Circlejerk Poll

[oops_ur_dead]

Some people have proposed the idea of bringing back circlejerk, but not making it entirely unmoderated. Posts wouldn't count towards post count, so we'd allow spamming and post farming, but not the blatant flaming that used to be there. What do you guys think of this idea?

[AppleyNO]

Only if you carry out your promise of making Damus CJ mod xD

In all seriousness, it was fun before the flaming. Since creed should be waching it, i doubt it will get out of hand this time.

+1

[BorkBot]

While flaming and personal attacks were a big problem, it wasn't the only problem. There was an excessive amount of poop and piss "humour" and an overload of swearing and it gave the community as a whole a rather immature image. I can't imagine that it made the site appealing for newcomers.

The constant spam was also very irritating for anyone who uses the new posts feature.

Any general fun stuff that could go into circlejerk can also go in the general discussion/off topic section imo.

[Admiral]

hide it from people with low post counts, or join dates < X months. Give it a moderator or two with no ban powers. Problem solved.

Put some weird features there while you're at it like vote to lock. Moderators ensure this isn't abused. Make the moderators have to get elected/re-elected so abuse of power does not go unpunished/people do their duty. They maintain their position until the community deems them useless/corrupt/abusive/irrelevant. In order to elect a new moderator, the collective must have a semi-good reason to ensure people just aren't trying to boot moderators for no reason. In the event that there is a recall, the actual staff will pick the next person.

Edit: Oh and a different color so they're only seen as the jerkerators.

[Raptorblaze]

Give Damus, Brendan, TimeTrx, and Bruno moderator of CJ. Should keep eachother in check.

[Brendan]

Not Damus, and not Bruno, Time would be a good mod as much as I don't like him. Bruno would edit everyone's posts it's been tried before... 4 is too many anyways. If he really doesn't want the position don't force it upon him.

[Damus_Graves]

Not Damus, and not Bruno, Time would be a good mod as much as I don't like him. Bruno would edit everyone's posts it's been tried before... 4 is too many anyways. If he really doesn't want the position don't force it upon him.

It's all fun and games mate.

If Oops wants to make me a mod I won't fight it.
The hide from users with less posts/newer users is kinda stupid. So is constantly switching out moderators. Leave that to Rap and Oops and the other mods plz.
Also with Circlejerk would need a couple of rules to be put in:

No excessive flames
No RL information links (Facebook, Twitter, etc.)
No Autoplay spam
No Nudity without NSFW spoilers

[Bunny]

lol make me mod i know all zee rools.

[TimeTrx]

No CJ, because it is not like it will be abused again, oh wait it will. I'm willing to bet on it.

It was removed for a reason, it was abused. Why should we bring it back?

If its going to be moderated why not call it general discussion #2? Or rename general discussion CJ?

I would like to hear opinions on why we should bring it back so we can all discuss the pros and cons as a group.

[Roflcopter]

I would definitely be for this.

What about a troll-reward system?

Every 1 post toward your post count allows 10 cj posts, then people will still be productive in other forums.

[Lazers]

"Moderated" form of Circlejerk = General Discussion

why the fuck does this poll exist

[Damus_Graves]

"Moderated" form of Circlejerk = General Discussion

why the fuck does this poll exist

Supposedly the rules would be much more lax
however this is a fair point.

[TimeTrx]

"Moderated" form of Circlejerk = General Discussion

why the fuck does this poll exist
Exactly, we don't need another.

[Admiral]

"Moderated" form of Circlejerk = General Discussion

why the fuck does this poll exist

Because as much as I hate to agree with anything reddit does beccause they are mostly a bunch of downies, they do circlejerking right.

[Jim]

Well I get almost every off topic thread I post in gen disc deleted even though they break no forum rules but they would be CJ material.


I would like to hear opinions on why we should bring it back so we can all discuss the pros and cons as a group.

Well seeing as a large majority of the community wants it back besides you I think that is just about all the reasoning needed behind it.

[Slaol]

We need a safe place to post sinks. Also there are a few people that should be made a mod of something, but don't warrant anything that is legitimate.
Add Glip to Raptor's group and you have a nice medley of people that should form into one overall mod. Allow Creed/Cap the ability to also moderate it, and bang! You have 7 moderators on a mostly un-moderated forum.

