Randoms

[creedkingsx]

Suggest by Sraw in another, public thread, that I think is a really good idea.



These "roles" would be filed under the random set.


Neutral Killer:
Randomly picks between Arsonist and Serial Killer
Adding this option would then remove the need of "Exclude Non-Killers" from Random Neutral.
Exclude Non-Killers shouldn't exist on Basic Neutral or Adv. Neutral anyway, as its 100% serial killer or arsonist respectively. (until you add more killers anyway)


Town Detector:
Randomly picks between Sheriff, Investigator, possibly Lookout, and Detective


Town Killer: (Name might need tweaking)
Randomly picks between Vigilante, Jailor, and possibly Bodyguard.


In the case of adding Cult Roles (I hope you do eventually)
Random Cult
Randomly picks between the roles allied with cult, like cult detector, cult blocker(escort/bg?), whatever gets added.

[Damus_Graves]

+1. would make fore more organized saves i guess. or easier to tell what can be what

[creedkingsx]

He stated he knows how to force these anyways, but I agree with him in saying that this would just be better along with the generic Basic Town and such.

[Gingerape]

+1
it would be cool if there was a custom town
or something thats not-so-random like this.
like the host has a save slot and in that save slot there's an option for 'custom' town which can contain up to 5 roles.
kinda like town detector but can be any 5 town roles the host wants, allowing more variability.

[Gingerape]

i also think it would be cool if you could -prefer mafia or -prefer neutral alignments.

[McKinley]

This is a good idea. While it may not be -necessary- to do this, it allows for more organized, easier to read and understand, and also prevents confusion with new players and those who don't know the alignments of the roles by heart (which a lot of people don't to begin with).

[Lazers]

I'd prefer more in depth randomization, like assigning different roles to each random slot. But that'd make knowing if a setup is crap or not hard, so yeah +1

[Nick]

+1

EDIT: Much better than existing Basic/Advanced which means nothing.

[Lysergic]

Definitely +1 from me.

[Elixir]

I support this. Shouldn't be a hard change.

We wont be doing custom randoms, however.

[creedkingsx]

Due to triggers, there is a limit.
We have 12 random slots we can make for the game. LET US DISCUSS ONE WHAT TO DO
Start with town.

1 Investigative Town: Investigator, Sheriff, Coroner, Detective, Lookout, spy
2 Random Town: all
3 Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader
4 Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver
5 Town Killing: Jailor, Bodyguard, Veteran, Vigilante
6 Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Doctor, Sheriff
7 Benign Neutral: Jester, Survivor, Amnesiac
8 Evil Neutral: Cultist, Witch, Executioner
9 Killing Neutral: Arsonist, Serial Killer, Spree Killer
10 Mafia Deception: Framer, Janitor, Blackmailer
11 Mafia Killer: Godfather, Mafioso, Disguiser
12 Mafia Support: Consort, Consigliere,

[Elixir]

As above ;/

[5:18:07 PM] Dark Revenant: elixir
[5:18:11 PM] Dark Revenant: the only thing i'd be willing todo
[5:18:21 PM] Dark Revenant: is to completely scrap the current randoms and replace them with something else
[5:18:24 PM] Dark Revenant: im NOT adding new ones
[5:18:41 PM] Dark Revenant: so instead of
[5:18:47 PM] Dark Revenant: Random Advanced Town or some bullshit
[5:18:56 PM] Elixir: Adv Town and Basic Town can change to
[5:19:00 PM] Elixir: Killing Town and Non Killing Town
[5:19:05 PM] Elixir: Keep full random town as is
[5:19:09 PM] Dark Revenant: it would be Random Investigative
[5:19:15 PM] Dark Revenant: Random Killer
[5:19:17 PM] Dark Revenant: (for town)
[5:19:27 PM] Creedkingsx: I am fine with that
[5:19:29 PM] Creedkingsx: the latter
[5:19:43 PM] Dark Revenant: so
[5:19:45 PM] Dark Revenant: come up with 12 random slots that are like that


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(THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS)

Town:

Town Investigative: Sheriff, Investigator, Coroner, Tracker, Watcher, Spy.
Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver
Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader
Town Killing: Vigilante, Jailor, Bodyguard, Veteran.
Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Doctor, Sheriff.
Random Town

Neutral:

Benign Neutral (Amnesiac, Survivor, Jester, Executioner)
Evil Neutral (Witch, Cultist)
Killing Neutral (Serial Killer, Arsonist)

Mafia:

Deception Mafia: (Janitor, Framer, Blackmailer)
Killing Mafia: (Godfather, Mafioso, Disguiser)
Support Mafia: (Consigliere, Consort, (Intern?))

Any:

Random Any

[creedkingsx]

6 Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Doctor, Sheriff
3 Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader

The discussion right now is to be over these two above, or
Town Voter: Citizen, Mason, Mayor, Mason Leader
Random Any

[Dark.Revenant]

I can probably get away with 13 or 14 if I'm lucky, but no more.

Current draft: (If a role appears twice, it's intended; there is some overlap on roles that are rare in the first place)

Neutral Benign: Jester, Executioner, Survivor, Amnesiac
Neutral Evil: Cultist, Witch, Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist
Neutral Killing: Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist

Random Town: (All Town - only way to random Spy or Coroner)
Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Sheriff, Doctor
Town Killing: Vigilante, Bodyguard, Veteran, Jailor
Town Investigative: Sheriff, Investigator, Lookout, Detective
Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver
Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader, Veteran

Random Mafia: (All Mafia)
Mafia Killing: Godfather, Mafioso, Disguiser
Mafia Deception: Janitor, Framer, Disguiser
Mafia Support: Consigliere, Consort, Blackmailer

Random Any: (All Roles)

[creedkingsx]

I can probably get away with 13 or 14 if I'm lucky, but no more.

Well then got with Elixir's at 13 and I think it is good.

[Damus_Graves]

Well then got with Elixir's at 13 and I think it is good.

Im glad this is getting support.

[Elixir]

Ideas in this thread are still being ironed out.

Keep it in R and D fellas.

[Kromos]

The only change I'd make to DR's list is to take the witch out of neutral evil and put it in benign. There's a big difference between the witch and the other roles in neutral evil and I think neutral evil would work well if you want games with cult OR a neutral killer as they present a similar threat to the town.

This removes the need for the neutral killer slot as you can exclude cult from randoms or make a new option to exclude cult from the slot, making only neutral killers possible in the neutral evil slot. I think witch fits ok in neutral benign but there could be an option to exclude it from the slot like there is for excluding basic or advanced roles atm.

[Nick]

Town Core maybe for mason game. No comments.
Too many roles for Town Investigative. Break it up. Transfer Spy and Coroner somewhere else.
Town Power seemed out of place. Not sure if really needed.

Are we going to dwell into options for each?

Eg. Town Core
1) Exclude Citizen
2) Exclude Mason
etc.

[Dark.Revenant]

Next Patch

[Mugy]

Time to relearn mafia

[creedkingsx]

Time to relearn mafia

lol most of it is intuitive :P

[Nick]

Random suggestions for discussion. Welcome to TRASH IT if it didn't fit your save.

Random Neutral
= No Killing: Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist
= No Evil: Witch, Cultist
= No Benign: Executioner, Jester, Amnesiac, Survivor

Neutral Killing
= No Serial Killer
= No Arsonist
= No Mass Murderer

Neutral Non-killing
= No Cultist

Random Town 1
= No Citizen
= No Basic Town
= No Advanced Town

Random Town 2

Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Mason Leader, Mayor
= No Mason, Mason Leader
= No Citizen

Town Killing: Vigilante, Bodyguard, Veteran, Jailor
= No Veteran

Town Investigative: Sheriff, Investigator, Lookout, Detective, Spy, Coroner
= No Sheriff, Investigator
= No Lookout, Detective
= No Spy, Coroner

Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver

[J]

Awesome, love that things are being implemented and updated now ^_^

[creedkingsx]

Basic and Advanced were completely scrapped. They don't exist anymore.