealer actually and took this pairing because with that pairing i figured the most chances to get him lynched. i knew he was scum. that he was actually in the pairing but arso was pure luck. but if i was another scum role i would just have told you that i lied.


Mason, I was including the other days when I called it a train, it's derailed to one car though. Cafarelli has a [bleep] ton of evidence pointing to him as scum.

1) Always right on investigative pairing despite being the obvious drug deal target
already answered. always is bullshit and the one time lucky
2) Has admitted to lying about investigating Cohen but the lie was accurate same as 1 lol
3) Claims she could become addicted to soma and die, when pressured on this, he cannot find that in the setup rofl do you even read? i think i can very well commit suicide
4) Is timing investigative reveals to allow for no analysis for an analysis you need more than 10 hours? rofl
5) Is leading a lynch on a possible PR role with no reason he is scum
6) When I question Cafarelli on the reason why his investigations are always right, he vanishes. going away is no auto scum?
7) The mafia didn't kill Cafarelli with two shots and Cafarelli was not bussed. If Cafarelli was a town investigator, the mafia should have SHOT him. Give the mafia two bullets and they don't even fire them at the invest... WT*. doc is most likely on me. so they cant kill me. because either they have no kidnapper or they're trying to make us believe they have none. killing the invest using a kidnapper wouldnt support this. also why kill a guy who is accused by FUCKTARDs when they can just drug deal him to lower his credibility even more?
8) Cafarelli cannot be the savage investigator because the savages are not allowed to recruit as a role already in their setup. actually true
9) Because Cafarelli cannot be the town or savage investigator, he is the consigliere. nope town

That's just in a SINGLE day. Furthermore,

1) The journal entry at the end of Day 4 called Ackerman 100% not mafia. that's bullshit, might still be mafia if they used their kidnapper or if the interview was a lie. +might be savage ofc
2) Ackerman was convinced that Cafarelli was the consigliere. because he's as dumb as you are
3) Lynching Cafarelli confirms Ackerman's likely non-mafia status for all, not just the journalist bus driver from day 4. nope how confirms accusing and lynching an invest anyone as town?
answers in white, i dont care if you read it phelps^^
so parker why are you even playing FMs if you can't open your mind? this is all you're talking about. you're totally focused on me and forget all other scums. and you started d2. before and after the cohen lynch, you never changed
i think you're a FUCKTARD but i think you were town. now you're probably savaged


Ok from what I've read this is the summary

-Yesterday late in day Cafarelli revealed Phelps as bm/consort/escort/witch/ghost
-Admitted to lying about Cohen's investigation but still accurate.


I'm trying to find the post were you said lying = scum. I do not believe that is true, but it seems obvious that you guessed his role. What I found most suspicious is that Mafia has not killed you after you revealed Cohen, with the kidnapper they have no reason not to if you are a legit invest. This would also explain how you knew that Cohen lied about the poisoning feedback.

Going to hold my vote until Phelps shows his defense. Right now I think Parker is on the right track. Also this suicide business reminds me of Brostin from FM 13. Suiciding is anti-town if you are actually an investigator.
no lying =/= scum. but in cohen's case it was clear.
suiciding as invest is LESS antitown than LYNCHING that invest. i will suicide if i am at L-1 if you're really so retarded and if possible so you can lynch phelps.


Earle already made lots of accusations against Cafarelli. Sure did during Cohen train. Stood with Phelps Earle had. Nay, nothing more to say.

On Phelps, Earle thinks. More respectable than other self proclaimed town leader. Sure is. Phelps being called scum, Earle did not understand.

well the mafia ain't gonna think youre a pro if you accuse townies and defend scums (phelps)


- I am roleblock immune. read the rolecards and the feedback messages. If i get roleblocked by an Escort/Consort the guy gets feedback out of it like in sc2mafia.
- godfather is immune to lookouts.
- I am from Europe we learn Oxford English at school. All of us. I am not a native Speaker. Constructing blackmails like those from Day 2 would be too much effort for me. I am a lazy person by nature.




This makes no sense because it exactly happened like i claimed. I roleblocked FM Galletta yesterday. Her claiming before my reveal or after it wouldn't have changed a single thing.
lol where exactly you live. i think you're talking bullshit. we learn both, english and american and then we all stick with the american because it's more common

a fuck you're escort, noone blocks a block immune target twice. you're not even consort. you not revealing the n4 target makes you even scummier, what reason for letting him tell? you should tell so he can confirm it not vice versa. also you said n4 blocked ???. whereas if you knew who was blocked you'd write '...'. slip i guess

[FM Phelps]

I think you should calm down a bit. The savages can still win even with 2 people down so far ;)

[FM Buchwalter]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman



bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed
(redirected BMed)

attacked



3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked


attacked



5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop

attacked






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked






9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention







10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
BMed
bussed
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed






16
FM Earle








17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3

blocked by #34



20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed







23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker




bussed



34
FM Phelps



blocked
blocked



35
FM Rose




bussed



36
FM Ryan








These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).

[FM Buchwalter]

Earle right now Parker seem asking me something that you should know the answer to, but I do not know how to do this the best way.

[FM Buchwalter]

[TABLE]
These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).


Please do point out any information I may have missed.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather / ???

killed Ballard
killed Bekowsky

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Parker
bussed Rose

Escort / Consort

blocked Galletta
blocked Phelps

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown



Notable Posts:

Cafarelli

Ragey post. [#39] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325435&viewfull=1#post325435)

Phelps

Claim Escort. [#101] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325550&viewfull=1#post325550)



Lynch Trains:

Phelps

Being "Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost". [D4 #528] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324396&viewfull=1#post324396)



Tally Archive:

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)
Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=322227&viewfull=1#post322227)
Day 3 version of this list. [D4 #526] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324391&viewfull=1#post324391)


Table with all accounted night actions:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325608&viewfull=1#post325608

[FM Donnelly]

Hey guys. I'm on my phone and I don't have much time, so I'm just checking in. Sorry about the formatting in advance. Nothing happened to me last night. I should be on for a few hours tonight, so I'll post more then. I was skeptical of cafarelli until he lynched the arsonist. After that I figured he was probably town since neutral evils can win with other scum. But then he waited until the end of the day to reveal his results on Phelps, and now he says he never even checked cohen. It's very suspicious. I think he might be a savage who was getting codes from Ballard in order to speak for the savages without risking Ballard's life. If so, claiming he was drugged last night would be very convenient since Ballard died and couldn't give him results today. Let's see if I can do vote tags on my phone... FM cafarelli

[FM Cafarelli]

some more clarifications


That is one role-block down at least. Possibly two more to go.


A little sad to see he was Savage, had marked him down as town. But I guess that was mostly based on how he was day 1, and he most likely was town at that time. Same reason I though Morgan was town, but yeah reading people really is not my thing.



@Cafarelli:
What did you mean in your ragey post? I'm not sure I really understood what you said had happened to you.



FM Phelps
Lets see what Phelps has to say for his defends.
what exactly didnt you understand?


You forgot the Witch feedback claim. Why did you lynch poor Biggs anyway?
really, who claimed witched today?


FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.
how does lynching an invest more for the town than lynching scum?


FM Cafarelli

I HATE THAT NAME!!! ARGH!

@Ryan, Biggs's lynch gave information to the town, his claim was improbable and he acted pretty scummy. It was a good lynch and confirmed either the witch or Cafarelli was lying about being drug dealt.
i like my name
and no he wasnt lynched to confirm my drug deal, that was confirmed anyway because cohen lied. he was lynched because it confirms the witch or his lie. most of us never thought he was drugdealed. lie or real witch were the possibilities. i may be an exception, i didnt doubt there was a witch but he didnt look like a citizen to me

Hello lurkers, post please.

This Phelps train has no evidence. The Cafarelli train does. This makes NO sense!
your so called 'evidence' sux balls. phelps however HAS evidence because i CHECKED him


Most of my weekends go with watching TV with my girl-friend or doing homework lately. I do read what is going on, just can not post too much as my girl-friend get annoyed at me.