[Jr4life24]

It would be nice to see Cj back. The moderators i feel should mostly be there to delete spam/hate threads (Bruno). But other then that it should be like the old days of CJ that it was mostly unmoderated besides from things that would break site rules.

[Jim]

Also Oops should make quality sigs again, 3 people in this thread have them and they just are the best things ever. (I was next on the list to receive one)

[Ash]

Bruno
Hey man what are you smoking?

I don't really like the idea of Damus, Timetrx, and especially Bruno being a moderator of future Circlejerk. I also don't want Scaredkingx to be mod because he won't do his job properly... Circlejerk needs an EXPERIENCED moderator because it's supposed to be the subforum with the most trolling.
If we actually had a good moderator to ban and delete the flame threads in the old CJ, then it would've never been deleted in the first place.


hide it from people with low post counts, or join dates < X months.
I like this idea.

Give it a moderator or two with no ban powers.
I don't like this idea. As far as I know, moderators give infractions. If you mean "Give it a moderator or two with no infraction powers" then I still disagree, because it could still cause a flame war.


p.s: everyone should hail to ash. if it wasnt 4 me then oops wouldnt have considered it 8)

[Jim]

Hey man what are you smoking?

I don't really like the idea of Damus, Timetrx, and especially Bruno being a moderator of future Circlejerk. I also don't want Scaredkingx to be mod because he won't do his job properly... Circlejerk needs an EXPERIENCED moderator because it's supposed to be the subforum with the most trolling.
If we actually had a good moderator to ban and delete the flame threads in the old CJ, then it would've never been deleted in the first place.


I like this idea.

I don't like this idea. As far as I know, moderators give infractions. If you mean "Give it a moderator or two with no infraction powers" then I still disagree, because it could still cause a flame war.

Ya I agree but I am torn between having a responsible troll as the mod or having a a current mod that we all lyspect on to do (Can't have both cus no troll mods that would do this and also Creed is a no go for me.)

[Slaol]

Ya I agree but I am torn between having a responsible troll as the mod or having a a current mod that we all lyspect on to do (Can't have both cus no troll mods that would do this and also Creed is a no go for me.)

I volunteer. I like'm sinks.

[creedkingsx]

wut lol

[Damus_Graves]

I volunteer. I like'm sinks.

You are already a mod.

[Jim]

I volunteer. I like'm sinks.

Too new soz, also I don't think enough lyspect has materialised for this position.

[Cryptonic]

Make Bunny + Damus Co-mods of it.
Nothing would get by those 2.

[Jim]

Make Bunny + Damus Co-mods of it.
Nothing would get by those 2.

But Bunny and Damus were the reasons the old one was locked, I say neither of them.

[Damus_Graves]

But Bunny and Damus were the reasons the old one was locked, I say neither of them.

All I did was suggest it get deleted

[Slaol]

But Bunny and Damus were the reasons the old one was locked, I say neither of them.

As far as I can tell- The first post in this thread with effort.

[Glip]

If Circlejerk were to be brought back, it would need to have a set of very clearly defined and rigidly and equally enforced ground rules in order to prevent it from "becoming fuck" again. Damus had the right idea. There needs to be no grey area or confusion about the rules so that users know exactly what is expectd, and so that there can be no legitimate outcry from users if they get infracted in Circlejerk. It doesn't necessarily need to have the same rules as General Discussion.

It should be stuff like:

No personal attacks against other users.
No nudity whatsoever. (Not even YouTube-approved nudity.)
Do not make threads calling out staff members. Any problems or disputes with staff members should be handled in the Answer Hall.
No posting of any other user's personal information (address, name, Facebook/Twitter account, etc.)
No reversal of mod edits. (No re-editing in or reposting anything a mod edited out/deleted, etc.)
*Do not quote autoplay videos. No more than 1 autoplay video per page (50 posts) per thread may be posted.
**Moderators reserve the right to edit/delete any posts for whatever reason at their own discretion. However, only violations of the above listed rules may result in infractions. If you feel a moderator is abusing this power, take it up with staff in the Answer Hall.

*You may wish to just ban autoplay videos altogether.

**This is the sort of catch-all rule that will allow moderators discretionary use of their powers in situations where they are called for even if there was no technical rule violation. For instance, if someone posts some "br00tal" autoplay video in a thread where some users are trying to have an actual conversation, and the users express complaints about the video, the moderator can remove the video without infracting the poster. Ideally, the moderators would be people we can trust to not abuse these powers. And if not, Super Mods+ can take whatever disciplinary actions they choose at their discretion.

Strict enforcement of these rules would probably require atleast one dedicated CJ mod. If CircleJerk does get reinstated and you so choose, I wouldn't mind the job.


The constant spam was also very irritating for anyone who uses the new posts feature.

If it's at all possible, it may not be a bad idea to have Circlejerk posts excluded from the new posts feature. To prevent the unnecessary spam of irrelevant posts for those who use that feature.

[Jim]

To add to ur list Glip I think 2 more things
1.MC Explicit is dead and may never come back.
2.Banned trolls (like Arch or Tilloup) will be only able to post in CJ rather than being banned altogether if not banned for things they posted in CJ.

[TimeTrx]

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/please-do-not-feed-the-troll_002.jpg

[Glip]

To add to ur list Glip I think 2 more things
1.MC Explicit is dead and may never come back.
2.Banned trolls (like Arch or Tilloup) will be only able to post in CJ rather than being banned altogether if not banned for things they posted in CJ.

1. I'm not so sure about this. I think the whole idea of Circlejerk was to have a place where users were allowed to do such things (without personally attacking other users) without getting edited, deleted, locked, infracted, etc. Granted, if it becomes excessive and there are too many complaints about it, the moderator discretion rule may come into action.

2. This was already in place before CJ was archived. When users get banned, after a certain time they became "Restricted Users" that could only post in Circlejerk. I don't see a problem with this being reinstated as well.

[Raptorblaze]

All I did was suggest it get deleted

I actually had no idea when I went to oops about it becoming fuck, I just knew people had gone on to IRL harassment.

[Brendan]

There's nothing wrong with personally attacking a user as long as it doesn't go too far. There is a certain line that shouldn't be crossed. Glip's rules are much too strict for Circle jerk, however some of them are obviously going to be enforced. Moderators of Circle jerk will (most likely) be normal moderators, because, for one, oops is too lazy to make a new user group, and two, there isn't a point. They should be able to infract and ban because there will still be rules, however lax they may be. Sorry for grammatical errors etc. on my phone. Tl;dr: rules are for moderator interpretation (even creed4king -_-).

[Damus_Graves]

It's all fun and games mate.

If Oops wants to make me a mod I won't fight it.
The hide from users with less posts/newer users is kinda stupid. So is constantly switching out moderators. Leave that to Rap and Oops and the other mods plz.
Also with Circlejerk would need a couple of rules to be put in:

No excessive flames
No RL information links (Facebook, Twitter, etc.)
No Autoplay spam
No Nudity without NSFW spoilers


Hence these rules.
They are lax enough to allow for spammy posts and thread but they are strict enough to, hopefully, keep CJ from becoming shit again

[creedkingsx]

I actually like the way Glip outlined the rules, that should be in place should CJ come back, the best.
Leaves a clause for moderator interpretation.

[Glip]

There's nothing wrong with personally attacking a user as long as it doesn't go too far. There is a certain line that shouldn't be crossed. Glip's rules are much too strict for Circle jerk, however some of them are obviously going to be enforced. Moderators of Circle jerk will (most likely) be normal moderators, because, for one, oops is too lazy to make a new user group, and two, there isn't a point. They should be able to infract and ban because there will still be rules, however lax they may be. Sorry for grammatical errors etc. on my phone. Tl;dr: rules are for moderator interpretation (even creed4king -_-).

In my opinion, when it can be defined as an "attack," it has already gone too far. And I'm sorry if you think no autoplay spam, no nudity, and no attacking other members is too strict rules for CJ.

[Brendan]

Damus's rules are better than Glip's imo. Some need to be added though. Circle jerk should be a place where you shouldn't have to worry about being infracted unless you are being absolutely autismal/giving out personal information or spamming gay porn...