I did read and agree with a lot of your points, I did say day 2 that all we had from Cafarelli was his word. If Cafarelli really did lie about having checked Cohen, it means that all the things that confirm Cafarelli as town was a lie.

hidden message?
no no, there are a lot of things still confirm that i'm town
is invest because
-got 2 right pairings

is town because:
-risked a lot with the cohen gambit, helped town alot by doing so

is not savage because:
-dead savage invest
-masons

is not mafia because:
-lynching arsonist, an ally of mafia



Looks to me like Cafarelli is trying to fake being blackmailed so she can get away with another day of being completely unhelpful while we focus on Phelps.
heads

lol i never was completely unhelpful. even yesterday with almost no time i outed a scum to make it possible to block him again. but yes yesterday i couldnt be so helpful as on the other days


I mean if she was really blackmailed to rage like mad, she wouldn't be deliberately trying to confuse people about feedback she received like this.



Drugged again last night. Not drugged last night. Requests to block the same, yet drug dealer was not in the pairing she posted on Phelps and if anything, what feedback we had yesterday indicated that a bus driver or kidnapper may have been blocked at the time. Now she claims to have guessed Cohen's pairing right on a role of which no evidence existed and implies that she was drugged night 3, as well as night 1. The latter of which seems extremely doubtful.

Also Parker it is not confirmed that Cafarelli isn't savage investigator, because if I read the rules right they could still try to recruit her normally.


This only mentions the recruit as option. Not the normal recruit player option.

Using the recruit as option on a gamma role would have made an investigator a standard savage.


Also the idea that Cafarelli may be a consigliere didn't come from Ackerman originally. Hogeboom posted it first at the start of the day, and Cafarelli seemed to feel the need to discourage his thoughts with what seemed like a very hollow defense.

www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323553&viewfull=1#post323553 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323553&viewfull=1#post323553)


Don't give Ackerman too much credit. I don't trust the article that was posted at the end of yesterday for multiple reasons.
i am not confusing ppl, it's the truth. i said multiple times i'm not blackmailed. blackmailed tasks cannot contrain "do this AND claim not blackmailed"


Cavarelli was afk for almost the whole day until near the end. Before that he was one of the strongest posters. Apparently he did a 180° turn himself. Usually people change their playstile when they change winning objectives as well. An Investigator has to proof any day a new that he is town in a setup like this. It's typical meta behaviour for a fresh culted who has some town trust from the days before. Basicly he is outlasting the pro town reputation he accumulated so far.
you, sir, must learn to differ between style and availability. additioannly today i will probably be again like d2 and d3. so actually nothing ever changed. apart from my mood




[B]#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman



bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed
(redirected BMed)

attacked



3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked


attacked



5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop

attacked






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked






9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention







10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
BMed
bussed
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed






16
FM Earle








17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3

blocked by #34



20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed







23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker




bussed



34
FM Phelps



blocked
blocked



35
FM Rose




bussed



36
FM Ryan








These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).

you forgot my other drug deals

[FM Ryan]

Uh... I said I was bussed on night 4, can you add it, Buchwalter? It was the night before you lynched Biggs.

[FM Cafarelli]

no no, there are a lot of things still confirm that i'm town
is invest because
-got 2 right pairings

is town because:
-risked a lot with the cohen gambit, helped town alot by doing so

is not savage because:
-dead savage invest
-masons

is not mafia because:
-lynching arsonist, an ally of mafia

forgot:
is not mafia because
-drug dealed 3 times

[FM Phelps]

some more clarifications


what exactly didnt you understand?


really, who claimed witched today?


how does lynching an invest more for the town than lynching scum?


i like my name
and no he wasnt lynched to confirm my drug deal, that was confirmed anyway because cohen lied. he was lynched because it confirms the witch or his lie. most of us never thought he was drugdealed. lie or real witch were the possibilities. i may be an exception, i didnt doubt there was a witch but he didnt look like a citizen to me

your so called 'evidence' sux balls. phelps however HAS evidence because i CHECKED him


no no, there are a lot of things still confirm that i'm town
is invest because
-got 2 right pairings

is town because:
-risked a lot with the cohen gambit, helped town alot by doing so

is not savage because:
-dead savage invest
-masons

is not mafia because:
-lynching arsonist, an ally of mafia


heads
lol i never was completely unhelpful. even yesterday with almost no time i outed a scum to make it possible to block him again. but yes yesterday i couldnt be so helpful as on the other days


i am not confusing ppl, it's the truth. i said multiple times i'm not blackmailed. blackmailed tasks cannot contrain "do this AND claim not blackmailed"


you, sir, must learn to differ between style and availability. additioannly today i will probably be again like d2 and d3. so actually nothing ever changed. apart from my mood


you forgot my other drug deals

I don't get it why you tunneling me so hard. Yesterday near the end of the day you weren't sure if i am scum but revealed the pairing anway. Why? to expose me to mafia or the witch? Do you think it's pro town to out an Escort? I gave you ALLMOST all my night actions to look over them. Please feel free to go back to day 1 - 4 and LOOK for yourself if i didn't call the people out which i blocked!
If you still have questions after doing that feel free to ask me.

Do you really think i made them all up over 4 days? Really? Holy shit SCUM MVP right here!!111 Derp.

I will reveal the N4 block if you guys want to later in the game when the person had enough time to claim it himself.

Just for the record. I didn't misslynch 2 Deltas.

[FM Buchwalter]

what exactly didnt you understand?

you forgot my other drug deals

These, at what nights?


really, who claimed witched today?

No one so far.


no no, there are a lot of things still confirm that i'm town
is invest because
-got 2 right pairings

is town because:
-risked a lot with the cohen gambit, helped town alot by doing so

is not savage because:
-dead savage invest
-masons

is not mafia because:
-lynching arsonist, an ally of mafia

A few of does points do make sense yes, but most of them is still just your word.

I agree you can not be Savage Investigator, because my understanding of the setup say that there can not be two.
You can still however be Savage and have been getting information from Ballard.
I would also say we can not count on the Masons too much.

So yes you are either Investigator, Consigliere, or Savage.

[FM Buchwalter]

Uh... I said I was bussed on night 4, can you add it, Buchwalter? It was the night before you lynched Biggs.

Sure thing! But I will wait a page or two before posting the list and table again.

[FM Ackerman]

Yeah, you are exactly reading my thoughts, Black. Though I believe that it's probably second option.

Anyway guys, can you confirm that you were switched in that order?

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

I read the whole Day 1-4 shit after being replaced. Apparently Biggs claimed that he was witched twice, but you chose not to believe him and lynched him on the spot.

Who started out the lynch train on Biggs in the first place? I'm sure Mafia was involved in that.
I did, view it as you may.


Alright, I'm back. Your arguments against Cafarelli being a savage invest are valid. Ballard and Morgan were likely first, so that means she wasn't a delta that got converted into a savage invest night 1 and false claimed drugs.

Now let's tear that article apart.


Let me summarize this article is BS, see above.


Sure thing! But I will wait a page or two before posting the list and table again.

Please include my n3 claim from this post it's highly important.

[FM Mason]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

I'm so proud of you. Let's kill these liars dead.

[FM Mendez]

I'm going to be posting in Gold because it was impossible to respond with just quoting your post. I tried my best to edit out the useless "ok's and omgs" and respond only to the content. If there is something you want me to clarify or answer that I edited out, let me know.



To answer some things. There are 2 Bus Drivers. I am one. I deduce that there is another based on Colmyr’s being swapped into what appears to be a Blackmail sent to someone else. This could have been some elaborate scheme to cause a suicide but that seems Farfetch’d.
Oh gee, now I believe that all of the bus drive feedback comes from 2 bus drivers! The true BD shouldn't trust the claim from the interviewee if they're forced into a claim. Absolutely.
I do not think we have two bus drivers. The bussing of Colmyr to me proves that the interviewee is not the bus driver.