[Brendan]

Take Damus's rules and add some from Glip's and you will have a winning list.

[Glip]

Damus's rules are better than Glip's imo. Some need to be added though. Circle jerk should be a place where you shouldn't have to worry about being infracted unless you are being absolutely autismal/giving out personal information or spamming gay porn...

Damus's rules = my rules.

I just tried to word them more clearly so that there's no grey area on whether something should be infracted or not. (which would otherwise result in outrage from users (ala Frostbyte) when disciplinary action is taken against CJ posts)

The only thing I changed was no nudity whatsoever, rather than just in NSFW spoiler tags.

[Fatalis]

Hmm Idk.. the posting quality have improved over time since CJ is gone...

[creedkingsx]

Hmm Idk.. the posting quality have improved over time since CJ is gone...

That's because I delete, or more so at the time of CJ's removal, a lot of threads that most people don't get a chance to see. xD

[Jim]

Hmm Idk.. the posting quality have improved over time since CJ is gone...

Yes but I can't start threads on the issues I care about.
Also it's not like Gen Disc would go away, meaningful threads can still go there.

[creedkingsx]

Yes but I can't start threads on the issues I care about.
Also it's not like Gen Disc would go away, meaningful threads can still go there.

What kind of issues?

[Fatalis]

That's because I delete, or more so at the time of CJ's removal, a lot of threads that most people don't get a chance to see. xD

:O

[Brendan]

That's what I was taking about Glip. You have a lot more rules as well. Gray areas are where the interpretation comes in to play.

[Glip]

That's what I was taking about Glip. You have a lot more rules as well. Gray areas are where the interpretation comes in to play.

The only rules I added were either already existing rules (Don't call out staff members) or common sense (Don't undo mod edits, allow mod interpretation).

Everything else is from Damus's list.

[Brendan]

Undoing mod edits is fine as long as long as you don't put back what was deleted without a reasonable explanation. Calling out staff members in Circle jerk is fine, but if you want your issue to actually be addressed/taken seriously by senior staff members you should take it to answer hall. (Most) Nudity is fine under nsfw spoilers etc.

[Glip]

Undoing mod edits is fine as long as there is a reasonable explanation. Calling out staff members in Circle jerk is fine, but if you want your issue to actually be addressed seriously by senior staff members you should take it to answer hall. (most) Nudity is fine under nsfw spoilers etc.

It'll be up to the existing staff to determine what the exact rules shall be. Mine were just a suggestion.

In the past, calling out staff members and nudity has been completely disallowed in Circle jerk, and there have been infractions for undoing mod edits.

If you look at the rules still posted in the archived Circlejerk, they already state

No calling out staff members
No nudity whatsoever
No severe insults/attacks
No autoplay spam, no quoting autoplay

[Jim]

It'll be up to the existing staff to determine what the exact rules shall be. Mine were just a suggestion.

In the past, calling out staff members and nudity has been completely disallowed in Circle jerk, and there have been infractions for undoing mod edits.

People still called out staff members but ya nudity was forbidden, and I don't know anything about mod edits cus I never really noticed.

[creedkingsx]

Hmm.
He is sort of right. I think it is okay to undo mod edits, if you are undoing in the sense that you are re-writing it to not cause another edit.

I don't agree with calling out mods because that is been stated to be a site wide limit to answer hall. If you aren't making a complaint or anything huge like that, then meh, like if you are like, "Oh rap, I bet I'm better at you at (Game X)" or some shit.

Nudity is also a site wide no-no. If it is light nudity, then I'd either do a warning or just remove it manually for first time offenses.

[Brendan]

I swear the old rules said it was allowed under nsfw spoilers...

[Glip]

Hmm.
He is sort of right. I think it is okay to undo mod edits, if you are undoing in the sense that you are re-writing it to not cause another edit.

I don't agree with calling out mods because that is been stated to be a site wide limit to answer hall. If you aren't making a complaint or anything huge like that, then meh, like if you are like, "Oh rap, I bet I'm better at you at (Game X)" or some shit.

Nudity is also a site wide no-no. If it is light nudity, then I'd either do a warning or just remove it manually for first time offenses.

If you're editing yourself to comply with rules after a mod has edited you, that's not undoing a mod edit. Undoing a mod edit would just be putting back in the same stuff (or similar stuff that would still require another mod edit) after a mod edits/deletes it.

[creedkingsx]

If you're editing yourself to comply with rules after a mod has edited you, that's not undoing a mod edit. Undoing a mod edit would just be putting back in the same stuff (or similar stuff that would still require another mod edit) after a mod edits/deletes it.

I figured that's the way you would mean it, but clarification has been brought to surface.


I swear the old rules said it was allowed under nsfw spoilers...

If they ever said that, it was before I was mod.

[Glip]

I figured that's the way you would mean it, but clarification has been brought to surface.

I meant undo as in literal ctrl+z :P Like I said in the original rules post. Re-editing in something a mod edited out. Not editing in a fixed version that a mod wouldn't need to edit.

Additionally, I believe CJ moderation should be more designed around trying to find reasons to NOT give people infractions, and only actually infracting when there's absolutely no grey area about whether or not a rule has been violated and the post deserves an infraction.

Infraction points should also be minor. Probably just 1 per infraction, unless the violation gets extremely severe.

[TimeTrx]

Look what this discussion has done, pre-Circle-Jerk Threads are already forming in General Discussion. >.> Anyone want Forum Spam anyone, maybe with cheese?

In related news, my post count went up!

[creedkingsx]

Look what this discussion has done, pre-Circle-Jerk Threads are already forming in General Discussion. >.> Anyone want Forum Spam anyone, maybe with cheese?

Where? :O

[Roflcopter]

Look what this discussion has done, pre-Circle-Jerk Threads are already forming in General Discussion. >.> Anyone want Forum Spam anyone, maybe with cheese?

I said this in skype chat already.

And yes lol, either

A) Moderators crack down on CJesque threads in gen disc

B) CJ reopens.

[TimeTrx]

I like plan A, can we do plan A?

[Admiral]

Make Bunny Co-mod of it.

Fuck no.

[Ash]

I'm okay with the majority of Glip's rules. Nudity has always been banned in the forums, but I think autoplay videos should be allowed every 20 posts.

p.s: creed and timetrx, stop post farming ffs

edit: i got negrepped by 1 point for my first post in page 1... guess who it is.... lmfao

[Gzz]

Make the Cj choosing of mods a poll between the best posters in the forum ( active one ) and vote them , something like :
Gzz : i posted 5 useful for a discussion posts in the last week and i did it for like 1-2 months , i can be candidated .
Rolf : i posted 300 spam postas in the ofrum and did nothign the last month , i can' t be candidated
Brendan : I did osmething similar to Gzz , so i am one of the candidate .

This poll will be Trimestral , with eventual deposition if the Mod abuse of his powers

[Ash]

Make the Cj choosing of mods a poll between the best posters in the forum ( active one ) and vote them , something like :
Gzz : i posted 5 useful for a discussion posts in the last week and i did it for like 1-2 months , i can be candidated .
Rolf : i posted 300 spam postas in the ofrum and did nothign the last month , i can' t be candidated
Brendan : I did osmething similar to Gzz , so i am one of the candidate .

This poll will be Trimestral , with eventual deposition if the Mod abuse of his powers
No, the new rebrought subforum doesn't mean there will be a new moderator. Plus, 99% of moderators (with exception of Slaol, Akira, and a few others) usually climb up the ranks from keeper to become a moderator.

I'm all up for Brendan becoming a moderator though :D

[oops_ur_dead]

For instance, if someone posts some "br00tal" autoplay video in a thread where some users are trying to have an actual conversation, and the users express complaints about the video, the moderator can remove the video without infracting the poster.
u taking shit about teh br00tz?


Moderators of Circle jerk will (most likely) be normal moderators, because, for one, oops is too lazy to make a new user group
Actually I can make people moderators of forums without having greenname.

[oops_ur_dead]

No, the new rebrought subforum doesn't mean there will be a new moderator. Plus, 99% of moderators (with exception of Slaol, Kevinpowers, and a few others) usually climb up the ranks from keeper to become a moderator.