On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe
- Because Yolo
I did not get bus driven. This is a lie.
I do not see why an interviewee would need to lie about this. We were missing a bus claim from day 1, I don't see how this is a lie.



On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou
- Kalou was full lurker, but gained town points for me by not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2
- Becket was evidently using empty posts to appear relevant
Conveniently drove a target that died and conveniently caused the death of scum. Kalou absolutely deserved town points for not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2.
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...297#post320297


-vote FM Monroe

A good pressure vote will help us gather information on a person that would troll reveal as a Mayor.
This reasoning therefore makes perfect sense.

Oops.
As you pointed out with your own flair, this reasoning is bad. The bussing of these two seems like a BD, since mafia would not want to kill a corrupt journalist.



On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan
- Morgan looked scummy to me since the early game
- Ackerman had garnered some accusation and I anticipated the Mafia might kill him to cause confusion.
Another scum killed thanks to the bus driver! Go you! This is getting more and more likely.
Twice in a row makes me think Journalist should reveal their target. This is scummy.

Now come the reads, most of which show absolutely solid reasoning.

FM Ackerman – 100% chance of not being Mafia
This could not be used to buy a mafia member some trust for the time being at all. Or create the illusion that the mafia wants the town to trust him... Undecided on this one.
It fits with the poor logic that Mafia attempted to attack him. I am not going to trust him over this article though

FM Ballard – not certain what I think of him after his turn on Parker
Conveniently killed by the mafia the next day.
Are you implying Parker is a suspect? I think its safe to say Parker is not a savage.


FM Donnelly – seems scummy
Well I suppose he does.
I can agree with this

FM Earle – I know who this person is, im pretty sure. Clearly town.
Is that so?
Not sure how someone could guess Earles com with how he is posting. Can't say he is clearly town


FM Kalou – 100% chance of not being Mafia
Same as Ackerman. Include fishy bit about bus driving.
Fits with poor bus driver logic thinking he saved these people. I don't buy it.

FM Mendez – no read
No read on one of the most active contributors? Hello interviewee.
Thanks. But I did not write this interview. I am curious who did and why they have no read on me.

FM Monroe – likely savage
Of course. Make me look like scum some more. Loving it.
It could be possible. Bias since I've had fos on you since day 2.

FM Phelps – town?
Yep, throw in some anonymous support for Phelps. Handy if he is indeed consort or blackmailer.
If Phelps is truly blackmail/consort then Journalist can reveal who wrote this and give us second scum.

Conclusion:
False reasons for bus driving. Convenient swaps with dead people. What if Cafarelli is consigliere and got swapped on night 3 to ensure any investigative roles would leave her alone after that and this article is supposed to cover for here? Ever think about that?

Also a complete lack of reasons for the reads posted on each individual, which makes them pretty much useless unless you're just trying to manipulate popular opinion to call people suspicious or try to clear people from suspicion because it somehow benefits you.
The reasons for bus driving seems suspect. The swaps with dead people as well. The kill on Becket does not seem the work of a Kidnapper, as I explained earlier. I agree the reads are bad and I am offended you would think I wrote this.

[FM Ackerman]

I'm so proud of you. Let's kill these liars dead.

The liar is the article writer, without the journalist we can't know who to lynch.

[FM Buchwalter]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

Please include my n3 claim from this post it's highly important.

That makes it 5 bussed claims on day 3, what does that mean?

[FM Ackerman]

@Cafarelli, please provide a summary of all your feedback INCLUDING what you have not yet revealed to us, thank you!

[FM Mendez]

I can confirm it false. He claimed to have bussed the dead guy 3 because I withheld feedback my interesting night d3 was a bussing.

I did, view it as you may.



Let me summarize this article is BS, see above.



Please include my n3 claim from this post it's highly important.
So Morgan and Ackerman both say the article is a lie.
Ackerman the article says you were bussed n4 though. Are you saying you were not bussed on n4?

I'm trying to think of a reason why someone would lie over the article. Also they used only targets that claimed bussed or were killed. Except for Morgan n1 and Ackerman n3.

[FM Ackerman]

That makes it 5 bussed claims on day 3, what does that mean?

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.

[FM Ackerman]

So Morgan and Ackerman both say the article is a lie.
Ackerman the article says you were bussed n4 though. Are you saying you were not bussed on n4?

I'm trying to think of a reason why someone would lie over the article. Also they used only targets that claimed bussed or were killed. Except for Morgan n1 and Ackerman n3.

I was bussed n4, but I made that claim publicly.

[FM Ackerman]

@Coroner, (if one exists) I have left a last will including my n1 feedback. Please look it up and use it to catch scum as described, thanks!

[FM Mendez]

I was bussed n4, but I made that claim publicly.

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

[FM Monroe]

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.
What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?


Thanks. But I did not write this interview. I am curious who did and why they have no read on me.
From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

[FM Monroe]

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

Nope. He is disputing the part where the article states that a 5th person (Becket) was bus driven night 3.
BD night 3: Ballard (1), Colmyer (2), Kalou (3), Ackerman (4), Becket (5??)

This makes the article a lie, just like I suspected.

Or drugs. Which makes Cafarelli a liar, because she also claims drugged night 3.

[FM Ackerman]

Okay then it wasn't a lie.

The article only stated bussed for people that died or claimed bussed. You claimed bus n4. The only part that is being disputed is Monroe being bussed on n1.

No, because with my claim there are 5 bussings d3.

[FM Ackerman]

What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?


From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

Could be the case, but still makes him scum.

[FM Mendez]

It means the article writer was guessing, hes savage or witch.


On the first night I swapped Mason and Monroe
- Because Yolo

On the second night I swapped Dunn and Lichtman.
- Dunn did not look likely to be attacked.
- Lichtman looked possibly blackmailed.

On the third night I swapped Becket and Kalou
- Kalou was full lurker, but gained town points for me by not jumping on the Monroe train on day 2
- Becket was evidently using empty posts to appear relevant

On night 4 I swapped Ackerman and Morgan
- Morgan looked scummy to me since the early game
- Ackerman had garnered some accusation and I anticipated the Mafia might kill him to cause confusion.
Third night article writer said Becket and Kalou. Where did he lie about you being bussed on n3? I see 5 bus claims including yours for n3, which means that either someone lied about being bussed or the DD sent a fake bus feedback.

[FM Monroe]

Third night article writer said Becket and Kalou. Where did he lie about you being bussed on n3? I see 5 bus claims including yours for n3, which means that either someone lied about being bussed or the DD sent a fake bus feedback.
OR the article is a lie. Do I need to hold ur hand?

[FM Ackerman]

Nope. He is disputing the part where the article states that a 5th person (Becket) was bus driven night 3.
BD night 3: Ballard (1), Colmyer (2), Kalou (3), Ackerman (4), Becket (5??)

This makes the article a lie, just like I suspected.

Or drugs. Which makes Cafarelli a liar, because she also claims drugged night 3.
Link to post for this please, I didn't see anywhre that Cafarelli claimed drugged, except n1.

[FM Mendez]

What about mafia kidnapper who thinks you are an ally for not claiming feedback, and is using the article to protect you and to get your support in the future?


From the posts you've made during the day, a fair few of those reads do seem to match your opinions on people. Excuse me for finding you suspicious! I will NEVER do it again!

lol I don't mind you finding me suspicious, I do share some of those reads. I find you suspicious myself.

The article could very well be a lie but trying to find a motive behind this lie is what's bothering me. Also kudos for using same wording I used on you the other day. I love holding hands.


@Ackerman - Cafarelli claimed today that he was feedback blocked night 3 and guessed at Cohens role.

[FM Mendez]

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit
the post

[FM Monroe]

She hasn't said it directly but it's implied. Here you go:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325606&viewfull=1#post325606

5 night, 3 times drugged, 2 real pairings. rose and phelps i checked. so i was accurate only once without a check. that was on cohen. i thought he was a drug dealer actually and took this pairing because with that pairing i figured the most chances to get him lynched. i knew he was scum. that he was actually in the pairing but arso was pure luck. but if i was another scum role i would just have told you that i lied.

In the first post she was ranting about being drugged "last night," but "last night" she was not. What she probably meant to say was that the roleblockers should've blocked the same targets again because she wasn't drugged night 4, but she was the night 3 when she claimed false feedback on Cohen.

[FM Mendez]

disclaimer: this is a RAGE post!

I have SINCERE doubt in the brain of anyone who STILL doubts that i'm a FUCKING INVEST. IQ must be less than 70 guys which means you are LITERALLY retarded...
LMFAO savage invest just DIED and masons had 3 FUCKING NIGHTS
obviously you cannot make ANY logical conclusions. you shouldn't have signed up imo

and then some RETARDED FUCKTARD calling himself probably 'mayor' passes soma to the FUCKING MAFIA instead of the CONFIRMED invest, how FUCKING RETARDED IS THIS i could have invested MUCH MORE PPL, how to use soma fuckign better?? that 'mayor' must have turned against town


that conclusion is just made without ANY brain, logic, thinking, ...
do you really think the savages have TWO INVESTIGATORS??? do you think they converted the town's invest instead of converting a FUCKING CITIZEN AS INVEST??? this is RIDICULOUS, NEXT (replacement) pls!



i did NOT WITHHELD INFORMATION. also you're (once again) talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT, withholding information is often essential!


tonight i was FUCKING DRUGDEALED AGAIN
what is this SHIT
what the FUCK is the busdriver(s) doing?? I fucking said MULTIPLE(!!) TIMES i would need one. but NOO. the busdriver(s) rather goes MAD and ANNOUNCES who he drives, rofl
THIS is your fault busdriver, you are a fucking hero: last night i was drugged AGAIN!!!!!!! i was not drugged last night so i think the drug dealer was roleblocked. i said block same, but noo what are escorts doing of course...
i might aswell commit suicide, with all the drugs i will get an overdose soon anyway... unnecessary to say that you all piss me off, i cant even collect information and the doubt in me is RIDICULOUS as fuck. the mafia made me their FUCKING BITCH and i DONT WANT TO BE THEIR BITCH, it's a fate worse than death. they could kill me anytime but decided this would be better.
but town and especially busdrivers, if you do not need my results then what am i doing here. you even know how it feels to make up and see YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY INFORMATION, NOT EVEN A FUCKING MAIL

bye i need to calm down, this is all information you'll get for today:
FM Phelps
witch, bm, consort.

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

Actually the entire post would be better since you missed it.

[FM Ackerman]

She hasn't said it directly but it's implied. Here you go:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325606&viewfull=1#post325606


In the first post she was ranting about being drugged "last night," but "last night" she was not. What she probably meant to say was that the roleblockers should've blocked the same targets again because she wasn't drugged night 4, but she was the night 3 when she claimed false feedback on Cohen.

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

[FM Monroe]

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

No.

She is claiming that she didn't get real feedback on Cohen, but that the pairing from Phelps was legitimately gathered through investigation, which would be night 4.

Do I need to hold ur hand 2? We should all hold hands!

[FM Kalou]

replacement here. i've been reading parts of days, but i'll need to do a thorough read. if you have questions for me as i'm reading, just put it in another color, not green. i'll check posts after this every 5 minutes or so.

i SORT of know whats going on.

[FM Ackerman]

That post is a claim from drugged n1,n4,n5. She gave her feedback for n3 in her first post of d3.

My apologies I misread that post first time through. I didn't realize she declared her lead was BS for d3.

[FM Galloway]

Cafarelli claimed that he was not interviewed in the Investigator interview a few days ago. That would have suggested that we would have two Investigators that were handy to us and with the drops we have so far thats quickly becoming no reality. Phelps is reacting the exact same way as a legit Escort so far and that earns him some town cred. His feedbacks were promptly given and his feedbacks were spot on thus far. On the flip side Cafarelli told us he lied about Cohen and somehow got it right through pure guessing? Fat chance. The reality is much more likely that he is a Savage/Consig, with Savage more likely, and Ballard was our Town Investigative before the Savages got to him. Drug Dealer is in the game and by all logic would target Cafarelli every chance he got. With the bus Driver seemingly leaving cafarelli alone it looks really suspicious that he claims to have been drugged all of a sudden just after the Savage Investigator dies. His posts turned my way and raged without end to get people to listen to him? No chance being legit here.
It's simple.
Liars are scum and Cafarelli lied.
FM Cafarelli

[FM Ackerman]

FM Cafarelli

[FM Monroe]

replacement here. i've been reading parts of days, but i'll need to do a thorough read. if you have questions for me as i'm reading, just put it in another color, not green. i'll check posts after this every 5 minutes or so.

i SORT of know whats going on.

Give your read on Cafarelli and the journalist article that was posted at the end of yesterday.

[FM Monroe]

I don't get it why you tunneling me so hard. Yesterday near the end of the day you weren't sure if i am scum but revealed the pairing anway. Why? to expose me to mafia or the witch? Do you think it's pro town to out an Escort? I gave you ALLMOST all my night actions to look over them. Please feel free to go back to day 1 - 4 and LOOK for yourself if i didn't call the people out which i blocked!
If you still have questions after doing that feel free to ask me.

Do you really think i made them all up over 4 days? Really? Holy shit SCUM MVP right here!!111 Derp.

I will reveal the N4 block if you guys want to later in the game when the person had enough time to claim it himself.

Just for the record. I didn't misslynch 2 Deltas.

Could you post links to the posts where you FoS'd the people you blocked? I don't remember seeing them when I searched your posts for English spelling and it would be handy to have as reference for everyone else, regardless.

[FM Galloway]

OH YEAH!

Hey Parker, I am need some insight from you on -

Monroe's hesitance
Cafarelli's connection to Ballard
Ryan's replacement behavior
Earle's sudden contributions.

[FM Mendez]

No.

She is claiming that she didn't get real feedback on Cohen, but that the pairing from Phelps was legitimately gathered through investigation, which would be night 4.

Do I need to hold ur hand 2? We should all hold hands!
I'm starting to think that the article writer is an epsilon. Ghost or Jester. All the information is easily claimable except for the n1 bus with monroe and the n3 5 bussings. Both of these nights were missing a bussing. N1 is still missing a bus claim since monroe claims not to be bussed.

[FM Monroe]

Cafarelli claimed that he was not interviewed in the Investigator interview a few days ago. That would have suggested that we would have two Investigators that were handy to us and with the drops we have so far thats quickly becoming no reality. Phelps is reacting the exact same way as a legit Escort so far and that earns him some town cred. His feedbacks were promptly given and his feedbacks were spot on thus far. On the flip side Cafarelli told us he lied about Cohen and somehow got it right through pure guessing? Fat chance. The reality is much more likely that he is a Savage/Consig, with Savage more likely, and Ballard was our Town Investigative before the Savages got to him. Drug Dealer is in the game and by all logic would target Cafarelli every chance he got. With the bus Driver seemingly leaving cafarelli alone it looks really suspicious that he claims to have been drugged all of a sudden just after the Savage Investigator dies. His posts turned my way and raged without end to get people to listen to him? No chance being legit here.
It's simple.
Liars are scum and Cafarelli lied.
FM Cafarelli

SCUMMEH POST?

I may explain later why I think so.

OR I MAY NOT.

[FM Monroe]

I'm starting to think that the article writer is an epsilon. Ghost or Jester. All the information is easily claimable except for the n1 bus with monroe and the n3 5 bussings. Both of these nights were missing a bussing. N1 is still missing a bus claim since monroe claims not to be bussed.

Night 4 was also missing bussing. And they also claimed a bus drive on a dead target.