I'm all up for Brendan becoming a moderator though :D

Ehm, Kevinpowers was a keeper first. He was never a moderator.

[Ash]

u taking shit about teh br00tz?


Actually I can make people moderators of forums without having greenname.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzMgYkBeogc&feature=player_embedded#!

also fixed my previous post.. i wasnt sure abotu kevinpowers anymore

[Yayap]

- Instead of CJ, call it "Off Topic"
- Rules should be lax for spam only, all other rules should apply aka: no flame wars, NO NUDITY, etc


and no... I do not support this coming back.

[CmG]

Thats the best idea right after the invention of compound interest!

[Brendan]

Actually I can make people moderators of forums without having greenname.

I am well aware of this. (it's annoying not being able to infract people for doing stupid shit though)

[Auckmid]

Circlejerk failed because it was almost COMPLETELY unmoderated. However, just posting all off-topic stuff in General Discusion is not going well. If you scroll down the first page of General Discusion a bit, you'll find TWELVE locked threads all in a row.

New Circlejerk should not be completely unmoderated like last time. However, there needs to be an off topic board which is more lax and easier on spam the General Discusion.

Edit: For everyone who thinks that General Discusion is just as good a place to post spammy topics, LOOK INTO THE WALL OF LOCKS :0
7410

[Brendan]

Lol it would be more interesting to see all of the soft deleted threads.

[creedkingsx]

Lol it would be more interesting to see all of the soft deleted threads.

6 on the first page, right now. lol

[Admiral]

- Instead of CJ, call it "Off Topic"
- Rules should be lax for spam only, all other rules should apply aka: no flame wars, NO NUDITY, etc


and no... I do not support this coming back.

Why? Is there a bandwidth cap in place that is forcing there to be only 4 threads a day instead of 8?

[BorkBot]

- Instead of CJ, call it "Off Topic"
- Rules should be lax for spam only, all other rules should apply aka: no flame wars, NO NUDITY, etc


and no... I do not support this coming back.
I'd vote Yes for that.

The name circlejerk alone just invites a lot of garbage posts.

[Roflcopter]

General Discussion(4 Viewing)
Post all of your off-topic and unrelated discussions here.

You just suggested an already existant forum >.>
General discussion is already a hybrid of circle jerk and actual discussion by nature, the only thing I could think of would be having serious discussion and general discussion be two identically large forums with one being the lax off topic, and the other for actual discussion like movies, anime, other games, instead of exclusively political topics like gun control or drugs.

[BorkBot]

General Discussion isn't lax for spam though.

[Cryptonic]

Circlejerk should just be a [circlejerk] tag on the topic in gen.disc.
In tagged topics, you should be allowed to post an autoplay once every 20 post page.
And you can go off topic as much as you want in it, and have conversations.

[Roflcopter]

Circlejerk should just be a [circlejerk] tag on the topic in gen.disc.
In tagged topics, you should be allowed to post an autoplay once every 20 post page.
And you can go off topic as much as you want in it, and have conversations.

So the less spammy topics are pushed back by a bunch of [circlejerk] topics?
No thank you.



General Discussion isn't lax for spam though.

What I'm suggesting is to lax gen disc, and make serious disc it's own forum, probably with different moderators for both forums.
As people have already said, circlejerk as a name invites spam and flaming, general discussion would be a good name for people posting any random thing they may want to, while the serious discussion would remain moderated more strictly and involve talking about roughly half of the gen disc posts, such as media, entertainment, books, games, politics, etc.

[Cryptonic]

You don't need more than 1 active CJ topic at any given time.

[Roflcopter]

You don't need more than 1 active CJ topic at any given time.

Have you seen gen disc recently? It will move on to another active topic every couple minutes.

[Cryptonic]

Because you can't post off topic in gen disc.
So, people have to make their own topics.

A Circlejerk topic has many different topics that can last an hour or last 5 minutes before its changed again.

[Roflcopter]

So why make gen disc more crowded and try to blend two types of people into one forum, instead of making two forums to cater to both groups?

By groups, I mean the type of people who make and participate in circlejerks, and those that avoid them.

[Cryptonic]

I'm just giving my thoughts, from what I have seen work before in larger communities.
Might not be what Oops wants, but just adding options.
I couldn't care less if CJ is added back or not.

I also don't see why people would avoid CJ topics, it's a great way for the entire community to bond and grow.

[Roflcopter]

I'm just giving my thoughts, from what I have seen work before in larger communities.
Might not be what Oops wants, but just adding options.
I couldn't care less if CJ is added back or not.

I also don't see why people would avoid CJ topics, it's a great way for the entire community to bond and grow.

I personally don't see it that way, there are some people that love circlejerk esque thing and participate, some that are fine either way, and some that avoid it like the plague. I'm just trying to see a way for all three types of members to enjoy themselves, and to me having two separate forums entirely is the best way as you don't even have to look at one or the other.

[Lysergic]

lyspect

I see what you did there.

EDIT:

Just went through and read the rest of the thread.

I personally feel that if the majority of the community wants CJ back, give it to them.

But the old rules will still apply; autoplay videos - infracted, nudity - banned, massive flaming/harassment - infracted.

I personally don't think "attacking mods" should be against the rules in something like CJ, given that (as has been pointed out) anyone who has a SERIOUS complaint will go to Answer Hall (whereas anyone who just wants to troll and be an idiot can go to CJ, where mods will just ignore the topic).

If CJ was brought back, I'd be keeping a close eye on it, though.

[Jim]

Lysergic has enough lyspect to run CJ and I agree with all of his rules.
Lusergic for CJ 2012, I belive in you and hope you are a good lobbyist Ly.

[Lazers]

Bring back circlejerk and make everyone moderators in it

[Gingerape]

I miss circlejerk, because now I get infracted for every post I make T-T

[Apocist]

I don't understand why people can't just post reasonably... Theres no point in circlejerk, otherwise there would be no point in mods.

[Jim]

I don't understand why people can't just post reasonably... Theres no point in circlejerk, otherwise there would be no point in mods.

So lets just get rid of the mods then??

[CmG]

Why not getting rid of the trolls instead?

[Lysergic]

I don't understand why people can't just post reasonably... Theres no point in circlejerk, otherwise there would be no point in mods.

I think people want a place where they can just spam it up without getting infracted. Seeing that there have been problems with people getting infracted for spamming in sections where there is no post count, having something like CJ seems like a decent enough idea.

My only concern is that CJ will replace GD in terms of activity (I vaguely recall GD being completely dead when CJ was around).


So lets just get rid of the mods then??

Good call! I will ban them immediately. xD


EDIT:

I just had an idea.

The reason CJ was removed was because it turned into a flame fest of users insulting each other.

But people want an "unmoderated" place to post spammy / off topic content.

Solution:

Bring back CJ, with the rules I discussed above. However, rule violations get 3x infraction in CJ.

So a 5 point "Severe Insulting Other Users" violation becomes a 15 point temp ban.

However, there would still be no rules against content in CJ posts OTHER than flaming/harassing, nudity, and auto-play.

Also, want to reiterate, I give 0 shits about whether or not we have a "don't bad mouth staff" rule in CJ. Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing to give everyone a place to vent consequence-free (so long as it doesn't turn into a personal attack).

[TimeTrx]

There are pros and cons, to both sides. If you remember the poll to get rid of it, it was a 50-50 split. The biggest complains were:

-It turning into a flamefest.
-Nothing posted but Spam and Personal Attacks
-General discussion had no posts compared to CJ, FM, etc.

The big reasons in favor of CJ:

-It keeps spammers and trolls to there own area
-It was designed for where nothing else on the forums could go



However Glip makes a point which I would to address:

"What does Circlejerk provide that General Discussion WILL not, if Circlejerk were to be removed?

I believe deleting Circlejerk would do nothing but cause what currently goes on in Circlejerk to instead take place in General Discussion, albeit maybe with harsher moderation. I'll guarantee you the mods won't be too excited about making more work for themselves." -Glip

Did the harsher moderation work or not? Did 'what currently goes on in Circlejerk to instead take place in General Discussion' actually happen?