[FM Ackerman]

Night 4 was also missing bussing. And they also claimed a bus drive on a dead target.

Easily explained if savages went to kill me.

[FM Monroe]

OH YEAH!

Hey Parker, I am need some insight from you on -

Monroe's hesitance

What hesitance?

I don't know what you are talking about!

[FM Galloway]

SCUMMEH POST?

I may explain later why I think so.

OR I MAY NOT.

Hidding things is a bad idea if your town Monroe.

[FM Ackerman]

Easily explained if savages went to recruit me.

Correction, savages would have had to try to recruit to realize who I was bussed with or he would have been marked killed twice?

P.S. @Savage Godfather, If you do recruit me don't use recruit as, thanks!

[FM Mendez]

I will be back on in a few hours. Got a girl to attend to. Possibly more than a few hours if things go well

[FM Carruthers]

After seeing the lists, I'd like to make a comparing Phelps' "Escort target" list to identify the Escort / Consort.

We can tell who were targeted by the consort that way.

When we see the pattern of who were targeted and who were not targeted, we may deduce who the Consort may be while scaling down the number of suspects.


I am Escort.

N1 random blocked Colmyr

N2 blocked FM Chapman

N3 blocked FM Kelso

N4 blocked ????

N5 blocked FM Galletta

Based on Buch, the list of possible Consort roleblocks are :
Night 1
Galletta

Night 2
Bekowsky
Buchwalter

Night 3
Black

Night 4
Donnelly

[FM Monroe]

Easily explained if savages went to kill me.

If my assumption that the purpose of the article regarding you was either:

- Make you look like confirmed town because they think you're an ally for not claiming feedback
- Make us want to think they did the above, so attention falls on you rather than them after a while of being "confirmed town"

Then you aren't someone they would want to kill. Temporary ally, possible scapegoat for later. Even though Morgan did seem a little scummy, so did you at the start of the game. And Morgan made more redeeming posts than you did before night 4. So in my mind it's more likely that the kill on Morgan was intended. As he was already mostly confirmed to be non-mafia for being blackmailed/drugged.

[FM Ackerman]

If my assumption that the purpose of the article regarding you was either:

- Make you look like confirmed town because they think you're an ally for not claiming feedback
- Make us want to think they did the above, so attention falls on you rather than them after a while of being "confirmed town"

Then you aren't someone they would want to kill. Temporary ally, possible scapegoat for later. Even though Morgan did seem a little scummy, so did you at the start of the game. And Morgan made more redeeming posts than you did before night 4. So in my mind it's more likely that the kill on Morgan was intended. As he was already mostly confirmed to be non-mafia for being blackmailed/drugged.

I had been the only one to know what role Ballard played, they knew I knew, you guys just didn't trust me. Although i agree I originally though he was Consig, not Savage investigator.

[FM Ackerman]

Just reread the interviews from n2. We need to know who was targeted by the article writer. If it was anyone but the current escort we can confirm that one of the two is scum.

[FM Hopgood]

Post #144
I noticed 3 people were roleblocked night 1 and 2, but only 2 people were roleblocked each night after the first two nights.

[FM Hopgood]

After seeing the lists, I'd like to make a comparing Phelps' "Escort target" list to identify the Escort / Consort.

We can tell who were targeted by the consort that way.

When we see the pattern of who were targeted and who were not targeted, we may deduce who the Consort may be while scaling down the number of suspects.



Based on Buch, the list of possible Consort roleblocks are :
Night 1
Galletta

Night 2
Bekowsky
Buchwalter

Night 3
Black

Night 4
Donnelly
I was roleblocked night1

[FM Monroe]

I had been the only one to know what role Ballard played, they knew I knew, you guys just didn't trust me. Although i agree I originally though he was Consig, not Savage investigator.

Yeah the mafia would of course know what role Ballard played, because he wasn't mafia. So they would shoot you for knowing that too!

[FM Hopgood]

Do you think an escort got converted night 2?

[FM Monroe]

Just reread the interviews from n2. We need to know who was targeted by the article writer. If it was anyone but the current escort we can confirm that one of the two is scum.

Great plan! Find those PRs!

Because there can only be one escort!

[FM Monroe]

Do you think an escort got converted night 2?

Yes. They aren't immune or anything.

[FM Ackerman]

Yeah the mafia would of course know what role Ballard played, because he wasn't mafia. So they would shoot you for knowing that too!

Mafia killed a savage that night, He was most likely a power role turned savage, and mafia bussed the kill to make sure he wasn't healed, I certainly wasn't going to have the doc on me that was 100%.

[FM Ackerman]

Is the savage limit of 6 based on living savages, or period?

[FM Ryan]

Now that I think about it, Cafarelli sounded to me like an angry nerd in his "rage post".

I now have good reasons to believe that Phelps is town.
I will CERTAINLY vote out Cafarelli today, but not now. We need to keep the day going. With luck, we'll either lynch the first mafia, or a possilble savage leader.

Kalou, were you the one who was interviewed tonight?

[FM Ackerman]

Great plan! Find those PRs!

Because there can only be one escort!

The journalist could simply send him another interview. That is exactly what I had intended.

[FM Kalou]

Now that I think about it, Cafarelli sounded to me like an angry nerd in his "rage post".

I now have good reasons to believe that Phelps is town.
I will CERTAINLY vote out Cafarelli today, but not now. We need to keep the day going. With luck, we'll either lynch the first mafia, or a possilble savage leader.

Kalou, were you the one who was interviewed tonight?

no.

[FM Ryan]

Great plan! Find those PRs!

Because there can only be one escort!

Yeah, yeah, great plan to find PRs so that Mafia can kill then, Witch can control then, and Savages can recruit then. While we keep lynching Deltas every day. Fantastic plan.

[FM Monroe]

Mafia killed a savage that night, He was most likely a power role turned savage, and mafia bussed the kill to make sure he wasn't healed, I certainly wasn't going to have the doc on me that was 100%.

Except they had no way of knowing he was a power role turned savage. Are you implying that he was investigated by the mafia and that they killed Ballard for that?

If the mafia bussed the kill, that means they wanted to kill Ballard, not you.

And you're saying the mafia wanted to kill you because you were right about Ballard?

lolwut?

I'm getting a mixed response.

[FM Ackerman]

Yeah, yeah, great plan to find PRs so that Mafia can kill then, Witch can control then, and Savages can recruit then. While we keep lynching Deltas every day. Fantastic plan.

See above, interviewer should return.

[FM Monroe]

Yeah, yeah, great plan to find PRs so that Mafia can kill then, Witch can control then, and Savages can recruit then. While we keep lynching Deltas every day. Fantastic plan.

I know your COM, mr replacement. :smile:

[FM Ackerman]

Except they had no way of knowing he was a power role turned savage. Are you implying that he was investigated by the mafia and that they killed Ballard for that?

If the mafia bussed the kill, that means they wanted to kill Ballard, not you.

And you're saying the mafia wanted to kill you because you were right about Ballard?

lolwut?

I'm getting a mixed response.

I'm implying they found he was a power role, then he was converted, then they decided to kill him. They thought he was still a power role.

[FM Monroe]

I'm implying they found he was a power role, then he was converted, then they decided to kill him. They thought he was still a power role.

Oh yes, now I get it.

You're talking about Morgan now, not Ballard. And Morgan was not switched with you according to that article!

Ballard must have been a delta. The savages could not investigate him before recruiting him as an investigator. Dat makes no SENSE!

YOUR STORY IS MESSED UP. EVACUATE.

[FM Ackerman]

Oh yes, now I get it.

You're talking about Morgan now, not Ballard. And Morgan was not switched with you according to that article!

Ballard must have been a delta. The savages could not investigate him before recruiting him as an investigator. Dat makes no SENSE!

YOUR STORY IS MESSED UP. EVACUATE.

They thought I was though, thats the point im trying to make, I'm trying to explain what the article writer was thinking, not reality.