Source: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/13818-Get-rid-of-circlejerk

I personally believe that people can change if they want to, since anyone can just complain about it on these forums, it will never get better. I personally understand both sides of the story. Ash, Bruno, Bunny, etc. want an area to post whatever they want. However when one personally attacks other users just because of disagreements or personal agenda, it degrades you as a person. Therefore, if Circle-Jerk comes back, nothing will change except that we as people will degrade our selves to a lower level by allowing bigotry and hate to continue.


Just look at the quality of the posts. They have improve not just in General Discussion, but across the entire forum.

[Apocist]

I think people want a place where they can just spam it up without getting infracted. Seeing that there have been problems with people getting infracted for spamming in sections where there is no post count, having something like CJ seems like a decent enough idea.

My only concern is that CJ will replace GD in terms of activity (I vaguely recall GD being completely dead when CJ was around).



Good call! I will ban them immediately. xD


EDIT:

I just had an idea.

The reason CJ was removed was because it turned into a flame fest of users insulting each other.

But people want an "unmoderated" place to post spammy / off topic content.

Solution:

Bring back CJ, with the rules I discussed above. However, rule violations get 3x infraction in CJ.

So a 5 point "Severe Insulting Other Users" violation becomes a 15 point temp ban.

However, there would still be no rules against content in CJ posts OTHER than flaming/harassing, nudity, and auto-play.

Also, want to reiterate, I give 0 shits about whether or not we have a "don't bad mouth staff" rule in CJ. Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing to give everyone a place to vent consequence-free (so long as it doesn't turn into a personal attack).

So a moderated CJ, basically GD with much less rules, regulations, and limitations, yet protecting the simple and necessary aspect that keeps this forum decent.

Now one must determine what rules are to be set into place, and who can judge whether those rules are crossed or not.

[Lysergic]

So a moderated CJ, basically GD with much less rules, regulations, and limitations, yet protecting the simple and necessary aspect that keeps this forum decent.

Now one must determine what rules are to be set into place, and who can judge whether those rules are crossed or not.

The rules would be no nudity, no autoplay, and no personal attacks.

And I imagine it would fall to GenDisc mods and Supers to enforce them. I'm more than willing to do it.

Though again, I don't really have a dog in this fight; it just seems that (according to the poll) most of the current users want CJ back. This is how to make it workable.

[Gingerape]

I seriously just want a place to spam since I've been infracted 3 times this month for spam

[Brendan]

I want CJ so creed doesn't delete all of my threads and infract my posts for "spam".

[Jim]

I want CJ so creed doesn't delete all of my threads and infract my posts for "spam".

He does the same thing to me but I am never infracted cus he is probably scurred of me.

[Jim]

I could infract you Mintberry Crunch if you want someone to share some love with you ;)

1.Off topic and a real mod plz delete this post farming.

2.I think that CJ should just be a seperate entity all the way at the bottom of the site below all the archives so new people don't notice it too soon and get disscuraged, also Ly has enough lyspect to be mod so I think he should be.

[Lysergic]

No infractions for the 4 posts I just had to delete, but keep it on topic please. >.>

[CmG]

And who will be the mod for that? Is this another Roflcopter ploy?

[Jim]

And who will be the mod for that? Is this another Roflcopter ploy?

It will be Ly (I Hope) he said he would be cool-ish to do it and for got sakes I hope none of the new mods get it because it would be the worst thing ever.

[Lysergic]

I'll be keeping an eye on it either way. But I wouldn't mind having one particular section to call my own, since Slaol nabbed R&D from me too (thanks oops). xP

[Gingerape]

I'll be keeping an eye on it either way. But I wouldn't mind having one particular section to call my own, since Slaol nabbed R&D from me too (thanks oops). xP

Moderate me o///o

Over 20 people votes Yes so when do we get it~

[Apocist]

Moderate me o///o


There are already those that do

[Slaol]

I'll be keeping an eye on it either way. But I wouldn't mind having one particular section to call my own, since Slaol nabbed R&D from me too (thanks oops). xP

And it's never looked better. ;) lol, it's not like you don't still have all the power. lol

[Ash]

Moderate me o///o

Over 20 people votes Yes so when do we get it~
No one wants to moderator a big hairy man.

Agreed, above 70% have voted yes, which means it should be satisfactory.
Maybe more people should vote? Bumping this thread...