[FM Monroe]

As for Morgan being a PR at the start.

I want to point out this beautiful post by Donnelly:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320905&viewfull=1#post320905

They're not just going to "recruit as investigator" until they get one. That would be stupid because they might hit power roles and then they'd be stuck with a cult full of savages, which would be completely wasting their potential for gaining information.

Your opposition to the plan is noted. If Cafarelli flips savage, you're next on my list of suspects.

2 days later, Morgan flips savage.

Was Donnelly's pride hurt when we said any savage godfather would only ever "recruit as" with no valid leads on possible investigative roles?

Has Donnelly been trying to mass-direct the masons to ensure the savages would be left alone?

DISCUSS!

[FM Ackerman]

Oh yes, now I get it.

You're talking about Morgan now, not Ballard. And Morgan was not switched with you according to that article!

Ballard must have been a delta. The savages could not investigate him before recruiting him as an investigator. Dat makes no SENSE!

YOUR STORY IS MESSED UP. EVACUATE.

Also according the article, I was swapped with morgan, the night morgan died.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Is the savage limit of 6 based on living savages, or period?

Please refer to FAQ #66.

[FM Ackerman]

Ballard must have been a delta. The savages could not investigate him before recruiting him as an investigator. Dat makes no SENSE!


I accused him of being consig early, on I think he was recruited n1.

[FM Buchwalter]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman


bussed
(redirected BMed??)
bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed
(redirected BMed??)

attacked



3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked


attacked



5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop

attacked






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked






9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention

feedback prevention

feedback prevention



10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
BMed
bussed
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed






16
FM Earle








17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3

blocked by #34



20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed







23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker




bussed



34
FM Phelps



blocked
blocked



35
FM Rose




bussed



36
FM Ryan



bussed




These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).

[FM Monroe]

They thought I was though, thats the point im trying to make, I'm trying to explain what the article writer was thinking, not reality.

Ah, you're saying you think you were switched with Ballard night 3 by the legit bus driver and the mafia investigated you that night, getting an invest result. Then the mafia tried to kill you for it night 4?

But then what's this?

Mafia killed a savage that night, He was most likely a power role turned savage, and mafia bussed the kill to make sure he wasn't healed
The MAFIA bussed the kill in order to kill BALLARD to make sure he wasn't healed because no doc would visit you, while they thought YOU were the investigator?

I'm not following you here mate! Please explain fully what you're trying to say here.

[FM Parker]

OH YEAH!

Hey Parker, I am need some insight from you on -

Monroe's hesitance

Hesitance to what? I can't answer this question without clarification.


Cafarelli's connection to Ballard

I don't see a connection between her and Ballard. The only link is his death disproves of her being a savage investigator. Savage GF would have recruited day 1 or 2 for the investigator with recruit as. That's Ballard. Masons would have been on Cafarelli so the Savage GF wouldn't have been able to do a straight up recruit. If Cafarelli was town, she should be dead by now. And Cafarelli only drugged once with no bus drivings... All the mafia would have to do is kidnap her, and then attack who the opposite target is of the kidnapping.


Ryan's replacement behavior

Ryan's more active. I'm still getting used to his current behavior. Give me some time on this one.



Earle's sudden contributions.

They are odd. No question about it. He doesn't give a consistent read at all. His posts are fuzzy and illogical. Who has a nil read on themselves?



What do you think of Buchwalter, Galloway?



@Monroe, oddly enough I think the only bus driver wrote that article but perhaps I am wrong. I'm near certain a bus driver, kidnapper or outside mafia wrote it. We've all been assuming that Colmyer wasn't the target of the second blackmail he received (the one requiring him to defend himself). Yet, if Colmyer was the lynch target, they wouldn't want a lurker all of a sudden defending themselves. They'd want to draw attention to Colmyer. The letter had Colmyer's name is case the dude was kidnapped and bussed.

[FM Phelps]

As for Morgan being a PR at the start.

I want to point out this beautiful post by Donnelly:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320905&viewfull=1#post320905


2 days later, Morgan flips savage.

Was Donnelly's pride hurt when we said any savage godfather would only ever "recruit as" with no valid leads on possible investigative roles?

Has Donnelly been trying to mass-direct the masons to ensure the savages would be left alone?

DISCUSS!

Do we even have 2 masons? I doubt it. I am quite sure we have only one. The Mason enforcer. It's just a matter of simple balancing. 2 Town anti savages who get 2 soma every 2 nights while one of them could theoreticly kill 3 savages every 2 nights? Now if that's not op as fuck what else is it.

We should go away from the thought that there are 2 Masons in this. Completely overpowered.





Thanks for having me tonight. It's an honor.

First of all, I'm happy to announce the existence of an Investigator on the role list.

Secondly, rejoice! For I have found one of the Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost category. The behavior of my target wasn't particularly suspicious. I will decide depending on further behavior and incoming information whether to reveal target or not.

Now something that struck me as odd, but wasn't really addressed in the day chat.
Transcript of a certain conversation:
#360 Mason: I was bussed.
#362 Cohen: So 3 bd claims.
#364 Mason: Wait, what? 3 bd claims? brb, gotta read day chat.
Shortly thereafter...
#368 Mason: Yeah, totally knew there were 3 bd claims. That's why I claimed. Just can't find the third one.

Seriously? Why was his claim swallowed so readily?

Next up is the connection between
Becket, Biggs, Dunn, Hopgood and Rose.
Discuss!

Last but not least some proof of identity:
SIaFtAKnqBU
oHg5SJYRHA0
-Cp8tW3LHnY


That guy was calling FM Mason out, and left a code. This looks like a setup for a gambit to get a possible lynch on FM Mason or anyone else who was called out in this article. I mean look at the pairing. There is only one town in it. It's either you are Escort and can proof yourself or you has to be scum. It's exactly what you would feed the day chat if you are a delta and want to get someone lynched. Otherwise it would be too risky for a real invest to claim that like that. Because of a corrupt journalist.

A smart town invest role doesn't reveal his information early. He keeps it to himself to find more scum so he can see connections between people.

[FM Monroe]

I will confirm that Ryan was legitimately replaced. I can't say why. Because COM hunting.

[FM Rose]

I hope you guys realise that cafarelli is probably a jester or ghost if he turns out to be a scum.
I don't think you can blackmail someone into raging like a little kid.

[FM Ackerman]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman


bussed
(redirected BMed??)
bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed
(redirected BMed??)

attacked



3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked


attacked



5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop

attacked






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked






9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention

feedback prevention

feedback prevention



10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
BMed
bussed
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed






16
FM Earle








17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3

blocked by #34



20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed







23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker




bussed



34
FM Phelps



blocked
blocked



35
FM Rose




bussed



36
FM Ryan



bussed




These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).


Thanks, heres what i think happened.

Night 1 Consig finds Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost (Cafarelli may be innocent? Journalist invest found this ...)
Day 1 Witch claim mafia did not drug so consig keeps information secret, they may have found the witch.
Night 2 Morgan the ESCORT is converted to savage
Night 3 Morgan is witched.
Day 3 Morgan claims witch, mafia knows morgan is ghost/escort
Night 4 Mafia kills morgan.

Think of the assumptions of the savages based on this info.

[FM Monroe]

My conspiracy theory senses are going through the roof here!
[/quote]heads[quote]

[FM Cafarelli]

I don't get it why you tunneling me so hard. Yesterday near the end of the day you weren't sure if i am scum but revealed the pairing anway. Why? to expose me to mafia or the witch? Do you think it's pro town to out an Escort? I gave you ALLMOST all my night actions to look over them. Please feel free to go back to day 1 - 4 and LOOK for yourself if i didn't call the people out which i blocked!
If you still have questions after doing that feel free to ask me.

Do you really think i made them all up over 4 days? Really? Holy shit SCUM MVP right here!!111 Derp.

I will reveal the N4 block if you guys want to later in the game when the person had enough time to claim it himself.

Just for the record. I didn't misslynch 2 Deltas.

i wasn't sure last day but i thought it was very likely that you're scum. you were even scummy to me before i checked you. now i'm not sure too. but your defense makes me more sure. i wanted to make sure that the town knows you're scum in case i die. furthermore i wanted the escort to block you again. there is absolutely no reason to block him again if he was immune. => he is NOT immune
making up such a shitty list is really not hard. nor is finding weak foses
and if you want me to repeat it, I DONT WANT THE PERSON TO CLAIM SELF I WANT YOU TO CLAIM IT THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO CONFIRM. HE PROBABLY DIDNT EVEN CLAIM JUST SO THE ESCORT CAN CONFIRM HIMSELF


These, at what nights?



No one so far.



A few of does points do make sense yes, but most of them is still just your word.

I agree you can not be Savage Investigator, because my understanding of the setup say that there can not be two.
You can still however be Savage and have been getting information from Ballard.
I would also say we can not count on the Masons too much.

So yes you are either Investigator, Consigliere, or Savage.


@Cafarelli, please provide a summary of all your feedback INCLUDING what you have not yet revealed to us, thank you!
how about i just post my lw? it contains everything i've done so far. you can even get the solution to the puzzle this time

-lw:

dear (savage) coroner, this is my last will, thanks for retrieving it.

night 1 went to fm black but was drugged to no feedback. didnt reveal that i'm drugged because then mafia would know i'm important
night 2 checking fm rose, received Mafia Godfather / Savage Godfather / Mayor / Delta / Jester / Survivor pairing. most likely citizen, but likely recruited by now
night 3 going to fm galetta (no need to waste check on confirmed scum cohen) but was drug dealed to no feedback (thanks bd(s) you're fucking awesome...). maybe i should add that i had to lie and guess cohen's role in order to get confirmed scum lynched (i guessed dd though, lol, lucky one^^)
night 4 checking fm phelps, received Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. again nice one bd(s) but this time it went well thank god (maybe dd rbed?). most likely phelps is blackmailer or witch (noone claimed witched, noone obviously bmed but we'll see next day) unless he is immune to rb, then most likely consort
night 5 going to chapman. he said d4 savages are a bigger threat than maf, scum slip in my eyes. asesome bd exposed me to mafia again so i was drugged once again, i'm getting addicted


if you ever feel the need to reveal and proof yourself, solve my puzzle (only proves you're coroner, not necessarily town aligned and i really doubt you're town aligned):
here the puzzle again (posted in my first post)
i affect the speed of betas and the speed of betas affects me (beta is not the hint)
solution (just copy and paste):
beta radiation are electrons (at almost speed of light)
electron speed can be affected by lorentzforce (and lorentzforce is affected by the speed of the electron)
lorentzforced is named after Hendrik Antoon Lorentz.
this physicist also introduced the lorentzfactor.
the lorentzfactor depends on the speed of an object (often electrons that were accelerated to almost speed of light using a particle accelerator (particle accelerators also use lorentzforce to work, for example the synchrotron or cyclotron)) (as you know mass increases with speed, the lorentzfactor determines how much, m = m0 * lorentzfactor)
sign for lorentzfactor is gamma ie i'm a gamma ;)



-----------------------------
lw end



She hasn't said it directly but it's implied. Here you go:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325606&viewfull=1#post325606


In the first post she was ranting about being drugged "last night," but "last night" she was not. What she probably meant to say was that the roleblockers should've blocked the same targets again because she wasn't drugged night 4, but she was the night 3 when she claimed false feedback on Cohen.
sry with 'this night' i often mean the previous night (now n5) and with 'last night' the one before (n4). however i also often use 'last night' for the previous night (n5)


Cafarelli claimed that he was not interviewed in the Investigator interview a few days ago. That would have suggested that we would have two Investigators that were handy to us and with the drops we have so far thats quickly becoming no reality. Phelps is reacting the exact same way as a legit Escort so far and that earns him some town cred. His feedbacks were promptly given and his feedbacks were spot on thus far. On the flip side Cafarelli told us he lied about Cohen and somehow got it right through pure guessing? Fat chance. The reality is much more likely that he is a Savage/Consig, with Savage more likely, and Ballard was our Town Investigative before the Savages got to him. Drug Dealer is in the game and by all logic would target Cafarelli every chance he got. With the bus Driver seemingly leaving cafarelli alone it looks really suspicious that he claims to have been drugged all of a sudden just after the Savage Investigator dies. His posts turned my way and raged without end to get people to listen to him? No chance being legit here.
It's simple.
Liars are scum and Cafarelli lied.
FM Cafarelli
lol the interviewee lied, how about that explanation? he's consig or savage or anything else, he didn't even prove
lol i've stated why phelps doesnt react like an escort
and sure you fucktard, the drug dealer was basicly all game on me. only n2 when they didnt know i'm the invest and n4, i think he was blocked then
nope my rage is real because of the nooby bd and other towns. if the bd wasnt such a tard i could prove myself way better

and answer this questions:
DO YOU REALLY THINK A SCUM WOULD DO SUCH A RISKY GAMBIT TO GET AN ALLY LYNCHED? AND THEN, DO YOU THINK THIS SCUM WOULD REVEAL THAT HE DID SUCH GAMBIT AFTER ITS SUCCESS TO GET EVEN MORE SUSPICION?

tbh i think you're a savage by now. along with parker. makes sense to recruit you 2, you were quite active and tried to lead and all



Now that I think about it, Cafarelli sounded to me like an angry nerd in his "rage post".

I now have good reasons to believe that Phelps is town.
I will CERTAINLY vote out Cafarelli today, but not now. We need to keep the day going. With luck, we'll either lynch the first mafia, or a possilble savage leader.

Kalou, were you the one who was interviewed tonight?
nerd? lol
you're also some funny 'nerd'. at first you say i'm scum then you say i'm town and then again scum.




anyone who is willing to lynch someone who even might be the only invest (with a possibility there isnt even a sheriff or he's dead/savaged), is either scum or fucking retarded
i also find it odd that noone seems to care about my defending/answering posts or replies to them

and about the interview:
i think i know who wrote it. but i don't know if it's really a lie and i don't want to out the busdriver.
monroe didnt claim bussed on n1, the interviewee said he bussed him. confirm pls

[FM Rose]

I will confirm that i was interwieved Night 2 by the corrupted journalist and night 3 by the ''other'' journalist.

[FM Black]

I am against the Caff train. The only possible outcomes could be are Invest or Consig (Non savage).

I believe it would be more of a town advantage to keep Caff alive for now due to the 50% chance of getting a town.
Even having a Consig at this point is at least giving town some information, which in this game we have been lacking.

[FM Monroe]

Night 1 Consig finds Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost (Cafarelli may be innocent? Journalist invest found this ...)
Since we're getting to this subject matter now... My hypothesis is the mafia posted this to try and make contact with a possible witch. Incidentally, Cafarelli claims to be no feedback drugged night 1.

[FM Rose]

Thanks, heres what i think happened.

Night 1 Consig finds Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost (Cafarelli may be innocent? Journalist invest found this ...)
Day 1 Witch claim mafia did not drug so consig keeps information secret, they may have found the witch.
Night 2 Morgan the ESCORT is converted to savage
Night 3 Morgan is witched.
Day 3 Morgan claims witch, mafia knows morgan is ghost/escort
Night 4 Mafia kills morgan.

Think of the assumptions of the savages based on this info.

Escorts can't be recruited by the savages. Only gammas or deltas.

[FM Monroe]

Thanks, heres what i think happened.

Night 1 Consig finds Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost (Cafarelli may be innocent? Journalist invest found this ...)
Day 1 Witch claim mafia did not drug so consig keeps information secret, they may have found the witch.
Night 2 Morgan the ESCORT is converted to savage
Night 3 Morgan is witched.
Day 3 Morgan claims witch, mafia knows morgan is ghost/escort
Night 4 Mafia kills morgan.

Think of the assumptions of the savages based on this info.

What does this have to do with Ballard?

Flawed logic by the way. Escorts can't be converted.

[FM Parker]

Thanks, heres what i think happened.

Night 1 Consig finds Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost (Cafarelli may be innocent? Journalist invest found this ...)
Day 1 Witch claim mafia did not drug so consig keeps information secret, they may have found the witch.
Night 2 Morgan the ESCORT is converted to savage
Night 3 Morgan is witched.
Day 3 Morgan claims witch, mafia knows morgan is ghost/escort
Night 4 Mafia kills morgan.

Think of the assumptions of the savages based on this info.

Wrong. Betas, including escorts, cannot become savages.

@Black, Cafarelli had her uses, when she wasn't leading lynches against people solely for their investigative pairing.

[FM Ackerman]

Since we're getting to this subject matter now... My hypothesis is the mafia posted this to try and make contact with a possible witch. Incidentally, Cafarelli claims to be no feedback drugged night 1.

But if the journalist interview carafelli, and she lied saying she wasn't that would have been brought up. So I'm starting to think Carafelli may be telling the truth, the only hole in that story is why the heck mafia chose to drug no feedback on a random target n1? Was Carafelli bussed by the kidnapper?

[FM Cafarelli]

Wrong. Betas, including escorts, cannot become savages.

@Black, Cafarelli had her uses, when she wasn't leading lynches against people solely for their investigative pairing.

so you don't want me to lead lynches on anyone i checked? lol. the lynch on phelps is not only because of the pairing. i've stated why he literally can't be escort. + why his defense sucked. + he was scummy before

[FM Rose]

If phelps is blackmailer then he could have just used the consort results.

[FM Parker]

There is the hole of random no feedback drugging n1. The mafia would be better served by doing an incorrect role in the game.
There's also the hole of the facts Carafelli is alive and all his pairings are correct. This still has not been clearly explained.
The mafia should have taken out investigators days ago. A simple kidnapping + attacking the other kidnapped person does the trick. The consensus is that we have a kidnapper anyway.

@Cafarelli, please attempt to be concise and clear with your reasoning then.

[FM Ackerman]

Escorts can't be recruited by the savages. Only gammas or deltas.

Thank you for pointing that out. I though betas could be converted but always turned savage, but it still doesn't mean they didn't invest morgan, it just showed that the pairing was not Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. The same logic with the exception of why the killed her then can be applied to any gamma role.

[FM Cafarelli]

oh wait i must have missed that monroe already said it's a lie. ok i'll soon post who i think was interviewed

[FM Phelps]

@FM Cavarelli

My night actions happened exactly like i mentioned earlier you can read it in the epilogue night action sheet. After the game. I got this

N4 Someone tried to roleblock you last night, but you were immune.
and
N5 Someone tried to roleblock you last night, but you were immune.

How the hell should i know why i got this 2 nights in a row? I can only assume that either

a) Someone should get himself checked by a doctor in rl.
b) Harry Potter
c) Drugs
d) I lie

I hate lies. I don't lie.
It's not like there are one millions of possibilities to this.

Also your reasoning is not really efficient. You find me scummy great. If you can't back that up with proper reasoning i can't take you serious. Stop taking random dots and just connecting them with a line. That's not how you play Forum Mafia. No matter what your role is nor your alignment you are doing not a good job at it.

[FM Ackerman]

There is the hole of random no feedback drugging n1. The mafia would be better served by doing an incorrect role in the game.
There's also the hole of the facts Carafelli is alive and all his pairings are correct. This still has not been clearly explained.
The mafia should have taken out investigators days ago. A simple kidnapping + attacking the other kidnapped person does the trick. The consensus is that we have a kidnapper anyway.

@Cafarelli, please attempt to be concise and clear with your reasoning then.

My theory has been confirmed to be incorrect I again believe caraf to be consig, and that she found morgan to be a non-cit alignment n1.

[FM Monroe]

But if the journalist interview carafelli, and she lied saying she wasn't that would have been brought up. So I'm starting to think Carafelli may be telling the truth, the only hole in that story is why the heck mafia chose to drug no feedback on a random target n1? Was Carafelli bussed by the kidnapper?

You seem to be forgetting that the journalist article was written the night after the consigliere got their first result. The journalist interviewed another mafia member (you?) and fed us the information from Cafarelli the consig, who mysteriously lost her feedback.

Even after Cafarelli's ruse was found, the mafia member who got interviewed could continue to put out the investigation findings Cafarelli got the nights she claims to have been drugged for at least 3 more days.

[FM Ackerman]

I will confirm that i was interwieved Night 2 by the corrupted journalist and night 3 by the ''other'' journalist.

If i read this correctly that confirms that our journalist did in fact interview the investigator?

[FM Rose]

So, if one of our escorts blocked phelps then he should have got a message that phelps is immune to roleblocks. If that escort didn't recieve any notification mentioning that phelps was immune then he can assume that phelps is a liar and reveal himself so we can lynch him.

[FM Monroe]

oh wait i must have missed that monroe already said it's a lie. ok i'll soon post who i think was interviewed

Myself and Ackerman. Mind you.

[FM Rose]

I was interviewed by the corrupted journalist during night 2. I even mentioned that i thought it was a corrutped journalist in my article.

[FM Ackerman]

You seem to be forgetting that the journalist article was written the night after the consigliere got their first result. The journalist interviewed another mafia member (you?) and fed us the information from Cafarelli the consig, who mysteriously lost her feedback.

Even after Cafarelli's ruse was found, the mafia member who got interviewed could continue to put out the investigation findings Cafarelli got the nights she claims to have been drugged for at least 3 more days.

I already rescinded this statement, it was on the assumption that escort could be converted. I again believe the journalists invest to be the real investigator and beg for the journalists to revisit for a juicy interview.

[FM Galloway]

Cafarelli seems to favor OMGUS defense and calls all his accusers scum themselves. Thats not really effective townness from what I see.
Please use logic cafa. My only reason for voting you is because of your lying. If you can logically explain why you lied Im ok with unvoting.

[FM Monroe]

I'm completely paranoid or I'm MVP for seeing through the mafia's schemes. I suspect it's the latter and that's why they want me gone.


I already rescinded this statement, it was on the assumption that escort could be converted. I again believe the journalists invest to be the real investigator and beg for the journalists to revisit for a juicy interview.

Don't bother. You'll get what you wanted to accomplish with that article. I just hope the added mislynch as a result will not happen. And the added trust in you won't happen either.

[FM Monroe]

Cafarelli seems to favor OMGUS defense and calls all his accusers scum themselves. Thats not really effective townness from what I see.
Please use logic cafa. My only reason for voting you is because of your lying. If you can logically explain why you lied Im ok with unvoting.

If you were mafia, would you jump in on the FoS to gain town cred?

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli seems to favor OMGUS defense and calls all his accusers scum themselves. Thats not really effective townness from what I see.
Please use logic cafa. My only reason for voting you is because of your lying. If you can logically explain why you lied Im ok with unvoting.

Galloway, I think you missed Post 217 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325714&viewfull=1#post325714).

What's your take on Buchwalter btw?

[FM Galloway]

If you were mafia, would you jump in on the FoS to gain town cred?

No. Typically the best actions mafia take are giving out a plausible reason for not voting someone, such as the flimsy reasoning on the Biggs train. The result of that train gives them town cred.

[FM Ackerman]

I'm completely paranoid or I'm MVP for seeing through the mafia's schemes. I suspect it's the latter and that's why they want me gone.



Don't bother. You'll get what you wanted to accomplish with that article. I just hope the added mislynch as a result will not happen. And the added trust in you won't happen either.

Are you implying that im the invest from the article? Because I'm not.

[FM Monroe]

I will start by leaving you all a hint to explain my play thus far.

11050

Since I will either die today or tonight, I will end this now.